Subtitles in black bar area

[sporic]

Most TV's today are still not wide enough to eliminate the black bars at the top and bottom of the screen.

Some subtitles today partially appear on the black bar area when the text is too long.

What happens in the future when I get a really wide screen TV to eliminate the black bars? Will the subs move a little to the top so they all show OR will the text in the black bar area get cut off and not show?

(not sure if it matters or not, but this query is more for HTPC's playing Blurays).

[Ghitulescu]

Philips manufactures a BD player that lets you move the subtitles.

[manono]

What happens in the future when I get a really wide screen TV to eliminate the black bars? Will the subs move a little to the top so they all show OR will the text in the black bar area get cut off and not show?
You don't have to wait for the future to confront the problem. There are quite a few projector users who like to mask off the black bars when projecting a 2.35:1 movie and they hate to have the subs partially down in the black. You can raise the subs using DVDSubEdit.

[sporic]

OK. so the subs WON'T move up automatically. Thanks.

[sporic]

You don't have to wait for the future to confront the problem. There are quite a few projector users who like to mask off the black bars when projecting a 2.35:1 movie and they hate to have the subs partially down in the black. You can raise the subs using DVDSubEdit.

Wait a minute.... i just gave your post a second look and realized that you are refering to projectors that are still producing back bars? This means that the projector is still not projecting on a screen that is wide enough (hence the presence of black bars).

But what happens if the projector is set to project in full screen mode (a la a TV with no black bars) then perhaps the subs will move up?

[manono]

No, the subs are definitely a problem. I didn't explain it well initially. If you have a 2.35:1 screen and project a 2.35:1 movie on to it in one of a couple of ways, then only the movie itself fills the screen and the black bars above and below will be removed. If the subs are partially down in the black you're screwed. Then when projecting 1.78:1, 1.85:1, or 1.33:1 movies there will be varying amounts of black on the sides (pillar bars) which are usually covered up with curtains, like in a movie theater. Here's an article on it and near the bottom is a paragraph about the subtitles:

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/HD_Advisor/Joshua_Zyber/HD_Advisor_Tutorial_%E2%80%93_2.35:1_Constant_Height_Projection/2798

And here's another article on this kind of projector setup, but without mention being made of the subtitle problem:

http://www.projectorcentral.com/235_home_theater.htm

[MikeEby]

BDSup2Sub will allow you to move blu-ray subs into the image area. Here are a couple examples of movies ripped with the EAC3to GUI I wrote and the subtitles processed by BDSup2Sub. When played with a standard Blu-ray player the subtitles would be black bars, or sometimes 1/2 in 1/2 out.

I have a masking system now and sometime plan on going with a 2:40/2:35 screen. It is unacceptable to have the subtitles in the black bars.

http://www.acdnow.com/anothereac3togui/GranTorino.jpg

http://www.acdnow.com/anothereac3togui/VantagePoint.jpg


Mike

[sporic]

OMG!!! that means I gotta remux over a 100 movies (assuming they got subs in the black bars)!!!

ARRRGGHHH!!!!!

[manono]

Like I said, DVD subs can be raised using DVDSubEdit. MikeEby says BDSup2Sub can adjust the sub position for Blu-Ray movies.

[sporic]

Like I said, DVD subs can be raised using DVDSubEdit. MikeEby says BDSup2Sub can adjust the sub position for Blu-Ray movies.

Yeah thatswhat I mean... Lots a demuxing to get the subs out then editing the subs then remuxing them.

Anyone know what is the proportion of mainstream movies with subs in the black bar area?

[Ghitulescu]

Yeah thatswhat I mean... Lots a demuxing to get the subs out then editing the subs then remuxing them.
Nope, why demuxing?
Anyone know what is the proportion of mainstream movies with subs in the black bar area?
Probably most of those 1.85:1 if not all
and definitively almost all 4:3LB (the stupidest format ever).

[manono]

Like Ghitulescu says, no demuxing. If they're on disc now, you'll have to put them on the hard drive first, raise them, and then reburn them, but the subs raising process is easy. It's fully explained in the included help file. You'll want sections 2.7 and/or 2.8:

http://download.videohelp.com/DVDSubEdit/UserManual/helpfile.htm

Do it for one, then go Edit->Apply Last Modifications To All->DO IT!, followed by File->Save All Modifications. That's for DVD. I have no idea how you do it with Blu-Ray subs.

[sporic]

My movies are on the Hard Disc in Bluray disk structure wrapped in one single ISO.

As the subs are PGS type, won't I have to demux the bluray structure to extract the Video, sound and sub.

Modify the sub using bdsub2sup to raise the subs into the image area.

Then remux the modified sub with the video and sound again.

TSMux the whole thing into bluray structure.

Repack it into ISO again.

No?

[MikeEby]

I'm pretty sure PGS subs are embedded in the transport streams (m2ts files). Which you would need to dumux with eac3to, move the subs with bdsup2sub then remux with tsmuxer.

I use mpc-hc as a player and have no issue moving the subs, but I'm working with MKVs ripped from Blu-rays. If your using TMT or PDVD I can't say this will work with those players.

What do you normally use as a player?

BTW are you trying to move all subtitles or just "Forced" subs, if "Forced Only" there are not that many movies that contain this types of subtitles, even fewer are wider than 1:78/1:85AR which would require moving.

Mike

[sporic]

i use TMT.

I will have to move ANY sub that's in the black bar area, not just forced ones.