next generation Windows

[Jamaika]

I am wondering about the new generation of Windows. As a third world person, I am curious how expensive the new Windows will be for future programmers and users. Windows for Business. So will the others be forced to log in to the Microsoft cloud to log in? Will the user need internet to pay for Windows?
I have an old computer. What class of computer will be recommended for the next generation of Windows? Will my activities and data on Windows itself be collected in huge database?

https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/2/22465126/microsoft-windows-event-june-24th

[GMJCZP]

IMO, I think it is irritating that Microsoft every time it launches a new product, to attract attention, brings "improvements" that what they do is bring problems to users, then protests come, that if you have to re-age the button startup, etc. History will repeat itself, they said that W 10 was going to be the last Windows but business is business, they will say, today we will add an X, tomorrow a .number and so on...

[Ghitulescu]

Nobody is forced to get the new windows if nobody wants it.
One of my computers stil runs W98SE and feel happy - it's the music computer. The video computer still runs XP, the tablet w2k.

Funny is that people always complain about the new version of windows and praise the older - people that praise todays XP probably cursed it in 2001 and claimed w2k was the best. Probably w10 will also get some laurels in 10 years from now :)

[wswartzendruber]

As far as I am concerned, Windows 2000 has yet to be beaten.

[wonkey_monkey]

Nobody is forced to get the new windows if nobody wants it.

You say that, but a lot of people ended up with Windows 10 when they weren't expecting it. Microsoft didn't exactly go out of their way to get user consent for that upgrade.

[Katie Boundary]

Windows has been getting worse for a VERY long time.

Windows 1.0 through 2000 were usable right out of the box with no adjustments whatsoever.

WinXP required about 2 minutes of minor tweaking to be usable (going back to win95-style start menu etc.)

Vista required significantly more tweaking to be usable (disabling UAC, taking ownership of the "Program Files" directory etc.) but could still be made usable with no third-party software.

Win7 required not only the same amount of tweaking as Vista, but also the third-party (but FOSS) program Classic Shell.

Win10 has been out for 6 years and the arseholes at the Win Classic boards are still trying to figure out how to make it usable. The best bet seems to be a third-party, paid, closed-source program called Windowblinds (in addition to Classic Shell and the aforementioned amount of tweaking).

"Windows 11 AM" is going to be anal rape.

[Atak_Snajpera]

Plot Twist: New windows will be called "Windows"

badabum tsssss...

[feisty2]

microsoft no longer puts much effort into consumer software, their main source of income is now cloud computing and productivity stuff (https://www.investopedia.com/how-microsoft-makes-money-4798809), that kinda explains why recent versions of windows totally suck.

[FranceBB]

microsoft no longer puts much effort into consumer software, their main source of income is now cloud computing and productivity stuff (https://www.investopedia.com/how-microsoft-makes-money-4798809), that kinda explains why recent versions of windows totally suck.

I totally agree.
They've been much more focused on stuff like Azure, Office 365 with its cloud services etc that they barely worked on Windows. It's funny though how Microsoft said that Windows 10 was going to be their last OS in 2015 only to be like "oh, we changed our minds" 6 years later...

[feisty2]

It's funny though how Microsoft said that Windows 10 was going to be their last OS in 2015 only to be like "oh, we changed our minds" 6 years later...

win10 is basically longhorn 2.0, a junk pile of half cooked ideas and inconsistencies everywhere. this "next generation" is apparently longhorn reset 2.0, it seems they had not learned their lesson after all these years

[StainlessS]

I'm sure that next gen windows will be every bit as good as Windows 10.

[kolak]

MS has simply no clue what to do next. Lack of ideas and innovation.
Win10 is some strange mix of old crap and new (not always good) ideas. At least it's fairly stable (unless you get an auto update which breaks everything :) )

[StainlessS]

The very best and most sensible thing M$ could do next is to fix all of the problems in W10.
Windows is not the latest app, it is [an OS] supposed to provide a stable common code interface to service
other software, not to replace other software, and ideally not constantly changing.
Fix all of the bugs and remove the spyware, that would make me happy
[we dont not need no new features that dont work well, the we got oodles that dont work well already].

EDIT: I tried to find a clip of billionaire media mogul [Jonathan Pryce], in [James bond] "Tomorrow Never Dies",
being told, somthing like
Our new software is riddled with bugs, users will be forced to upgrade for years to come.
and the billionaire Pryce character say something like "Good", or maybe "Execllent!" [EDIT: Actually "Outstanding!"].
[There's a message or comment in there somewhere]

EDIT: Here, @ approx 1:30 onwards:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nBZ-u1ilBI

[Emulgator]

Tron: Legacy
Alan: "Excuse me."
Encom CEO: "Yesss, Alan."
Alan: "Given the prices that we charge to students, schools:
What sort of improvements have we made in Flynn... I mean Encom OS 12 ?
Encom CEO: "This year we put a "12" on the box." (Laughter from his crowd)

[Katie Boundary]

Tron: Legacy
"Excuse me."
"Yesss, Alan."
"Given the prices that we charge to students, schools, what sort of improvements have we made in Flynn... I mean Encom OS 12?"
Encom guy: "This year we put a 12 on the box."
(Laughter from his crowd)

The character was joking, of course. The Dillinger guy then explains that they actually made a bunch of stability and security improvements.

I f**king love that movie.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Microsoft to end Windows 10 support on October 14th, 2025 (https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/14/22533018/microsoft-windows-10-end-support-date)

[guest]

Can't wait, bring it on :)

And just after posting this, I found this, so I'm going to have a look for myself...

Ooop's sorry 'bout that, I don't read the rule's, as a rule :)

Anyway, there's a "Genuine" Insider Preview to play with, now.....

[StainlessS]

Windows 11 images leak online…and look much like Windows 10:-
https://metro.co.uk/2021/06/16/windows-11-images-leak-online-and-look-much-like-windows-10-14780463/

Free and Optional Upgrade:-
https://www.windowslatest.com/2021/06/05/windows-10-successor-will-ship-with-massive-scheduling-updates/

Lucky us.

EDIT: This must be that World Wide Web, that I've heard about:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0LJKdCq6a8

Windows 11 Leaked - Let's Explore It! (Build 21996.1 Overview & Demo):-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni2Bl6O07nA

[wswartzendruber]

Windows 11 images leak online…and look much like Windows 10:-
https://metro.co.uk/2021/06/16/windows-11-images-leak-online-and-look-much-like-windows-10-14780463/

Free and Optional Upgrade:-
https://www.windowslatest.com/2021/06/05/windows-10-successor-will-ship-with-massive-scheduling-updates/

Lucky us.

EDIT: This must be that World Wide Web, that I've heard about:-
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldnews/15292400/spiders-flee-floods-and-more-rain-on-way/

If it's free, they'll likely use it as a marketing platform to cram services down our throats.

[FranceBB]

If it's free, they'll likely use it as a marketing platform to cram services down our throats.

Yeah, like they've done with the stupid weather widget I've got in the last Windows 10 update...
The worse part is that they turned it on by default...

[Asmodian]

Every version there is a new thing I need to turn off with extreme prejudice.

Disabling all the gpedit turn off web search settings so you now have to edit the registry was bizarre. It was too easy, but looking up the registry key to add manually on Google is enough harder to make a difference? Does anyone really want web results when searching the start menu in the first place? :p

[wswartzendruber]

Yeah, like they've done with the stupid weather widget I've got in the last Windows 10 update...
The worse part is that they turned it on by default...
Yeah, I noticed that as well.

[huhn]

does the windows start search ever work properly i mean i have totally given up on it. it worked fine on 7. i'm still unable to understand of it is even possible to mess it up this bad.

well what ever this win 11 just look like another change for the sake of change.

[SeeMoreDigital]

does the windows start search ever work properly i mean i have totally given up on it. it worked fine on 7...
Indeed...

[clsid]

I tried the leaked Win11 build. The changes are mostly GUI related. Rounded corners, new icons, etc. It is a small step in the right direction.

A quick look at the multimedia related stuff indicated no changes to the included DirectShow and Media Foundation codecs. WMP is also still included.

[Liisachan]

I have no hard feelings toward Microsoft, but I wonder how much time has been wasted in the world and how much productivity has been damaged because of post-2000 Windows OSes - e.g. forced updates, suddenly rebooting without saving files, increasingly confusing GUI changes (change for change's sake), weird workarounds Windows programmers have to do... The only way we can be really free (as in freedom) seems to be switching to Linux, and virtualizing Windows to use Windows programs. I don't think many people really need this OS itself; they're just "trapped" here because they need some tools written for Windows.

[Katie Boundary]

I don't think many people really need this OS itself; they're just "trapped" here because they need some tools written for Windows.

Yup. If there was another OS that ran Windows programs (like ReactOS if they ever finish it), would anyone ever use Windows?

[garrybrown]

Great solution for software engineers. The final factor to consider when determining the cost of the software product depends on how much customization is required by https://mlsdev.com/services/software-testing. If the business needs very little customization, it is likely that it will save money to build the solution from scratch. However, the more customized the solution, the more it will cost. For instance, if the app is going to help a medical office run more efficiently, it will require more sophisticated database integration and possibly better technical capabilities.

[wswartzendruber]

Great solution for software engineers.

How so?

[StainlessS]

How so?
My thoughts too, and solution to what ? [Interface between software and hardware, ie OS ???]

[SeeMoreDigital]

Have any of you guys run the Windows 11 Compatibility Checker' (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11) yet?

My 3-year old Dell laptop is not compatible. But annoyingly, Microsoft don't issue any (detailed) information as to why it's not!!!

[StainlessS]

Seems TPM 2.0 is a requirement, as is Internet connection [so not offline, although that may be for install only],
and seems a Webcam is also necessary, cant think why. [maybe extending the built-in spyware].

Download PC Health Check:- https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/windowsreport.com/pc-health-check-app-windows-11/%3famp

I aint gonna even bother, cant see why I might want it.

Find Windows 11 specs, features and computer requirements:- https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/windows-11-specifications

[stax76]

I'm having my taskbar on the left side, so I have more vertical space for internet browsing and coding. I read that it's not possible to have the task bar on the left side in Windows 11, very disappointing.

[huhn]

wow that's disappointing if true...
i have mine on the right site since forever.

and i don't meet the system requirements for win 11 too.

my 5600x with a 5700 XT 32 gb ram is just to old i understand.

[Asmodian]

my 5600x with a 5700 XT 32 gb ram is just to old i understand.

What is your system missing? TPM defaulted to disabled on my system but after I enabled fTPM in the UEFI it says "This PC can run Windows 11".

[huhn]

it doesn't tell you could easily be this.

i mean telling you what you are missing would be useful.

[feisty2]

still no glass effect for win32 programs, meh.

[Jamaika]

They installed the latest add-on in my corporation. It has separate icons for installation. Icons changed, but the company deleted Microsoft Edge in favor of google to keep the old servers running.
My computer password is changing and here is the problem. It has to be long and completely different from the last 20. If someone forgets, he calls the IT company all day long.
Is someone spying on me?
Readed all e-mails, pages viewed, time spent moving the cursor, etc.

[StainlessS]

Here, this guy gets his mother to test out the new W11 [She likes it].
Mum Tries Out Leaked Windows 11 Build 21996.1 (2021):- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDiVCuGqvMc
(you can move start menu to LHS, once activated).
And,
Diana [mum] Tries Out Operating Systems:- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJflZpGZ5PF__9GY_GP5bQZlCL19ugHO8
Many OS's tested, incl the most mum hated W8 OS. [Mum tries out Windows 8 (2012), I love this one ] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ujmDrcKWo8&list=PLJflZpGZ5PF__9GY_GP5bQZlCL19ugHO8&index=73
A well planned out and executed series by the guy, with mum the unsuspecting un-forewarned but outspoken [at times] reviewer.

And here,
Installing Windows 11 on "Unsupported" Hardware!:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rDJyMXbPdE
Installed without TPM 2.0, and only 1GB RAM on Core Duo laptop. [requires some setup ISO mods].

High disk usage makes difficult to use on 5400RPM physical drive, 100% disk usage, probably down to high number of Page Faults (low RAM, high pagefile usage),
He Installs SSD and most probs disappear.

Worth a watch.

[Liisachan]

Seems TPM 2.0 is a requirement, as is Internet connection [so not offline, although that may be for install only],
and seems a Webcam is also necessary, cant think why. [maybe extending the built-in spyware]. It's so creepy. Perhaps recent news like this is related? EU data protection authorities call for ban on facial recognition (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=EU+data+protection+authorities+call+for+ban+on+facial+recognition&t=h_&ia=web)

[filler56789]

Here, this guy gets his mother to test out the new W11 [She likes it].
Mum Tries Out Leaked Windows 11 Build 21996.1 (2021):- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDiVCuGqvMc
(you can move start menu to LHS, once activated).
And,
Diana [mum] Tries Out Operating Systems:- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJflZpGZ5PF__9GY_GP5bQZlCL19ugHO8
Many OS's tested, incl the most mum hated W8 OS. [Mum tries out Windows 8 (2012), I love this one ] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ujmDrcKWo8&list=PLJflZpGZ5PF__9GY_GP5bQZlCL19ugHO8&index=73
A well planned out and executed series by the guy, with mum the unsuspecting un-forewarned but outspoken [at times] reviewer.

And here,
Installing Windows 11 on "Unsupported" Hardware!:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rDJyMXbPdE
Installed without TPM 2.0, and only 1GB RAM on Core Duo laptop. [requires some setup ISO mods].

High disk usage makes difficult to use on 5400RPM physical drive, 100% disk usage, probably down to high number of Page Faults (low RAM, high pagefile usage),
He Installs SSD and most probs disappear.

Worth a watch.
:goodpost: and :thanks:

[GMJCZP]

Here, this guy gets his mother to test out the new W11 [She likes it].
Mum Tries Out Leaked Windows 11 Build 21996.1 (2021):- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDiVCuGqvMc
(you can move start menu to LHS, once activated).
And,
Diana [mum] Tries Out Operating Systems:- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJflZpGZ5PF__9GY_GP5bQZlCL19ugHO8
Many OS's tested, incl the most mum hated W8 OS. [Mum tries out Windows 8 (2012), I love this one ] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ujmDrcKWo8&list=PLJflZpGZ5PF__9GY_GP5bQZlCL19ugHO8&index=73
A well planned out and executed series by the guy, with mum the unsuspecting un-forewarned but outspoken [at times] reviewer.

And here,
Installing Windows 11 on "Unsupported" Hardware!:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rDJyMXbPdE
Installed without TPM 2.0, and only 1GB RAM on Core Duo laptop. [requires some setup ISO mods].

High disk usage makes difficult to use on 5400RPM physical drive, 100% disk usage, probably down to high number of Page Faults (low RAM, high pagefile usage),
He Installs SSD and most probs disappear.

Worth a watch.

Thank you very much TinMan for such hopeful news for those of us with old hardware.
I have problems with the internet and I cannot see all the videos, have you been able to create a 32-bit version?

[StainlessS]

have you been able to create a 32-bit version?
I have not tried W11 install myself, I guess I will when I have more time.
I dont think any future M$ windows is gonna be available in 32 bit.
It actually did not look that bad at all, maybe better than W10 [time will tell, hope they've fixed updates, and the spyware].

EDIT: And, Mum tries out Risc OS 3.11 (1992)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aX6EZFU_Ak&list=PLJflZpGZ5PF__9GY_GP5bQZlCL19ugHO8&index=38
Risc OS 3.11 from the Acorn A5000 [later version of BBC/Acorn Archimedes, both running ARM processors]
Seems that neither Windows nor MAC were first with a Taskbar. [EDIT: Actually, Window 1.0-ish had then discarded a taskbar]
(If I remember correctly, [1987+] Archimedes Desktop GUI was written in BASIC, dont know bout the A5000).

[feisty2]

my desktop computer is not a cell phone and I don't need to run shitty android apps on it.
it is clear that, for consumer versions of windows, win7 is the last appropriate desktop OS.
the next version of windows for my desktop will be server 2022

[Liisachan]

I'm still on win7 too. I heard, though, "Windows 10 Enterprise" is not bad, essentially a improved version of Win7. Not sure if that is true, though.

[wonkey_monkey]

my desktop computer is not a cell phone and I don't need to run shitty android apps on it.

Then... don't?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Installing Windows 11 on "Unsupported" Hardware!:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rDJyMXbPdE
Installed without TPM 2.0, and only 1GB RAM on Core Duo laptop. [requires some setup ISO mods].

Now that "is" interesting... :)

[feisty2]

Then... don't?

the fact that you can run android apps on win11 implies that the system is more or less skewed towards portable devices, which is something I absolutely don't want for my desktop computer. I want the best possible desktop experience, with zero amount of that low end tablet/cell phone bullshit.

[wonkey_monkey]

It's not skewing towards portable devices any more than the introduction of WSL means they're skewing towards Linux. Windows has always had dozens of features that a lot of people aren't going to use - it's had a whole bunch of tablet and handwriting features since Windows 7, but that doesn't mean they're going to stop supporting keyboards.

[feisty2]

I'm still on win7 too. I heard, though, "Windows 10 Enterprise" is not bad, essentially a improved version of Win7. Not sure if that is true, though.

all versions of windows after win7 are bullshit, because they mutilated aero glass

[feisty2]

It's not skewing towards portable devices any more than the introduction of WSL means they're skewing towards Linux. Windows has always had dozens of features that a lot of people aren't going to use - it's had a whole bunch of tablet and handwriting features since Windows 7, but that doesn't mean they're going to stop supporting keyboards.

that's not true, they mutilated aero glass in win8 because they want the system to run on shitty arm-based tablets, and those tablets are simply not powerful enough for the aero effects.

[wonkey_monkey]

I spend more time looking at what's inside my windows than at their borders so I can't say I've missed Aero Glass in the slightest - I'd rather my computer, even if it's powerful, wasn't wasting energy on special effects. Fashion was already trending toward cleaner simplicity anyway, and nothing of actual consequence was lost. If you really miss it that much there are plenty of ways to get something similar back.

[feisty2]

again, simplicity != shabby. you can get a perfect minimalism look with glassy/translucency effects. take a look at macOS. windows without glassy effects is just shabby.

[Atak_Snajpera]

that's not true, they mutilated aero glass in win8 because they want the system to run on shitty arm-based tablets, and those tablets are simply not powerful enough for the aero effects.

Really? Aero glass ran extremely well even on my Acer Aspire 5020 from 2005 (Vista and the 7)
http://www.notebookreview.com/notebookreview/acer-aspire-5020-review-pics-specs/

You just needed any GPU with pixel shader 2.0 and done. It was a lie that aero glass was heavy. In fact dragging window was much much smoother than in basic mode which used CPU for rendering UI.

[StainlessS]

And as Marv in Sin City says, "Modern Cars - they all look like electric razors".
Can say the same about modern GUI's and that naff translucency stuff, I dont really like the W11 rounded corners either.

However on W10, I kinda switched to liking Classic Smoked Glass[with dark mode and BLACK background] in Open Shell Menu (new fork of the deceased Classic Shell), which is a bit artsy fartsy really,
[I'm feelin' slightly embarrassed at admitting that, but young master Feisty is proud to say it out aloud - hate all that woke stuff].

[feisty2]

Really? Aero glass ran extremely well even on my Acer Aspire 5020 from 2005 (Vista and the 7)
http://www.notebookreview.com/notebookreview/acer-aspire-5020-review-pics-specs/

You just needed any GPU with pixel shader 2.0 and done. It was a lie that aero glass was heavy. In fact dragging window was much much smoother than in basic mode which used CPU for rendering UI.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/390ftc/the_true_reason_behind_aero_glasss_removal_from_a/

[wswartzendruber]

Really? Aero glass ran extremely well even on my Acer Aspire 5020 from 2005 (Vista and the 7)
http://www.notebookreview.com/notebookreview/acer-aspire-5020-review-pics-specs/

You just needed any GPU with pixel shader 2.0 and done. It was a lie that aero glass was heavy. In fact dragging window was much much smoother than in basic mode which used CPU for rendering UI.
Yeah, my Intel GMA 950 ran fine with Aero Glass.

I never did figure out why they got rid of it.

[FranceBB]

There are rumours saying that, Intel-wise, will only run on 8th Gen or newer CPU. My CPU is a Skylake from 2016, so 6th Gen, does it mean that I'm gonna be screwed and I'm gonna have to stick with Windows 10 forever?
That would be rather disappointing...

[StainlessS]

Installing Windows 11 on "Unsupported" Hardware!:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rDJyMXbPdE
Installed without TPM 2.0, and only 1GB RAM on Core Duo laptop. [requires some setup ISO mods].

High disk usage makes difficult to use on 5400RPM physical drive, 100% disk usage, probably down to high number of Page Faults (low RAM, high pagefile usage),
He Installs SSD and most probs disappear.
The above link gives the impression that any 8th Gen requirement is only enforced by the setup ISO,
the ISO mod to make it work with Core Duo, just replaces a lot of the installer with the W10 ISO installer code,
so circumventing it thowing a wobbler when you dont have recent hardware - but still currently seemingly works fine on Core Duo.
It is of course possible that any updates may assume/require certain instructions [or capabilities] are valid eg AVX2, AVX512,
which are not present on Core Duo.
[So may work right now, but cease to work at some future point when updated, its also possible that some untested OS components
also do not work at all right now].

Also, recent problem for Western Digital owners, "WD MyBook Live" devices are being targetted by hackers,
doing a factory reset on the drive and losing all data.

‘I’m totally screwed’ – people’s hard drives are being remotely erased by hackers
https://metro.co.uk/2021/06/28/im-totally-screwed-peoples-hard-drives-remotely-erased-by-hackers-14837623/

Western Digital drives remotely wiped: What experts say to do now
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.slashgear.com/western-digital-drives-remotely-wiped-what-experts-say-to-do-now-26680074/amp/

From Western Digital:-
‘At this time, we are recommending that customers disconnect their My Book Live devices from the Internet to protect their data on the device.

EDIT:
If you own a Western Digital My Book Live NAS, then you should make sure that remote access is not enabled. You can do this in the device settings menu.

EDIT: To Below, luckily, I dont got one.

[GMJCZP]

Western Digital drives remotely wiped: What experts say to do now
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.slashgear.com/western-digital-drives-remotely-wiped-what-experts-say-to-do-now-26680074/amp/

From Western Digital:-


There are people who control HDDs remotely and at least for Kaspersky people it represents a vulnerability, this situation can be corrected with the Avz Antiviral Toolkit.

[Katie Boundary]

My CPU is a Skylake from 2016, so 6th Gen, does it mean that I'm gonna be screwed and I'm gonna have to stick with Windows 7 forever?
That would be rather awesome

Fixed that for you.

[huhn]

wow windows "11" real disappointment.

usually the majority get features they don't want and don't use like the metro surface in win 8 and such. but this is just a down grade...

show desktop need a right click followed by a left click even through the surface is still there.
the taskbar is nailed to the bottom no way around. why?
there seems to be no way to see the name of an open program in the taskbar.
right click on the taskbar just reveals taskbar settings that's all you will still find most of the stuff by right clicking the start button but cool...

and that's just the stuff i notice immediately and i don't see anything i gain for the functionally loss. that's just bad.

there is also good stuff they finally cleaning up old win 7 settings at least a bit. it's now possible to change the refreshrate without a ton sub menus.

if a youtube video runs in a browser you can stop playback in windows by clicking on the audio icon it even knows the name of the youtube video this does not work with mpc-hc. if you can't find the tab with the youtube video on the fast this is a very reliable alternative. very niche but nice.

the search is as useful as always.
the tray icons are now always shown so i could not find an option to change that so i typed it in and nothing a web search that with the first result telling me how to do that on win 10.

the search in the settings has no results too so i guess gone?

[FranceBB]

Fixed that for you.

Well in this case...

https://i.imgur.com/TqNU3t4.png

[wswartzendruber]

Is the legacy Control Panel still there?

[feisty2]

microsoft has been slowly removing things from the control panel, even if it's still there

[guest]

Yes, there is now more annoying ways to get to the menu's & item's, just double or triple the mouse clicks, instead of one :(

I am running the Insider preview, and I hope they fine tune a LOT before "final" release.

[garrybrown]

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[feisty2]

a lot of glassy UI elements have been introduced in the latest build of win11, file explorer, ms edge, etc.
I suppose that's a good sign?

[feisty2]

translucent file explorer (title bar)
https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/win11_dark_mode.jpg

translucent ms edge (title bar, menu)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E536vK2VEAErZup?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[wswartzendruber]

a lot of glassy UI elements have been introduced in the latest build of win11, file explorer, ms edge, etc.
I suppose that's a good sign?
The original Aero Glass was amazing. I can't figure out why they ever got rid of it.

[feisty2]

I think microsoft should make them even glassier tho. I like the design of the settings app in win11, it is completely transparent, everything is displayed on a glass pane.
https://www.windowslatest.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Windows-Settings-app.jpg

file explorer and ms edge could look more like that in the final release.

[feisty2]

The original Aero Glass was amazing. I can't figure out why they ever got rid of it.

see #56 (http://forum.doom9.net/showthread.php?p=1946263#post1946263)

[Konrad Klar]

The original Aero Glass was amazing. I can't figure out why they ever got rid of it.

I think that Microsoft wanted to push users toward using Metro/ModernUI apps and in consequence toward buying in Windows/Microsoft Store.
And disfiguring of traditional programs was one of means.

The changes in UI done in Windows 8 did not aim to met the expectations of consumers. They served a purpose of breeding them as clients of Windows/Microsoft Store.

[j7n]

Funny is that people always complain about the new version of windows and praise the older - people that praise todays XP probably cursed it in 2001 and claimed w2k was the best. Probably w10 will also get some laurels in 10 years from now
Windows gets worse as time passes: larger, more restricted, more consumer orientated. People get used to it. Microsoft takes the little finger, then the whole hand. The best compromise is the oldest version that can still function with our applications.

But there is another class of people, conditioned by manufactuers of planned obsolescence, who accept everything new by default and claim the new product is great (clean, streamlined) before testing it. Some will say you're a fool and compromising everyone's security by not running bleeding edge software and allowing viruses to spread. They function as free advertising and making millions for Moderna Microsoft.

[Asmodian]

But there is another class of people, conditioned by manufactuers of planned obsolescence, who accept everything new by default and claim the new product is great (clean, streamlined) before testing it.

And there is another class of people who don't like change and will always claim that the new version is worse without ever honestly evaluating it.

Random attacks on your ability to evaluate your experience for yourself aren't very to convincing, are they? :rolleyes:

The first OS I really got used to was DOS 5.0 and I still have a soft spot for DOS 6.22. There have been ups and downs over the years, but generally I would say the newer the OS the better. Not in all ways, and it hasn't all been smooth forward progress, but newer is generally better. Humans have gotten better at software and the hardware has changed a lot.

I haven't tried Win 11 yet. I will wait to give my opinion until I have. ;)

Some will say you're a fool and compromising everyone's security by not running bleeding edge software and allowing viruses to spread. They function as free advertising and making millions for Moderna Microsoft.

Are you saying users running unpatched machines is not a vector for the spread of malware or that bot-nets aren't really a thing?

I don't get it, what is your argument?

You really should be running a current Linux kernel too, so I am not sure how Microsoft is getting free advertising in the security discussion. Better up to date than not, so I suppose that involves recommending an OS that receives security updates, but that has nothing to do with Microsoft particularly. That will always be true of any OS given humans and what our software is.

Odd to put an anti-vax reference in there. Why was Moderna singled out? You suspect issues with nano-particle stability at such high temperatures, or what? :o