MakeMKV - Blu-ray/DVD/Hd-dvd decryptor and remuxer

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@JustinChase

Hi!

The following is from a post by "Mike Chen" at the MakeMKV Forum:

http://www.makemkv.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=808

[JustinChase]

thanks.

I saw that post, and downloaded the program, but couldn't get the subtitles out. I ran mkvinfo and mvkmerge (the only 2 programs shown in the start menu/programs list), but neither one seemed to get me the subtitles in a way i could use.

I'm sure I'm doing something wrong, but my brain kinda hurts from all this, so I gave up and asked for help :)

If you could let me know, with a bit more detail/specifics how to proceed with the mkv file that was created, I would appreciate it.

Also, since makemkv is not currently getting/ripping/saving the forced subtitles, how might i get them located and muxed back into the mkv?

Also, can anyone confirm that there is no magic bullet here, that I'm not just missing the "right" codec or filter or player or something that will handle/read the subs as they currently exist?

Is there any way to use the dll from the PowerDVD v7 software that came with my drive to handle this; without having to have the entire program installed? Will it recognize/play a mkv file? I've not yet tried.

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@Justin Chase

You're a member at the MakeMKV Forum. Therefore, I'd suggest you direct these questions to "Mike Chen" at that forum.

(Sounds like you've somehow overlooked installing the "MKVExtract" utility)

[JustinChase]

@Justin Chase

You're a member at the MakeMKV Forum. Therefore, I'd suggest you direct these questions to "Mike Chen" at that forum.

(Sounds like you've somehow overlooked installing the "MKVExtract" utility)

I am, I have, and I thought it was in the mkvtoolnix tools, but I guess not. I have just found it and will try it soon (just got home from work).

Thanks for the help with this.

My other questions still stand, however. Is there any other/better/faster/easier way to get subtitles to work from the results of makeMKV?

Is this the best/fastest/easiest/cleanest way to get subtitles playing in my directshow capable player (J River Media Center)?

Is it possible to just get the pgs subs working in anything, other than PowerDVD, or similar? I very much like JRMC, for many other reasons, and would prefer/need to stick with it. It is a quite capable player, and seems to play nice with directshow and settings, so if there is a filter or something that I can just install to get the pgs subs working, that would obviously be ideal? (I'm assuming if there were, I would have found it in my research, but it never hurts to ask)

And finally, what about forced subs. I understand they will be implemented soon, but what about titles already ripped, is there a way to add forced subs for those, or will they need re-ripped in the upcoming version?

Thanks again for reading and any help :)

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@Justin Chase

If you were addressing me with your most recent post, I'll simply reiterate:

You're a member at the MakeMKV Forum. Therefore, I'd suggest you direct these questions to "Mike Chen" at that forum.

If you were not addressing me, my apologies. Perhaps another member f the Doom9 Forums can provide you with specific answers...

[JustinChase]

@Justin Chase

If you were addressing me with your most recent post, I'll simply reiterate:

You're a member at the MakeMKV Forum. Therefore, I'd suggest you direct these questions to "Mike Chen" at that forum.

If you were not addressing me, my apologies. Perhaps another member f the Doom9 Forums can provide you with specific answers...

I do appreciate your help, and I will also reiterate my answer to the first time you suggested this.

I am (a member of the makemkv forums), I have (made a post about it there - it's here, and you replied to it :) ... http://www.makemkv.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=315&start=15).

I understand you probably didn't realize it was me you posted after since you were answering someone elses question.

However, I didn't get any responses to my questions there, nor here, just your suggestions that I ask somewhere else.

I know that the folks who are experienced with this process and these tools get tired of answering dumb newbie questions, and I don't blame them, nor do I expect anyone to answer mine, I just figure that someone might come along and read this and have some input for me. I'm sure many people have had troubles with getting subtitles to work at some point, but none of the posts or guides or suggestions or blogs or anything really gave me any concrete answers to my specific questions. lots and lots of information, but so far I haven't found a definitive answer if there is a way to do this with the right codec, or use a pdvd codec in a directshow player, or that I'm just not using the right codec, or that it's just not possible to playback pgs subtitles wrapped in an mkv container.

I will keep trying things and reading and learning, and appreciate any more suggestions, every bit helps :)

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@JustinChase

I've redirected you to ask your question specifically of "Mike Chen" because he's the author/publisher of the program as well as the administrator of the MakeMKV Forum - and there's nothing better than getting the answer from the guy who wrote and/or published the program. Although he's sometimes a bit slow in responding, he eventually does so...

[JustinChase]

it seems that "Mike Chen" is following up on many/most posts in his forums, and I specifically quoted one of his replies in my post on his site. I'm not sure what else I need to do to get his attention, short of starting a new post, which seemed unnecessary as it is already being discussed in the post to which I replied.

With that being said, I appreciate that "Mike Chen" is a very knowledgeable person about this, and is obviously someone who's input I would very much like to have; but I don't think he is the ONLY person who could have input into these questions.

They are not necessarily related to his program, other than it was his program that extracted the streams and saved them in the mkv. Obviously if he could extract and/or save them in a more "usable" format that would be great, but that is/was not my question.

So, once again, the questions are...

Is there any other/better/faster/easier way to get subtitles to easily work from the results of makeMKV generated mkv files?

Is converting the subs to sub or srt the best/fastest/easiest/cleanest way to get subtitles playing in my directshow capable player (J River Media Center)?

Is it possible to just get the pgs subs working in anything, as they are, other than PowerDVD, or similar? I very much like JRMC, for many other reasons, and would prefer/need to stick with it. It is a quite capable player, and seems to play nice with directshow and settings, so if there is a filter or codec or splitter or something that I can just install to get the pgs subs working, that would obviously be ideal? (I'm assuming if there were, I would have found it in my research, but it never hurts to ask)

And finally, what about forced subs? I understand they will be implemented soon, but what about titles already ripped, is there a way to add forced subs to these existing files, or will they need re-ripped in the upcoming version?

Again, these are not questions that must be answered by the author of the program that created them, they are questions for the community at large about if and how it's possible to play the pgs subtitles as they exist currently.

Any help with these questions is greatly appreciated, and another suggestion to ask "Mike Chen" these questions is unnecessary.

thanks again.

[mrbass]

To get those you take those .sups ripped from the mkv (ripped bluray from makemkv) by using mkvextract which is included in the newest released version 3.1.0 released Jan 19th, 2010 of mkvtoolnix.

http://membo.org/i/b1/mkvextractsubs.png

about 50MB each...since they're image PGS format.

So then use on windows Optical Character Recognition to convert them to text stream SRT format using SubRip (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=142819). In SubRip just play with the parameters till you get it ok then hit spacebar after each correction you make. It's gets smarter as you go so it doesn't take too long once you adjust to OCR'ing them quickly.


Then mux them in your encode with Handbrake adding external SRT subs or do your encode then anytime later remux them in with mkvtoolnix (mkvmerge).

To address your question about forced subs yes they can be added later by remuxing the mkv. Basically in Handbrake or in mkvtoolnix (mkvmerge) you just set the Force flag to enable them. We just need to wait for makemkv to properly recognize them to properly extract them like you mentioned earlier.

[JustinChase]

I downloaded the newest mvktoolnix - v3.1, and it ripped the sups perfectly. Then I opened the .sup files in BDSup2Sub and converted them to .sub files, and it also created a .idx file for each stream. The newest MKVMerge will accept these .sub (actually the .idx) files and mux them right into the MKV for me, along with the original pgs subs, and unfortunately none of the subs worked. I them muxed them in the mkv again, but this time, I removed the pgs subs and that worked fine.

Unfortunately I don't want to delete the original and lose the pgs subs since I figure someone will figure out how to just use them directly in the mkv, and I usually prefer the "original" format when possible. this means I need to keep the original file, or perhaps I can just mux the subs into a new small file with just them in there.

then I wondered if the order mattered; so i re-muxed them again - putting the subs BEFORE the pgs sup files, and that worked a treat. If I select one of the pgs streams it won't play and my player complains, but the sub streams work fine. the forced subs were set as the default, which was easy enough.

I never bothered trying to OCR them, as I don't really understand the point of it, the converted files play just fine, as far as i can see.

although these couple of extra steps are required, it's certainly not too time-consuming or difficult, once you find the right tools (and brush up on my command line skills), it's pretty easy to get a fully functional mkv and I'm keeping the originals within the file, so that if/when the pgs subs can be played directly, I can just re-mux the stripped subs back out and I'm done.

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@JustinChase

Please see my question to you about this topic (subtitles) at the MakeMKV forum.

Thanks.

[deets]

seems they have changed it to a pay model and this appears to be for any of the blu ray functions.

[setarip_old]

Personally, I'm surprised they kept the full package (DVD and BluRay capabilities) as free of charge for as long as they did.

I understand that other than BluRay, ALL functions (regarding DVD, streaming, AVCHD) will continue to be free of charge - forever...

[ron spencer]

downloaded latest version..still says beta

if payware now is it final? Still says over 53 days until expiry

[setarip_old]

@ron spencer

From what I've seen, the author doesn't frequent the Doom9 Forum very often. Therefore, if I may, I'd suggest you ask your question at the MakeMKV site...

[deets]

Personally, I'm surprised they kept the full package (DVD and BluRay capabilities) as free of charge for as long as they did.

I understand that other than BluRay, ALL functions (regarding DVD, streaming, AVCHD) will continue to be free of charge - forever...

wasnt a promise made that some of the bluray function would forever be free?

[setarip_old]

@deets

Hi!

If you go to the MakeMKV homepage, as I just did, you'll see the following:Functionality to open DVD discs is free and will always stay free.
All features (including Blu-ray decryption and processing) are free during BETA.

[deets]

yeah i see :) was on here i thought something was said about bluray.

not thats its really a bad thing, competition should help lower costs as anydvd had a strangle hold.

[ron spencer]

@deets

Hi!

If you go to the MakeMKV homepage, as I just did, you'll see the following:

so it is still beta then...I suspect the buy page is up just to get ready. All functions work for me.

[deets]

so it is still beta then...I suspect the buy page is up just to get ready. All functions work for me.

no the new version is limited to 30 day trial...

[Lincoln Burrows]

Hey folks, have you tried to use MakeMKV with Star Trek: TOS (Blu-ray)? This specific release features multiple angles on all episodes. You have the choice between watching them with or without the new special effects that were made for this.

I have the unencrypted files stored (AACS directory not present) in my HDD. When MakeMKV opens the file index.bdmv located on the BDMV folder (should I open that one or MovieObject.bdmv ? Or maybe another from the folders AUXDATA/BACKUP/BDJO/CLIPINFO/JAR/META/PLAYLIST? It can't be the STREAM folder since MakeMKV didn't recognized any files readable from there.

Anyway, when I open index.bdmv on MakeMKV, that's the report:

File 00000.mpls (angle 1) was added as title #0
File 00000.mpls (angle 2) was added as title #1
File 00001.mpls (angle 1) was added as title #2
File 00001.mpls (angle 2) was added as title #3
File 00002.mpls (angle 1) was added as title #4
File 00002.mpls (angle 2) was added as title #5
File 00003.mpls (angle 1) was added as title #6
File 00003.mpls (angle 2) was added as title #7
File 00009.mpls was added as title #8
File 00300.mpls was added as title #9
File 00301.mpls was added as title #10
File 00143.m2ts was added as title #11
File 00144.m2ts was added as title #12
File 00145.m2ts was added as title #13
File 00146.m2ts was added as title #14
File 00147.m2ts was added as title #15
File 00148.m2ts was added as title #16
File 00160.m2ts was added as title #17
File 00161.m2ts was added as title #18
File 00162.m2ts was added as title #19
File 00163.m2ts was added as title #20
File 00164.m2ts was added as title #21
File 00167.m2ts was added as title #22
File 00169.m2ts was added as title #23
File 00173.m2ts was added as title #24
File 00175.m2ts was added as title #25
File 00176.m2ts was added as title #26
File 00180.m2ts was added as title #27
File 00203.m2ts was added as title #28And look at this picture:

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/3822/imagemfqe.png

Since I wasn't sure what should be selected (and as you can see, the second angle from each episode, along with the DTS-HD Losless english audio), are always disabled by default. Same goes for the DD 2.0 english audio. That's when I had the idea to select everything you are seeing in the picture above, except for the dubbed tracks (spanish/french). My primary goal was to remove those dubbing tracks, and that's all. But in the end, MakeMKV generated a folder with 59.4 GB:

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/442/imagem66666q.png

The original BDMV/STREAM had 34.4 GB. Which means that instead of using a single MKV, MakeMKV created two, one for each angle.

But what should I do in this case? I mean, should I select the DD 2.0 english track as you can see in the picture? What about the DTS-HD tracks? And the 2nd angle? I don't want anything at all left out.

And as far as I am concerned, each episode has all those tracks:

English: DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1
English: Dolby Digital Mono
French: Dolby Digital Mono
Spanish: Dolby Digital MonoBut it would appear that MPC-HC is offering me two of those tracks to be selected as you can see below:

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/5484/imagem2ff.png
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8027/imagem3es.png

Once again, that was how I did while using MakeMKV:

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/9528/imagem4sy.png

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Some things I noticed: The extra features are pixelating (using MPC-HC and DXVA), plus they are making any player crashes when you start jumping to another time. I didn't noticed this bug with the main episodes, using 1920x1080 res., only with those 720x480 (SD). Codec used is VC-1, for all of them. It looks like the extra features are somehow unstable to be played. In this case, there's no second angle. Please check that for yourself.

Plus, there's no sign of the subtitles embedded on any of the MKV files generated. They can't be displayed, using MPC or BSPlayer PRO. Any idea how can we fix it? I tried to use (and disable VobSub), plus changing between VMR-9 renderless and VMR-7, and no luck.

[setarip_old]

@Lincoln Burrowsthere's no sign of the subtitles embedded on any of the MKV files generated.

See the response to "sidrack" at the MakeMKV foum...

[Swin]

I'd love that function too, but since menu support on Matroska is (nearly) inexistent (at least there's no player that can play the menus...) and Matroska 2.0 should "soon(tm)" be revealed with proper Menu support I'd rather wait and hope that in ~1 year we can finally fully convert a whole DVD to mkv without losing anything other than the copy-protection.

Until then I'm going to wait and still archive my DVDs as ISO, even though it hurts a bit inside to have this great container but noone seems to want/insist on that feature which for me is crucial I'd say.

I second the support for menus. I would love to backup an entire DVD with all navigation menus and all features retained, yet with the video compressed using H.264.

I nearly wet my pants when I initially read about this program thinking it would do just that. Looks like I blew too soon!

[deekey777]

MakeMKV 1.5.4 produces again broken MKVs (Win 7 x64), which crash the Windows Explorer. This problem was fixed with 1.5.3, so it's back.

[Mike Chen]

MakeMKV 1.5.4 produces again broken MKVs (Win 7 x64), which crash the Windows Explorer. This problem was fixed with 1.5.3, so it's back.
There were no MKV-related changes in 1.5.4 at all. Something else confuses windows thumbnailer.

[setarip_old]

@butterfly320

Hi! so far AnyDVD HD was the only program that can do MKBv9This is incorrect. Both DVDFab and MakeMKV have also been capable of processing such BluRay discs, as well as those using ALL subsequent keys up to and including MKB v.17, since the day those keys were first used...

[frank]

MakeMKV starts chapter numbers from 0.

Please correct that.
Normally chapters start at number 1.

[Lincoln Burrows]

I have a question about this:

http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/4893/ddstreams.jpg

TrueHD vs. other track. I am sure someone must have asked this before and explanations aside, this question will be simple.

I want to have one exact copy from my Blu-ray disc already decrypted, but everything saved on Matroska.

However, this exact copy will not have additional tracks and subtitles. Only the original audio (english) and another one I choose (like spanish). Only english subtitles. Additional tracks are dubbings that have no use to me: french, german, etc. I am doing this to save disk space and to watch those Blu-ray movies in any player using MKV containers instead of leaving BDMV/STREAM/lots of m2Ts on the Hard Drive.

Since I want one exact copy in the terms above, should I select TrueHD 5.1 English and DD 3/2+1 English or not? Please note that MakeMKV by default only selects "DD 3/2+1 English".

I am not looking for explanations such as "unless you're playing this audio track via high-end audio receiver with...". All I want to know is if I need to select both or just one of them (and which one?) for what I need - a exact copy. And if by doing that MakeMKV will provide me that exact copy.

[SamuriHL]

The short answer is "both". There's a much longer explanation as to why this isn't entirely correct for an "exact" copy when it comes to TrueHD, but, there's not much you can do about it anyway. Both will give you as "exact" as possible. For DTS-HD MA only the DTS-HD MA track is necessary, not the core DTS track. For TrueHD, as I said, it's much more complicated. So both will be the better option in that case.

[Ghitulescu]

There is something I noticed in the homepage of MakeMKV.

Computer administrator privileges are required on Windows to run the beta version. This is limitation of Windows SCSI application programming interface. Eventually MakeMKV will not require administrator privileges to run.

Could someone explain me how is it possible to remove the Windows SCSI-API limitations with a final version of an user software?

[manolito]

New version 1.60 is out...

Cheers
manolito

[setarip_old]

For those of us who have been seeking the means for easily backing up our HD-DVD collections, the time has come ;>}

MakeMKV v.1.6 can successfully back up many, if not most, HD-DVDs...

[tetsuo55]

It still fails on my Van Helsing, but The Scorpion King seems to be working

[stax76]

German DVD 'Running Scared' also still fails.

[SamuriHL]

I was going to play with the HD DVD functionality today, as well. Those having problems, I suggest posting a thread on the MakeMKV forum and detail the issues with logs so that Mike can make fix it.

[tetsuo55]

he already has mine, the erorrs are the same for those that failed

[SamuriHL]

Ok, just making sure. Thanks!

[Lincoln Burrows]

I am having a strange issue with MAKEMKV.

I attempted to convert a decrypted TV show and every single episode did not displayed any of the 2 subtitles (PT/English). When you watch the decrypted files with MPC-HC, all yellow subtitles are displayed fine. When you try watching the Matroska files, they are gone.

But I used VLC Player instead of MPC, and they were all displayed. But here's my problem: they were almost fading!

What happened exactly, and why MPC can't display them, like VLC? Is there a way to fix this, or it's some kind of bug with some subtitles?

If there isn't a way to fix, can you recommend other software/alternative to convert this to Matroska (with all subtitles displayed properly)?

[setarip_old]

@Lincoln Burrows

What you've described is clearly a player problem (plays under VLC, doesn't play under MPC), and not a MakeMKV problem...

[Lincoln Burrows]

@Lincoln Burrows

What you've described is clearly a player problem (plays under VLC, doesn't play under MPC), and not a MakeMKV problem... I don't get it. It isn't a MPC-HC problem, since all kinds of subtitles are being displayed by it.

http://i.imgur.com/5DYrV.png

http://i.imgur.com/XmRBi.png

The first image is how VLC is displaying either the DVD subtitles or the Matroska subtitles.

The second image is how MPC-HC is displaying all DVD subtitles. MPC is not displaying any subtitle from the Matroska file.

Do you have any idea why or how can I fix this? If it's displaying subtitles from other MKV files, why it is refusing now?

[setarip_old]

MPC is not displaying any subtitle from the Matroska file. I believe that, more accurately, your MPC player isn't capable of displaying PGS subtitles (standard graphic format for Blu-ray subtitles)...

[Lincoln Burrows]

I believe that, more accurately, your MPC player isn't capable of displaying PGS subtitles (standard graphic format for Blu-ray subtitles)... This is the kind of subtitle I am using in this MKV file:

Codec ID : S_VOBSUB
Codec ID/Info : The same subtitle format used on DVDsAnd so far, MPC was capable of displaying all kinds of subtitles, including the ones from Blu-rays. This is only happening with this title (if any of you want to do a check, it's Ally McBeal, season 3, Region 4-NTSC - maybe the R1 version is similar).

Edit: confirmed to be displayed also using MPlayer. I am posting here:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=123537&page=913

It's a MPC problem.

[Lincoln Burrows]

Well, it seems I have no luck with subtitles. I have discovered that MakeMKV is unable to detect and convert to Matroska data from closed-caption subtitles, as I explained here:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=162848

[setarip_old]

Perhaps you should have searched that MakeMKV forum before posting there (as well as posting here):

http://www.makemkv.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?p=11281#p11281

[Lincoln Burrows]

I saw a thread where he claims this is on the "to-do list", but not this one.

Anyway, I made another discovery: it's possible to extract the contents from CC subtitles into SRT files. However (and I am glad I caught this right away, otherwise I would have wasted a lot of time), VobSub software is missing a few lines from the episode, and those lines are no different from others. They were simply forgotten while the whole thing was extracted. I also notice for example several YYYY along with the rest of the text which clearly indicates it can't extract 100% right, perhaps there's some garbage in every subtitle that can't be avoided.

I am guessing I am just going to have to stick with a VIDEO_TS folder instead of Matroska files... again.

EDIT:

Well, it seems I found a way to do what I want!
http://ccextractor.sourceforge.net/ccextractor_for_windows.html

This CCExtractorGUI is reading VOB files and extracting (with more precision than VobSub, and no missing lines) the CC contents!

The only problem I had was the fact that it cannot process multiple titles at once (in this case I am dealing with a DVD with 4 episodes of 45 minutes each).

So I had to use DVDFab and reconvert the DVD into a customized one with a single episode, and two VOB files:

VTS_01_1.VOB with 1 GB
VTS_01_2.VOB with 700 MB

Otherwise, if I add all VOB files from the current DVD (7 GB), the final SRT file will have 2 hours for example, combining all subtitles/lines, creating a single file.

Someone offered this solution and others here (http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/220473-How-to-rip-closed-captions-from-a-DVD).

[setarip_old]

Congratulations on your (finally) effective use of search functions ;>}

[Lincoln Burrows]

Congratulations on your (finally) effective use of search functions ;>} I haven't found what I was looking for. This is a workaround and it works nice, but in my case it is going to waste more time since I am dealing with a TV show. But it's better than nothing. ;)

[Chetwood]

Like I mentioned here (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1533499&postcount=3), there's no need for you to rip all eps into one VOB.

[Lincoln Burrows]

I was told once, by SamuriHL (see posts 278 and 279):
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1418937&highlight=truehd#post1418937

But what about this one?

http://i.imgur.com/fGlZy.png

We also have the core track, but I never saw a DTS-HD HRA XBR before (besides Mrs. Doubtfire (1993)). In this case I am checking the 1st season from TV show Torchwood (also in Blu-ray). Should I also select the first track only? What is HRA XBR?

[SamuriHL]

It would have a dts core as well. It's just another type of dts HD track.

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