New PC for BD-Rebuilder? [Archive]

Mark_Venture

15th June 2016, 21:01

Its time so I'm working out upgrading my old I7-860 with Asus P7P55D Deluxe board, 8 gig ram, etc.. to something newer.

As it stands, my current Rig is...
CPU: Intel Core i7-860 Lynnfield 2.8GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor w/Stock heatsink/fan
Motherboard: ASUS P7P55D Deluxe LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX
Memory: 8 gig DDR3 - Qty2 of Corsair XMS3 CMX4GX3M2A1600C8
Case: Antec Nine Hundred II case with Antec EarthWatts EA750 power supply
Power: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 04G-P4-3979-KB (4gig SSC ACX2.0)
Drives:
Qty 1 - 250gb Samsung 840 SSD
Qty 1 - 1Tb Western Digital Black SATA II - WD1001FALS
Qty 1 - 3Tb Western Digital Caviar Green 3 TB SATA III 64 MB - WD30EZRX
Qty 1 - 3Tb Western Digital Mainstream/Blue SATA III - WD30EZRZ
Qty 1 - 4Tb Western Digital Mainstream/Blue SATA III - WD40EZRZ
Lite-On SOHD-167T DVDrom
LG BH16NS40 BD-RW/DVD-RW

Currently running 64bit Win 7 Ultimate

Note: for all intents and purposes, the WD Blue drives have similar specs as the Green.. i.e. 5400rpm, intellipower, etc

New parts I'm looking at are...
Motherboard: Asus Z170-DELUXE
CPU: Intel Boxed Core I7-6700K
Heatsink/fan: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
Paste: Arctic Silver 5 AS5-3.5G Thermal Paste
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16GB (2x 8 GB) (Dual Channel Kit)
Case: Nanoxia Deep Silence 5 Rev. B Big Tower Case
Power supply: Seasonic X-850(SS-850KM3 Active PFC F3) 850W 80 Plus Gold *OR* Antec 750W 80-PLUS Gold

That being said, I'll bring all the drives over for now... EXCEPT, the 250Gig Samsung 840 which will be replaced by a 500Gig Samsung 850EVO. AND I want to replace the old WD 1TB Black with a new WD 3TB Black.

I'm working out the money (spent a little more during our Disney trip than expected)... so worst case, I'll just update Motherboard, CPU, heatsink/fan, and Memory for now, and the rest later.

I expect I'll load Win 10. I have six 2TB WD Green SATA3 drives left over from a previous raid setup that I was thinking of eventually adding in (hence the Z170-Deluxe w/many SATA ports, and the larger case that can hold all the drives). It might make a nice "striped storage pool" in Win 10 to use as for backup storage.

Should this setup....
1. Cause any issues with BD-Rebuilder?
2. Speed up my Alt Movie Only backups?

Anyone have any tips on optimizing the setup for BD-Rebuilder (mostly alt movie only, including 3D SBS)?

Is there anything I should look out for as I upgrade?

Thanks!

gonca

15th June 2016, 22:59

2. Speed up my Alt Movie Only backups?

CPU mainly and GPU a bit (DGDecNV) decodes using the graphics card
Also your settings in BD_RB matter
If your not maxing out your CPU then no
If you are maxing your CPU then yes

Mark_Venture

20th June 2016, 15:18

Also your settings in BD_RB matter
Any suggested settings? Or did you just mean if using DGDecNV?

gonca

20th June 2016, 21:50

Settings > x264 presets fast, medium, etc
x264 tweaks
Avisynth filters
these kind of settings

Your new set up will definitely be faster with same settings used
Your drives should not be a bottleneck, especially if you go for quality settings

Mark_Venture

29th June 2016, 14:47

Ok, so I've done some upgrades, for now... (just mother board, cpu, heatsink/fan and memory)

Currently my system is...

Motherboard: Asus Z170-DELUXE
CPU: Intel Boxed Core I7-6700K
Heatsink/fan: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
Paste: Arctic Silver 5 AS5-3.5G Thermal Paste
Memory: G.SKILL 16GB (2x 8GB) Ripjaws V Series DDR4 PC4-25600 3200MHz Model F4-3200C16D-16GVK
Case: Antec Nine Hundred II case
Power: Antec EarthWatts EA750
Power: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 04G-P4-3979-KB (4gig SSC ACX2.0)
Drives:
Qty 1 - 500gb Samsung 850 EVO SSD (for OS)
Qty 1 - 1Tb Western Digital Black SATA II - WD1001FALS
Qty 1 - 3Tb Western Digital Caviar Green 3 TB SATA III 64 MB - WD30EZRX
Qty 1 - 3Tb Western Digital Mainstream/Blue SATA III - WD30EZRZ
Qty 1 - 4Tb Western Digital Mainstream/Blue SATA III - WD40EZRZ
LG BH16NS40 BD-RW/DVD-RW

Currently running 64bit Win 7 Ultimate

I used Sysprep before replacing the parts, then booted Win 7 DVD, selected repair, opened a command prompt and pushed chipset/sata/usb3 drivers on... ( dism /image:c:\ /add-driver /Driver:X:\ /recurse ), then booted normally, and manually installed the remaining drivers. I'll do a fresh re-load of Win7 when I get some time to do it.

Using the exact same INI and settings for BD-Rebuilder, 2D bluray and 3D rebuilds have been nearly cut in half.

Example of a 2D... (source is folder stored on the 3TB Blue SataIII... work files on 1TB WD Black SataII)
Old Parts...
[11:50:25] Source: MISSION_IMPOSSIBLE_5_00800
[14:28:48] JOB: MISSION_IMPOSSIBLE_5 finished.
2 hours 38 minutes 23 seconds

New parts...
[09:53:57] Source: MISSION_IMPOSSIBLE_5_00800
[11:06:51] JOB: MISSION_IMPOSSIBLE_5 finished.
1 hours 12 minutes 54 seconds

Example of a 3D... (source is an ISO stored on the 3TB Blue SataIII, mounted with Virtual Clone Drive... work files on 1TB WD Black SataII)
Old Parts...
[21:54:50] Source: TRANSFORMERS_AGE_OF_EXTINCTION_00800
[02:05:42] JOB: TRANSFORMERS_AGE_OF_EXTINCTION finished.
4 hours 10 minutes 52 seconds

New Parts...
[07:23:51] Source: TRANSFORMERS_AGE_OF_EXTINCTION_00800
[09:31:32] JOB: TRANSFORMERS_AGE_OF_EXTINCTION finished.
2 hours 7 minutes 41 seconds

I've donated and got my license for DGDecNV so will be trying that. And I'll also be trying MULTIPROCESS=

Any other tips or tweaks?

[Options]
VERSION=0.50.0.14
ENCODER=0
MODE=3
ENCODE_QUALITY=1
ONEPASS_ENCODING=1
AUTO_QUALITY=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=eng;
SUBS_TO_KEEP=eng;
SD_CONVERT=0
OPEN_GOP=0
RESIZE_1080=0
RESIZE_1440=0
RESIZE_720=0
DEINTERLACE=1
SD_TO_1080=0
IGNORE_3D=0
CONVERT_WIDE=0
DTS_REENCODE=0
AC3_REENCODE=0
AC3_640=1
AC3_192=0
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=1
DECODER=0
AVCHD=1
REMOVE_WORKFILES=1
REMOVE_OUTPUT=0
USE_FILTERS=0
BDMV_CERT_ONLY=0
IVTC_PULLDOWN=0
ASSUME_DVD_PAL=0
FRIMSOURCE=0
COMPLETION_BEEP=0
OUTPUT_SBS=1
NEROAAC=0
SUPTITLE=1
AUDIO_TRACK_LIMIT=0
SUBTITLE_TRACK_LIMIT=0
CUSTOM_TARGET_SIZE=23500
PRIORITY_CLASS=0
TARGET_SIZE=23500
MOVIEONLY_TYPE=11
ALTCRF=20
ALT_TARGET=8096
ALTMETHOD=0
ALTAUTOCROP=0
QUICK_EXTRAS=1
AUDIO_DRC=0
PGSTOSRT=1
ALT_CRF_TARGET=1024

[Paths]
SupTitlePath=C:\Program Files (x86)\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\SupTitle.dll
SOURCE_PATH=O:\
WORKING_PATH=F:\BLURAY-WORKING\

RobertM

29th June 2016, 17:53

Mark_Venture

29th June 2016, 18:16

test with - Decoding/Frame serving: DGDecNV

[11:29:04] Source: MISSION_IMPOSSIBLE_5_00800
[12:35:49] JOB: MISSION_IMPOSSIBLE_5 finished.
1 hours 6 minutes 45 seconds

So I didn't save very much time there. Only about 6 minutes.

Mark_Venture

29th June 2016, 18:47

That's a pretty good speed increase. I run an i7-950, and always do high-quality, 2-pass encodes. It takes about 4hrs per encode. When you started this thread, I looked into the speed comparisons between the 860 and the 6700, and it looked like you might get about a twice the speed, so your results bear that out. I imagine that you're pretty happy with that.
I was using other options before, and it was slower. The settings (ini file) I posted gave me good enough results in a reasonable amount of time with my i7-860. (playback via Kodi on 1st and 2nd gen FireTV boxes). So I'll continue to use those settings with the new parts, unless someone can suggest something that helps further optimize my system to produce the same (video quality) results in less time.

I understand that times will vary with other Blurays, but this if this is any indication of what to expect, at least its a very good starting point.

I had waited a long time to finally do this upgrade. And yes, I'm very pleased with the results and my upgrade so far (only been a day since I got it together and running), especially the time reduction for doing 3D. While I don't do many 3D movies, its nice to see it will no longer take all night! (ok, it was like 5-6hrs per 3D movie, really it was most of the night). My i7-860 served me very well over these past 5.5+yrs. Eventually it will be dropped in place of the Q6700 setup that is now my media server.

I did have second thoughts after ordering everything, and seeing that Kaby Lake is coming later this year? and also seeing the 6800K... But I didn't want to wait, and the few articles I could find that show the 6700k on charts with 6800K for benchmarks don't show enough improvement in video encoding and stuff to justify the price differences to get what I want.

I do wish I was able to upgrade my old SATAII WD Black drive to a newer, bigger SATAIII Black, and get a new case and power supply (this case is a little cramped! especially with the size of this heatsink/fan), but house stuff and keeping the wife happy comes first :( So...maybe I'll get around to it later this summer.

RobertM

29th June 2016, 23:49

I know what you mean about the case. I've got a midsize Lian-Li case, which I still really like, but it's pretty full now (I think I have 6 drives in it).

From a performance standpoint, I have 2 of the drives (2TB each) in Raid0 configuration for the workfiles drive. This does speed things up a bit, but only a few minutes, really. Most of my encode time is spent with the processors running full-tilt.

And I really like the WD Black drives. I'm not sure how much better they are than anything else, but I had a 3.1/2 year old 1Tb drive fail a year or so ago, and they sent me a new 4TB Black drive as a warranty replacement. Needless to say, I was quite satisfied, and I'll stick with Blacks for now (other colours have shorter warranties).

Mark_Venture

30th June 2016, 02:21

with - Decoding/Frame serving: DGDecNV [4-way], MULTIPROCESS=1

[19:30:46] Source: MISSION_IMPOSSIBLE_5_00800
[20:42:13] JOB: MISSION_IMPOSSIBLE_5 finished.

1 hours 11 minutes 26 seconds

so no improvement. Looks like the only way to go faster would be to change my hard drives to SSD... or lower quality?

Either way, I'm happy.

gonca

1st July 2016, 22:01

SSDs might not speed it up
Not enough bytes/sec being read or written

jdobbs

1st July 2016, 22:52

I got an SSD drive for my video computer -- and then brought it back. The only noticable improvement I saw was in boot time -- and since I usually just put my computers to sleep (rather than turning them off) I was getting absolutely nothing out of it. I ran all kinds of tests. The access times shown by the benchmarks were all greatly improved and really impressive -- but none of the real work was getting done any faster. I couldn't see justifying that kind of expense just so my apps would load in .5 seconds instead of .6 seconds.

In fact, I even formatted it three times so I could try it on 3 different computers (I really wanted to keep it) -- none of them seemed to show anything worthwhile (other than boot times). I even ran BD Rebuilder with the the working folder on the SSD. That also resulted in a big nothing-burger.

gonca

1st July 2016, 23:41

I couldn't see justifying that kind of expense just so my apps would load in .5 seconds instead of .6 seconds.

Fortunately they came down in price, so I can have my .5 sec boot time
Seriously, SSDs are great IF you have apps that have high IO requirements

Ch3vr0n

16th July 2016, 19:50

So, my new rig setup is hardware wise complete, minus the GTX 1080 that's on pre-order and hasn't arrived yet.

Setup for "Project: Phoenix"

Chassis: Cooler Master Cosmos II (custom Airbrush)
PSU: Corsair 860 AXi
CPU: Core i7 6700k (currently at stock speeds, will likely be overclocked)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i v2
GPU: Asus Strix GTX 1080 (on pre-order)
MB: Asus Maximus VIII Formula
SSD: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB (v1, boot)
HDD1: HGST 7k4000 4TB
HDD2: Seagate ST2000DM001-1CH164 (2TB, storage)
HDD3: Samsung Spinpoint F1 (1TB, Temp drive)
HDD4: Seagate ST31000520AS (OS Backups drive, 5900rpm, pulled out of an external enclosure)
ODD1: LG BH16NS40
ODD2: LG BH10NS30
ODD3: LG DVDRAM GH20NS10
RAM: Corsair Dominator platinum 16GB ROG edition (currently at stock speeds, XMP to follow)
Sound1: Surround Logitech Z-906 (will be pulled out of storage)
Sound2: Corsair Void Wireless SE (yellow jacket)
Controller: Microsoft Xbox One Elite wireless controller (wireless transmitter on order)
Keyboard: Corsair K95 RGB
Mouse: Corsair M65 Pro RGB
Extra: NZXT IU01 (internal USB hub, 3x header + 2x full size port to hook up all the USB stuff)

Processing times: Old rig ran between 3-6hrs depending on the size of the disc, new rig: 40GB > BD25 in just over an hour

Try that one on for size. Should last me another 10+ years hopefully like the old rig :)

** edit and that's not counting 5TB (i think) across 3 external drives **

soneca

17th July 2016, 00:07

Chevron, excellent case, my pcs are mounted in two Haf 932 Advanced also Cooler Master. ;)
It seems to set up a PC to encode and play.

Mark_Venture

10th March 2017, 14:30

....
CPU: Core i7 6700k (currently at stock speeds, will likely be overclocked)...Its been a while and I'm curious...

Did you ever over clock? Did you notice any meaningful improvements by over clocking?

I haven't tried. I've just been using the Memory's XMP settings, but haven't tried anything with overclocking the CPU, etc.

I'm also curious if you see more gain using DGDecNV with the GTX 1080 card, compared to what I see with the GTX970.

Ch3vr0n

10th March 2017, 18:22

Well personally i never did, no experience with it. Couldn't find anyone close to help me through it and didn't want to risk a 2-3000€ system going "nuclear" by doing things i shouldn't be doing. OCer's i talked to stated that enabling XMP rarely leads to any real performance boosts. That's done by OCing the CPU/GPU. It's been a while since i used BDRB, as it mainly only supports SOFTWARE ENCODING (yeah i used DGDecEnv but that's DECODING ONLY). My main tool now is Elaborate Bytes "CloneBD", which supports Hardware Based ENCODING as well (on top of decoding)!!! Using that and my 1080 i shrink a fully occupied BD50 down to BD25 in 9-12 MINUTES!!! Perfect x264 quality :)

But for 3DBD BDRB is still my go-to tool!

Mark_Venture

10th March 2017, 19:11

There are some tools from Asus that will help with the over clocking the CPU, adjust voltage, etc. I've always worried about potential stability issues, and is my cooling adequate, so I'm chicken. I haven't over clocked since my '486 and Pentium days :D My EVGA video card also has some overclocking tools, but I've been running it stock as I didn't want to install even more apps.

I've purchased/used DVD Fab Bluray/DVD Ripper... yeah, its really fast (especially if my source is on a hard drive already), but I still come back to BD-Rebuilder because it seems to give me a sharper, better picture (Alt-Movie Only MKV), no matter how I setup DVDFab (rip to MKV). Its ok if I'm on a time crunch, but BD-Rebuilder's output has been more pleasing to my eyes. So for now, I've just been using DVDFab to rip my old TV series DVD's (seems to be a little easier for that), and some movie DVDs, since I still have a bunch I haven't done yet.

Ch3vr0n

10th March 2017, 19:25

If you're talking about their '5way optimization' inside the AI suite, I tried that, 1st time it couldn't get a stable overclock, the second time it actually UNDER CLOCKED my CPU to lower than stock settings so I gave up. On the forum there's not much good about it either. I said nothing about fengtao's stuff, I don't use any of it.

Sent from my Nexus 7 (2013) with Tapatalk

Mark_Venture

10th March 2017, 20:43

No, I was talking about the EZ Tuning Wizard in the bios... When I run it, it gives me an estimated tuning result of 13% CPU, and 0% on Ram..

It didn't run it because I've changed a bunch of BIOS settings, and I need to make sure I have them all written down (if the Tuning Wizard encounters problems with its tweaks, you have to go back to factory defaults).

Ch3vr0n

10th March 2017, 21:17

That EZ thing is pretty much the same as the 5way, the 5way does it software based then writes values to the special chip that connects with the bios. But in your case, go into advanced menu and somewhere you should be able to save your current configuration :) Then go nuts with the tuner if you want to :p

Mark_Venture

10th March 2017, 22:16

I was looking for something to save/export my settings... but I didn't see it...

The option under Tools -> Asus Overclocking Profile there is an option to save, but where it was located, made me think it was just the "timing" or "overclock settings"... Reading the book now, the way its written, it says "current bios settings" so hopefully that is everything, including peripheral settings, etc. I'll have to experiment.

Mark_Venture

14th May 2018, 14:05

@jdobbs previously i was using software base mode to do my 3D processing. I've just enabled the iGPU (6700k) on my system to see if hardware encoding (quicksync) makes any difference. Do i need to set any options in the ini file to go from sw to hw?

which settings do you recommend on a 6700k? Software enc/dec, software enc, hw dec? Hardware enc/software dec? Hw enc & dec? How do you force hw?

FRIM_SW_DECODE=0
FRIM_SW_ENCODE=0

results in good decode but failed encode, so does 0/1. Removing both starts encoding but at 12FPS, i don't think it's doing hardware based encoding

Ch3vr0n, I know this quote is from the other thread, but didn't want to clutter that up talking about this....

So is the idea to enable Intel QuickSync, and your dedicated graphics card at the same time, there by being able to use both as needed to help speed things up?

what types of processes are you expecting this to make faster? What will the impact on video quality be (as I mentioned I noticed video quality on DVDFab using CUDA not being as good as BD-Rebuilder to encode)?

Ch3vr0n

14th May 2018, 20:36

Frim is supported by quick sync (processor hardware GPU) and thus accelerates de/encoding, sadly frim isn't supported by my GTX 1080 and I can't get it to work hardware wise, even though it's enabled on the bios. As to Dvdfab, can't help you there don't use it.

Something just popped in my head. If it is true that the onboard GPU disables itself (even though enabled in the bios, read that somewhere) if no display is detected, then hopefully what I just snapped up on Amazon might fix that problem. If it doesn't, I'll just return it. I ordered an HDMI dummy plug (that simulates a display connection)

Sent from my Nexus 7 with Tapatalk

Mark_Venture

15th May 2018, 14:35

will that help 2d and 3d encoding? or just 2D?

Does the QuickSync on the i6700K help with 4K encoding?

Ch3vr0n

15th May 2018, 18:09

Quicksync is Quicksync, for a GPU (just like an optical drive) it's all just data made up of 1's and 0's. (Same applies to 4k, the resolution is irrelevant, the codec used h264 or h265 is) But my intention is for 3D. For 2D titles i use a different option that supports hardware based decoding AND encoding. I can make a full disc backup that way from a completely filled BD50 (45GB) to a BD25 (23.5GB) in under 15 minutes.

Mark_Venture

16th May 2018, 19:16

Yeah, i have another tool that uses "Cuda" and can process a bluray (already ripped to HD) to MKV in under 10 minutes (usually less than 5)... way faster than BD-Rebuilder... BUT... the video quality seems a bit "off".. it feels softer, not as visually pleasing. My wife doesn't notice it, but I do... so BD-RB it continues to be for me :D

Ch3vr0n

18th May 2018, 16:20

Mark_Venture

23rd May 2018, 00:19

Does Quicksync provide any quality improvement over "Cuda" (or whatever Nvida Fab uses)?

Mark_Venture

23rd May 2018, 05:08

http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1842408&postcount=27328

Rather than clutter up the other thread, since this is more about getting the settings right...

iGPU is enabled in bios, but I set PEG is primary card. Using an HDMI splitter as the "monitor" on the iGPU port of the motherboard, and my Monitor attached to my GTX970 card... Windows 10 does see both adapters, and both "monitors", so I set it as "duplicate displays".

Testing with Avatar 3D. Reencoding step shows 42fps before adding FRIM_SW_DECODE=0 & FRIM_SW_ENCODE=0 to my ini file, and 55fps after. So negligible improvements.

you mentioned over 100fps. Am I missing something?

EDIT: Ok, after about 10 minutes, its now showing 117 fps and climbing
EDIT2: after 18 minutes its bouncing between 133 and 135fps..

EDIT3: At about 10 minutes, the video is all black, however the Na'vi subtitles are there...

Mark_Venture

14th June 2018, 18:00

@Ch3vr0n

Did you notice a change recently? I can no longer have video set to "duplicate" on both displays for iGPU and Nvidia to both be usable in my other apps that support both NVENC/CUDA and QuickSync. It has to be "extend"

Ch3vr0n

14th June 2018, 19:37

I haven't, can't help you there. I never set it to duplicate in the first place

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Mark_Venture

23rd July 2018, 04:05

Well I'm back to this thread about upgrades...

Besides "My PC" which I upgraded earlier in this thread.. I have my "Media Server" PC, and my son's PC... After the upgrades done earlier in this thread... the "old parts" (my i7-860, its mother board and ram) were moved to the "Media Server" and its parts put in my son's PC...

Long story short... those other two PC's were OLD (the i7-860 was from 2009, and my son was running a Q6700 on an intel DG33TL board which was even older!), so they were in need of upgrades... so in my usual fashion, I just upgraded mine, and cascaded parts down the line... (media server being the middle, and my son's being last.)

On Prime Day, I saw deals on an i7-8700K, Asus Prime Z710-A motherboard, and G.SKILL ram, which knocked off about $150 over all, then I used my Prime Store Card to get 5% back too... so I dove in..

I didn't expect to see much improvement going from i7-6700K to i7-8700K, at least nothing like going from the i7-860 to i7-6700K anway..

Now my rig is...
Motherboard: Asus Prime Z370-A
CPU: Intel Boxed Core I7-8700K (8th Gen) Coffee Lake 3.7Ghz 12MB Cache Processor LGA 1151 BX80684178700K
Heatsink/Fan: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - CPU Cooler with 120mm PWM Fan
Paste: Arctic Silver 5 AS5-3.5G Thermal Paste
Memory: G.SKILL 16GB (2x 8GB) - G.Skill Ripjaws V Series F4-3200C16D-16GVGB (Running in XMP mode PC3200)
Case: Antec Nine Hundred II case
Power: EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 G3, 80 Plus Gold 1000W
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 SSC ACX2.0 04G-P4-3979-KB
Keyboard/Mouse: Logitech MK520 Wireless Keyboard & Mouse (USB receiver)
Internal Drives:
Qty 1 - 500gb Samsung 850 EVO SSD - Bootmanager, Win 7 64bit, Win 10
Qty 1 - 250gb Samsung 840 SSD - Win 7 64bit
Qty 1 - 1Tb Western Digital Black SATAII - WD1001FALS
Qty 1 - 4Tb Western Digital RED 4 TB SATA III 64 MB - WD40EFRX
Qty 1 - 4Tb Western Digital Mainstream/Blue SATA III - WD40EZRZ
Qty 1 - 3Tb Western Digital Mainstream/Blue SATA III - WD30EZRZ
Bluray: LG BH16NS40 BD-RW/DVD-RW (via Port 2 on SI-PEX40057, see below)
Syba 4 Port SATA III PCI-e 2.0 x2 HyperDuo RAID Card (SI-PEX40057) plugged into PCIEX16_3 slot in X2 mode.
Antec Easy SATA - Hot Swap Hard Drive Caddy w/Esata port (via Port 1 on SI-PEX40057, see above)

and I have a few external drives..

After swapping board/cpu/cooler/memory, I tackled my Windows 7 partitions the same way as I mentioned in Post #5 of this thread... (booted the DVD, selected repair, opened a command prompt and used the dism to push the drivers on...) The Windows 10 partition booted up so I manually installed any missing drivers...

As a test, I dug out Mission Impossible 5 and ran it again... This time under Windows 10, with the most recent copy of BD Rebuilder (v0.50.25), and used the same settings...

[20:36:56] Source: MISSION_IMPOSSIBLE_5_00800
[21:30:26] JOB: MISSION_IMPOSSIBLE_5 finished.

At 53 minutes 30 seconds, its as expected, slightly faster than the 1 hours 12 minutes 54 seconds using the i7-6700K (difference of 19 min 24 seconds), but not night and day like the i7-860 to 6700K upgrade.

More importantly, when using Plex on my media server to sync offline content to my tablets, is MUCH faster, now that is has the i7-6700K. And my son's PC is a little bit faster for him too.

Considering the prime day deals, I didn't break the bank, so my wife is happy... It was relatively painless to move the parts around. and I got a speed boost now for two of my PC's (I don't think my son will really notice upgrade). Sure I'm late on the 8700K train, and probably could have waited until the 9th Gen i7 comes out, but that will likely be a few months away, and who knows how much faster, or more expensive it will be... and if it wasn't for the deals, I probably would have waited.

Ch3vr0n

23rd July 2018, 11:45

i went from a non-i series (Q9550) with a GTX 680 to a 6700k with a GTX 1080A, so my speed increase was massive :p

Mark_Venture

22nd January 2019, 14:19

Has anyone found that one hard drive (or SSD) is better than another for BD-RB's working folder?

My trusty old WD Black 1TB (SATAII, yes that old) that I had been using for my working folder is now starting to have issues and needs to be replaced. Not sure if replacing with a newer WD Black, or other drive, will help speed BD-RB up any?

I know Jdobbs mentioned trying a SSD and not experiencing any improvements, even with BD-RB's working folder on the SSD, which has thinking about is getting another Black worth it or not, or if there is something better?

Any thoughts?

Ch3vr0n

22nd January 2019, 17:43

In many cases an SSD can provide faster rates (esp if M.2 NVME based) than likely x264 can process. In which case x264/your GPU is the bottleneck.

Oh in case anyone interested. I upgraded my system again. I'm now rocking the following setup

OS: Win10 Pro x64
CPU: Core i9 9900k!!!
Ram: (still) 16GB Corsair Dominator Platinum 2666 - ROG Edition
MB: Asus Maximus XI Formula
GPU: (still) Asus Strix GTX 1080A
SSD1 (Boot): (still) Samsung 960 Pro 512GB
SSD2: Samsung 970 EVO 2TB !!! (scratch)
HDD1: HGST Deskstar NAS 10TB
HDD2 & 3: HGST UltraStar 10TB
HDD4: HGST Deskstar 4TB
and still my same 3 optical drives

Going by the list above, pretty sure you can guess which brand of HDD's i recommend.

Mark_Venture

18th February 2019, 17:29

Thank you. I'll look at those.

jdobbs

23rd February 2019, 02:27

So, Ch3vron, what kind of speeds are you seeing now (for X264 and X265 encoding)? I was wondering how the i9 compares to the i7.

Sharc

23rd February 2019, 09:27

Well I'm back to this thread about upgrades...

....At 53 minutes 30 seconds, its as expected, slightly faster than the 1 hours 12 minutes 54 seconds using the i7-6700K (difference of 19 min 24 seconds), but not night and day like the i7-860 to 6700K upgrade.

A bit off topic, I know.
I "upgraded" my old, slow PC (slow HDD, no SSD, 4G RAM only) with a - now also outdated - GeForce GT 730. It does a MIP 5 movie only backup in 45 Minutes including the downmix of 2 audio tracks to AC3 640k using CUDA decoding and NVenc. The quality of the HW encode is perhaps not quite as good as a CPU encode, but "uneducated" viewers don't see a difference, and the encoding speed boost is amazing.

I wonder if GPU encoding will become an option for BD-RB?

Ch3vr0n

23rd February 2019, 11:06

That's a question for the bdrb debug thread and @jdobbs. That's not what this topic is about, but I believe I've asked that in the past too. Can't remember if it ever got answered.

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Mark_Venture

28th February 2019, 04:05

I wonder if GPU encoding will become an option for BD-RB?I asked about this in the past, but I can't find the response post..

best I could find was... https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1857555&postcount=28054 which implies that jdobbs doesn't have an nvidia card capable of NVENC, nor does he have an Intel CPU that supports QuickSync. I think that would impact development and testing.

So While I know QS requires Intel CPU/GPU, and NVENC requires an Nvidia card, there have been quality issues in the past, while the newer 9700/9900 Intel chips, and Nvidia RTX cards supposedly do a better job, I don't know if its really on par with software/cpu. I can say when using other software with GPU acceleration with my GTX970, it looks a little fuzzy compared to when I use that other software and/or BD-RB with x264.

And then there is the different things the GPU supports encoding/decoding (for example, see NVIDIA's chart.. https://developer.nvidia.com/video-encode-decode-gpu-support-matrix be sure to click the buttons for the older graphic card series...) So would BD-RB need to determine IF GPU supports xxx format, use it, else use software/cpu? how much complexity does that add.

But yeah, since I can't find that past discussion, if jdobbs sees this and can reply it would be great, because I don't completely know what I'm talking about :D

laserfan

22nd March 2019, 17:04

I've been out of the game for a couple years between health issues and re-location, and discovered just recently that my trusty video computer has not survived the move. So I am thinking about Repair (I do have a spare motherboard) or Replace, and regarding Replace I see no mention here of IDE. Yeah I know it's old tech, but I have four drives with good stuff on them so...

Since the IDE interface appears not to be offered on motherboards anymore, are there PCI cards that will give me IDE-0 and IDE-1? Honestly I have never been too interested in speed increases since I got into the habit of doing my (relatively few) backups overnight.

:o

Ch3vr0n

22nd March 2019, 17:59

Sure thing, startech is pretty known for interface cards.

https://www.startech.com/Cards-Adapters/HDD-Controllers/IDE/1-Port-PCI-Express-IDE-Adapter-Card~PEX2IDE

If i were you, i'd get one get a new sata hdd big enough to hold all the data of those 4 drives. Then get one of those adapters, hook the drives up, transfer all the data and send the adapter back ;)

laserfan

22nd March 2019, 22:36

Mark_Venture

15th July 2020, 13:58

And I'm back after another round of upgrades...

Now my rig is...
Motherboard: Asus Prime Z490-A
CPU: Intel Boxed Core I9-10900K (10th Gen) Comet Lake 3.7Ghz 20MB Cache Processor LGA1200 BX8070110900K
Heatsink/Fan: Noctua NH-D15 - CPU Cooler with two 140mm PWM Fans (NOTE: I had to replace one of the 140mm fans with a 120mm due to RAM clearance)
Paste: NT-H1 high-grade thermal compound (included with NH-D15)
Memory: G.SKILL 16GB (2x 8GB) - G.Skill Ripjaws V DDR4-3200MHz CL4 F4-3200C14D-16GVK (Running in XMP mode PC3200)
Case: Antec Nine Hundred II case
Power: EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 G3, 80 Plus Gold 1000W
Video Card: EVGA GTX 1660ti XC Ultra Gaminig 06G-P4-1267-KR
Keyboard/Mouse: Logitech MK520 Wireless Keyboard & Mouse (USB receiver)
Internal Drives:
Qty 1 - 500gb Samsung 850 EVO SSD - Win 10
Qty 1 - 250gb Samsung 840 SSD - Win 7 64bit
Qty 1 - 1Tb Western Digital Black SATA III - WD4005FZBX
Qty 1 - 4Tb Western Digital RED 4 TB SATA III 64 MB - WD40EFRX
Qty 1 - 4Tb Western Digital Mainstream/Blue SATA III 64 MB- WD40EZRZ
Qty 1 - 3Tb Western Digital Mainstream/Blue SATA III 64 MB- WD30EZRZ
Bluray: LG Super Multi Blue Internal SATA 16x Blu-ray Disc Rewriter BH16NS40 BD-RW/DVD-RW (via Port 2 on SI-PEX40057, see below)
Syba 4 Port SATA III PCI-e 2.0 x2 HyperDuo RAID Card (SI-PEX40057) plugged into PCIEX16_3 slot
Antec Easy SATA - Hot Swap Hard Drive Caddy w/Esata port (via Port 1 on SI-PEX40057, see above)

Along with the external USB attached hard drives, and a WD My Cloud from before.

After swapping parts, I booted Windows 10 Pro, and installed any missing drivers.

Anyway, just to be consistent for testing, I dug out Mission Impossible 5, ripped it to the hard drive (Passkey) again and ran it using the most recent copy of BD Rebuilder (v0.61.05), with the same INI as in Post #5 (https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1772128&postcount=5).

This time...
[00:53:39] Source: MISSION_IMPOSSIBLE_5_00800
[01:24:20] JOB: MISSION_IMPOSSIBLE_5 finished.

So if my math is right... at 30 minutes 41 seconds the i9-10900K is faster than the 53 minutes 30 seconds with the i7 8700K (difference of 22 minutes 49 seconds). So again a nice upgrade with SOFTWARE encoding.

I'm surprised with air cooling that according to CPUID HWMonitor, the max temp of the CPU was 77 degrees C (170F).. (my house AC is set to 72 degrees F).

CV91913

22nd August 2020, 16:35

Just replaced my outdated PC with i7 based processor system with on board Intel graphics. I installed BD Rebuilder and all helper apps. Did a BD to MP4 recode. It used to take a little over 3hrs to do the conversion on my old system. Much to my delight it only took an hour with the new system.

I also have Elby Clone BD. I installed it and during setup it recognized the Intel Quick Sync. I did the same conversion. Same source and output settings. The difference...it only took 12 minutes.

I much prefer BD Rebuilder because it is more flexible and has a batch mode. So, is there any way to use Intel Quick Sync? I noticed that when I was making the changes to the MPEG2 settings in ffdshow, the libavcodec setting was set but there was also an option for Intel Quick Sync.

So, my question is...are there setting changes I can make to better use the Quick Sync functionality?

Mark_Venture

29th August 2020, 21:15

...I much prefer BD Rebuilder because it is more flexible and has a batch mode. So, is there any way to use Intel Quick Sync? I noticed that when I was making the changes to the MPEG2 settings in ffdshow, the libavcodec setting was set but there was also an option for Intel Quick Sync.

So, my question is...are there setting changes I can make to better use the Quick Sync functionality?
I prefer BD-Rebuilder too, even though other tools support QuickSync and NVENC/CUDA acceleration.

I don't know if there are any plans to add Intel QuickSync support.

I will say that with my i7-6700K, i7-8700K, and i9-10900K, QuickSync with other tools was quicker, the video quality suffered compared to using x264 and BD-RB, even with near identical bit rates. Using QS the video wasn't as sharp and as good of quality.

jdobbs has added NVIDIA NVENC encoding in the latest release.

While past Nvidia cards support NVENC, video quality is much improved with cards that have Turing chips (RTX20x0 series, GTX1660/1660ti, and GTX1650 Super.. note: non-super GTX1650 still has the old encoder). Using a GTX1660ti, with the latest BD-Rebuilder, my "alt movie only - MKV" encodes are way way faster (15-20 minutes) and about the same size and bitrate as if I used X264(software) and nearly identical video quality (I can't see a difference on my 4k TV).

CV91913

29th August 2020, 22:48

I prefer BD-Rebuilder too, even though other tools support QuickSync and NVENC/CUDA acceleration.

I don't know if there are any plans to add Intel QuickSync support.

I will say that with my i7-6700K, i7-8700K, and i9-10900K, QuickSync with other tools was quicker, the video quality suffered compared to using x264 and BD-RB, even with near identical bit rates. Using QS the video wasn't as sharp and as good of quality.

jdobbs has added NVIDIA NVENC encoding in the latest release.

While past Nvidia cards support NVENC, video quality is much improved with cards that have Turing chips (RTX20x0 series, GTX1660/1660ti, and GTX1650 Super.. note: non-super GTX1650 still has the old encoder). Using a GTX1660ti, with the latest BD-Rebuilder, my "alt movie only - MKV" encodes are way way faster (15-20 minutes) and about the same size and bitrate as if I used X264(software) and nearly identical video quality (I can't see a difference on my 4k TV).
I also think the "other" software produces a slightly softer image. I tried setting up Frim as the decoder/encoder with the settings to use hardware but still only get about 50 fps converting a BD25 to MP4 using BDRB.

I am converting all of my BD25 disks to MP4 for use with a NAS. I have about 400 to do. I have found that, using the "other" software, I can read the source BD directly from the BD player, process the re-encode on my laptop using Quick Sync, and write the MP4 directly to my NAS. It takes about 20 minutes. I get an average of 190 fps with maximum as high as 400 fps. With as many as I am doing, the time savings are a trade off for the slightly less sharp video.

I still prefer BDRB and will still use it if I need more control and a higher quality image.