next generation Windows

[feisty2]

It's not skewing towards portable devices any more than the introduction of WSL means they're skewing towards Linux. Windows has always had dozens of features that a lot of people aren't going to use - it's had a whole bunch of tablet and handwriting features since Windows 7, but that doesn't mean they're going to stop supporting keyboards.

that's not true, they mutilated aero glass in win8 because they want the system to run on shitty arm-based tablets, and those tablets are simply not powerful enough for the aero effects.

[wonkey_monkey]

I spend more time looking at what's inside my windows than at their borders so I can't say I've missed Aero Glass in the slightest - I'd rather my computer, even if it's powerful, wasn't wasting energy on special effects. Fashion was already trending toward cleaner simplicity anyway, and nothing of actual consequence was lost. If you really miss it that much there are plenty of ways to get something similar back.

[feisty2]

again, simplicity != shabby. you can get a perfect minimalism look with glassy/translucency effects. take a look at macOS. windows without glassy effects is just shabby.

[Atak_Snajpera]

that's not true, they mutilated aero glass in win8 because they want the system to run on shitty arm-based tablets, and those tablets are simply not powerful enough for the aero effects.

Really? Aero glass ran extremely well even on my Acer Aspire 5020 from 2005 (Vista and the 7)
http://www.notebookreview.com/notebookreview/acer-aspire-5020-review-pics-specs/

You just needed any GPU with pixel shader 2.0 and done. It was a lie that aero glass was heavy. In fact dragging window was much much smoother than in basic mode which used CPU for rendering UI.

[StainlessS]

And as Marv in Sin City says, "Modern Cars - they all look like electric razors".
Can say the same about modern GUI's and that naff translucency stuff, I dont really like the W11 rounded corners either.

However on W10, I kinda switched to liking Classic Smoked Glass[with dark mode and BLACK background] in Open Shell Menu (new fork of the deceased Classic Shell), which is a bit artsy fartsy really,
[I'm feelin' slightly embarrassed at admitting that, but young master Feisty is proud to say it out aloud - hate all that woke stuff].

[feisty2]

Really? Aero glass ran extremely well even on my Acer Aspire 5020 from 2005 (Vista and the 7)
http://www.notebookreview.com/notebookreview/acer-aspire-5020-review-pics-specs/

You just needed any GPU with pixel shader 2.0 and done. It was a lie that aero glass was heavy. In fact dragging window was much much smoother than in basic mode which used CPU for rendering UI.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/390ftc/the_true_reason_behind_aero_glasss_removal_from_a/

[wswartzendruber]

Really? Aero glass ran extremely well even on my Acer Aspire 5020 from 2005 (Vista and the 7)
http://www.notebookreview.com/notebookreview/acer-aspire-5020-review-pics-specs/

You just needed any GPU with pixel shader 2.0 and done. It was a lie that aero glass was heavy. In fact dragging window was much much smoother than in basic mode which used CPU for rendering UI.
Yeah, my Intel GMA 950 ran fine with Aero Glass.

I never did figure out why they got rid of it.

[FranceBB]

There are rumours saying that, Intel-wise, will only run on 8th Gen or newer CPU. My CPU is a Skylake from 2016, so 6th Gen, does it mean that I'm gonna be screwed and I'm gonna have to stick with Windows 10 forever?
That would be rather disappointing...

[StainlessS]

Installing Windows 11 on "Unsupported" Hardware!:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rDJyMXbPdE
Installed without TPM 2.0, and only 1GB RAM on Core Duo laptop. [requires some setup ISO mods].

High disk usage makes difficult to use on 5400RPM physical drive, 100% disk usage, probably down to high number of Page Faults (low RAM, high pagefile usage),
He Installs SSD and most probs disappear.
The above link gives the impression that any 8th Gen requirement is only enforced by the setup ISO,
the ISO mod to make it work with Core Duo, just replaces a lot of the installer with the W10 ISO installer code,
so circumventing it thowing a wobbler when you dont have recent hardware - but still currently seemingly works fine on Core Duo.
It is of course possible that any updates may assume/require certain instructions [or capabilities] are valid eg AVX2, AVX512,
which are not present on Core Duo.
[So may work right now, but cease to work at some future point when updated, its also possible that some untested OS components
also do not work at all right now].

Also, recent problem for Western Digital owners, "WD MyBook Live" devices are being targetted by hackers,
doing a factory reset on the drive and losing all data.

‘I’m totally screwed’ – people’s hard drives are being remotely erased by hackers
https://metro.co.uk/2021/06/28/im-totally-screwed-peoples-hard-drives-remotely-erased-by-hackers-14837623/

Western Digital drives remotely wiped: What experts say to do now
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.slashgear.com/western-digital-drives-remotely-wiped-what-experts-say-to-do-now-26680074/amp/

From Western Digital:-
‘At this time, we are recommending that customers disconnect their My Book Live devices from the Internet to protect their data on the device.

EDIT:
If you own a Western Digital My Book Live NAS, then you should make sure that remote access is not enabled. You can do this in the device settings menu.

EDIT: To Below, luckily, I dont got one.

[GMJCZP]

Western Digital drives remotely wiped: What experts say to do now
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.slashgear.com/western-digital-drives-remotely-wiped-what-experts-say-to-do-now-26680074/amp/

From Western Digital:-


There are people who control HDDs remotely and at least for Kaspersky people it represents a vulnerability, this situation can be corrected with the Avz Antiviral Toolkit.

[Katie Boundary]

My CPU is a Skylake from 2016, so 6th Gen, does it mean that I'm gonna be screwed and I'm gonna have to stick with Windows 7 forever?
That would be rather awesome

Fixed that for you.

[huhn]

wow windows "11" real disappointment.

usually the majority get features they don't want and don't use like the metro surface in win 8 and such. but this is just a down grade...

show desktop need a right click followed by a left click even through the surface is still there.
the taskbar is nailed to the bottom no way around. why?
there seems to be no way to see the name of an open program in the taskbar.
right click on the taskbar just reveals taskbar settings that's all you will still find most of the stuff by right clicking the start button but cool...

and that's just the stuff i notice immediately and i don't see anything i gain for the functionally loss. that's just bad.

there is also good stuff they finally cleaning up old win 7 settings at least a bit. it's now possible to change the refreshrate without a ton sub menus.

if a youtube video runs in a browser you can stop playback in windows by clicking on the audio icon it even knows the name of the youtube video this does not work with mpc-hc. if you can't find the tab with the youtube video on the fast this is a very reliable alternative. very niche but nice.

the search is as useful as always.
the tray icons are now always shown so i could not find an option to change that so i typed it in and nothing a web search that with the first result telling me how to do that on win 10.

the search in the settings has no results too so i guess gone?

[FranceBB]

Fixed that for you.

Well in this case...

https://i.imgur.com/TqNU3t4.png

[wswartzendruber]

Is the legacy Control Panel still there?

[feisty2]

microsoft has been slowly removing things from the control panel, even if it's still there

[guest]

Yes, there is now more annoying ways to get to the menu's & item's, just double or triple the mouse clicks, instead of one :(

I am running the Insider preview, and I hope they fine tune a LOT before "final" release.

[garrybrown]

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[feisty2]

a lot of glassy UI elements have been introduced in the latest build of win11, file explorer, ms edge, etc.
I suppose that's a good sign?

[feisty2]

translucent file explorer (title bar)
https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/win11_dark_mode.jpg

translucent ms edge (title bar, menu)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E536vK2VEAErZup?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[wswartzendruber]

a lot of glassy UI elements have been introduced in the latest build of win11, file explorer, ms edge, etc.
I suppose that's a good sign?
The original Aero Glass was amazing. I can't figure out why they ever got rid of it.

[feisty2]

I think microsoft should make them even glassier tho. I like the design of the settings app in win11, it is completely transparent, everything is displayed on a glass pane.
https://www.windowslatest.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Windows-Settings-app.jpg

file explorer and ms edge could look more like that in the final release.

[feisty2]

The original Aero Glass was amazing. I can't figure out why they ever got rid of it.

see #56 (http://forum.doom9.net/showthread.php?p=1946263#post1946263)

[Konrad Klar]

The original Aero Glass was amazing. I can't figure out why they ever got rid of it.

I think that Microsoft wanted to push users toward using Metro/ModernUI apps and in consequence toward buying in Windows/Microsoft Store.
And disfiguring of traditional programs was one of means.

The changes in UI done in Windows 8 did not aim to met the expectations of consumers. They served a purpose of breeding them as clients of Windows/Microsoft Store.

[j7n]

Funny is that people always complain about the new version of windows and praise the older - people that praise todays XP probably cursed it in 2001 and claimed w2k was the best. Probably w10 will also get some laurels in 10 years from now
Windows gets worse as time passes: larger, more restricted, more consumer orientated. People get used to it. Microsoft takes the little finger, then the whole hand. The best compromise is the oldest version that can still function with our applications.

But there is another class of people, conditioned by manufactuers of planned obsolescence, who accept everything new by default and claim the new product is great (clean, streamlined) before testing it. Some will say you're a fool and compromising everyone's security by not running bleeding edge software and allowing viruses to spread. They function as free advertising and making millions for Moderna Microsoft.

[Asmodian]

But there is another class of people, conditioned by manufactuers of planned obsolescence, who accept everything new by default and claim the new product is great (clean, streamlined) before testing it.

And there is another class of people who don't like change and will always claim that the new version is worse without ever honestly evaluating it.

Random attacks on your ability to evaluate your experience for yourself aren't very to convincing, are they? :rolleyes:

The first OS I really got used to was DOS 5.0 and I still have a soft spot for DOS 6.22. There have been ups and downs over the years, but generally I would say the newer the OS the better. Not in all ways, and it hasn't all been smooth forward progress, but newer is generally better. Humans have gotten better at software and the hardware has changed a lot.

I haven't tried Win 11 yet. I will wait to give my opinion until I have. ;)

Some will say you're a fool and compromising everyone's security by not running bleeding edge software and allowing viruses to spread. They function as free advertising and making millions for Moderna Microsoft.

Are you saying users running unpatched machines is not a vector for the spread of malware or that bot-nets aren't really a thing?

I don't get it, what is your argument?

You really should be running a current Linux kernel too, so I am not sure how Microsoft is getting free advertising in the security discussion. Better up to date than not, so I suppose that involves recommending an OS that receives security updates, but that has nothing to do with Microsoft particularly. That will always be true of any OS given humans and what our software is.

Odd to put an anti-vax reference in there. Why was Moderna singled out? You suspect issues with nano-particle stability at such high temperatures, or what? :o