BD-Rebuilder Guides for Tools

[jdobbs]

Cool. deanK and I have been exchanging PMs related to this and other things. If this works as well as it looks like it will, it will be implemented directly into BD-RB. Unfortunately I don't have a PS3, so I can't even test it.

[GaPony]

RE: Go BD utility... My initial PS3 tests of a full copy to BD9 for Hancock and Traitor proved unsuccessful. The discs were recognized by the PS3 as an AVCHD disc, but were still unplayable.

I'll try a few more over the weekend.

[turbojet]

Using goBD a Panasonic BD30 gave incompatible disk errors on 2 full copies, one with BD-J other with HDMV menu.
BD-J never played even before GoBD.
HDMV without GoBD plays the title logo but spits out the dvd when it gets to the menu.

[deank]

@GaPony: That's odd. I hope that at least PS3 will handle it. All my tests are successful. I first try on external HDD and then burn to DVD. Also - can you test with nero or tmt? These all scenarios work for me. What happens exactly when you play the disc?

I managed to play few BD movies and some samples turbojet provided with java menus. I can't think what can be different.. ps3 models or firmware versions or what....

My PS3 is a rather old - one of the first released in Europe on 27/03/2007 (I bought it first thing in the early morning :) ) PAL 60GB (CECHCxx (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3#Retail_configurations)) no longer in production. FW 2.60.

Also in these specs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3#Multimedia) you can see that PS3 handles:

AVCHD (.m2ts / .mts),

DVD Video (Region Locked),

BD Video format on Blu-ray disc (Region Locked),

BD Video format on DVD-ROM

So it could be burner book-type or something else preventing some PS3s to play BD video on DVD, but not hardware inability.

The more people test it - the better chance to find out what the problem is. It will be sad to leave things that way. As I said - it always worked for me.

[GaPony]

Go BD is doing something... I'm just not sure what. These same movies (before the patch) were recognized as data discs, and post-patch are recognized as AVCHD discs. Unfortunately, it just won't play. When seen as a data disc it could be explored and each .m2ts file could be played individually, but the disc cannot be explored as an AVCHD disc.

I've attached the patched index file and the original (backup) index file for Hancock (Full Movie to BD9).

I hope this helps. Let me know if you need more information.

[deank]

You can always explore any type of media by "triangle"/"Display All". My tests are with standard DVD (BD5). I'll test more next day with DVD9. When you "X" on DVD/AVCHD icon in XMB does it immediately gives error "This video content cannot be played"/"Unsupported format" or something like these?

[GaPony]

In this case the error is: "This video cannot be played (80029945)" It cannot be explored with the PS3.

Hancock may not be the best choice, since its problematic under the best case scenario. I'm working on a an "easier" movie now and I'll run it to BD5.

[deank]

You're right. When USB hdd is used then you can browse.

There is something I found out just now. It seems there is a PAL/NTSC flag in the extended part of an AVCHD index.bdmv and goBD sets it to NTSC.

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/gobd.jpg

I'll update the link so if anyone wants to try with the new version in a bit.

Here is a link to the new one. (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/goBD.exe) It is just the .exe. You'll need calclib.dll (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/calclib.dll) if you deleted the former.

[GaPony]

The link doesn't work...

[deank]

Sorry the server is down. I changed it to my server. It should work.

[GaPony]

Thanks... its working now.. :)

[turbojet]

Same incompatible disk error on panasonic BD30 with either 00100 or 00200.

Gapony: did you mean the link is working now or goBD is working for PS3 now?

[deank]

I updated the .exe so now 0100 will be applied to movieobject/clpi/mpls files. Give it a try when you have time.

[saphire199]

I can post a small tool I wrote for those willing to test with their BD players and/or Playstation3. It will make a full movie backup to play as expected - with no glitches either from DVD5/9 or USB hdd. I believe jdobbs will include it in some of next BDRB versions.

Here it is.

http://212.36.7.36/sub/new/goBD.jpg
(http://212.36.7.36/sub/new/goBD-tool.exe)

Self-extractable .7zip. Contains: goBD.exe (74KB) and calclib.dll (http://www.calcitapp.com/) (1,4MB). If you're going to test on PS3 with USB hdd you need to apply AVCHDme or some other tool that will make filenames 8.3. For DVD - just burn it and see for yourself.

It will touch only your main index.bdmv file. If it doesn't work you may try processing index.bdmv in BACKUP folder, as it is not processed. No other files are changed in any way. The tool adds a small portion of information to force your player in AVCHD mode, but once in this mode player should treat the content as it is (be it BD or AVCHD) despite AVCHD restrictions. I hope someone will go forward and test it with their stand-alone-player and then report. It works flawlessly in PS3.

Dean

Can you please outline when in the processing of the movie to use goBD? Is it after you have encoded with BD RB? Or before?

Also, just doublechecking - if you are burning right to disk, you don't need to apply the AVCHDme tool if you do have PS3? And if you do need to use the tool, where would this go in the steps?

Sorry if this seems obvious to everyone else, I just want to make sure.

[deank]

Please do not use goBD if everything works for you. It is a test tool for those having problems with full/movie-only backups that will not play on their sap/ps3.

You can use goBD before writing BD-RB output to DVD or after you copy the output to external USB HDD.

You need AVCHDme ONLY when writing to USB/SD card/MS card - never for optical media as DVD/BD.

1) Use BD-RB on your movie backup
2) Write to DVD and test in you PS3/SAP
3) If movie doesn't play then you go to 4)
4) Apply goBD to index.bdmv (stored on you HDD) - also set movie type PAL/NTSC and check the INDX0100 checkbox
5) Write again to DVD or copy to USB and test with PS3/SAP.

[turbojet]

Same incompatible disk error on Panasonic BD30 with latest goBD and 0100 checked.

[saphire199]

Please do not use goBD if everything works for you. It is a test tool for those having problems with full/movie-only backups that will not play on their sap/ps3.



If I burn a movie only, it plays on my PS3, either DVD 5 or 9. I tried making a full backup with Space Chimps and PS3 saw it as a data disk only. That is why I wanted to try goBD to see if it would help with full movie back up.

Now I know this might be a bit off topic, but I am not familiar with Nero and am having a hard time picking out which methods I should be using to burn BD data to a DVD. Which Nero are you using? If you could help me out on this, I would appreciate it. I have been using Imgburn, which is very easy for all my burning, but I see that you mention using nero, so I want to stay with the same methods as you to see what happens. Thank you.

[deank]

I never said anything about Nero Burning Rom - I always use ImgBurn. Probably I mentioned Nero Showtime for playback testing before burning to DVD.

[saphire199]

[QUOTE=deank; I first try on external HDD and then burn to DVD. Also - can you test with nero or tmt? These all scenarios work for me. What happens exactly when you play the disc?
.[/QUOTE]

OK, this is what threw me off. I see now you are talking about testing the viewing, not the burning with Nero.

To continue with Space Chimps I reencoded the full movie with BD RB (20gb to 4.17gb). Showed up on PS3 as data disk. Then used goBD and re-burned. Now the disk doesn't show up at all - I mean I put it in, the PS3 doesn't even show there is a disk in the drive. Streams do play with Nero. Any ideas?

[deank]

Well, I'm out of ideas. Can you copy this content to USB disc, apply AVCHDme/AVCHD_Manager and try with PS3?

[saphire199]

Well, I'm out of ideas. Can you copy this content to USB disc, apply AVCHDme/AVCHD_Manager and try with PS3?

I suppose I could do this, but unless this will somehow help you find an answer, it is not worth it for me. I don't want to use a USB connection to my PS3 to contain movies, I want a DVD library. If there is not a way to copy a full movie back up to DVD5 or 9, I will just use it for movie-only and if I want a full disk back up, I will do it on BD25. To me, that seems the simplest solution at this point.

[Furiousflea]

Updated guide a bit hope it's of use

[ibanez]

[deleted - worked out that m2ts files do not contain chapter information which is why I don't have chapters when playing the m2ts file - will try converting to MKV and importing chapters from eac3to if using with WD TV media player.]

[A.Fenderson]

Updated guide a bit hope it's of use

Great guide, thank you. :)

[Furiousflea]

Great guide, thank you. :)

Pleasure...will be adding pics and stuff soon. Just need to get some spare time to settle down and use this thing in my head called a brain lol.

[GaPony]

Come on... just how much time does it take to fill the brain of a flea... even a furious one? :D

[Furiousflea]

Come on... just how much time does it take to fill the brain of a flea... even a furious one? :D

ohhh but I'm a very furious one. :angry:

;) will do it today :)

[A.Fenderson]

I'm trying to make a BD9 copy of my HD-DVD of 12 Monkeys: after I extract the streams and try to drag them over into tsMuxeR GUI 1.84, the subtitle track causes an error "Unsupported Format: Can't detect stream type. File name: "C:...1_7_subtitle.sup" So I left the subs off--any thoughts on this?

I did find one issue that may give you cause to revise the HD-DVD -> Blu-ray section of your guide: since you stated that I could safely skip the step of specifying the language of the audio track I'm using in tsMuxer, I did skip it: after I mux everything, when I try importing the resulting BD structure into BD-Rebuilder, it recognizes the presence of an audio track (AC3, converted from original EAC3) but puts a red "x" on it, and my resulting m2ts/bd9-burn both have no sound at all--I believe this to be a result of the fact that tsMuxer doesn't tag it with a language type (since I don't force it to), then (as per your recommendations in the main body of the guide) I instruct BD-Rebuilder to throw out all audio tracks aside from those tagged as my native language--hence no sound. If instead I specify that the audio is in fact "English" when in tsMuxer, then the audio track appears with its proper icon when shown in BD-Rebuilder (and presumably it will not be stripped from the final disc, but I have to reencode to verify).

Thanks for the guide! :-)

[setarip_old]

@A.Fenderson

Hi!it recognizes the presence of an audio track (AC3, converted from original EAC3) but puts a red "x" on itHave you tried simply clicking on the red "X"?

[pkho]

I updated the .exe so now 0100 will be applied to movieobject/clpi/mpls files. Give it a try when you have time.

Tried your latest GoBD with no luck.

Test Full movie of Quantum of Solace on BD5.

Before patch PS3 see the disc as Data disc.

After GoBD patch PS3's HDD flash for a while then nothing as if there is no disc inside.

But TMT can playback both before and after BD5 disc with all menus and extras. Only problem is that I have downsize from 1080p to 720p so subtitles and popup menu appeared extra large.

Any progress?

[deank]

I PM'd you.

[GaPony]

deank,

I hope you can get this working for the US version of the PS3. You'll be a real popular guy. :)

[deank]

The index file I got from pkho is entirely BD-J - no HDMV titles. I doubt that such content will ever play on PS3 if burnt to DVD media.

[A.Fenderson]

@A.Fenderson

Hi!Have you tried simply clicking on the red "X"?

No, I didn't try that, but it was simple and fast enough to mux again and provide the necessary language type, and BD-Rebuilder then seems to incorporate the audio since it matches the specified language to keep. Or I could have just changed the setting in BD-Rebuilder to allow any type of audio, but it was late at night and I wasn't thinking clearly. ;-)

[Badness]

Have a question concerning BDRebuilder, which I know is still Beta, but not sure if it is a program issue or maybe I missed something. I am backing up the movie Troy, which is over 3 hrs long, so i did a "Move Only" on a BD9. I expeceted the .m2ts file to be around 8.5GB, but the resulting file ended up being 6.5GB. Any reason why this may have happened? Also, one more thing concerning the burn. It says to burn the "Working Directory" of BDRebuilder on IMGBurn, however that all the files in the directory add up to 15GB, plus the structure of the output directory doesn't have the Bluray Folder structure. Am I missing something? Thanks again.

[A.Fenderson]

Not sure about the size, unless the latest beta moved down the target size for BD9 or something strange happened like your audio didn't get remuxed...? Last time I made several BD9s with default size target, they all ended up being right around "7.5GB" or 8,000 MB.
You don't want to burn the working directory since it has both the full set of actual "working" files and the completed BD-structure within it (like you said, it's twice the size of a dual layer DVD). Look for the new folder that is named similarly to the folder you told BD to look for the rip in (it should contain a BDMV folder and some other folder within it)--use the contents of this folder as the root of the disc you're burning.

[Badness]

Not sure about the size, unless the latest beta moved down the target size for BD9 or something strange happened like your audio didn't get remuxed...? Last time I made several BD9s with default size target, they all ended up being right around "7.5GB" or 8,000 MB.
You don't want to burn the working directory since it has both the full set of actual "working" files and the completed BD-structure within it (like you said, it's twice the size of a dual layer DVD). Look for the new folder that is named similarly to the folder you told BD to look for the rip in (it should contain a BDMV folder and some other folder within it)--use the contents of this folder as the root of the disc you're burning.

Thanks Fenderson. You were spot on as the Troy final directory was there next to the Working Files and I never looked in there. The m2ts file in there was a good length. Appreciated the prompt response.

[archaeo]

How about your BDRB output to DVD5?
Are you guys getting close to a full disc?
BDRebuilder is outputting my DVD5 BD's at around 4.15Gb consistently - very little variation. Any recommendation on what settings I might tweak to bump that up closer to 4.33 or so?

[Furiousflea]

How about your BDRB output to DVD5?
Are you guys getting close to a full disc?
BDRebuilder is outputting my DVD5 BD's at around 4.15Gb consistently - very little variation. Any recommendation on what settings I might tweak to bump that up closer to 4.33 or so?

4480 ;)

This, if targetting is bang on will give you 4.37GB which is the capacity of a DVD+R. I'd go for 4430...

That is if you really are hitting that same 4.15 give or take 20mb.

[A.Fenderson]

Good to know for custom-sized BD5--I haven't tried any yet.

What value is anyone finding ideal for custom size to fit on BD9 and squeeze every last bit of space out of the disk? The default size consistently comes out in the same small range, but a bit on the small size relative to the available disc space--I hate to waste any space on the disc. I think I once got "8200" to work, but wondering if with the small variation in output size if this has ever backfired and gone slightly over, and if so what would be ideal.

[Furiousflea]

Good to know for custom-sized BD5--I haven't tried any yet.

What value is anyone finding ideal for custom size to fit on BD9 and squeeze every last bit of space out of the disk? The default size consistently comes out in the same small range, but a bit on the small size relative to the available disc space--I hate to waste any space on the disc. I think I once got "8200" to work, but wondering if with the small variation in output size if this has ever backfired and gone slightly over, and if so what would be ideal.

8140 is the capacity of a DVD9.

However, like doing DVD5s (but moreso) your output can vary.

With 8140 set I have output ranging from 7.8GB-8.1GB. Generally around 7.9GB. It's not worth going any higher and, to me at least it doesn't feel right going any lower :)

I used to use 8200, but I think jdobbs has changed the calculation to more truely represent what your output will be so using that will certainly give you oversize in a lot of cases. I find that the more m2ts your backup has the more chance of oversize occuring.

If your disc consists of basically a trailer and the movie for example. It's a good idea to try 8120\8140 (if your feeling adventurous lol)

[archaeo]

4480 ;)

This, if targetting is bang on will give you 4.37GB which is the capacity of a DVD+R. I'd go for 4430...

That is if you really are hitting that same 4.15 give or take 20mb.

will give that a go :thanks:

[A.Fenderson]

8140 is the capacity of a DVD9.
...
I used to use 8200, but I think jdobbs has changed the calculation to more truely represent what your output will be so using that will certainly give you oversize in a lot of cases. I find that the more m2ts your backup has the more chance of oversize occuring.

If your disc consists of basically a trailer and the movie for example. It's a good idea to try 8120\8140 (if your feeling adventurous lol)

Great, thanks for the info--I've only ever done "movie only" backups, so I guess that's why they were all coming out to a very predictable, consistent size; didn't realize more m2ts's would cause potential variation in output size, good to know!

[Furiousflea]

Great, thanks for the info--I've only ever done "movie only" backups, so I guess that's why they were all coming out to a very predictable, consistent size; didn't realize more m2ts's would cause potential variation in output size, good to know!

I must stress there is no hard and fast rule. I'm sure someone will come along and say that it's not strictly true. But for all intents and purposes...

More m2ts\extras\audio\sub tracks = more variation :)

Good luck!

[kyoshiro378]

anyone know what this problem. please tell me.... i hope got tjis answer. thanks...

[Furiousflea]

anyone know what this problem. please tell me.... i hope got tjis answer. thanks...

Next time upload your jpeg screenshots to a free image hosting service so we can help you straight away and save bandwidth for doom9.org. If you must use an attachment, at least give an explanation of the problem.

[kyoshiro378]

son you know this problem mr furiousflea. can you help me mr?

[ozmale]

Guys.
This is a little hard to explain. When using BD rebuilder if you wanted say "french" subtitles to be included you would just select them in setup etc.
However some English sound track films often just have a couple of words often spoken in a different language but not a full subtitle.

To ensure these are included in other transccoders (e.g. Clonedvd2) you select "Unspecified Subtitle". Can anyone tell me what to select to get them included in BD rebuilder?

There seems to be a number of English catagories in the subtitle list.

[Furiousflea]

Guys.
This is a little hard to explain. When using BD rebuilder if you wanted say "french" subtitles to be included you would just select them in setup etc.
However some English sound track films often just have a couple of words often spoken in a different language but not a full subtitle.

To ensure these are included in other transccoders (e.g. Clonedvd2) you select "Unspecified Subtitle". Can anyone tell me what to select to get them included in BD rebuilder?

There seems to be a number of English catagories in the subtitle list.

Technically, well, normally really they are called "forced subtitles". Anyways...I nope I don't think BDRB distinguishes between the different types...e.g SDH\Forced\Normal subs...

They will just appear as another subtitle track in your language...

Personally speaking, I just leave all the subs for my language (english) and forget about it...They don't take up that much space.

[Category 5]

Technically, well, normally really they are called "forced subtitles". Anyways...I nope I don't think BDRB distinguishes between the different types...e.g SDH\Forced\Normal subs...

They will just appear as another subtitle track in your language...

Personally speaking, I just leave all the subs for my language (english) and forget about it...They don't take up that much space.

...but how do you get them to be forced? I did a movie only backup and must select sub track 2 manually. On the original disc they are forced.

I see an option under "movie only" for forced subs, but it is always greyed out.