Google Chrome a Engineering Masterpiece ? [Archive] - Page 3

laserfan

31st July 2009, 13:29

Hey does anyone here use Chrome day-to-day? I find it to be wicked-fast compared to my usual Avant-over-IE browsing, but a key barrier to full-time use is in browsing forums like doom9, i.e. with my usual "do=getnew" entry bookmarks to forum sites like this one, Chrome just dumps me to the bottom of the page. I have to scroll-up to see the newest posts. With IE a getnew puts you right at the newest post from the last time you visited.

Anyone here have the same irritation, or know of how to get it to work "correctly"?

tetsuo55

31st July 2009, 13:31

I don't experience that. are you using the latest build from the buildbot?

laserfan

31st July 2009, 16:04

I don't experience that. are you using the latest build from the buildbot?Hmmm, yeah 3.0.182.2 is the very latest I think. All builds to present have done this for me (getnew just dumps me to very bottom of thread page). Seen it on a couple of computers, both w/XP Pro 32-bit...

I haven't fiddled with any Options but don't see anything relevant in there anyway.

Thanks tetsuo55; does it work for everyone else here too???

tetsuo55

31st July 2009, 16:27

No wonder, you have an ancient build.

Get the latest build here (highest number at the bottom)
http://build.chromium.org/buildbot/snapshots/chromium-rel-xp/

Yours is months old, and i remember that bug now, has been fixed.

laserfan

31st July 2009, 19:46

No wonder, you have an ancient build.Dunno how I could get left behind, I just followed instructions way-back-when to install, then it appeared to be updating itself periodically. When the heck did Chrome become Chromium anyway? No matter...

I downloaded the newest build and the Chromium therein (v3.0.197.0 build 22158) and it works as it should! Thanks tetsuo55 for your help!
:thanks:

Astrophizz

31st July 2009, 22:57

Chrome didn't become Chromium. He linked you to Chromium but you could stay with Chrome if you want. You should probably redownload chrome and set it to the developer channel if so (I had the problem once where Chrome stopped updating and I just had to reinstall it). Chromium won't autoupdate.

LoRd_MuldeR

1st August 2009, 01:24

When the heck did Chrome become Chromium anyway?

The Chromium browser is developed as an OpenSource project under a BSD license. The official releases (possibly containing proprietary extensions) are re-branded to "Chrome".

Chromium won't autoupdate.

Really? :D

http://mulder.dummwiedeutsch.de/home/?page=projects#chromium

Astrophizz

1st August 2009, 08:48

I use that, but that's not an autoupdate, at least not like what there is with Chrome. You have to manually run it.

LoRd_MuldeR

1st August 2009, 10:25

I use that, but that's not an autoupdate, at least not like what there is with Chrome.

Right. According to the Chrome license terms, the user must accept any Update that Google is sending (silently). That's a difference indeed ;)

You have to manually run it.

You could link it to Autostart or use the Windows Scheduler...

sjakke

1st August 2009, 15:56

Thanks for that updater LoRd_MuldeR. Works like a charm:)

By the way I was wondering if Chromium suffers from the same privacy problems as http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_chrome_vs_iron.php claims Chrome has?

LoRd_MuldeR

1st August 2009, 16:24

By the way I was wondering if Chromium suffers from the same privacy problems as http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_chrome_vs_iron.php claims Chrome has?

I think so. Otherwise "Iron" would be useless.

But since Chromium is OpenSource (in contrast to "official" Chrome releases), we can do whatever modifications we like (e.g. remove the User-ID feature).

And that's exactly what Iron does. However they don't update as often as the Chromium build bot does ;)

sjakke

1st August 2009, 17:55

Well I would like to continue, using Iron, but it's started crashing every time I open a page.

And, as you mentioned, they don't seem to do updates very often. So I've switched to Chromium.

laserfan

1st August 2009, 19:06

The Chromium browser is developed as an OpenSource project under a BSD license. The official releases (possibly containing proprietary extensions) are re-branded to "Chrome".Thanks, I had assumed as much--bizarre how hard it's been to find this out (between Chrome sites and Chromium sites that is). Good 'ol doom9.org to the rescue.

I'll stick with Chromium myself--what with Chrome's wierd "install per user" installation, and no release notes anywhere as to what it is your downloading, and having to download for every user, bah.

LoRd_MuldeR

1st August 2009, 19:42

I'll stick with Chromium myself--what with Chrome's wierd "install per user" installation, and no release notes anywhere as to what it is your downloading, and having to download for every user, bah.

Yeah, I hate those installers that install to %APPDATA% without asking for an install folder.

Obviously their intention is to allow non-admin users to install the application without an "evil" UAC dialog popping up on Vista/Win7 ;)

But this undermines the concept of having different folders for different purposes with different user access rights....

Shinigami-Sama

1st August 2009, 19:57

to me its still useless untill I can force it to load all tabs in the background...
switching to a new tab every time its spawned is a PITA, and no ctrl+shift+click isn't ganna cut it...

laserfan

2nd August 2009, 00:14

to me its still useless untill I can force it to load all tabs in the background...
switching to a new tab every time its spawned is a PITA, and no ctrl+shift+click isn't ganna cut it...Mine doesn't work that way; at least, I usually right-click on a link and the tab is generated in the background...

Shinigami-Sama

2nd August 2009, 03:03

Mine doesn't work that way; at least, I usually right-click on a link and the tab is generated in the background...

I use middle click and it automatically throws me into the new tab, I've found that if I ctrl+shift+click it goes in the background

I'm also one of those tab whores who has about 12 tabs open at the minimum

tetsuo55

2nd August 2009, 07:54

Shinigami-Sama you have to update to the latest buildbot version.

Midzuki

2nd August 2009, 08:12

Get the latest build here (highest number at the bottom)
http://build.chromium.org/buildbot/snapshots/chromium-rel-xp/

I've tried to download from the URL above, but the server always interrupts the file transfer around 15%. Is there an explanation for the anomaly (other than "disliking IP addresses from the 3rd World" :) )?

Shinigami-Sama

2nd August 2009, 08:21

Shinigami-Sama you have to update to the latest buildbot version.

not interested in testing again now that I solved the problem that made me try chrome in the first place

laserfan

2nd August 2009, 15:52

I use middle click and it automatically throws me into the new tab...Isn't that funny--I've been using "personal computers" since before they were called that, and before the "mouse" was even introduced (mid-70s) and never tried "middle-clicking"!

Works fabulous, no more right-click and select "open in new tab"! Opens in background too! Thanks Shinigami-Sama! :)

Midzuki

3rd August 2009, 11:07

OK, finally managed to download a two-week-old version from a Tucows mirror --- that sucks, really. :(

My first (and last) impression: better than the Chrome I tested some months ago, but still uglier than IE. :p Back to the olde and goode K-Meleon. :D

laserfan

3rd August 2009, 12:43

Apart from the printing oddities (can't change header/footer or margins) it is just wildly, ridiculously faster than IE, at least with my ISP. I'm kinda in awe of it as it's made my satellite service surfing seemingly a ROM faster, instantly. I've been using Avant on top of IE.

LoRd_MuldeR

3rd August 2009, 15:43

Apart from the printing oddities (can't change header/footer or margins) it is just wildly, ridiculously faster than IE

That applies to any browser, except IE and IE-based ones :D

IE 8.0 would be the very first IE to be competitive after years if it wasn't that unbearably slow :rolleyes:

Midzuki

3rd August 2009, 17:25

On my obsolete Pentium 4, the fastest and most-elegant web browser still is K-Meleon. :) The vice-champion is Opera, and the third place goes to Seamonkey. :p Firefox still smells like Netscape 6 to my nose, and I cannot drop IE8 altogether, because there are web sites which only can be viewed correctly with the Trident engine. :mad:

LoRd_MuldeR

3rd August 2009, 19:00

The vice-champion is Opera, and the third place goes to Seamonkey. :p

SeaMonkey 2.0 Nighly is my primary browser :)

I cannot drop IE8 altogether, because there are web sites which only can be viewed correctly with the Trident engine. :mad:

I'm yet to encounter such a web-site. Anyway, I'd simply add that site to my ignore list :p

tetsuo55

3rd August 2009, 19:35

I'm yet to encounter such a web-site. Anyway, I'd simply add that site to my ignore list :pI know a ton of these unfortunately, and ignoring them is not an option.

sites like my bank, government, etc...

LoRd_MuldeR

3rd August 2009, 20:16

I know a ton of these unfortunately, and ignoring them is not an option.

sites like my bank, government, etc...

Too bad. Still unless people start to complain about that problem, they won't even notice or not feel responsible to fix it...

tetsuo55

3rd August 2009, 20:20

they refuse to fix it when 98+% of users use a flavor of IE

LoRd_MuldeR

3rd August 2009, 20:37

they refuse to fix it when 98+% of users use a flavor of IE

Not exactly :D

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/7355/browserstats.png

Maybe my little web-site isn't representative for the entire web. But the results shouldn't be completely misleading either ;)

Furthermore, standards like HTML, JavaScript and CSS exist for a reason. If web designers followed these standards, it would work in any browser. If not, it's their mistake!

tetsuo55

3rd August 2009, 20:51

Sorry, i meant the visitors of those site (because i reported the incompatibilities years ago, the sites dont work on any browser other than IE)

LoRd_MuldeR

3rd August 2009, 21:18

Sorry, i meant the visitors of those site

If your web-site simply doesn't work with anything else but IE, it's not hard to have 98% IE users in your site statistics :p

i reported the incompatibilities years ago, the sites dont work on any browser other than IE

Good. If more users did, they probably would see that it's necessary to fix the problem. Unfortunately I think most non-IE users sigh, load up IE and proceed...

tetsuo55

3rd August 2009, 21:35

thats what i do now (no sense in reporting every time) :(

smok3

4th August 2009, 01:48

maybe another approach would work: 'just make it work for firefox, each new ie is getting slightly better, so old pages are looking better and better (for those XY% of IE users)'.

edit: the pie for my blog
http://blog.somestuff.org/images/browsers.png
pretty sad...

Midzuki

4th August 2009, 01:49

As tetsuo55 said, many bank and gov't sites are designed by IE fans :( . I could also mention certain p0rn sites, but I don't want to violate the forum rules. :) Anyway, and back to the topic:

Chrome and Chromium are not aimed at the so-called "power users". In Netscape 4.xx, I could disable the automatic loading of images for all the pages, and when I wanted to view the images of a particular page, I simply had to click the appropriate button on the toolbar. :) Or just right-click on the selected picture(s). In K-Meleon, I press F7, and the page is re-interpreted without the interference of the JavaScript code, and without having to reload the page. :devil: I don't know how to do the same "tricks" in Chromium (assuming that it does have such features, and they are just «very-well hidden» from the end-user).

IgorC

9th August 2009, 21:36

From what I see even Firefox is importing chromium code in this moment.
http://hg.mozilla.org/projects/electrolysis/rev/6fd4bb500d42

Firefox release version of 3.6 should have performance on par with Chrome 3.0. And 3.7 will be chromized even visually. :)

Midzuki

10th August 2009, 00:46

From what I see even Firefox is importing chromium code in this moment.
http://hg.mozilla.org/projects/electrolysis/rev/6fd4bb500d42

Only the good parts, let's hope. :p

RNiK

10th August 2009, 15:30

Only the good parts, let's hope. :pMozilla is using Google Chrome code to accomplish this (https://wiki.mozilla.org/Content_Processes). ;)

smok3

10th August 2009, 16:20

very funny?, especially since chrome will run on nixes very soon as it seems... ;)

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US) AppleWebKit/532.0 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/3.0.197.11 Safari/532.0

writing this on linux mint with chrome.