Quick Blu-ray content (BD, BD-5 and BD-9) authoring guide (PS3+PowerDVD)

[jacobshek]

If we use workshop 2.51 to change subtitle to 24p and then do offset in scenarist, the subtitle sync seems ok. But do you guys feel the subtitle in png file(1920x1080) is very small even used 72 font size for generation? Any solutions for generating a big size subtitle?

[jamos]

If we use workshop 2.51 to change subtitle to 24p and then do offset in scenarist, the subtitle sync seems ok. But do you guys feel the subtitle in png file(1920x1080) is very small even used 72 font size for generation? Any solutions for generating a big size subtitle?

you still have to export with subtitleworkshop 4 after you have changed the timings in 2.51. in the export image options you can change the font to whatever type and size you want (just wish the white color would work). If you are referring to the limit of 72 in the drop down you can type in a larger size.

[marco_ooo]

i have a problem :)

i have a avchd muxed by tsremux way
but it is a live hdtv recording from metallica and i want to do him with scenarist so that i can do every nr a chapter
but the resolution is 1280x720 fps=29,970 and this combination scenarist wont take as input

now i encoded him with megui to 1280x720 and a fps of 23.976 and scenarist is doing ok but the audio is not synch

what do i forget to get this working

[Glorioso]

I'm a real newbie... in the first pass how can i make megui to encode the file with that parameters?

[Atak_Snajpera]

If you are new in town use RipBot264 instead of MeGUI.

[Glorioso]

If you are new in town use RipBot264 instead of MeGUI.

And what settings should i use to make the file BluRay compatible?

[Atak_Snajpera]

select .m2ts , click lock size and select size (4480 for Single layer DVD or 8150 for dual layer) go to properties and select FHD 1920x... or HD 1280x... After encoding use TSRemux to get BluRay structure.

[Glorioso]

select .m2ts , click lock size and select size (4480 for Single layer DVD or 8150 for dual layer) go to properties and select FHD 1920x... or HD 1280x... After encoding use TSRemux to get BluRay structure.

I'll use Scenarist because of the subtitles. I've tested ripbot but have one problem, in my XP PC it's slow as death, Celeron 2.8:mad:, and in my other PC, on Vista, i cant get ripboot to work, when i press star it says ends right away and creates no file.

[marco_ooo]

I'll use Scenarist because of the subtitles. I've tested ripbot but have one problem, in my XP PC it's slow as death, Celeron 2.8:mad:, and in my other PC, on Vista, i cant get ripboot to work, when i press star it says ends right away and creates no file.


here on a xp machine q6600 at 2,4 ghz

first pass 17 fps this is for a resolution of 1080 is that a normal speed

it is mine first time i use ripbot will the *.264 be good for scenarist ?

[jamos]

here on a xp machine q6600 at 2,4 ghz

first pass 17 fps this is for a resolution of 1080 is that a normal speed

it is mine first time i use ripbot will the *.264 be good for scenarist ?

sounds about right marco using 8000 bitrate. ripbot does just what megui does (ie they both encode using x264) plus more i think? it just makes things easier. I like megui better for now just becuase i like to fiddle with the settings. I am not sure how ripbot handles mkvs with cropped video ie does it add the borders to make the video complient?

[NorthPole]

now i encoded him with megui to 1280x720 and a fps of 23.976 and scenarist is doing ok but the audio is not synch
what do i forget to get this working

After you add your video and audio under the data tab, there is a section in the lower left corner that says properties.

I seem to always have to change the audio frame rate to 23.976 in this section before dragging them over to the stream tab.

dunno if that helps.

[marco_ooo]

it is mine first time i use ripbot will the *.264 be good for scenarist ?


to bad i get a buffer underflow when i start to mux
i used het level4.1 hd-bluray-console profile

but i love the m2ts calculation :(

[marco_ooo]

After you add your video and audio under the data tab, there is a section in the lower left corner that says properties.

I seem to always have to change the audio frame rate to 23.976 in this section before dragging them over to the stream tab.

dunno if that helps.


i will give it a try

[NorthPole]

And you can use 3 b-frames with pymamid b-frames with 3 p-ref and 2 b-ref or

3 b-frames without pyramid bframes with 4 p-ref and 3 b-ref.
Max GOP is 1.000 sec.
W(eighted)-pred work too.
Max buffer is 30 000 Kbits.

Thanks...

Just curious where you found your info?

So the Max GOP should be equal to your frame rate.

Isn't the max buffer tied to the level your using?

[Atak_Snajpera]

to bad i get a buffer underflow when i start to mux
i used het level4.1 hd-bluray-console profile

but i love the m2ts calculation

Once TSMuxer have BluRay structure finished everybody will forget about stupid , "Cheap" Scenarists :)

[jamos]

Once TSMuxer have BluRay structure finished everybody will forget about stupid , "Cheap" Scenarists :)

yes it will make life easier. but our company bought our copy, so I like using it and never had issues with it. I always use xolos profiles in megui before hand though.
Maybe some of these folks are using hacked copies that probably have bugs in them.

[AKarpo]

This really is some phenomenal work. Who can I donate $5 to show my thanks?

[Atak_Snajpera]

To avoid buffer underflow you must use Thread 1 instead of auto. T

[NorthPole]

i will give it a try

I did a test without changing the audio frame rate property and it didn't seem to make any difference. My a/v was in sync either way.

[maciejka79]

hi
my dvd5 doesn't work
i made hdmv project in scenarist without any menu, just 5 min movie(encoded in cinevison - vc1) without any audio. changed CopyPermissionIndicator to 0, muxed, deleted aacs and certificate and burn in nero(udf2.5)
it works on powerDvd but not on my player (BD-P1000)
what did i do wrong??
thanks for any answer

mac
sorry for my english:)

[digitalvideo]

CopyPermissionIndicator to 0 is only for PS3, normally you can also let the AACS folder.

Like this it work for me.

[jamos]

hi
my dvd5 doesn't work
i made hdmv project in scenarist without any menu, just 5 min movie(encoded in cinevison - vc1) without any audio. changed CopyPermissionIndicator to 0, muxed, deleted aacs and certificate and burn in nero(udf2.5)
it works on powerDvd but not on my player (BD-P1000)
what did i do wrong??
thanks for any answer

mac
sorry for my english:)

if your player is capable of AVCHD you must copy the nero BDMV files that Xolos provided into the stream directory before you burn it .

[Sven78]

Hi i have a problem with backup my ice age 2 blu ray movie. i rip the movie with anydvd to my hard drive. demux video and audio with tsmuxer. video is Mpeg2 and audio is AC3 ( German ). Scenarist dosent like the the movie file. So i test it with tsmuxer to make a ts file. then with tsremux genarate a BluRay Disk and burn it with Nero UDF 2.5 .the movie is stuttering the sound is sync and ok. what is false ?? my other movies from HD DVD to BluRay works fine ??

Sorry for my english

Thanks

[MrFaust]

I hate to sound like an uber noob, but is there anyway someone can put this guide together along with pictures so it might be less confusing for those us new to this process? I've been chomping at the bit to be able to put mkv files in a feasible format that the PS3 will like and play without having to cut it up into multiple parts and transfer to the hdd.

I guess the most confusing part is megui and importing the bluray profiles. I've tried and nothing shows up in the import box.

[B4tm4n]

Thank you XolocoTuxmaster, with your guide and Pelican9s supread, I 've started to make my own BD-9 discs with dual audios and subs.

Cheers.


I guess the most confusing part is megui and importing the bluray profiles. I've tried and nothing shows up in the import box.

Copy the profiles from the zip file to the 'C:\Program Files\megui\profiles\Video' folder.

[jacobshek]

you still have to export with subtitleworkshop 4 after you have changed the timings in 2.51. in the export image options you can change the font to whatever type and size you want (just wish the white color would work). If you are referring to the limit of 72 in the drop down you can type in a larger size.

Even I typed size more then 72, the sample screen shows the bigger size, but finally the size generated in png still in 72 size, looks so small. And then I tried many times for different font size, seems the program can't be generate the font size more then 72. Did you guys can do that? Or any else software for generating png files with or without bnd.xml files?

[n0mag!c]

video is Mpeg2 and audio is AC3 ( German ). Scenarist dosent like the the movie file. So i test it with tsmuxer to make a ts file. then with tsremux genarate a BluRay Disk and burn it with Nero UDF 2.5 .the movie is stuttering the sound is sync and ok. what is false ??
as I wrote in TsMuxer thread - this is a TsMuxer issue with MPEG-2 video. I need to use Scenarist to get the flawless result.

[n0mag!c]

Using this method you will get a 100% standard Blu-ray content, but bruning that content on a DVD (BD-5) or double layer DVD (BD-9) is not standard at all. Nevertheless, several BD players play them some of them considering them as an AVCHD (PS3)...but then plays as a normal BD, so all codecs and subtitles are supported

Creating the BD
You need at least Sonic.Scenarist.BDA.v4.20
That's all, now you have 100% standard BD content, for burning:
*On a Blu-ray:
--Just BDMV folder on it

*Confirm no PS3 players compatibility

I tryed to burn BDMV folder from Scenarist muxing result (and even with AACS and CERTIFICATE folder) on BD-RE, but PS3 didn't play it, although recognizes BDMV on BD-RE. PS3 displays "this is an invalid disk" message. But when I then use TsRemux with "blu-ray ouput format" onto resulting .M2TS file from Scenarist and burn result, then PS3 plays ok. But what is the way to get more then one clip?

[Sebasd5]

I have a question about this step:

14. Now save your project and quit Scenarist. Go back to Windows Explorer and navigate into your Project folder and open the Project.xml file in Notepad. Go all the way to the bottom and find a setting called:

<CopyPermissionIndicator>3</CopyPermissionIndicator>

I didn't change this in all the BD5s I burned, however when I burn the structure I always leave out the AACS folder. If I burn it along with the other two the disc won't play, but if I leave that one out, it will without problems. I have a Sony BDP-S300. Are there any other players that will not play my discs because I didn't change that?

[jamos]

I have a question about this step:

14. Now save your project and quit Scenarist. Go back to Windows Explorer and navigate into your Project folder and open the Project.xml file in Notepad. Go all the way to the bottom and find a setting called:

<CopyPermissionIndicator>3</CopyPermissionIndicator>

I didn't change this in all the BD5s I burned, however when I burn the structure I always leave out the AACS folder. If I burn it along with the other two the disc won't play, but if I leave that one out, it will without problems. I have a Sony BDP-S300. Are there any other players that will not play my discs because I didn't change that?

you do not need the aacs folder for playing BDs or DVDs and thus you do not need to worry about changing the copypermission. just leave out the folder on burn. only need the BDMV and the Certificate folders to make it BD complient.

[XolocoTuxmaster]

do you mayby know some information on how to make a simple menu

let say a start menu for 3 movies on a disc so that i can choice what movie i want to see this is for a blu ray disc

I don't know but it's explained at Scenarist HDMV manual.

Maybe this guide by Jokin helps you

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=135728


is it possible to make bd5 or bd9 with menu on a ps3 ?
You can make menus for AVCHD with Nero Vision. For official BD-5/BD-9 you can make Blu-ray menus(pop-up...java...)using Scenarist, but don't know if these ones will work at PS3, because of the AVCHD stuff

Thank you XolocoTuxmaster, with your guide and Pelican9s supread, I 've started to make my own BD-9 discs with dual audios and subs.

Cheers

You're welcome :)

This really is some phenomenal work. Who can I donate $5 to show my thanks?

You can do it by paypal to:

xolocotuxmaster[at]gmail[dot]com

Thank you:thanks:

@all you people

I see that a lot of you have doubts with CopyPermision. Just two things:
>3< doesn't enable a full (AACS) encryption, that's why you can for example input the "encrypted" files to Tsremux.
>0< is necessary for PS3 compatibility

[jamos]

@all you people

I see that a lot of you have doubts with CopyPermision. Just two things:
>3< doesn't enable a full (AACS) encryption, that's why you can for example input the "encrypted" files to Tsremux.
>0< is necessary for PS3 compatibility


If you do not include the AACS folder in your burn do you need to do this?

[PHD_1976]

To avoid buffer underflow you must use Thread 1 instead of auto. T

Could you please be more specific about avoiding buffer underflow, because I get "audio buffer underflow" trying to mux TrueHD stream in Scenarist.
Thanx in advance.

[Ryu77]

Hello everybody at doom9. This is my first post on these forums.

Previously I have spent a lot of time on www.afterdawn.com helping many people to create PS3 compatible HD movie files with the applications I found on this wonderful site. I've posted many links to download the software you guys create. I thought it's about time I joined up here at doom9 and started talking to the Authors of all this great software.

I just read through this entire thread and I am not sure if I missed it, but I have one question...

Is there a proven method to create PS3 compatible AVCHD/BD5/BD9 discs with working switchable subtitles?

I read here on many occasions that these discs are playing on the PS3 without a problem and I have already previously achieved this a number of times. However, at this point in time I have had no luck getting subtitles to work on the PS3 with HD video (720p/1080p). I can see verification that these play on PowerDVD (v7.2) but I can't seem to find a clear statement that these subs work on the PS3. Please excuse me if I missed this.

PS: A big, BIG thank you to all the Authors of all this incredible software. :)

[B4tm4n]

Hello everybody at doom9. This is my first post on these forums.

Previously I have spent a lot of time on www.afterdawn.com helping many people to create PS3 compatible HD movie files with the applications I found on this wonderful site. I've posted many links to download the software you guys create. I thought it's about time I joined up here at doom9 and started talking to the Authors of all this great software.

I just read through this entire thread and I am not sure if I missed it, but I have one question...

Is there a proven method to create PS3 compatible AVCHD/BD5/BD9 discs with working switchable subtitles?

I read here on many occasions that these discs are playing on the PS3 without a problem and I have already previously achieved this a number of times. However, at this point in time I have had no luck getting subtitles to work on the PS3 with HD video (720p/1080p). I can see verification that these play on PowerDVD (v7.2) but I can't seem to find a clear statement that these subs work on the PS3. Please excuse me if I missed this.

PS: A big, BIG thank you to all the Authors of all this incredible software. :)

I've produced at least three disc with working subtitles on my PS3, but I only do 1080p from encodes done by myself from the original source. Just follow the tutorial in the first thread and use Pelican9's supread for the subs.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=121535

Always get the latest version of the software.

[Ryu77]

I've produced at least three disc with working subtitles on my PS3, but I only do 1080p from encodes done by myself from the original source. Just follow the tutorial in the first thread and use Pelican9's supread for the subs.

Always get the latest version of the software.

Thank you, I am about to do a 720p encode and follow the steps on the first page of this thread.

It's a 2.35:1 aspect ratio video so I believe that I needed to add borders, right?

The resolution was 1280 x 528, so I added 96 lines to each the top and bottom.

[jamos]

Thank you, I am about to do a 720p encode and follow the steps on the first page of this thread.

It's a 2.35:1 aspect ratio video so I believe that I needed to add borders, right?

The resolution was 1280 x 528, so I added 96 lines to each the top and bottom.

did you read my tutorial on how to do this yes you need to add borders to make it 720p

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=135795

[B4tm4n]

The resolution was 1280 x 528, so I added 96 lines to each the top and bottom.

You should read Jamos thread, I always use the the original Bluray or HD-DVD so don't need to add the borders.
But if I had to add borders, I would be reading that thread aswell.:)

[Ryu77]

did you read my tutorial on how to do this yes you need to add borders to make it 720p

It was a rhetorical question. :)

Yes, I did take a look the guide. Thank you for posting that link. :thanks:
I am already quite familiar with all those steps and applications. Previously I had been happy with leaving my HD videos in a m2ts container for my PS3. This way I didn't have any concern if they were cropped or not (and not having chapters didn't bother me at all). However, I just recently discovered a couple of applications here at doom9 allowing subtitles to be included in an AVCHD (BD-5/BD-9) disc.

Now, that gives me the motivation to take it one step further and start authoring those mini BD discs. So, obviously if I have a cropped source I will need to fill up the remainder of the vertical resolution with black borders.

Thank you for the help guys. Keep up the great work!

[Ryu77]

Please excuse my double post. :)

One question... What would be the advantage of using this method as opposed to Roman's tsMuxeR?

My goal is to create a 720p (1280 x 720) AVCHD (BD-9) disc, with 2 audio tracks (DTS and ac3) and a subtitle track to play on the PS3.

Couldn't I just output Blu-ray in tsMuxeR and burn the BDMV and CERTIFICATE (<--- do I leave out this if created by tsMuxeR too?) folders as UDF 2.5 in Nero?

I tried once and it played but it seemed to "stick" a lot. Chapters and seeking didn't seem to work. I am using high quality media (Verbatim) with slow burn speeds (4x).

Is there something that I am missing? Do I need to use the Nero BDMV files with tsMuxeR too?

Or is this method here more reliable?

[B4tm4n]

@XolocoTuxmaster

Will this structure allow for a menu to be included in the disc yo be played back on a PS3 ?
I keep getting the PS3 to start playing the 'AVCHD' disc and then it errors out, I'm using the nero files to get the disc recognised. Without a menu it plays fine.

[blu_definition]

Hi, i am new from here and i have a probleme with Mui Generator
it give me an error when i try to create the .ves from the video file the other one it's work perfectly.

this is the message: http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/4/3/16/f_untitledm_840c2aa.jpg&srv=img26

[B4tm4n]

@XolocoTuxmaster

Will this structure allow for a menu to be included in the disc yo be played back on a PS3 ?
I keep getting the PS3 to start playing the 'AVCHD' disc and then it errors out, I'm using the nero files to get the disc recognised. Without a menu it plays fine.

I'm an idiot, in all the excitement of getting menus working I kept forgetting the change copy permission step.

[jamos]

Hi, i am new from here and i have a probleme with Mui Generator
it give me an error when i try to create the .ves from the video file the other one it's work perfectly.

this is the message: http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/4/3/16/f_untitledm_840c2aa.jpg&srv=img26

most likely you need to run the video file through a transcoder first using xolos bluray profiles with megui.

[blu_definition]

most likely you need to run the video file through a transcoder first using xolos bluray profiles with megui.

hello, i must use the megui before use xport or after?

jamos, i tried to run the megui profiles on the original .m2ts but it seems to stay too long almost 30 hours on 1st pass.

[napalm-187]

hi
i have a prob with srt file converting the scenarist bdn file

the srt have 172 titles i esport them wubtitle workshop export only 110 tiltels
i import the xml file in scenarist and get warnings

the movie length is 1,49.05 the subtitle shows onöy 1.05
where is here the prob?

the next prob ist supread
i have sup from hd dvd this is an forced sub

i cant get png and ssc files for scenarist?
can anyone help me

many thx

[Ryu77]

Please excuse me for posting this again but before I waste 20+ hours doing a h264 encode, I would really like to have some grounding before I begin. I posted this earlier but didn't get an answer. Would anybody be able to provide some insight into the following?...

One question... What would be the advantage of using this method as opposed to Roman's tsMuxeR?

My goal is to create a 720p (1280 x 720) AVCHD (BD-9) disc, with 2 audio tracks (DTS and ac3) and a subtitle track to play on the PS3.

Couldn't I just output Blu-ray in tsMuxeR and burn the BDMV and CERTIFICATE (<--- do I leave out this if created by tsMuxeR too?) folders as UDF 2.5 in Nero?

I tried once and it played but it seemed to "stick" a lot. Chapters and seeking didn't seem to work. I am using high quality media (Verbatim) with slow burn speeds (4x).

Is there something that I am missing? Do I need to use the Nero BDMV files with tsMuxeR too?

Or is this method here more reliable?

Thank you very much for your help! :thanks:

[jamos]

hello, i must use the megui before use xport or after?

jamos, i tried to run the megui profiles on the original .m2ts but it seems to stay too long almost 30 hours on 1st pass.

what is your computer speed? x264 encoders are very cpu intensive.

[jamos]

Please excuse me for posting this again but before I waste 20+ hours doing a h264 encode, I would really like to have some grounding before I begin. I posted this earlier but didn't get an answer. Would anybody be able to provide some insight into the following?...



Thank you very much for your help! :thanks:

the newest version of tsmuxer works better with ff/rw. If you were using a older version you may want to try again. Else, yes you have to transcode.

[Ryu77]

the newest version of tsmuxer works better with ff/rw. If you were using a older version you may want to try again. Else, yes you have to transcode.

Thank you very much jamos but I am more referring to the Blu-ray output. I always get the latest version of any software. Whenever I export m2ts files, they play perfect and seek just fine.

I had one attempt at making an AVCHD (Blu-ray on DVD9 for PS3) for the purpose of including subtitles. I am about to have another crack at it.

My question is, which method produces better (more reliable) results? The method on this thread, or using tsMuxeR to output Blu-ray folder structure?

Also, if I do go with tsMuxer do I leave out the "CERTIFICATE" folder for PS3 compatibility and only burn the "BDMV" folder?

Also, if I use tsMuxeR, should I still replace the BDMV (index.bdmv and Movieobject.bdmv) files with the Nero ones listed here?

I offer my gratitude to anyone that could offer some clarification here. :thanks:

PS: The only reason I am re-encoding is to include borders for the mini BD (DVD9) compatibility so I can include switchable subtitles. In the past if I had a cropped video, I just muxed into a m2ts container as cropping is not an issue here.