Help with creating BD5/BD9 and x264 profiles

[ricardo.santos]

Hi everyone!

I know BD5/BD9 has been discussed before but this is a different situation.

I backup my dvds using divx, normally getting 4 or 5 movies in one DVD5, but now i would like to backup the dvds to MPEG4 AVC using x264 but i dont know which tools or profiles to use.

Im buying either a ps3 or a standalone bluray player in the future, so is there a way to backup several DVDs(main movies only) with selectabe subs in a way that it can play on both PS3 and SAP Bluray player?

Ive read about AVCHD/BD5 creation but the resolutions used are always 1920x780 or more, can i use 720 in them?

Since i dont have a PS3/bluray player yet what tool/profile should i use?

Megui with DVXA-SD or Standalone-Blu-ray profiles? Are the encodings done using Standalone-Blu-ray profile playable on a PS3? The PS3 also plays blu ray so i think it should, but i got confused because there were 2 separate profiles but both devices play blu ray ......confusing.......

Can Ripbot264 do that? AutoMKV? StaxRip? i dont see profile for what i wanted above.

[G_M_C]

See my posting @
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1177652#post1177652

I've made more postings on this subject, see trough my profile to find those threads. Altogether, you should be able to find all you need through that, since i make them successfully almost all the time for my player (==panasonic bd30).

[ricardo.santos]

Thanks G_M_C

Your posts are filled with tech wording and altough i understand a little bit its "hard" to keep up with the wording, you say the only resolutions allowed are "1280 x 720 or 1920 x 1080" so using something like 720x304" wont work? when i said "720" i meant dvd resolution not HD 720p.

All i want is to burn 20 episodes(full tv season) on a DVD9(BD9) using x264.

Nowadays if i burn 20 episodes on a DVD9 using divx i get a very simple text menu on my standalone divx player where i can choose a episode.

Can that be done with a PS3 or a BluRAy Player but using x264 instead of divx?

[lexor]

Ive read about AVCHD/BD5 creation but the resolutions used are always 1920x780 or more, can i use 720 in them?
x780? you mean 1920x1080, surely. And yes you can use both 1920x1080 and 1280x720, remember that you can't crop the black bars off of them (i.e. to make 1280x544) the picture has to be one of those 2 resolutions.


Megui with DVXA-SD or Standalone-Blu-ray profiles? Are the encodings done using Standalone-Blu-ray profile playable on a PS3? The PS3 also plays blu ray so i think it should, but i got confused because there were 2 separate profiles but both devices play blu ray ......confusing.......
I'm assuming by 2 profiles you mean a PS3 profile and Blu-ray profile, the reason they are separate is because PS3 can actually decode stuff that isn't compatible with Blu-ray. So Blu-ray profile is for all Blu-ray devices, and PS3 profile is if you want more options, but be PS3 specific.


Can Ripbot264 do that? AutoMKV? StaxRip? i dont see profile for what i wanted above.
Ripbot264 should have a blu-ray profile, it did last I used it.

[ricardo.santos]

x780? you mean 1920x1080, surely. And yes you can use both 1920x1080 and 1280x720

that was just an example i took from reading wikipedia, i want to backup DVDs, just now im backing up Jumper and i used a resolution of 720x304. Can i use that resolution when creating BDs?

I'm assuming by 2 profiles you mean a PS3 profile and Blu-ray profile, the reason they are separate is because PS3 can actually decode stuff that isn't compatible with Blu-ray. So Blu-ray profile is for all Blu-ray devices, and PS3 profile is if you want more options, but be PS3 specific.

thaks for the explanation, never thgought of the "extra" on the PS3.

so for example if i have 4 movies with 720x304 as resolution, enconded by "blu-ray" profile in Megui/ripbot/etc and burn them on a dvd the PS3 or bluray player will play them?

one last question, you said about not cropping off but im not using bluray as sources only dvds, can i crop them?

Ripbot264 should have a blu-ray profile, it did last I used it.
i was looking for a ps3/bluray profile but now i understand why theres insnt one for both

[lexor]

Hmm, I never tried creating SD content for Blu-ray (I have PS3, so it's easier for me to just use PS3 profile for SD episodes and mux them into mp4). But here are some things that should be true universally for Blu-ray disc. No, you can't crop, it has to stay either 720x480 or 720x576 (although I suppose you can crop 576 to 480). There were also some reports that not all players would play SD content from a blu-ray disc. I think you should wait for GMC to get back to you on this point.

[ricardo.santos]

thanks Lexor, will wait for G_M_C opinion on this.

[Atak_Snajpera]

the reason they are separate is because PS3 can actually decode stuff that isn't compatible with Blu-ray.
not true. it was separated because stupid scenarist requires keyint 24 . blu-ray players have no problems with my profile in ripbot264 (default keyint 250). If blu-ray player has logo AVCHD then SD resolutions must also be supported (720x480 and 720x576)

[ricardo.santos]

blu-ray players have no problems with my profile in ripbot264, (default keyint 250).

Thanks Atak_Snajpera, my last 2 questions are?

1 - How do i get 10 files in one dvd5? can i burn them as data files using imgburn?

2- using divx/xvid i had to crop the black bars of a movie on a dvd, but for AVCHD i cant crop? do i have to leave it as it is?

[Atak_Snajpera]

1 - How do i get 10 files in one dvd5? can i burn them as data files using imgburn?
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=141173

2- using divx/xvid i had to crop the black bars of a movie on a dvd, but for AVCHD i cant crop? do i have to leave it as it is?
Blu-Ray structure requires 1920x1080p 1280x720p or 720x480 ...576 . Otherwise you will get ugly green bar at the bottom of the screen if you use different resolution

[G_M_C]

Hmm, I never tried creating SD content for Blu-ray (I have PS3, so it's easier for me to just use PS3 profile for SD episodes and mux them into mp4). But here are some things that should be true universally for Blu-ray disc. No, you can't crop, it has to stay either 720x480 or 720x576 (although I suppose you can crop 576 to 480). There were also some reports that not all players would play SD content from a blu-ray disc. I think you should wait for GMC to get back to you on this point.

thanks Lexor, will wait for G_M_C opinion on this.


My opinion is wanted ... wooot i'm honoured ;)

But sorry to say that i cannot comment on SD-content, cause i have made none (BR is for high-def imho :P ). I think that you have to stay within blu-ray restrictions/limits, so max 3 b-frames etc. I dont know if PAL / NTSC progressive would work. There was somebody else that wanted to try in the though that posted on this subject in the Avisynt usage-part of the forum.

What i do want to comment about is that I'm getting confused too, cause all the relevant info in creating your own BD's is very fragmented and spread around this forum. I would like to call out to everybody to gather information, and maybe put it all in one place.

However i do know that it is not very easy to make "episodic disks", cause i dont know of a workable (as in affordable) Blu-ray authoringprogramm that allows for menu's and/or separate tracks/episodes. I've seen a "workarond" posted somewhere in the autoring-part of Doom9, but that's it.

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not true. it was separated because stupid scenarist requires keyint 24 . blu-ray players have no problems with my profile in ripbot264 (default keyint 250). If blu-ray player has logo AVCHD then SD resolutions must also be supported (720x480 and 720x576)

Actually, i've had this discussion before. Blu-ray specs say that a GOP is maximum 1 second long. Out of that specification comes my advise on keyints beeing equal to that 1 second GOP meaning that it is equal to the framerate (rounded up to the nearest integer). Min-keyint is 1 according to specs.

That players do play longer keyints is up to the manufacturer and/or player, it is not according to specs (in other words; That it works doesnt mean that it is correct ;) ). Actually jdobbs saw small "freezes" on layer-breaks, and suspected it had something to do with those high number of keyints (he had it on 250 at that time).

I allways stuck to my own recomendation and i've never seen and stutter whatsoever on layerbreaks, and all my BD9's can fast-forward/reverse; In other words they work as intended.

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Blu-Ray structure requires 1920x1080p 1280x720p or 720x480 ...576 . Otherwise you will get ugly green bar at the bottom of the screen if you use different resolution

I've only seen that green bar reported on PS3's playing "out of spec resolutions", my Panasonic BD30 simply refuses to play the whole thing/disk. So i just stick to the standards ;)

[ricardo.santos]

Hi everyone again!

Just reviving this thread in search for some info, a big part of my dvd collection are tv series and since h264 is growing im thinking about backing them up using x264.

Since Blu-ray Players can play normal blu-ray and h264 videos (i know it has to follow some rules), if this is true can i backup 20 dvd episodes (PAL), lets say 700MB for each one and then record 10 on each DVD9.

I've read we cant crop and we must burn the files on specific structure but im not sure on what to do, is this possible?

Something like multiAVCHD with a simple menu but with 720x576 as resolution
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/

[drpaulng]

You may drag directly any vob into muiltiAVCHD...remember set PAL as the TV system.

[ricardo.santos]

Thanks for the suggestion, but will it convert the vobs to h264? I dont see any reference to "convert" video.

...transfer their DVD backups without reencoding...

is multiavchd just an author tool kind of like Muxman for HD with menus and so on, if it is which tool should i use to convert my dvds?

im interest in doing this but wiyhout upsizing resolution, can i do it?

[AVCHD for DVD/BD-R] - multiAVCHD will create output suitable to burn to DVD-R/RW or BD-R/RE media. Useful for AVCHD compatible players (including Playstation 3). Disc will be recognized as "AVCHD".

[Blu-ray for BD-R] - multiAVCHD will create output suitable to burn to BD-R/RE media. Useful for Blu-ray only compatible players. Disc will be recognized as "Blu-ray".

This is what im trying to do:

I have the first season of lost on dvd, i convert each episode with ripbot264 for example and set the size of each episode to 1GB, if i add all those episodes and burn them on a 25GB BD disc using MultiAvchd will it play on a Blu ray player? Is the 720x576 resolution a problem? or since BD media is still expensive i can put 11 episodes on a DVD9.

[deank]

There is no need to reencode anything. Just import your DVD folders in multiAVCHD.

[ricardo.santos]

Thanks deank

Probably because english is not my native language i think people aren't fully understanding what i'm saying:

Lost Season 1:
6 DVD9 = 48 GB (more or less)

What i'm trying to do:

2 DVD9, each with 11 episodes, 700Mb each episode (should have great results with x264 only 42 minutes each episode)

or (when BD media gets cheaper)

1 BD disc with all 24 episodes, 1Gb each episode

For this i'll need to reconvert, my question is: What program/profile should i use?

Thanks

[deank]

You can try meGUI with Blu-ray profile (level 4.1). Be advised that the program you used will create non-compiant H.264 (AVC) NOT compatible with most Blu-ray players.

[ricardo.santos]

Uhmmm so the SD resolution is the problem here? just out of curiosity if i upsized the resolution to HD standarts and used multiavchd to mux them all with a nice menu using these options:

[AVCHD for DVD/BD-R] - multiAVCHD will create output suitable to burn to DVD-R/RW or BD-R/RE media. Useful for AVCHD compatible players (including Playstation 3). Disc will be recognized as "AVCHD".

[Blu-ray for BD-R] - multiAVCHD will create output suitable to burn to BD-R/RE media. Useful for Blu-ray only compatible players. Disc will be recognized as "Blu-ray".

would it work as in the description?

[deank]

Your problem seems to be the size.

* multiAVCHD does not reencode the video.
* it will transfer your DVD as is (1:1) keeping the original quality
* it will not keep DVD menus
* it will create Blu-ray/AVCHD menu
* you can join all 6 DVDs in one compilation

Of course the problem is that you can't write it to one DVD (but you can to one BD disc or play it in Playstation3).

multiAVCHD allows you to import selected episodes, so you can load your DVD folder and remove half of the episodes - create AVCHD for DVD... etc.

Yes, it does what it says.

[ricardo.santos]

Deank look at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVf4me4sTnI

The only difference is resolution and sound but its kind of what i want to do.

lets say i converted a mini series with 10 episodes with megui and i got 10 files each with 700MB, 720x576 resolution with 2.0 ac3.

total size 7GB (good for DVD9 and BD disc)

if i load all 10 files in multiavchd and choose option "Blu-ray for BD-R", will that BD disc play without problems in all Bluray players?

if i load all 10 files in multiavchd and choose option "AVCHD for DVD/BD-R", will that DVD9 disc play without problems in all Bluray players compatible with AVCHD?


Sorry for being such a pain

[deank]

I didn't test with ALL blu-ray players, so I can't answer to your questions.

If you encode these files to MKV or h264+ac3 there will be 5-7% overhead when creating AVCHD/Blu-ray, so 10x700mb may result in 8000mb for example.

The video is for multiAVCHD output copied to USB, which has no size restrictions, and YES it will work that way.

[Atak_Snajpera]

Be advised that the program you used will create non-compiant H.264 (AVC)...
So you claim that x264 creates non-compliant H.264 files

...NOT compatible with most Blu-ray players.
Hahha. I like the word "MOST" . Any tests amigo?

[ricardo.santos]

If you encode these files to MKV or h264+ac3 there will be 5-7% overhead when creating AVCHD/Blu-ray, so 10x700mb may result in 8000mb for example.
.

yes i've read about that and when encoding i will account for that, these are only examples.

If this works
[Blu-ray for BD-R] - multiAVCHD will create output suitable to burn to BD-R/RE media. Useful for Blu-ray only compatible players. Disc will be recognized as "Blu-ray".

with the files i gave in the examples i think its a big "blow" for divx and their divx7 standalones, this way i still get to backup my dvds with x264 and get them to play on blu-ray players, no need for their divx7 standalones. all i need is a blu-ray player to watch my backups.

A few years ago i needed a divx player to watch my dvd backups

Am i wrong? i know its a bit off topic...

[drpaulng]

Since vob of a PAL DVD is 720x576 50i (equals to 25fps interlaced), mpeg2, it is already compliant to bluray standard. No need for re-encoding. However, re-encoding would reduce file size down. If you really decide to re-encode, do it with compliance to the following settings:

720x576p25 h.264 high profile level 3.0.

This is the bluray standard for encoding PAL for secondary video (standard definition) that goes with primary video (high definition) 1280x720p50, or 1920x1080p25.

[ricardo.santos]

... However, re-encoding would reduce file size down. If you really decide to re-encode, do it with compliance to the following settings:

720x576p25 h.264 high profile level 3.0.

This is the bluray standard for encoding PAL for secondary video (standard definition) that goes with primary video (high definition) 1280x720p50, or 1920x1080p25.

Thanks drpaulng, it seems someone understood what i wanted to do.

Since you "saw" what i wanted to do, can you recommend a tool/profile to convert to those settings? can i simply edit the blu-ray profile from 4.1 to 3.0?

Perhaps another program

[G_M_C]

576p might not work in all players, since it's not a standard for the primary stream. My BD30 plays it, but seems to do de-interlacing, even if the stream is actually progressive. The result is that the stream isnt displayed fluently as it is supposed to.

My advise: Just stick to the standard. They're there for a reason, and adhering to them is the best guarantee for a working & satisfactory result.

[drpaulng]

Yes, I'd rather leave it untouched (the original 576 50i is OK to me). You may try both 576 25p and 576 50i. Since the final destination is your hardware BD player, not software player, you need to do some experiments. Dean's suggestion is good for all HD videos. multiAVCHD is developed with the main theme of "never re-encode", and he does not re-encode...almost.

[ricardo.santos]

Thanks for your answers,



720x576p25 h.264 high profile level 3.0.

This is the bluray standard for encoding PAL for secondary video (standard definition) that goes with primary video (high definition) 1280x720p50, or 1920x1080p25.

576p might not work in all players, since it's not a standard for the primary stream. My BD30 plays it, but seems to do de-interlacing, even if the stream is actually progressive. The result is that the stream isnt displayed fluently as it is supposed to.
.

So from my understanding its ok to use "720x576p25 h.264 high profile level 3.0." but only as secondary video track, if the disc only has these kind of files muxed with multiavchd it will not play them properly.

So i guess my best bet is to stick with divx and their standalone players or wait for divx7 standalones where we can convert using an h264 codec (sd or hd resolutions mixed up)

Ohhhh i really thought this could work, it was too good to be true lol

i know it works without reencoding but i want to reencode and save some space.

Thanks everyone for your patient, in some other forums people are reluctant to come here and ask as doom9 forum as a reputation for being harsh but on my 4years here i always got my doubts answered.

Thanks

Ps: Im guessing that its not possible to cheat here? kind of trying to fool the blu-ray player with a fake hd primary track(small size like a still video...dvd cover for example) so that the secondary track with a real SD video plays without any problems?

[deank]

There is some misunderstanding here.

There is no problem to use SD (standard definition) video for Primary video. In fact - i don't see how you can use Secondary video at all.

720x480 and 720x576 will both work without any problems since you are in PAL territory (Portugal is PAL, right?)

Don't hesitate and just grab a DVD-RW disc and create a test compilation with 1-2-3 720x480/720x576 level 3.0 h.264 videos with AC3 audio.

Depending on how smart your hardware player is - it will handle 50i and 25fps progressive. Of course you can encode your h264 in interlaced mode but then compression will suffer. Just test and see what will work for you.

Dean

[G_M_C]

I'll try a 576p stream @ H264 L3.0. The stream i used was L4.1 (with b-pyramids) if i remember correctly. Dont know if that was the problem, but i'll test.

But on the lighter side of things; I managed to re-encode a BD to 576i50 ... it became a nice BD9 with DTS-MA.
(it was a registration of a live preformance of a DJ, so image wasn't the main thing here, it's the audio that was the main feature to keep)

So i'm ab-so-lutely shure that 576i works as intended.

[ricardo.santos]

Thanks Deank

Portugal is Pal, i havent bought a blu-ray player yet, im asking these questions here before buying or not buying one.

But if you're saying that there isnt any problem as long as i respect the encoding rules(h264 level 3, 720x576, ac3 audio), i can mux everything with multiavchd selecting this option and record it on a bd disc:
[Blu-ray for BD-R] - multiAVCHD will create output suitable to burn to BD-R/RE media. Useful for Blu-ray only compatible players. Disc will be recognized as "Blu-ray".

and every bluray player will recognize it as a blu ray disc? i will buy a blu ray burner as soon as i can if this is true.

if i mux selecting this profile:
[AVCHD for DVD/BD-R] - multiAVCHD will create output suitable to burn to DVD-R/RW or BD-R/RE media. Useful for AVCHD compatible players (including Playstation 3). Disc will be recognized as "AVCHD".

it will play on avchd compatible players without problems.

[deank]

Yes. I can suggest you to burn some DVD-RWs first (in AVCHD for DVD/BR mode) and go to your store to test these bd-players before you buy any. And if you can test with BD-R/RE your quest for answers will be complete.

[ricardo.santos]

Thanks for all the clarifications on the muxing/burning sides of the problem Deank.

G_M_C i'll wait for the results of your tests with level 3.0.

Thanks

[G_M_C]

Thanks for all the clarifications on the muxing/burning sides of the problem Deank.

G_M_C i'll wait for the results of your tests with level 3.0.

Thanks

Hmmm, i'm almost ashamed to ask this; But what are the restricions @ L3.0 for b-frames / refs / vbv-settings ? And was it profile: main @ L3.0 or another profile ?

[ricardo.santos]

sorry, can't help with that...perhaps another member will enlighten us :)

[deank]

I think you can find out here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264#Levels)

Max bitrate of ~10mbit and 5ref frames for 720x576 / 6ref for 720x480.

[poisondeathray]

You could also get a media player e.g. wd media player, tvix, popcorn hour , and they play a lot more types and are less finicky than blu-ray players. The WD player is about ~100USD, much less expensive than most blu-ray players. Most of them have hard drive or usb or sd storage, and the prices of removeable media and HDD are always falling, while blu-ray media is still $$

[turbojet]

Hmmm, i'm almost ashamed to ask this; But what are the restricions @ L3.0 for b-frames / refs / vbv-settings ? And was it profile: main @ L3.0 or another profile ?

3 max b-frames for BD and from x264.exe
avis [info]: 720x576 @ 23.98 fps (294 frames)
x264 [warning]: DPB size (16 frames, 9953280 bytes) > level limit (5 frames, 3110400 bytes) <- technical message for refs limit
x264 [warning]: VBV bitrate (20500) > level limit (12500)
x264 [warning]: VBV buffer (14500) > level limit (12500)

Maybe for reference 720x576 retail BD streams are L3.2@High

You could also get a media player e.g. wd media player, tvix, popcorn hour , and they play a lot more types and are less finicky than blu-ray players. The WD player is about ~100USD, much less expensive than most blu-ray players. Most of them have hard drive or usb or sd storage, and the prices of removeable media and HDD are always falling, while blu-ray media is still $$

You'll lose BD playback going this route. If you are in USA you can often find deals on sites like fatwallet for name brand BD players under $150. tvix and popcornhour cost more than most name brand BD players at original price. But it is an option, just giving you the downsides of it.

[ricardo.santos]

You could also get a media player e.g. wd media player, tvix, popcorn hour , and they play a lot more types and are less finicky than blu-ray players.


I think everyone (that can explain what i explained) is aware of that but the whole point of me starting this thread is to play Bluray/Bluray Backups either compressed or not, and dvd backups compressed (x264) on just one device: A Blu ray Player and by the looks of it it is possible.

Ive looked in the stores over here and the WD HD sells below 100 Euros, yes its not a bad deal but you need an external drive.

What im trying to do is to watch everything in one device, much "cleaner" solution

I dont want a bluray player+media player+external drive cluttering my living room.

Sorry for the off topic

[Ghitulescu]

Thanks deank

Probably because english is not my native language i think people aren't fully understanding what i'm saying:

Lost Season 1:
6 DVD9 = 48 GB (more or less)

What i'm trying to do:

2 DVD9, each with 11 episodes, 700Mb each episode (should have great results with x264 only 42 minutes each episode)

or (when BD media gets cheaper)

1 BD disc with all 24 episodes, 1Gb each episode

For this i'll need to reconvert, my question is: What program/profile should i use?

Thanks

Why do you need BluRay? If a DVD player can do DivX it can do also from DVDs or better DVDR DL. Mostly. Encode them as DivX - end of story. You don't even need a menu, use the built-in (from DVD player).

If you think that you'll make them look like BD (HD resolution) you're wrong.

[ricardo.santos]

Why do you need BluRay?

Why shouldnt i?

If a DVD player can do DivX it can do also from DVDs or better DVDR DL. Mostly.

Have you just read the last comment on the thread and decided to comment based on that? it seems like it

Encode them as DivX - end of story. You don't even need a menu, use the built-in (from DVD player).

you can even build menus, animated ones, im aware of that, do you want to try one with an animated menu in divx? here you go, it was teh first one i made:
http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=809615&postcount=1

If you think that you'll make them look like BD (HD resolution) you're wrong.

Do you think im stupid or something?

Have you just read the last comment on the thread and decided to comment based on that? it seems like it

Please read from the beggining dont just assume things before knowing the point of the whole thread

Im well aware of what divx does, i even have a divx connected box...so please stick to the point... the whole point is watching videos in SD and HD resolutions using the superior capabilities of h264 in just one device a Blu ray Player...with menus.....there you go...dont need to go back and read from the beggining

Thanks

[Ghitulescu]

Why shouldnt i?

Have you just read the last comment on the thread and decided to comment based on that? it seems like it

you can even build menus, animated ones, im aware of that, do you want to try one with an animated menu in divx? here you go, it was teh first one i made:
http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=809615&postcount=1

Do you think im stupid or something?

Have you just read the last comment on the thread and decided to comment based on that? it seems like it

Please read from the beggining dont just assume things before knowing the point of the whole thread

Im well aware of what divx does, i even have a divx connected box...so please stick to the point... the whole point is watching videos in SD and HD resolutions using the superior capabilities of h264 in just one device a Blu ray Player...with menus.....there you go...dont need to go back and read from the beggining

Thanks

I read your first post and also screened the answers. I always do this.

I simply do not understand why you complicate your life ...

I would understand that you want to copy the episodes on BD, keeping their original encoding, but hell I will never compress MPEG2 into h.264 to fit more movies onto a DVDR DL. Or maybe Lost is one of these series you don't care about the video quality ;) because every encoding / recoding / transcoding causes quality losses. You may not see them on a regular TV but they are extremely visible on a 50" TV or more. No matter what the developers say, h.264 does not require 6x less space at a comparable quality.

Anyway it's your time and your hobby. I gave you my sincere opinion, forget it ...

[ricardo.santos]

Im not complicating it...this is what happened a few years ago with dvd/divx

Dvd came out...buy dvd player
Divx/xvid came to backup the videos....buy divx standalone

Bluray comes out....buy bluray player
divx 7 has announced divx 7 standalones

now if i can use a superior codec like x264 and compress both dvd/bluray and watch it on the same device, i think im simplifying not complicating.

At the moment im not worried with compression/tv size/artifacts....just wanting to know if it works,,,,i'll adjust the encoding after knowing if it works.


I would understand that you want to copy the episodes on BD, keeping their original encoding, but hell I will never compress MPEG2 into h.264 to fit more movies onto a DVDR DL.

If i can put the same amount as i do with divx but by using the superior x264 and watch it all on a blu ray player im happy, thats all i need,

i didnt say i was doing this to fit twice as much videos as i do with divx.....

[Ghitulescu]

Im not complicating it...this is what happened a few years ago with dvd/divx

Dvd came out...buy dvd player
Divx/xvid came to backup the videos....buy divx standalone

Bluray comes out....buy bluray player

now if i can use a superior codec like x264 and compress both dvd/bluray and watch it on the same, i think im simplifying not complicating.

Maybe I'm coming from planet Mars but I never encoded a DVD into Divx, because of the quality loss. ;) I did backups on DVDRs. So far no original deteriorated, nor any DVDR I've burned. However, what's safe is safe.

The first Divx player that I ever had is my new BD player!

So I did some tests with borrowed AVIs - awful.

This is why I suggested you to backup your episodes as Divx onto DVDR DLs, you can watch them almost everywhere. The built-in menu is enough if you renamed your AVIs accordingly.

A final word: how can you say that you're simplifying your life if you do recodings for each format that appears on the market? You did copies as Divx I've understand, now you rerun your collection in a different codec. Maybe you'll find h.264 not satisfactory and try VC-1, or the next generation of codecs.

[ricardo.santos]

This is why I suggested you to backup your episodes as Divx onto DVDR DLs, you can watch them almost everywhere. The built-in menu is enough if you renamed your AVIs accordingly.


I will be able to do the same (if it works) because every BD that i record following this method will play in every single BLU RAY Player

Im not recoding my divx collection but will start using x264 from now on.

[Ghitulescu]

I will be able to do the same (if it works) because every BD that i record following this method will play in every single BLU RAY Player

Im not recoding my divx collection but will start using x264 from now on.

Maybe you'll have to check if your future BD player can cope with DVDRs having HD material - so far I know the Sharps do not allow this, so your DVDRs will not play everywhere ... :) Good Luck!

[ricardo.santos]

Thanks Deank
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But if you're saying that there isnt any problem as long as i respect the encoding rules(h264 level 3, 720x576, ac3 audio), i can mux everything with multiavchd selecting this option and record it on a bd disc:


and every bluray player will recognize it as a blu ray disc? i will buy a blu ray burner as soon as i can if this is true.

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[G_M_C]

3 max b-frames for BD and from x264.exe
avis [info]: 720x576 @ 23.98 fps (294 frames)
x264 [warning]: DPB size (16 frames, 9953280 bytes) > level limit (5 frames, 3110400 bytes) <- technical message for refs limit
x264 [warning]: VBV bitrate (20500) > level limit (12500)
x264 [warning]: VBV buffer (14500) > level limit (12500)

Maybe for reference 720x576 retail BD streams are L3.2@High



You'll lose BD playback going this route. If you are in USA you can often find deals on sites like fatwallet for name brand BD players under $150. tvix and popcornhour cost more than most name brand BD players at original price. But it is an option, just giving you the downsides of it.

I think you can find out here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264#Levels)

Max bitrate of ~10mbit and 5ref frames for 720x576 / 6ref for 720x480.

I'm running 1 encode @ L 3.2 now. Read somewhere that 4x4p partition wasn't allowed @ L 3.x, so i've onmitted that. No warnings from x264 as for now.

If this one doesnt work, i'll run one encode @ L 3.0.

Encoeds @ Sd quality run at 50 or so fps, so it wont take long ;)

EDIT:
Tekes a bit longer, forgot setting SAR. Want to do it right, so re-running.

[shon3i]

I think you can find out here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264#Levels)

Max bitrate of ~10mbit and 5ref frames for 720x576 / 6ref for 720x480.
That is acording AVC levels not bluray's, i mean L4.1 allow up to 62.5mbps for AVC level but Blu-Ray level allow up to 40mbps, so maybe 10mbps AVC is to high for Blu-Ray SD, i think we maybe need some Blu-Ray level limits table to be sure what is alowed and what not :)

And if i understood you correctly every PAL DVD MPEG2 25P are blu-ray compliant without recompress?

[G_M_C]

L3.2 doesnt work.

Running L3.0 now (which is basically the same, only less bitrate i guess ? So i dont expect any change. Ahh, one more difference; x264 mentiones max MVRange of 256).

Could try Mpeg2 later through HCEnc 0.23