Tool for changing preferred DirectShow filters in Windows 7

[Joniii]

I guess we need to wait for MF Haali/VobSub/ffdshow :(

How hard would it be for example to convert VobSub to Media Foundation?

[clsid]

There is no point in using MF since the MS stuff will still be preferred over 3rd part ones. And all stuff that has no native support can just be handle through DirectShow.

[BetaBoy]

New problems with the latest Windows 7 builds (7229, 7260 and newer).

Haali Media Splitter doesn't work anymore with .ts or .m2ts files, only with .mkv.

I forced Haali splitter to load by disabling one of the Media Foundation files in system32 dir, installed latest ffdshow and changed VC-1, H.264 and MPEG-2 codecs to ffdshow with this utility but only VC-1 uses ffdshow.

It seems that H.264 and MPEG-2 (msmpeg2vdec.dll) can't be changed from DirectShow registry entries anymore, it can only be changed from [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Media Center\Decoder].

But if you change that registry entry for ffdshow, LiveTV won't work anymore in Media Center.

I warned everyone that MS was going to pull this before Win7 went final, and this confirms it... This is not just a decoder battle, but a splitter battle.

[Joniii]

There is no point in using MF since the MS stuff will still be preferred over 3rd part ones. And all stuff that has no native support can just be handle through DirectShow.

So basicly it would be impossible for example nVidia to make PureVideo Blu-ray version for W7?

I'm Media Center Beta tester, there was alot of discussion about this with the Media Center team but they completely ignored it. It's just insane that they did this, more so when their AVCHD splitter lacks VC-1 and DTS support.

[clsid]

The solution is simple: avoid the MS players.

[dimitrik]

Unfortunately M& makes the best and easiest 10 foot interface - WMC. I would gladly dump that dog if there was one Open Source or commercial alternative that worked as well.

[Joniii]

The solution is simple: avoid the MS players.

Unfortunally there isn't anything as good as Media Center for HTPC's :(.

[Joniii]

There is no point in using MF since the MS stuff will still be preferred over 3rd part ones. And all stuff that has no native support can just be handle through DirectShow.

Wouldn't VobSub still need to be translated as MF in order it to work in WMP and WMC with W7 default decoders?

[clsid]

No. It already works fine for AVI files in combination with MS decoders.

[Joniii]

No. It already works fine for AVI files in combination with MS decoders.

Weird, doesn't work for me with any Divx/Xvid videos, only with mkv's.

Which version are you using?

[clsid]

Last build I tried it on was probably 7201. I haven't done much testing with newer builds. I am waiting for RTM to leak before I waste any more time on it.

[Joniii]

Last build I tried it on was probably 7201. I haven't done much testing with newer builds. I am waiting for RTM to leak before I waste any more time on it.

Yeah I know what you mean, fortunately it shouldn't be long for RTM :) Which VobSub version are you using?

[BetaBoy]

Last build I tried it on was probably 7201. I haven't done much testing with newer builds. I am waiting for RTM to leak before I waste any more time on it.
clsid... we could not agree more.... the downside for us is that it's delaying CoreAVC 2.0.

[honai]

clsid... we could not agree more.... the downside for us is that it's delaying CoreAVC 2.0.

I see. Dog ate the homework again.

(I'm one of the customers back from the olden days when Core announced features "soon to come" that never materialized, and who's growing more and more frustrated by empty promises and blame allocation.)

[BetaBoy]

I see. Dog ate the homework again.

(I'm one of the customers back from the olden days when Core announced features "soon to come" that never materialized, and who's growing more and more frustrated by empty promises and blame allocation.)

Please explain what features we did not deliver in CoreAVC Professional 1.x that we did state that was coming and not added? And this added value comment has to do with what in relationship to the topic other then a direct poke? clsid stated the obvious and we concur. Wasting devel time on something that Microsoft is clearly changing with every release leading to RTM is the right move, in fact I've spoken to many other companies and they are basically doing the same thing.

[honai]

Uhm, GPU-aided/based decoding? Back then this was always described as GPU-agnostic and not specific to nVidia GPUs. Then, after more than a year w/o delivering it, you put the blame on the GPU manufacturers being unhelpful or whatever in enabling your solution that nobody ever saw a working version of.

I recall that you promised that feature "coming soon after the release of 1.0", then delayed, delayed, until finally you cancelled it in favor of CUDA.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that CoreAVC 1.9.5 is a bad product. It certainly serves the market.

However, I can't help but notice that once again Core is allocating blame for delayed release cycles to forces outside your control. Or so you claim.

Please, if you can't release your software in time and with the promised feature set, don't make bold statements to the contrary. It's unbecoming of a professional company.

[ashlar42]

Do I get things right in that using MPC-HC, Zoom Player or KMP Player one would not have problems selecting third party codecs and splitters? This concerns only WMP and MediaCenter users?
Also, a noob question if I may: on a 64 bit W7 installation one can freely mix and match 32-bit and 64-bit codecs and splitters?

[BetaBoy]

ashlar42... correct this is just a WMP and MCE issue as it relates to Media Foundation taking the priority over Directshow on certain file types in Windows 7.

[ashlar42]

Thanks BetaBoy. Proud paying client of CoreAVC and not giving a them about MS stuff then. :)

[LoRd_MuldeR]

Also, a noob question if I may: on a 64 bit W7 installation one can freely mix and match 32-bit and 64-bit codecs and splitters?

No, you can't! 32-Bit applications can only use 32-Bit filters, 64-Bit applications can only use 64-Bit filters ;)

It is impossible to mix 32-Bit and 64-Bit code within the same process! This applies to DirectShow filters, VfW Codecs, application-specific Plugins, whatever.

So given that you want to use 64-Bit MPC(-HC), your entire filter chain MUST be 64-Bit filters.

Anyway, in most cases you will be fine using a 32-Bit application with 32-Bit filters, even on a 64-Bit host. Few applications actually benefit from 64-Bit.

[DAKnn]

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[SeeMoreDigital]

I've put it up on my FTP server. Here you go: -

http://www.one.seemoredigital.net/Downloads/Win7DSFilterTweaker_1.3.zip

[-Hitman-]

Hi clsid,

Firstly thank you for your time and effort you have put in the codec selection tool you have created!!

I have been hacking win7 media playback since version 7000 using registry CSLID hacks and as we know recently Ms has now stopped some of this from working.

Currently i can fully disable Ms codecs and Media foundation interaction, so that only 3rd party codecs are used with success for WMP12 and WMC7 and all media files from MKV to AVI, currently using win7 ver 7229 x64.

I am now renaming certain Ms codec files contained within the system32 folder to get things working and use Haali, MPCVideo decoder, FFDshow video and audio, all 64bit based.

It looks like you have control over Directshow but for media foundation the mfds.dll file needs to be disabled, this stops media foundation forcing the use of certain DMO and MF codecs, which are terrible with video playback, i have also come across WMPeffects.dll also causing problems and being used with certain video files, so this is also disabled.

If i can be of any help with your project then please do ask!

Keep up the good work and hope you don't leave this behind.

[clsid]

Renaming files is a bad solution in my opinion.

Once RTM leaks I shall do more investigation on how things can be tweaked through the Registry.

[-Hitman-]

Renaming files is a bad solution in my opinion.

Once RTM leaks I shall do more investigation on how things can be tweaked through the Registry.

The only solution ATM, but it works.

Thanks.

[Thunderbolt8]

I don't have much clue about windows 7, since I haven't tested it. but I'd like to, but only If I can still use my usual video settings then. so does atm, with the current RC version, run all those filters normally, mpc with ffdshow, ac3filter, madflac, madVR, vsfilter, haali splitter and also all that stuff eac3to requires, arcsoft, nero, sonic filter, libav stuff, surcode decoder etc. (with or without installing this tool here)??

does all this run normally and only cause problems, when trying to use these filters with windows applications, or don't they run at all?

[clsid]

I don't recommend installing the RC version. It is buggy. Wait till the final version.

[St Devious]

Thank you for the wonderful tool. This should come with ffdshow once win 7 RTM is released as this issue will cause headache's for numerous people out there not aware that MS has decoders that are default. Even though i know about codecs and splitters, had ffdshow + haali installed, i couldn't figure out the problem here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=148341). Now its solved.

[Kurtnoise]

cross-posting is bad...

[St Devious]

cross-posting is bad...

:confused: sorry, i posted that to say the issue is resolved due to this soft, and any others with similar problems might find that helpful.

[abraxxa]

Just wanted to say that this tool just saved my day, THANKS!
I'd suggest to include it with ffdshow-tryouts and create an icon for it in the start menu, or integrate the features in the ffdshow audio/video control panels.

[kikistan]

strange beahavior on my 7

avi with AC3 doesn't play nicely (gibberish sounds look like digital sound in analogic)

but as soon as I rename those avi in mkv
everything runs smoothly

Any idea what is happening ?

[clsid]

Probably WMP using DirectShow instead of Media Foundation after the renaming. Or, depending on your installed filters, Haali Media Splitter being used instead of the Microsoft splitter.

[kikistan]

i'm going to reinstall seven on the 6th ....

[Keiyakusha]

I'm watching videos with MPC-HC through avisynth and without ffdshow and I have troubles with Microsoft audio decoder. If I have normal aac stereo, for some reason it likes decode it into 5.1 crap. Here is example (http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/2720375_qn1ft/hhh.7z).
So is it possible to add support for audio filters?

[clsid]

Manually edit the registry key and tell us if it works. The value for AAC has been posted somewhere in this topic.

[Keiyakusha]

Works fine on Win7 32bit with
divx aac decoder: {19987CEE-DEE8-49DC-98EC-F21380AA9E68}
and monogram: {3FC3DBBF-9D37-4CE0-8689-653FE8BAB9B3}

[clsid]

A test version with AAC support:
http://www.zshare.net/download/63657891e9f30046/

supported filters:
ffdshow, monogram, divx for regular AAC.
monogram for LATM AAC.

[Keiyakusha]

Is there any free/opensource splitters for LATM AAC?
Regular AAC works perfect. Thanks!

Edit: By the way. This is what I see when run this tool. 4 processes... this is normal?
http://www.petaimg.com/u198/509123.png

[clsid]

I don't have any LATM samples.

You should see 2 processes. It seems you ran it twice.

[Keiyakusha]

You should see 2 processes. It seems you ran it twice.

No, I ran it once. Just checked.

[BetaBoy]

I don't have any LATM samples.

You should see 2 processes. It seems you ran it twice.

If you need LATM/LOAS container samples LMK as we just added native support for the upcoming CorePlayer 2.0 release.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Here's another download link for DSFilterTweaker_1.5 (http://www.one.seemoredigital.net/Downloads/Win7DSFilterTweaker_1.5).


Cheers

[Joniii]

I don't have any LATM samples.

You should see 2 processes. It seems you ran it twice.

Same for me, 4 processes.

[Joniii]

Would it be possible to add support for replacing Windows AVCHD Splitter with Haali?

Some quick testing with build 1.5 on Ultimate RTM.

All ok with mkv files but with m2ts files only VC-1 uses ffdshow, for some reason MPEG-2 and H.264 always defaults to MS decoder.

[clsid]

No. This tool only works for decoders and only for DirectShow.

[pico]

No. This tool only works for decoders and only for DirectShow.

Hi clsid,

Is there any reason why it couldn't be expanded to splitters? Reason being that I am also trying to playback DVB content with LATM-AAC audio and I think the problem is related to the splitter rather than any decoders. This is because a default render in Graphedit brings up the Haali splitter but it doesn't produce a pin for the audio output (I'm guessing it doesn't recognise the stream).

Alternatively if there is an explanation somewhere how the registry settings work to specify what direct show filters should be used I can try doing it manually.

[clsid]

Splitters can be controlled with this key:
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Media Type\Extensions
Works on older versions of Windows as well, not just 7.

No, this tool will not include such functionality.

[KoD]

Could anyone, with access to MSDN Windows 7 images, test if these kind of problems are also present on the Windows 7 N version (the one with WMP and related filters removed)?

[St Devious]

Could anyone, with access to MSDN Windows 7 images, test if these kind of problems are also present on the Windows 7 N version (the one with WMP and related filters removed)?

just installed Windows 7 RTM. I can test. What do i need to test ?