DVDImageRipper_14 Update

[junq]

To: setarip_old

If entire size of a ripped image is burned on a DL medium, it is playable.

Some, but a few, commercial DVD-ROM media exceed the size of burnable DVD DL media. In this case, you cannot play the burned image on DVD player (not software), but can play on PCs, except that the software player limits the playable size.

Before burning, check if the size of a DL medium can contain the ENTIRE size of a ripped image. I know you can do it.

junq

[setarip_old]

@junqI know you can do it.What I can do is irrelevant ;>}

I'm just following YOUR progress to make sure we ALL understand the extent of your progress so far - and, based on your response, the product of your program (an .ISO image file of up to 8.15Gb) is not limited solely to playback on a PC. It can also be used, with rare exception, to create viable burned DVD5s and/or DVD9s.

On the other hand, while following your progress, I'm fairly certain that, as you encounter the various and sundry protection schemes currently employed, you'll discover that you'll continuously have to enhance your program to deal with them (just like the commercial programs must do)
- as I've posted in the past to others who believed they'd be capable of creating a "one size fits all" decrypting program.

However, you seem to be making excellent progress!

Do we know how large the .ISO is that was created by "xtcy" using v.1.7 of your program versus the indicated size of the original, commercial DVD?

[Mug Funky]

@ junq:

"Some, but a few, commercial DVD-ROM media exceed the size of burnable DVD DL media."

i'd say it's more likely that this would be a problem with PTP format discs rather than some new copyright protection (unless the stated image size is 20x the actual DVD). writable DVD-DLs aren't able to burn PTP for some reason - they can only manage OTP discs (which are generally better, but impose a size limit that depends on the layer break position, while a PTP disc can use the full theoretical layer size regardless of the layer break position, at the expense of having to physically move the laser back to the beginning of the disc at the layer break, leading to a much longer pause in playback)

[junq]

To: Mug Funky

Thank you for your message.
DVDImageRipper is (or I'm) not aiming at PTP (DVD-RAM) media.

junq

[junq]

To: setarip_old

Quote:
"I'm just following YOUR progress to make sure we ALL understand the extent of your progress so far..."

I really would like to know that you are a member of DOOM9's administrator group.
If so, I appreciate your messages including those posted so far.

I have translated your message into my mother tongue, and tried to understand again and again.
But, sorry, I cannot understand what you mention, probably because of my poor language capability and insufficient knowledge.

If you mention that I have to be responsible for the size of product created by DVDImageRipper, this tool itself must not be disclosed in any place because there are possibilities of advent of other "various and sundry" protection schemes I have not ever known.

junq

[xenex]

@setarip_old

You know, in order for you to answer your own question, there is something that YOU could do. The programs by "junq" here and by "spotter" in another thread both use the same general method, which is to copy a physical DVD to a hard drive, whilst decrypting the CSS encypted VOB files, and "blanking" bad sectors. It results in an ISO that is playable via most PC-based players. I (personally) don't feel that "burning a disc" is really the goal of these approaches, but you seem to want to do that.

So, since as you have stated, you do not run Linux and are not a programmer, but do run Windows, you could run junq's program on the "most-protected" DVD you own, whatever that title might be, and then burn it to a DL disc and try it in a standalone player and see if it works. I happen to have a strong belief that it will work. I'd be interested to hear your results. If, of course, you are willing to do this test.

[setarip_old]

@junq I really would like to know that you are a member of DOOM9's administrator group. Nope, just a forum member with insatiable curiosity (and the proverbial "a little knowledge, which can be a dangerous thing" ;>} )

[setarip_old]

@junq

Apparently on your behalf, "xenex" is soliciting the testing of DVDs.

A good example for you to test was suggested by "swolf2010" - Disney's "The Princess and the Frog". If you do test it (or have already done so), please let us know wheher v.1.7 properly processes it, or if you had to modify your program to deal with it, or whether you cannot overcome the protection.

[xenex]

@setarip_old

Wow, muddy the waters much?

No sir, I was speaking directly to you, "setarip_old." I thought what I said was fairly clear.

If you, sir, "setarip_old" desire to see if the approach used by "junq" here and by "spotter" in another thread is capable of creating a decrypted ISO image which can be burned to a physical disc in order to test its playability in a standalone DVD player, I suggested that you - "setarip_old" do that test for yourself, instead of "passing the buck."

Why do you ("setarip_old") not just use the program by "junq" to decrypt to an ISO the "VERY-MOST-PROTECTED" DVD you own, burn it to a DL disc, and tell us ALL if it works or does not work. It would answer your own question, would it not?

In fact, if you could find a DVD that does NOT work, that would be even more informative.

[setarip_old]

@xenex

In my post #52 to this thread, I said:On the other hand, while following your progress, I'm fairly certain that, as you encounter the various and sundry protection schemes currently employed, you'll discover that you'll continuously have to enhance your program to deal with them (just like the commercial programs must do) - as I've posted in the past to others who believed they'd be capable of creating a "one size fits all" decrypting program.I make this statement based on more than a decade of both using and quietly helping in the development of many of the more successful decrypters/"rippers" - and what I and many, many users observed 10 years ago continues to be the case today, namely that there is no program that, without ongoing modification, will be forever capable of decrypting whatever type of DVD copy protection "comes down the pike". If I recall correctly, there have been two or three such Linux-based attempts (prior to those by "spotter" and "junq") in the last year or two - all ending with less than 100% success regarding full disc backup.

That said, at this stage, although I'm always willing and pleased to directly share any knowledge, questions, or suggestions I may have to O.P.s such as "junq", I'm only willing to be actively involved in testing actual discs if it coincides with my personal interest, which is currently limited to Blu-ray discs (and, of course, my grandchildren and business activities ;>}).

[junq]

To: setarip_old

I have enjoyed PC for 25 years since 8-bit PC.

In this thread, I would like to share enjoyment of PC software with those who love it.

I don't need any commentary given without using my tool.
Read carefully the update message I have posted with attachment, which you have not read.

If you do not feel the served food delicious, please leave the table while keeping silence.

junq

[setarip_old]

If you prefer not to hear any constructive criticism, that's okay. No problem...

BTW - I've been a personal computer user (before IBM appropriated the nomenclature "PC" for itself) starting with programming in FORTH for the Atari 2600/VCS.

[junq]

Taking the oppotunity of update to Ver.1.8, I have posted a new thread named "DVDImageRipper Update".

junq

[swolf2010]

If you prefer not to hear any constructive criticism, that's okay. No problem...

BTW - I've been a personal computer user (before IBM appropriated the nomenclature "PC" for itself) starting with programming in FORTH for the Atari 2600/VCS.

hi setarip_old,
will the privated BD+ project be open soon ?

[Wilbert]

Restored. @junq, if there is a serious reason to delete it again you can send me a pm.

[junq]

To those who use DVDImageRipper:

I have posted an attachment named DVDImageRipper V.2.0 (Console Version) in the thread posted by "dlanod" entitled "What did happen to DVDImageRipper ?".

Sooner or later it will be available for download after approved by DOOM9.

Reason of Console Version is that it is stable compared with WIN32 GUI version.

Try it if you would like to.

junq