(MKV/SUP) Some subtitles just won't render [resolved]

[osgZach]

I am having a problem which absolutely boggles my mind. I just can't figure out what's wrong on my end, or if the problem is the subtitle file itself (some odd spec variation that isn't supported yet??).

I ripped my Inception Blu Ray recently, and I included the English subtitle track, in native SUP format. Everything is muxed into a Mastroska container.

Windows Media Player won't show the subtitles, nor will MPC-HC (installed with Combined Community Codec Pack). Yet J River Media Center (it has its own Subtitle renderer) will display them.

It doesn't matter what I do, even manually selecting the stream does not render them to the screen.

However I have MKVs I have started making from my Yamato 2199 Blu Rays and the subtitles show up just fine, also in native SUP format.

My preferred setup is to use LAV for Splitting, Video, and Audio, VobSUB for subtitles. but I have also tried ffdshow for Video rendering, and Haali for splitting. And other combinations of such.

They render fine when played from disc.
No matter what I do, I can't get these subtitles to display. Does anyone have any ideas, before I go insane? :mad:

[paradoxical]

Post the SUP file?

[osgZach]

Here is the file, this was extracted by Ripbot by whatever tools it uses.

Inception 1080p SUP (http://pics.oldskoolgames.com/forums/doom9/7_subtitles_English_1080.zip)

[paradoxical]

I muxed it into an mkv. Played perfectly fine with MPC-HC, LAV Filters and xy-vsfilter.

[osgZach]

Weird. Because I just finished an encode for Tron:Legacy and the subtitles work fine for it, but not Inception.

My brother brought up an interesting point though. He asked if I cropped the movie (black bars) because sometimes subs display down there.. My inclination is to think it wouldn't matter but... maybe?

That is also the only difference between encoding the two movies. I didn't crop Tron because it includes IMAX frames, whereas Inception is straight 2:35:1 with black bars.

Edit: Confirmed.

I just changed the Crop Offset to move it inside the picture frame and the subs magically appear when the new file is muxed in.... That's make ZERO sense, thanks BD format! If the player knows enough to add black bars in fullscreen, the sub renderer should too, you would think... I don't even....meh