next generation Windows

[Jamaika]

I am wondering about the new generation of Windows. As a third world person, I am curious how expensive the new Windows will be for future programmers and users. Windows for Business. So will the others be forced to log in to the Microsoft cloud to log in? Will the user need internet to pay for Windows?
I have an old computer. What class of computer will be recommended for the next generation of Windows? Will my activities and data on Windows itself be collected in huge database?

https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/2/22465126/microsoft-windows-event-june-24th

[GMJCZP]

IMO, I think it is irritating that Microsoft every time it launches a new product, to attract attention, brings "improvements" that what they do is bring problems to users, then protests come, that if you have to re-age the button startup, etc. History will repeat itself, they said that W 10 was going to be the last Windows but business is business, they will say, today we will add an X, tomorrow a .number and so on...

[Ghitulescu]

Nobody is forced to get the new windows if nobody wants it.
One of my computers stil runs W98SE and feel happy - it's the music computer. The video computer still runs XP, the tablet w2k.

Funny is that people always complain about the new version of windows and praise the older - people that praise todays XP probably cursed it in 2001 and claimed w2k was the best. Probably w10 will also get some laurels in 10 years from now :)

[wswartzendruber]

As far as I am concerned, Windows 2000 has yet to be beaten.

[wonkey_monkey]

Nobody is forced to get the new windows if nobody wants it.

You say that, but a lot of people ended up with Windows 10 when they weren't expecting it. Microsoft didn't exactly go out of their way to get user consent for that upgrade.

[Katie Boundary]

Windows has been getting worse for a VERY long time.

Windows 1.0 through 2000 were usable right out of the box with no adjustments whatsoever.

WinXP required about 2 minutes of minor tweaking to be usable (going back to win95-style start menu etc.)

Vista required significantly more tweaking to be usable (disabling UAC, taking ownership of the "Program Files" directory etc.) but could still be made usable with no third-party software.

Win7 required not only the same amount of tweaking as Vista, but also the third-party (but FOSS) program Classic Shell.

Win10 has been out for 6 years and the arseholes at the Win Classic boards are still trying to figure out how to make it usable. The best bet seems to be a third-party, paid, closed-source program called Windowblinds (in addition to Classic Shell and the aforementioned amount of tweaking).

"Windows 11 AM" is going to be anal rape.

[Atak_Snajpera]

Plot Twist: New windows will be called "Windows"

badabum tsssss...

[feisty2]

microsoft no longer puts much effort into consumer software, their main source of income is now cloud computing and productivity stuff (https://www.investopedia.com/how-microsoft-makes-money-4798809), that kinda explains why recent versions of windows totally suck.

[FranceBB]

microsoft no longer puts much effort into consumer software, their main source of income is now cloud computing and productivity stuff (https://www.investopedia.com/how-microsoft-makes-money-4798809), that kinda explains why recent versions of windows totally suck.

I totally agree.
They've been much more focused on stuff like Azure, Office 365 with its cloud services etc that they barely worked on Windows. It's funny though how Microsoft said that Windows 10 was going to be their last OS in 2015 only to be like "oh, we changed our minds" 6 years later...

[feisty2]

It's funny though how Microsoft said that Windows 10 was going to be their last OS in 2015 only to be like "oh, we changed our minds" 6 years later...

win10 is basically longhorn 2.0, a junk pile of half cooked ideas and inconsistencies everywhere. this "next generation" is apparently longhorn reset 2.0, it seems they had not learned their lesson after all these years

[StainlessS]

I'm sure that next gen windows will be every bit as good as Windows 10.

[kolak]

MS has simply no clue what to do next. Lack of ideas and innovation.
Win10 is some strange mix of old crap and new (not always good) ideas. At least it's fairly stable (unless you get an auto update which breaks everything :) )

[StainlessS]

The very best and most sensible thing M$ could do next is to fix all of the problems in W10.
Windows is not the latest app, it is [an OS] supposed to provide a stable common code interface to service
other software, not to replace other software, and ideally not constantly changing.
Fix all of the bugs and remove the spyware, that would make me happy
[we dont not need no new features that dont work well, the we got oodles that dont work well already].

EDIT: I tried to find a clip of billionaire media mogul [Jonathan Pryce], in [James bond] "Tomorrow Never Dies",
being told, somthing like
Our new software is riddled with bugs, users will be forced to upgrade for years to come.
and the billionaire Pryce character say something like "Good", or maybe "Execllent!" [EDIT: Actually "Outstanding!"].
[There's a message or comment in there somewhere]

EDIT: Here, @ approx 1:30 onwards:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nBZ-u1ilBI

[Emulgator]

Tron: Legacy
Alan: "Excuse me."
Encom CEO: "Yesss, Alan."
Alan: "Given the prices that we charge to students, schools:
What sort of improvements have we made in Flynn... I mean Encom OS 12 ?
Encom CEO: "This year we put a "12" on the box." (Laughter from his crowd)

[Katie Boundary]

Tron: Legacy
"Excuse me."
"Yesss, Alan."
"Given the prices that we charge to students, schools, what sort of improvements have we made in Flynn... I mean Encom OS 12?"
Encom guy: "This year we put a 12 on the box."
(Laughter from his crowd)

The character was joking, of course. The Dillinger guy then explains that they actually made a bunch of stability and security improvements.

I f**king love that movie.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Microsoft to end Windows 10 support on October 14th, 2025 (https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/14/22533018/microsoft-windows-10-end-support-date)

[guest]

Can't wait, bring it on :)

And just after posting this, I found this, so I'm going to have a look for myself...

Ooop's sorry 'bout that, I don't read the rule's, as a rule :)

Anyway, there's a "Genuine" Insider Preview to play with, now.....

[StainlessS]

Windows 11 images leak online…and look much like Windows 10:-
https://metro.co.uk/2021/06/16/windows-11-images-leak-online-and-look-much-like-windows-10-14780463/

Free and Optional Upgrade:-
https://www.windowslatest.com/2021/06/05/windows-10-successor-will-ship-with-massive-scheduling-updates/

Lucky us.

EDIT: This must be that World Wide Web, that I've heard about:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0LJKdCq6a8

Windows 11 Leaked - Let's Explore It! (Build 21996.1 Overview & Demo):-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni2Bl6O07nA

[wswartzendruber]

Windows 11 images leak online…and look much like Windows 10:-
https://metro.co.uk/2021/06/16/windows-11-images-leak-online-and-look-much-like-windows-10-14780463/

Free and Optional Upgrade:-
https://www.windowslatest.com/2021/06/05/windows-10-successor-will-ship-with-massive-scheduling-updates/

Lucky us.

EDIT: This must be that World Wide Web, that I've heard about:-
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldnews/15292400/spiders-flee-floods-and-more-rain-on-way/

If it's free, they'll likely use it as a marketing platform to cram services down our throats.

[FranceBB]

If it's free, they'll likely use it as a marketing platform to cram services down our throats.

Yeah, like they've done with the stupid weather widget I've got in the last Windows 10 update...
The worse part is that they turned it on by default...

[Asmodian]

Every version there is a new thing I need to turn off with extreme prejudice.

Disabling all the gpedit turn off web search settings so you now have to edit the registry was bizarre. It was too easy, but looking up the registry key to add manually on Google is enough harder to make a difference? Does anyone really want web results when searching the start menu in the first place? :p

[wswartzendruber]

Yeah, like they've done with the stupid weather widget I've got in the last Windows 10 update...
The worse part is that they turned it on by default...
Yeah, I noticed that as well.

[huhn]

does the windows start search ever work properly i mean i have totally given up on it. it worked fine on 7. i'm still unable to understand of it is even possible to mess it up this bad.

well what ever this win 11 just look like another change for the sake of change.

[SeeMoreDigital]

does the windows start search ever work properly i mean i have totally given up on it. it worked fine on 7...
Indeed...

[clsid]

I tried the leaked Win11 build. The changes are mostly GUI related. Rounded corners, new icons, etc. It is a small step in the right direction.

A quick look at the multimedia related stuff indicated no changes to the included DirectShow and Media Foundation codecs. WMP is also still included.

[Liisachan]

I have no hard feelings toward Microsoft, but I wonder how much time has been wasted in the world and how much productivity has been damaged because of post-2000 Windows OSes - e.g. forced updates, suddenly rebooting without saving files, increasingly confusing GUI changes (change for change's sake), weird workarounds Windows programmers have to do... The only way we can be really free (as in freedom) seems to be switching to Linux, and virtualizing Windows to use Windows programs. I don't think many people really need this OS itself; they're just "trapped" here because they need some tools written for Windows.

[Katie Boundary]

I don't think many people really need this OS itself; they're just "trapped" here because they need some tools written for Windows.

Yup. If there was another OS that ran Windows programs (like ReactOS if they ever finish it), would anyone ever use Windows?

[garrybrown]

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[wswartzendruber]

Great solution for software engineers.

How so?

[StainlessS]

How so?
My thoughts too, and solution to what ? [Interface between software and hardware, ie OS ???]

[SeeMoreDigital]

Have any of you guys run the Windows 11 Compatibility Checker' (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11) yet?

My 3-year old Dell laptop is not compatible. But annoyingly, Microsoft don't issue any (detailed) information as to why it's not!!!

[StainlessS]

Seems TPM 2.0 is a requirement, as is Internet connection [so not offline, although that may be for install only],
and seems a Webcam is also necessary, cant think why. [maybe extending the built-in spyware].

Download PC Health Check:- https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/windowsreport.com/pc-health-check-app-windows-11/%3famp

I aint gonna even bother, cant see why I might want it.

Find Windows 11 specs, features and computer requirements:- https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/windows-11-specifications

[stax76]

I'm having my taskbar on the left side, so I have more vertical space for internet browsing and coding. I read that it's not possible to have the task bar on the left side in Windows 11, very disappointing.

[huhn]

wow that's disappointing if true...
i have mine on the right site since forever.

and i don't meet the system requirements for win 11 too.

my 5600x with a 5700 XT 32 gb ram is just to old i understand.

[Asmodian]

my 5600x with a 5700 XT 32 gb ram is just to old i understand.

What is your system missing? TPM defaulted to disabled on my system but after I enabled fTPM in the UEFI it says "This PC can run Windows 11".

[huhn]

it doesn't tell you could easily be this.

i mean telling you what you are missing would be useful.

[feisty2]

still no glass effect for win32 programs, meh.

[Jamaika]

They installed the latest add-on in my corporation. It has separate icons for installation. Icons changed, but the company deleted Microsoft Edge in favor of google to keep the old servers running.
My computer password is changing and here is the problem. It has to be long and completely different from the last 20. If someone forgets, he calls the IT company all day long.
Is someone spying on me?
Readed all e-mails, pages viewed, time spent moving the cursor, etc.

[StainlessS]

Here, this guy gets his mother to test out the new W11 [She likes it].
Mum Tries Out Leaked Windows 11 Build 21996.1 (2021):- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDiVCuGqvMc
(you can move start menu to LHS, once activated).
And,
Diana [mum] Tries Out Operating Systems:- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJflZpGZ5PF__9GY_GP5bQZlCL19ugHO8
Many OS's tested, incl the most mum hated W8 OS. [Mum tries out Windows 8 (2012), I love this one ] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ujmDrcKWo8&list=PLJflZpGZ5PF__9GY_GP5bQZlCL19ugHO8&index=73
A well planned out and executed series by the guy, with mum the unsuspecting un-forewarned but outspoken [at times] reviewer.

And here,
Installing Windows 11 on "Unsupported" Hardware!:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rDJyMXbPdE
Installed without TPM 2.0, and only 1GB RAM on Core Duo laptop. [requires some setup ISO mods].

High disk usage makes difficult to use on 5400RPM physical drive, 100% disk usage, probably down to high number of Page Faults (low RAM, high pagefile usage),
He Installs SSD and most probs disappear.

Worth a watch.

[Liisachan]

Seems TPM 2.0 is a requirement, as is Internet connection [so not offline, although that may be for install only],
and seems a Webcam is also necessary, cant think why. [maybe extending the built-in spyware]. It's so creepy. Perhaps recent news like this is related? EU data protection authorities call for ban on facial recognition (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=EU+data+protection+authorities+call+for+ban+on+facial+recognition&t=h_&ia=web)

[filler56789]

Here, this guy gets his mother to test out the new W11 [She likes it].
Mum Tries Out Leaked Windows 11 Build 21996.1 (2021):- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDiVCuGqvMc
(you can move start menu to LHS, once activated).
And,
Diana [mum] Tries Out Operating Systems:- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJflZpGZ5PF__9GY_GP5bQZlCL19ugHO8
Many OS's tested, incl the most mum hated W8 OS. [Mum tries out Windows 8 (2012), I love this one ] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ujmDrcKWo8&list=PLJflZpGZ5PF__9GY_GP5bQZlCL19ugHO8&index=73
A well planned out and executed series by the guy, with mum the unsuspecting un-forewarned but outspoken [at times] reviewer.

And here,
Installing Windows 11 on "Unsupported" Hardware!:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rDJyMXbPdE
Installed without TPM 2.0, and only 1GB RAM on Core Duo laptop. [requires some setup ISO mods].

High disk usage makes difficult to use on 5400RPM physical drive, 100% disk usage, probably down to high number of Page Faults (low RAM, high pagefile usage),
He Installs SSD and most probs disappear.

Worth a watch.
:goodpost: and :thanks:

[GMJCZP]

Here, this guy gets his mother to test out the new W11 [She likes it].
Mum Tries Out Leaked Windows 11 Build 21996.1 (2021):- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDiVCuGqvMc
(you can move start menu to LHS, once activated).
And,
Diana [mum] Tries Out Operating Systems:- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJflZpGZ5PF__9GY_GP5bQZlCL19ugHO8
Many OS's tested, incl the most mum hated W8 OS. [Mum tries out Windows 8 (2012), I love this one ] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ujmDrcKWo8&list=PLJflZpGZ5PF__9GY_GP5bQZlCL19ugHO8&index=73
A well planned out and executed series by the guy, with mum the unsuspecting un-forewarned but outspoken [at times] reviewer.

And here,
Installing Windows 11 on "Unsupported" Hardware!:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rDJyMXbPdE
Installed without TPM 2.0, and only 1GB RAM on Core Duo laptop. [requires some setup ISO mods].

High disk usage makes difficult to use on 5400RPM physical drive, 100% disk usage, probably down to high number of Page Faults (low RAM, high pagefile usage),
He Installs SSD and most probs disappear.

Worth a watch.

Thank you very much TinMan for such hopeful news for those of us with old hardware.
I have problems with the internet and I cannot see all the videos, have you been able to create a 32-bit version?

[StainlessS]

have you been able to create a 32-bit version?
I have not tried W11 install myself, I guess I will when I have more time.
I dont think any future M$ windows is gonna be available in 32 bit.
It actually did not look that bad at all, maybe better than W10 [time will tell, hope they've fixed updates, and the spyware].

EDIT: And, Mum tries out Risc OS 3.11 (1992)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aX6EZFU_Ak&list=PLJflZpGZ5PF__9GY_GP5bQZlCL19ugHO8&index=38
Risc OS 3.11 from the Acorn A5000 [later version of BBC/Acorn Archimedes, both running ARM processors]
Seems that neither Windows nor MAC were first with a Taskbar. [EDIT: Actually, Window 1.0-ish had then discarded a taskbar]
(If I remember correctly, [1987+] Archimedes Desktop GUI was written in BASIC, dont know bout the A5000).

[feisty2]

my desktop computer is not a cell phone and I don't need to run shitty android apps on it.
it is clear that, for consumer versions of windows, win7 is the last appropriate desktop OS.
the next version of windows for my desktop will be server 2022

[Liisachan]

I'm still on win7 too. I heard, though, "Windows 10 Enterprise" is not bad, essentially a improved version of Win7. Not sure if that is true, though.

[wonkey_monkey]

my desktop computer is not a cell phone and I don't need to run shitty android apps on it.

Then... don't?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Installing Windows 11 on "Unsupported" Hardware!:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rDJyMXbPdE
Installed without TPM 2.0, and only 1GB RAM on Core Duo laptop. [requires some setup ISO mods].

Now that "is" interesting... :)

[feisty2]

Then... don't?

the fact that you can run android apps on win11 implies that the system is more or less skewed towards portable devices, which is something I absolutely don't want for my desktop computer. I want the best possible desktop experience, with zero amount of that low end tablet/cell phone bullshit.

[wonkey_monkey]

It's not skewing towards portable devices any more than the introduction of WSL means they're skewing towards Linux. Windows has always had dozens of features that a lot of people aren't going to use - it's had a whole bunch of tablet and handwriting features since Windows 7, but that doesn't mean they're going to stop supporting keyboards.

[feisty2]

I'm still on win7 too. I heard, though, "Windows 10 Enterprise" is not bad, essentially a improved version of Win7. Not sure if that is true, though.

all versions of windows after win7 are bullshit, because they mutilated aero glass