Encode EVO HD files to AVI/MKV/MP4/MPG 1/2 etc.?

[dezza9995]

I have Sonic Cine Player HD DVD decoder 4.2 installed.

@Sephiroth i sent u a link.

And by the way, when you open the EVO file in TMPEnc it sets the framerate incorrectly at 29fps, make sure to alter this first.

[Sephiroth0000]

I have Sonic Cine Player HD DVD decoder 4.2 installed.

@Sephiroth i sent u a link.

And by the way, when you open the EVO file in TMPEnc it sets the framerate incorrectly at 29fps, make sure to alter this first.

Nice :)

[Sephiroth0000]

Deza what machine are you running mate? I am running a Dual Core 1.86Ghz, 1.5GB Ram, ATI Radeon X1400 and I have attemped loading the EVO into TMPGEnc and at first it said the program was not responding and now it that warning has gone on its own but it does not seem to be doing anything but it is loading up something. How long does it normally take you to load up the EVO?

[dezza9995]

Im at work at the moment using remote desktop to home but i cant remotley put a HD_DVD disk in the drive to test again until the morning. It only really took around 10 secs or so to open the EVO file though, its got a quad core processor though.

Also im using TMPGEnc Xpress 4.4.234, is that the same as yours?

[dezza9995]

Ill put something together in the morning showing what i done and what i used to show you how i done it, and ill post it here for you to look at.

[tyee]

much appreciated dezza9995. We'll be waiting!!

[dezza9995]

Ok i found the problem m8. Remove AC3Filter from your system, it causes TMPEnc to hang and is not needed to encode to WMV. You still need to use FFMpeg to create a new audio stream to replace the one in the EVO when opened in TMPEnc.

Just to recap then: Use EVODemux to rebuild the evo from the HD-DVD to contain just the 1 video stream and the 1 audio stream. Use FFMpeg to convert the E-AC3 audio from the rebuilt EVO to a normal AC3 file. Install Sonic Cineplayer HD-DVD decoder and the evo file will open in TMPGEnc directly. Change the audio within TMPGenc to the newly created AC3 file and change video source to progressive and correct the framrate to 23.759 (or whatever it is i cant remember exactly). You can then go to the encode settings. i used WM9 advanced profile for the video and WM10 or WM9 lossless for the 5.1 audio output. Correct the video size to 1280x720 and use the calculator button to work out the bitrate depending on the media it is going to be put onto. Also, set it to 2 pass encoding or whatever you prefer and then let it go and encode.

I will be back online here around 10pm when i go back to work if you have any other questions as i have very quickly typed this up and may have missed something but i must sleep now.

[bgbop15]

Ok i found the problem m8. Remove AC3Filter from your system, it causes TMPEnc to hang and is not needed to encode to WMV. You still need to use FFMpeg to create a new audio stream to replace the one in the EVO when opened in TMPEnc.

Just to recap then: Use EVODemux to rebuild the evo from the HD-DVD to contain just the 1 video stream and the 1 audio stream. Use FFMpeg to convert the E-AC3 audio from the rebuilt EVO to a normal AC3 file. Install Sonic Cineplayer HD-DVD decoder and the evo file will open in TMPGEnc directly. Change the audio within TMPGenc to the newly created AC3 file and change video source to progressive and correct the framrate to 23.759 (or whatever it is i cant remember exactly). You can then go to the encode settings. i used WM9 advanced profile for the video and WM10 or WM9 lossless for the 5.1 audio output. Correct the video size to 1280x720 and use the calculator button to work out the bitrate depending on the media it is going to be put onto. Also, set it to 2 pass encoding or whatever you prefer and then let it go and encode.

I will be back online here around 10pm when i go back to work if you have any other questions as i have very quickly typed this up and may have missed something but i must sleep now.

Thanks so much, cant wait to try this!

[dezza9995]

I've tried to get around this problem by simply demuxing the video stream into a file on its own but it seems that the chapters get mixed up and some of the beginning of the move is moved to the end. Anyone know why this is?

[dezza9995]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9AP1UQYR

I've made a quick quide to the settings used to create the WMV movies. Its done over a remote desktop to my home so it probably not put together very well but should give you an idea of how i done it.

I have just sucessfully made a 720p WMV of The Matrix from HD-DVD too and its working just fine on Xbox360.

[tyee]

I'm just setting up tmpgenc and it looks like the highest resolution for H264 is only 720*576. I'm trying to output avchd for the ps3 but looks like this won't work. Any tips??

I'll try the wmv9 just for fun but the ps3 can't do anything with it I guess.

Nice tutorial though dezza9995, thanks a lot!!

[dezza9995]

Seems the options for this output are limited. If you select Apple mov as output u can select H264 from there with 1280x720 resolution, but the compression options are extremeley limited.

[Sephiroth0000]

I'm just setting up tmpgenc and it looks like the highest resolution for H264 is only 720*576. I'm trying to output avchd for the ps3 but looks like this won't work. Any tips??

I'll try the wmv9 just for fun but the ps3 can't do anything with it I guess.

Nice tutorial though dezza9995, thanks a lot!!

Tyee attempt to use the MPEG4 AVC option in TMPGEnc if you would like a Playstation3 compatiable file. It does the video in AVC and the audio in AAC which is both accepted by the Playstation3 I believe.

[tyee]

@Sephiroth0000

Yes, that's what I was trying to use, and I just tried again and it limits me to 720*576 resolution. Did you expect that limit??

[Sephiroth0000]

@Sephiroth0000

Yes, that's what I was trying to use, and I just tried again and it limits me to 720*576 resolution. Did you expect that limit??

Looking into it now mate.....bear with me :)

[Sephiroth0000]

@Sephiroth0000

Yes, that's what I was trying to use, and I just tried again and it limits me to 720*576 resolution. Did you expect that limit??


Right there is a solution to this. Instead of trying to use MPEG4 AVC use just the standard MPEG template and use MPEG Video 1. This will allow your frame rates to go all the way up to 1920x1080. With the audio and the options you have I would say go with DOLBY DIGITAL. The Playstation 3 by rights should accept the audio with no problems but I can guarantee it will accept the MPEG 1 video. DO NOT go for MPEG 2 video as once again it has a resolution restriction :)

[tyee]

Looks like the .mov option will work too as dezza9995 mentioned somewhere, and it's easily possible to convert the mov to an mp4 using Quiktime Pro, like this --

Using the Quicktime Pro software and its movie export feature, you can remove the .mov file name and save the files as standard mp4 files.
1) The first step is to make sure you have Quicktime Pro installed on your PC. You can download this program from the apple website either on its own or as part of itunes. The basic version is free, but the upgrade to pro costs $20 or $30 if you don't already have a registration code.

2) Visit the website www.apple.com/trailers (http://www.apple.com/trailers) to download quicktime format movie trailers. Choose your movie trailer from those available on the site and choose the resolution. The video file will automatically open in Quicktime player and will begin to download. This process can take longer on larger files. When it has downloaded, click on the file menu and click "Export..".
3) In the "Save exported file as:" dialog box, write a filename for the clip, and in the "Export" drop down box select "Movie to MPEG-4", and then click the "Options..." button.

4) In the file format drop down options, select "MP4" [not "MP4 (ISMA)"], and under Video Format select "Pass through". If the video resolution shown at the bottom of the dialog box is EXACTLY 1920x1080 or 1280x720, then you can skip step 5. Unfortunately most of the trailer files tend to have strange resolutions like 1920x804.

5) If the file you downloaded needs to be resized then under the Video Format option change the selection to "H.264".
There are now more options available. For Image Size select either 1920x1080 or 1280x720, then click next to "preserve aspect ratio", and make sure "Letterbox" is selected. This process enables your video to be reencoded to add the black letterbox bars to create an HD resolution image.
Under framerate, select "current", and change the default bitrate option in the region of 8000-10000 will be fine. For a better quality video you can do a multipass reencode for higher quality but will take you longer to encode. If this is for you then, select the "Video options" button, and change the encoding mode to "Best Quality (Multi-pass)"

6) Select the "Audio" option in the main dropdown box and make sure that the audio is set to "pass through". If the pass-through option is greyed out then use the default values.
Click OK to be returned to the main screen where you chose the file name. Click OK again to begin exporting. If the video does not need to be re-encoded then this process will inly take a couple of seconds, if it does then it will take several minutes.

7) To watch this on your PS3 you can either burn to CD/DVD or put the file onto a memory card.


When this process is completed you will have a PS3 compatible HD video file to show off on your large LCD or Plasma TV.

tyee

[bgbop15]

can you have 5.1 audio with this method?

[slow4mula]

hey guys i'm having problems with the audio. i am supposed to be using the version of ffmpeg that supports eac3 correct? if i demux the evo into seperate audio streams the main audio track won't play in anything and reports as like 4.5 hours long. if i rebuild the evo like dezza's instructions and use ffmpeg it gives me all kinds of errors.

can someone explain the audio steps a little more in depth i feel retarded...

[dezza9995]

Ive had problems with demuxing the video stream too. It seems to mess up the chapters a bit, parts from the beginning were moved to the end. Only way i found to work was to rebuild the evo. As for FFMpeg, i have read that it is buggy with EAC3 audio and kicks out errors but still the audio seems to be ok once done.

[Sephiroth0000]

Right I gave it a bash last night and did get the audio working via using the method I stated in the EVO to WMV HD thread but it was not synced correctly. I am going to give it another bash later and let you lot know how I got on.

[slow4mula]

i just demuxed the video track with evodemux and ripped the ac3 track from the regular dvd (batman begins). i used tmpg's internal cut utility to sync the audio to the video (it was off some)...kinda quirky but seemed to work.

i tried keeping 1080p resolution @ 7250 avg bitrate...i wonder how crappy it will look lol...

on a core 2 duo 2.14 it was something like 18 hours to encode..

[Sephiroth0000]

i just demuxed the video track with evodemux and ripped the ac3 track from the regular dvd (batman begins). i used tmpg's internal cut utility to sync the audio to the video (it was off some)...kinda quirky but seemed to work.

i tried keeping 1080p resolution @ 7250 avg bitrate...i wonder how crappy it will look lol...

on a core 2 duo 2.14 it was something like 18 hours to encode..


Attempt to put the bitrate as VARIABLE with a maximum of 50MBS and and an average bitrate of 15MBS minimum. Im sure this is roughly the default for BluRay and HD DVD.

[matrix40]

Hey first off thanks for the info from everyone. i am having trouble with the video. My batman begins The audio say 2 hours and 20 plus minutes. The video portion when i try to import it into tmpg only shows 1 hour and 40 mintes of my movie.

[Fender321]

I was having this same problem for an AVC EVO source. The video always came out running too fast. Nothing I did fixed this, so I did some more research.

I found a program called DGAVCDecode, which easily converts the demuxed video file to a format that can be converted to an AVSynth file. The readme in the DGAVCDecode explains how. It creates a .dga file, which is just a text file, which I needed to manually edit to change the fps to 24000 / 1001. Luckily enough, TMPGenc will then load the .avs script and it will have the correct framerate.

Another problem I had was with the audio from ffmpeg. It was very noisy and full of popping. Make sure you listen to your ac3 file before you start the process. I ended up doing the eac3 to ac3 conversion with a program called Eac3To and using sonic decoder 4.3 (yes, 4.3 is required sadly).

So, after those 2 fixes, everything seems to work beautifully. ANother nice thing I found was that EVODemux will tell you the audio offset so you don't have to try to do it yourself. Once you load an EVO, look for the video source, and it will say something like:
First PTS = 00002FD6 (+83ms)
Which means you need to offset the audio in TMPGEnc by -83ms.

I'd like to also add, if it wasn't known already, TMPGenc was able to load the raw m2ts blu-ray rip I tried (VC-1) and convert it perfectly.

[tyee]

@Fender321

This is good news. Question though, did you load the .dga file or the raw m2ts rip into TMPEnc?? You seem to say both?

1. Demux video and audio with EVODemux
2. Load AVC video into DGAVCDecode to create .dga frameserver file
3. Edit .dga fps to 23.976, then load into a .avs file (could you show us your avs file)
2. Convert audio.eac3 to audio.ac3 with Eac3to using Sonic 4.3
3. Load .avs and .ac3 files into TMPGEnc and convert

Is that about it.

Did you try Sonic 4.2, and will it not work??

For an HD-DVD VC1 source, steps 2 and 3 won't work. I read today somewhere on doom9 we must remove the pulldown from an HD-DVD VC1 file using vc1conv.exe, I believe. Is this correct?

Come to think of it, TMPGEnc has a selection for fps. Did this not work when set to 23.976?? I thought dezza9995 did this and his encode worked fine?? Read above a few posts.

PS. Whoops, my first question I think I can answer. For VC1 BR source TMPGEnc accepts fine (fps=23.976), it's just when source is AVC from .evo that the above procedure is used.

AFAIK all HD-DVD encodes, VC1 or AVC, have pulldown applied to get 29.97fps. All Blu-R's are 23.976fps. I think we really should remove this pulldown even though TMPGEnc accepts VC1 with it as dezza9995 talked about earlier.

[dburckh]

Just thought I would post my method for converting VC1 HD DVD to MPG2 and Xvid (and possibly many others).

Common:

Demux VC-1 to video.vc1 and EAC-3 audio to audio.eac3 my with EVODemux

MPG-2:

Using an ffmpeg with eac3 support

ffmpeg -f vc1 -r 24000/1001 -i video.vc1 -i audio.eac3 -sameq -vcodec mpeg2video -acodec ac3 -ac 6 -ab 448k myMpeg2.ts

Xvid:


Transcode audio.eac3 using eac3to to audio.ac3
ffmpeg -f vc1 -r 24000/1001 -i video.vc1 -an -sameq -vcodec libxvid -vtag XVID myMpeg2.avi
Mux in audio.ac3 with Avi-Mux GUI*

*ffmpeg doesn't properly mux avi files over 2gb, so you need to use Avi-Mux GUI.
*Depending on your ffmpeg build, you may have to sub. "xvid" for "libxvid"

For 2:35 video, I usually add -croptop 132 -cropbottom 132.

I've used both of these methods to produce 1080p video that's playable on my SimgaDesigns 8620 (Buffalo LinkTheater).

[Fender321]

@tyee:
Yep all those steps are right, except I load the .avs file into TMPGenc, not the .dga.

The AVS script is quite simple:
LoadPlugin("DGAVCDecode.dll")
AVCSource("avc-hd-dvd.dga")

Yes, sonic 4.2 will not work with Eac3to, unfortunately, I tried.

Yes, no matter what the fps was set to in TMPGenc, the video ALways came out playing too fast. It was quite frustrating. Perhaps it's something specific to AVC sources.

For some reason, the fps is just not detected properly. Evodemux tells me it's 60fps for the AVC sources.

Now, if I could just get the quicktime output to work (it crashes tmpgenc as soon as I try to change the video codec).

So glad I found this thread, hats off to everyone who's contributed to the research here.

[tyee]

@Fender321

I just tried sonic 4.2 and it seemed to work ok with the latest eac3to and gui!

Thanks for that correction, I changed my post.

I'll have to try the video tomorrow. Have you tried a VC1 encode from an HD-DVD (evo) yet?

[Fender321]

Interesting that sonic 4.2 works. Perhaps I'll try it again! Would be nice to have one version that works for everything.

I just did fresh install of everything on another system and found that the Xvid codec is required in order for TMPGenc to load the .avs file.

Nope, so far I only have a VC-1 BR and an AVC HD-DVD. I've encoded both of those perfectly now. With the trouble I had with the HD-DVD, I'm ready to declare Blu-Ray the winner of the format war :)

[fakker]

Also had success with this method (or something similar)...
I used Evodemux to merge just the video streams, then again to save the sound separately, then converting to ac3 with eac3tool...

I had issues when trying to open the vc1 into TMpeg - which was resolved by using Graphedit to have the stream play, while this was open I was then able to open the vc1 with TMpeg and carry on with the rest.

I also read a tutorial regarding mkv>wmv which has a nice wmv template that you can use which is a sticky on xbox-scene (all you have to do is change the resolution depending on what you are looking for).

Encode of Constantine took 11 hours, I set it to take the full capacity of a DVD9 as I am putting this on an external drive for the 360...

Intel E6600 2.4, 2gb ram - I must add, it probably took a few hours longer than it could have due to me using remote desktop to the computer whilst I was at work to browse the Internet.

[matrix40]

I must be doing something wrong whe i try to load the vc-1 file into the dgav i get a bunch of errors

Found nalu type 15 len 22 undefined ignore nalu moving on

a bunch od these type errors comes up.


I tried something called hd dvd demux and for some reason the main movie demuxed to vc-1 but the other evos converted to m2v clips that i can play. If only it did that for the movie itself

Also i tried riverpast video cleaner pro. It has a guide and links of what to download. It works great on the other evos of Batman Begins. But the main Feature it has problems.

[Sephiroth0000]

If it is true that TMPGEnc can accept an AVS file for the video then may I suggest the following...

DEMUX HD DVD (VC1 or AVC extension depending on file format of feature) --- create a graph as follows

For VC1 file use FEATURE --- SONIC HD DEMUXER --- SONIC VIDEO DECODER 42 or 4.3
For AVC file use FEATURE --- SONIC HD DEMUXER --- CYBERLINK AVC DECODER

(save this graph as Video_Only.grf). Then with AviSynth create an AVS file as follows

Directshowsource("C:\Path to\Video_Only.grf", fps=23.976, audio=false, seekzero=false, seek=true, framecount=xxxx) R

Replace the xxxx with the actual COUNTED frames from EvoDemux not the CALCULATED FRAMES and then save this file as Video_Only.avs. Attempt to play the AVS file with either Windows Media Player or Nero Showtime. If it plays with no problems then it has been done correctly (oblivously there will be no sound) Load up the AVS file into TMPGENC and if it loads then the video at least should have no problems at all and then it just comes down to the audio which we do seperately anyway. Hope this helps!

[fakker]

similar, I just use graphedit to see if it would play (vc1>sonic>render output)
it plays, i keep graphedit open for a few moments while I open the vc1 in tmpg, once it has been accepted i kill graphedit because it's no longer needed


the project input is the vc1 (which has no sound), and then the sound input is the ac3 file created and the rest is simple.

in the middle of converting superman now...

[slow4mula]

Hey first off thanks for the info from everyone. i am having trouble with the video. My batman begins The audio say 2 hours and 20 plus minutes. The video portion when i try to import it into tmpg only shows 1 hour and 40 mintes of my movie.

i had this exact problem. instead of demuxing the video stream just unselect everything except the main video stream and rebuild instead of demux the video in evodemux.

[Sephiroth0000]

Well for anyone who has either the Xbox 360 or the Playstation 3 just to let you know that DIVX support is coming. Divx content and files are already supported with the 360 and Playstation 3 is just in the final certified DIVX testing bit before launching properly. So it might be an idea if someone can do a DIVX HD file and see what it is like.

[dezza9995]

I was going to try out the divx file format. Will have a go after the weekend when im off work.

[SamuriHL]

I wanna know how divx goes. That's what I'm highly interested in. Especially their 1080 profile. If you get it to work let us know how you did it. :) One thing I'd *REALLY* like and is off topic for this particular thread is a way to merge m2ts files on Blu-ray into one file. I can't wait until we have one tool that does all this stuff at the push of a button. Yes...I'm lazy. :D

[tyee]

I'm just trying a short segment using divx with TMPGEnc. There is no profile for 1080p, but you can get it if you select "Do not use profile", then just enter the output resolution you want. I'm trying 1920x1080. I hope my codecs will play it?

TMPGEnc wanted to split at 2GB per file, I wonder why? I set it to 3.9GB and it crashed. Started again and let it be 2GB and it started to encode!

To get a soundtrack with ac3 I guess we can mux with VirtualDub, yes?

[SamuriHL]

Only one way to find out. :)

[tyee]

I guess my crash wasn't due to file size change but output resolution settings. The 1080p encode went well for the 3 minute segment I did, but I tried to set output resolution to 1280x720 and it keeps on crashing on me. Any suggestions?

Do all divx encoders encode up to 1080p as of today also? How about MeGUI, does it do 1080p xvid or divx??

How about xvid_encraw (I think that's the name)?

Update -- Well, I tried it again at 1280x720 and this time it didn't crash, but I chose constant bitrate instead of constant quality before when it crashed. Strange.

Update2 -- Tried again at 1280x720, this time no crash. Must be a bug in Sonic Decoder I guess.

[tyee]

Anyone know how to change my source to 23.976fps coming from the .evo. All HD-DVDs are flagged at 29.97 AFAIK. I'm getting jerkyness in my encodes every few seconds when I set TMPGEnc to output 23.976, which is what I want.

I assume the only way is via avisynth using something like AssumeFPS(23.976)?

[woah!]

I must be doing something wrong whe i try to load the vc-1 file into the dgav i get a bunch of errors

Found nalu type 15 len 22 undefined ignore nalu moving on

a bunch od these type errors comes up.


I tried something called hd dvd demux and for some reason the main movie demuxed to vc-1 but the other evos converted to m2v clips that i can play. If only it did that for the movie itself

Also i tried riverpast video cleaner pro. It has a guide and links of what to download. It works great on the other evos of Batman Begins. But the main Feature it has problems.


dont think you can run a vc1 file through DGAVCindex... only AVC files..



Replace the xxxx with the actual COUNTED frames from EvoDemux not the CALCULATED FRAMES

i would NOT do that... check the length of the audio file and the avs script length they will be many secs outta sync.. use the calculated frame amount..

[matrix40]

Im gonna try the avisynth method as soon as i figure out how to use it lol. Ill report back with my results.

[Sephiroth0000]

i would NOT do that... check the length of the audio file and the avs script length they will be many secs outta sync.. use the calculated frame amount..[/QUOTE]

I was always under the impression that using the CALCULATED frames may result in the end of the movie being chopped off. Oblivously this is not the case? With regards to the audio being out of sync I use the method posted in this thread earlier with EVODEMUX. It tells you with the audio is + or - how many seconds. Could you go abit more into detail with this please and explain your method in full so I can see if I get better results. With 300 the audio was in sync but seemed off with 4 or 5 certain parts of the film. It was only for a second or two mind you though.

[Sephiroth0000]

I did a DIVX test file last night and it seemed to work perfectly. I did not use a profile so I had no restrictions and was successful in getting 1920x1080 resolution and with regards to the bitrate I had it set to maximum quality. The result was pretty impressive however we can only achieve 2 channel audio. Why is there no 5.1 option?

[tyee]

I did a DIVX test file last night and it seemed to work perfectly. I did not use a profile so I had no restrictions and was successful in getting 1920x1080 resolution and with regards to the bitrate I had it set to maximum quality. The result was pretty impressive however we can only achieve 2 channel audio. Why is there no 5.1 option?

Like I said above can't we use TMPGEnc to encode the video and then use VirtualDubMod to mux the ac3 into the final stream. I haven't tried it yet but theoretically it should work.

So as of now, I guess no current standalone Divx players can play the 720p or 1080p we just encoded?? The PS3 sure better be able to when it gets it's Divx support at the end of the month supposedly!

Also, my divx encode was running about 3x as fast as the H.264 encode, and when played back I thought h.264 was a hair better but I was guessing, they're that close. I think I'll stick with the divx method with my P4 2.8GHz machine for now!

[Sephiroth0000]

Like I said above can't we use TMPGEnc to encode the video and then use VirtualDubMod to mux the ac3 into the final stream. I haven't tried it yet but theoretically it should work.

So as of now, I guess no current standalone Divx players can play the 720p or 1080p we just encoded?? The PS3 sure better be able to when it gets it's Divx support at the end of the month supposedly!

Also, my divx encode was running about 3x as fast as the H.264 encode, and when played back I thought h.264 was a hair better but I was guessing, they're that close. I think I'll stick with the divx method with my P4 2.8GHz machine for now!


I am not muxing AC3 audio or anything. I am actually using the audio that comes in the REBUILT EVO. I have no screeching or anything and the audio source is mint (I am still trying to figure out why its not screeching or anything like other people have had)

[tyee]

@Sephiroth0000

That's good news. I should try that. So which audio track is being used by TMPGEnc, Dolby true HD or DD+?? Oh, it just ocurred to me it must be a .ac3 track that was done during rebuilding, yes!!

Aren't you getting frame jumps every couple of seconds if you've set the output frame rate to 23.976 and the source is 29.97?

[Ajax_Undone]

Has someone yet found a solution for HD/BD to Divx???
:rolleyes:

:sly:If not then would anybody care helping to get HD to Transcode to Divx HD Using the Dr... http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=126145
:thanks: