HD-DVD to DVD-9, working method (at least for me!) playable in Toshiba HD-A1 Tutorial

[sandman1687]

I'm trying to backup my planet earth HDDVD's, and put 2 episodes on each backup DVD. I've encoded them with MeGUI down from 1080p to 720p,
did the h264info 3:2 pulldown, and imported the ac3 and .264 files into Sonic SAC. I try to build the project, and i get a "Too many pictures in GOP" error, as seen below.
http://members.cox.net/sandman1687/gop.png

I get this error when im building the project with one or two episodes. this is the command MeGUI is running on the file:
--pass 2 --bitrate 5563 --stats ".stats" --ref 8 --mixed-refs --bframes 3 --b-pyramid --b-rdo --bime --weightb --direct auto --nf
--subme 6 --trellis 2 --analyse all --8x8dct --vbv-maxrate 25000 --ratetol 6.0 --qcomp 0.1 --me esa --merange 18 --threads auto --thread-input

any thoughts?

[quantum]

Try adding --keyint 12 - if that works, bump it to --keyint 14

[sandman1687]

thanks, i'll try that and get back to you

[Toti]

@ Sandman, I get errors when using the pulldown on AVCwith Alpha 6. http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125568

@Quantum
I did scrolldown and it looks just like yours.

http://aycu37.webshots.com/image/18156/2001860730739386818_rs.jpg

[quantum]

Then you understand that it's not set correctly? It must be DVD+RL in the lower part. DVD-ROM will not work.

[Pitou]

@Toti,

I see that your project use filesystems ISO, Joliet, and UDF.

I'm not sure that for HD-DVD, we should use UDF only.

I always use UDF only btw...

Not sure if it makes any difference.

Pitou!

[Nasgul]

Hi,

I finally managed to get a working (and perfectly playing!) encode with Cinevision... What I did different from Toti:

I used a simple AVS-Script with Directshowsource("xyz.EVO", fps=23.976, audio=false) via VFAPIConv as Input, which worked for me.

My problem now: Even though I have a video and audio of exactly the same length (to the millisecond!), the audio is async for about 1 Sec after Muxing the Projects. (Delay stays the same during the whole movie, doesn´t get worse to the end!).

Any ideas what might cause this?? Any help would be greatly appreciated, I´m sooo close to happy :rolleyes:

Best regards,
Nas

[Sagittaire]

My problem now: Even though I have a video and audio of exactly the same length (to the millisecond!), the audio is async for about 1 Sec after Muxing the Projects. (Delay stays the same during the whole movie, doesn´t get worse to the end!).

Well always the same problem ... there are async with cinevision + scenarist for many user. Certainely a filter incompatibility ...

[sandman1687]

@quantum

thanks for the tip, it seems to have helped. only problem now is that my computer, for some reason, isnt powerful enough to play the authored HD-DVD (mounted) image smoothly in PowerDVD, yet will play the raw .264 and .ac3 files muxed in a Matroska container just fine. No matter.

[Toti]

Hi,

I finally managed to get a working (and perfectly playing!) encode with Cinevision... What I did different from Toti:

I used a simple AVS-Script with Directshowsource("xyz.EVO", fps=23.976, audio=false) via VFAPIConv as Input, which worked for me.

My problem now: Even though I have a video and audio of exactly the same length (to the millisecond!), the audio is async for about 1 Sec after Muxing the Projects. (Delay stays the same during the whole movie, doesn´t get worse to the end!).

Any ideas what might cause this?? Any help would be greatly appreciated, I´m sooo close to happy :rolleyes:

Best regards,
Nas

Am glad to hear that. I know it works because I do it everyday. It does happen that the audio is not in sync but that is because there is a delay on the original.

Almost always, if you cut the muxed MPEG2 (say a OTA .ts recording, or a previous encode) it will create a delay but in my case DGMPG Index will always tell me the delay. If you have not way of knowing I put the video in Virtual Dub then set "Options -> Drop Frames When Behind", then start playing with the delay on "Audio -> Interleaving ->Delay Audio Track by..." When you have it in sync then use Delay Cut Tool 1.2.1.2 to adjust the delay on the AC3 without re-encoding.

What's your source anyway?

[Nasgul]

Hi,

What's your source anyway?

Source are HDDVDs (decrypted VC1 EVOs with DD+ or DTSHD audio).

Synching the audio manually is not a very good option, I find it VERY hard to perfectly lipsync them by hand.

Do you have to do that on many of your titles? I tried 2 so far and both are about 1-1.5 seconds async.


@Sagittaire:

there are async with cinevision + scenarist for many user. Certainely a filter incompatibility ...


Strange thing is that both audio and video are EXACTLY the same lenght (see pics). Is this the same with others who have sync problems (in your screenshots your video+audio have different lenghts!)?

I cannot quite figure out how they can be async after muxing when having the same length. A also don´t think its a filter issue, since filters should not play any role when just muxing in scenarist, should they?

I will try a fresh install in VMWare with only Cinevision and Scenarist...

Regards,
Nas

[Toti]

I only get sync issues when I select a part of a .ts file but I fix this quickly with AC3 Delay Cut since when I use DG MPG Index it tells me the delay. However, when I encode HD-DVDs I never have to touch the audio not even delay it and it is perfect.

I did get a sync issue with my last encode which was Alien Vs Predator Bluray rip. I had to compress about 5 minutes with TMPGEnc to MPEG1&MPEGaudio. I then load it to Virtual Dub then delay the audio and test. Once I found the delay I applied it on the original and perfect sync.

How do you input the EVO into CineVision?

[DarkNite]

He was referring to the "cinderella1_24p.vc1" extracted from the decrypted ".evo". ".vc1" is a valid input extension in CineVision.

[Nasgul]

Hi,

actually I´m using VFAPIConv with the following AVS-script as input to Cinevision:

Directshowsource("xyz.EVO", fps=23.976, audio=false).


Cinderella1_24p.vc1 in the above example is the final output from Cinevision.
(Using .vc1 directly in Cinevision gives the wrong length, at least for me...)


I´ve finished a fresh windows installation with all tools from scratch and it´s encoding right now, I´ll let you know if it´s any different.

Regards,
Nas

[Nasgul]

Hi,

still no luck, even with a fresh install.
I now get the same results as Sagittaire - different lenght of video and audio after encode with Cinevision. I tried several different avs-scripts, but no luck so far.

Toti, what´s the exact script and graph you use when feeding Cinevision with a decrypted HDDVD?

Are you using Sonic Videodecoder 4.1 oder 4.2? (I have only tried 4.2 so far, trying to downgrade right now)

Regards,
nas

[Toti]

@Nasgul, Let me guide you step by step on what I do.

On a freshly installed system (this is to make sure that no other program or codec is going to interfere). Install the following in the same order:
- Roxio Media Creator 9 (if you use this program)
- Scenarist Advanced Content 4.11
- CineVision 1.2
- Scenarist Standard Content 4.12 (the same exact version is KEY)

HD-DVD Rips
Open GraphEdit:
1. DirectShowFilter -> File Source (Async) -> Select the EVO file
2. Sonic Cinemaster VideoDecoder 4.1
3. Connect the EVO to the Video Decoder, GraphEdit takes a few seconds to connect to check video and add the demuxer.

After this step just save your .GRF file and add it on the .avs file thru DirectShowSource. Drop the .avs file on VFAPIConv then feed that .avi to CineVision. I explained it better on http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=126963 I even added screen shots.

Now, this works great. However, three days ago I got CineVision 2.0.2 Beta and this screw things up really bad. If you want I can add a few screenshots of CineVision 2.0. The problem with 2.0 is that you must uninstall 1.2 first then it adds its own filters that it won't work with the graphedit I just mentioned. To top it off, it won't run simultaneously with Scenarist 4.11 one or the other will crash.

I have been testing CineVision 2.0 with my DirecTVHD recordings. So far I don't noticed an improvement with the AVC BUT VC1 has been improved tremendously. Quality has been improved so vastly for me to noticed on the first encode.

I was encoding Super Bowl XLI which is almost three hours and lots of movement (I am restricted to DualLayer Capacity). It obviously looks way better than AVC on either 1.2 or 2.0.

Now, the greatest thing is that when encoding on AVC has about 20% faster than previously. VC1 encoding speed has been encreased as well but it takes about 58% of the time it takes to encode it in AVC.

Now, I have tried another filter that is not Scenarist Standard Content to encode HD-DVDs so far they all crash and I can't encode. I think Standard Content installs VideoDecoder 4.2 but not sure.

On CineVision 1.2 I only encode AVC but on 2.0 I encode VC1. Now, I think I need the newest Scenarist that won't crash CineVision but then again I don't know if the newone will work with HD-DVDs.

I need to find another filter that works with GraphEdit so I can use CineVision 2.0. I dont like too much VC1 because I can't edit it, index it, or do anything with it. Ever since DGAVCDec came out I want to stir towards AVC but the quality improvement on VC1 can't be denied or ignored. My space contraints pushme towards the best quality and ignore the comodity of AVC indexer.

[Toti]

http://aycu13.webshots.com/image/18612/2000133996011405513_rs.jpg

http://aycu21.webshots.com/image/20540/2000174251966110139_rs.jpg

http://aycu25.webshots.com/image/20904/2000158541477310417_rs.jpg

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This is the error when you run GraphEdit without Scenarist Standard Content 4.11 filters

http://aycu24.webshots.com/image/17223/2000181262701134790_rs.jpg

http://aycu14.webshots.com/image/20853/2000194155061867838_rs.jpg

[Toti]

@ Everyone, Pitou versions work great with CineVision 2.0. Thanks PITOU!!!

[Nasgul]

Hi Toti,

thanks a lot for your efforts... I still have had no luck so far, guess I will try another fresh install tomorrow.

Maybe my versions slightly differ - after installing Scenarist SCA 4.12, I end up with Sonic Videodecoder 4.2 on my system and not 4.1. I only get 4.1 when Installing SCA 4.11.

I´ve tried dozens of scripts and encodes, and 95% of them end up with the same length (same for CV 1.2 or 2.0), which I think is the correct one. Unfortunately, the demuxed audio just does not match, it´s 6 seconds short. *sigh*

Thx,
Nas

[Pitou]

@ Toti

Thanks to you too, for all your efforts! :)

I'll try to do some tests with cinevision 2.0 as well

Pitou!

[blubberbirne]

Hi,

i need some little help.

H:\Test>x264.exe --keyint 14 --min-keyint 1 --vbv-maxrate 20000 --vbv-init 1.0 -
-vbv-bufsize 14745 --mvrange 511 --level 4.1 --nal-hrd --bframe 2 --bime --weigh
tb --ref 1 --mixed-refs --direct auto --deblock -1:-1 --bitrate 12500 --pass 1 -
-stats "x264_stat.log" --qcomp 0.75 --ipratio 1.10 --pbratio 1.10 --partitions "
all" --8x8dct --me "hex" --subme 5 --aud --sar 1:1 --deadzone-intra 6 --deadzone
-inter 6 --progress -o movie.264 h:\test\test.avs

avis [error]: unsupported input format (DIB )
x264 [error]: could not open input file 'h:\test\test.avs'

Here is the test.avs

DirectShowSource("H:\Test\test.grf",fps=23.98,audio=false)
AddBorders(0,144,0,144)

In Mediaplayer Classic the avs plays fine

EDIT:

when i opened the video with directshow and not with the grf file, it works.

DirectShowSource("H:\-=HDTV=-\-=Trailer=-\miami_vice-tlr2_h1080p_remuxed.mp4",fps=23.98,audio=false)

But, i think, this way doesn't works with evo files :rolleyes:

[Sagittaire]

Try with that in your script:
source=ConvertToYV12(source)
source=AssumeFPS(source,24000,1001)

1) Source must be at 1920*1080 for 1080p
2) Be carefull: if your bitrate is to close to your max bitrate then the vbv rate control could be no compliant (underflow).

[blubberbirne]

i test it, error message is the same

[blubberbirne]

Ok, i find the error :)

Note: You must add x264.exe in ffdshow to the alowed Programs :)

[blubberbirne]

Another Question.

Why does Multirhreading not work with this version of x264?

http://img157.imagevenue.com/loc1121/th_69327_Zwischenablage01_122_1121lo.jpg (http://img157.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=69327_Zwischenablage01_122_1121lo.jpg)

[woah!]

Another Question.

Why does Multirhreading not work with this version of x264?

http://img157.imagevenue.com/loc1121/th_69327_Zwischenablage01_122_1121lo.jpg (http://img157.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=69327_Zwischenablage01_122_1121lo.jpg)

it wasnt built with multithreading enabled. i too would love to see a version with it enabled as i have a qx6700 and it is painful to see 3 cores sitting idle. but it seems the pthreads patch or whatever is needed is not easy to find, heres the thread talking about it all: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125568

Sagittaire seems to have a "special" version that has all the needed options but hasnt been nice enough to share it. http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1016646#post1016646

[woah!]

well i just tried a nal-hrd version encode using x264 cli and it crashes ACA :(

i have decided to just go with cinevision AVC setup which seems to give me what i want. it uses multi-cores so i am getting an average of 10fps on a 1080p encode with the settings used in the screenshot below, unlike the 2.5 with the vc1 setup.

just burned a 4x RiData DVD-RDL with my dvr-212 pioneer burner

in nero i used DVD-ROM (UDF) - no multisession - Enable Xbox Compat settings.

dragged ADV_OBJ / HVDVD_TS folders into nero window and burn.

plays perfect on HD-A2 here and show HDDVD on the info screen on the front of the A2....





NOTE: DVD+RDL did NOT work in HD-A2 only DVD-RDL did.


http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/5571/55555555555555555555555oy2.jpg

[ernysmuntz]

Hi there, thanks to the OT for posting his guide to completeing this task :)

However I'm stuck after demuxing the .EVO main feature into a serperate VC1 and AC3 stream...

For the life of me I can't understand the graphedit program, and the filters mentioned aren't available when I search for them :(

Also, have no experience with avisynth...

There's no way anyone would be willing to explain step by step for the less informed amongst us (people who don't have experience with scripts\graphedit)

Thanks very much in advance for any help :)

[DudeMan]

NOTE: DVD+RDL did NOT work in HD-A2 only DVD-RDL did.

I also seem to be having luck using DVD-R DL DVDs rather than DVD+R DL DVDs. We have run tests and discs burned using Nero's XBox Compatibility Mode onto DVD-R DL discs play in every single HD DVD player on the market. Does anyone know what XBox Compatibility Mode is?

[drelin]

I've tested DVD -R/+R Dl on Toshiba HD-XE1 (european version of A2), the both type of disc are perfectly readed by the player, same result with Xbox 360 player.

For write HD-DVD project on DVD DL, I burn directly the ISO image disc created by Scenarist at end of compilation with Imgburn.

[Nasgul]

Hi,

a question to those encoding successfully with Cinevision: Is the time displayed in the input dialog exactly the same as the time in Scenarist and the audio tracks?

I always end up with the wrong timecode in Cinevision - in this example evodemux gives 97504 calculated frames and the time should be 1:07:46...

Regards,
Nas

[woah!]

Hi,

a question to those encoding successfully with Cinevision: Is the time displayed in the input dialog exactly the same as the time in Scenarist and the audio tracks?

I always end up with the wrong timecode in Cinevision - in this example evodemux gives 97504 calculated frames and the time should be 1:07:46...

Regards,
Nas

cinevision will show the pulldown timecode. which will be different to the 23.976 timecode from evodemux.

also remember to check the evodemux info to see if there is a delay on the audio, if so then you just adjust the timing in when authoring in ACA. or use delaycut to add the delay that way.

[Toti]

Don't give up!

The screen you see on Imgburn is the booktype of the current disk. It does not indicate what booktype the burner will set! In your case, the Pioneer will set the booktype to DVD-ROM and you can't change it. You must use another burner.

From
http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Reviews/Specific.aspx?ArticleId=12802&PageId=24

As with the Pioneer DVR-108, the DVD-109 doesn't support BookType Setting for DVD+R/+RW formats. With DVD+R DL discs, Booktype is automatically set to DVD-ROM.

Use Nero CD-DVD Speed with a burned disk in the drive and go to the Disc Info tab to see the booktype after you burn.

Additionally, you must use Nero with xbox UDF compatibility. Burn the ADV_OBJ and HDDVD_TS folders, don't use an ISO. Follow these steps and I'll bet it will work.

Thanks Pitou & Quantum, I finally got it to work. Your right the Pioneer DVD recorder doesn't work. I got an LG and works great. :)

[quantum]

Thanks Pitou & Quantum, I finally got it to work. Your right the Pioneer DVD recorder doesn't work. I got an LG and works great. :)
Good work. Now we have confirmation it works on the A2 as well as my XA2. I might put together a 1280x720 to HD-A2/XA2 guide. It's complex, but it's cool to see it working.

[woah!]

i just bought DVD-RDL media instead of buying a new drive, and they work very well on my HD-A2 :

Nero CD-DVD Speed: Disc Info
Basic Information
Disc type: : DVD-R DL
Book Type : DVD-R
Manufacturer: : Ritek
MID : RITEKP01
Write speeds: : 2 X - 4 X
Blank Capacity : n/a
Extended Information
Layers : 2
Layer break : 3.99 GB
Usage : Authoring
Copyright protection : n/a
Recorder information : recorded with PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-212D
Disc Status : Closed
Raw Data
Pre-recorded Information in Lead-in (0Eh)
0000 - 01 02 91 FD D1 0A 60 00 02 00 00 00 33 2B 00 00 - ......`.....3+..
0010 - 03 52 49 54 45 4B 50 00 04 30 31 00 00 00 00 00 - .RITEKP..01.....
0020 - 05 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 F0 FF FF FF D0 3E 18 00 - .............>..
0030 - FC 10 11 00 5D 8E 41 77 04 00 00 00 F4 10 11 00 - ....].Aw........
0040 - 10 C0 D4 77 00 80 00 00 CA F2 D5 77 7D 3F 41 77 - ...w.......w}?Aw
0050 - 00 80 00 00 EA 06 73 00 FC FF FF FF 00 00 00 00 - ......s.........
0060 - 01 00 00 00 D0 3E 18 00 48 11 11 00 00 00 15 00 - .....>..H.......

[kidbeach]

I'm having a little trouble with this amazing process and i was wondering if anyone could help me out. my backups are playing on my toshiba hd-a2, but extremely choppy (though very nice looking) and the audio is WAY off

im starting out with a single non decrypted .evo file, such as feature_1.evo and using just that one since i am backing up to dvd5 not 9, so im trying to keep the size down.

i use evodemux to tell me the lenght of the film and the calculated frames, and also the audio bitrate and check for a delay, and then demux the audio only out to ac3.

i then use graph edit to create a graph-
i insert filter-haali media splitter and then find the .evo file. then i insert the ffdshow video decoder, wvc1 labavcodec, and then attatch the haali output to the ffdshow input. save that as a grf file then create the avs file that is shown in the first post in this thread, and i input all the necessary info.

then i load up x264 and do a single pass (cant figure out for the life of me how to do double and triple passes, it always says it cannot access the log file when i try) and i output it to movie.264

using 264 info i load the movie.264 and then click 3:2 pulldown and then output it to another .264 file.

then i start up scenarist, create a new hddvd-30 project and load the new .264 file and then i find the ac3 that i created with evodemux and load that.

my ac3 file is NEVER the same length as my .264 file, and i have no idea how to sync the audio.

i then open nero, drag over the two folders created by scenarist and burn them do a dvd-r (dvd5) with udf+xbox compatibility mode.

my toshiba hd-a2 recognizes them immediatly as hd-dvd, and the picture quality is brilliant, however, the video is very choppy and as said before, the audio is WAY off, even when there was no delay in the original audio.

if anyone has any suggestions they would be much appreciated, im posting a detailed process of what im doign below
thanks

here is an example of one of my attempts:
evodemux:

Duration = 0:51:10.067
VC-1 video stream 0 found!
First PTS = 00001603
Substream id = 55
Profile = Advanced
Level = 3
Chroma Format = 4:2:0
Size = 1920x1080
Display size = 1920x1080
Aspect ratio = 1:1 (square samples)
Frame Rate = 23.976 (24000/1001)
Dolby Digital Plus audio stream 0 found!
First PTS = 00001603
Substream id = C0
Stream 0 is Dolby Digital
Sampling frequency = 48 kHz
Transmission bitrate = 448 kbit/s
Channel arrangement = L + R + C + Ls + Rs, bsid = 6, bsmod =0
73608 calculated frames in video stream 0.

---

demux audio with evodemux- AC3 448kbit/s
--

bitrate

(s-(a x l))/L=v

v x 8

L = Lenght of the whole movie in seconds
S = Size you like to use in KB (note 700 MB x 1024° = 716 800 KB)
A = Audio bitrate in KB/s (note 224 kbit/s = 224 / 8° = 28 KB/s)
V = Video bitrate in KB/s, to get kbit/s multiply with 8°.

4198400 -171923.752 / 3070.067 *8

bitrate 10492.217265616678723949672759585

x264.exe --keyint 14 --min-keyint 1 --vbv-maxrate 20000 --vbv-ini
t 1.0 --vbv-bufsize 14745 --mvrange 511 --level 4.1 --nal-hrd --bframe 2 --bime
--weightb --ref 1 --mixed-refs --direct auto --deblock -1:-1 --bitrate 10492 --pa
ss 1 --stats "x264_stat.log" --qcomp 0.75 --ipratio 1.10 --pbratio 1.10 --partit
ion "all" --8x8dct --me "hex" --subme 5 --aud --sar 1:1 --deadzone-intra 6 --dea
dzone-inter 6 --progress -o movie.264 "c:\users\danny\documents\hddvd\pe1\1.avs" [1920x1080]



process: Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6000]
Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Windows\system32>cd c:\users\danny\



c:\Users\Danny>x264.exe --keyint 14 --min-keyint 1 --vbv-maxrate 20000 --vbv-ini
t 1.0 --vbv-bufsize 14745 --mvrange 511 --level 4.1 --nal-hrd --bframe 2 --bime
--weightb --ref 1 --mixed-refs --direct auto --deblock -1:-1 --bitrate 10492 --p
ass 1 --stats "x264_stat.log" --qcomp 0.75 --ipratio 1.10 --pbratio 1.10 --parti
tion "all" --8x8dct --me "hex" --subme 5 --aud --sar 1:1 --deadzone-intra 6 --de
adzone-inter 6 --progress -o movie.264 "c:\users\danny\documents\hddvd\pe1\1.avs
" [1920x1080]
avis [info]: 1920x1080 @ 23.98 fps (73608 frames)
x264 [warning]: width or height not divisible by 16 (1920x1080), compression wil
l suffer.
x264 [info]: using SAR=1/1
x264 [info]: using cpu capabilities MMX MMXEXT SSE SSE2 3DNow!
x264 [info]: slice I:9111 Avg QP:24.97 size:101700 PSNR Mean Y:43.07 U:44.82
V:47.67 Avg:43.75 Global:42.17
x264 [info]: slice P:38029 Avg QP:25.37 size: 59941 PSNR Mean Y:43.07 U:44.35
V:47.16 Avg:43.66 Global:42.10
x264 [info]: slice B:26468 Avg QP:25.78 size: 27682 PSNR Mean Y:42.87 U:44.58
V:47.13 Avg:43.52 Global:41.81
x264 [info]: mb I I16..4: 15.6% 65.2% 19.2%
x264 [info]: mb P I16..4: 8.6% 27.7% 2.6% P16..4: 32.4% 12.7% 3.0% 0.4% 0
.2% skip:12.4%
x264 [info]: mb B I16..4: 1.1% 5.1% 0.3% B16..8: 27.4% 0.6% 1.3% direct:
25.7% skip:38.5%
x264 [info]: final ratefactor: 24.08
x264 [info]: 8x8 transform intra:69.5% inter:52.0%
x264 [info]: direct mvs spatial:90.7% temporal:9.3%
x264 [info]: SSIM Mean Y:0.9691012
x264 [info]: PSNR Mean Y:42.996 U:44.492 V:47.212 Avg:43.621 Global:42.002 kb/s:
10265.36

encoded 73608 frames, 1.49 fps, 10269.77 kb/s

c:\Users\Danny>
--

h264info alpha .07
3:2 pulldown
--

scenarist advanced content

hd dvd-30

import .264, import ac3

[woah!]

i think someone had a audio issue when using --keyint 14 --min-keyint 1

i use --keyint 12 --min-keyint 4

--keyint 14 --min-keyint 2 might be ok but i havent tried that myself. other than that it looks like the correct process from what i can see.

also i only use WMVideo Decoder DMO filter in my graphs and have had great success with sync v/a

File Source Async ----> Haali Media Splitter AR ---> WMVideo Decoder DMO

i think this is where to start looking..

[kidbeach]

woah! thanks for the tips... im going to try that out right now and have it encoding through the night and ill check it after school... :cool:

[kidbeach]

:thanks:

it works!

now all i have to do is figure out how to use megui or delay cut to insert these delays without making an 8 hour long audio clip lol

[Trahald]

Im contemplating adding a warning about that.. only if i can confirm it isnt just a scenarist glitch

[Heathcliff]

Be carefull: if your bitrate is to close to your max bitrate then the vbv rate control could be no compliant (underflow).

how to be sure of that ?? i had a buffer underflow when compiling with scenarist standart 4.12 with both the following commands :
--keyint 14 --min-keyint 1 --vbv-maxrate 26000 --vbv-init 1.0 --vbv-bufsize 14745 --mvrange 511 --level 4.1 --nal-hrd --bframe 2 --bime --weightb --ref 1 --mixed-refs --direct auto --deblock -1:-1 --bitrate 13000 --pass 1 --stats "fz_x264.log" --qcomp 0.75 --ipratio 1.10 --pbratio 1.10 --partitions "all" --8x8dct --me "hex" --subme 5 --aud --sar 1:1 --cqmfile prestige.cfg --deadzone-intra 6 --deadzone-inter 6 --progress -o fz_x264.264 fz_hd.avs

AND with :
--keyint 14 --min-keyint 1 --vbv-maxrate 20000 --vbv-init 1.0 --vbv-bufsize 14745 --mvrange 511 --level 4.1 --nal-hrd --bframe 2 --bime --weightb --ref 1 --mixed-refs --direct auto --deblock -1:-1 --bitrate 12000 --pass 1 --stats "fz_x264_v2.log" --qcomp 0.75 --ipratio 1.10 --pbratio 1.10 --partitions "all" --8x8dct --me "hex" --subme 5 --aud --sar 1:1 --cqmfile prestige.cfg --deadzone-intra 6 --deadzone-inter 6 --progress -o fz_x264_v2.264 fz_hd.avs

both commands worked with a 47sec trailer but both failed (buffer undeflow problem in scenarist) with the full movie (75 mins)
the sources are the same for the trailer & the movie (uncompressed avi)

[Sagittaire]

how to be sure of that ?? i had a buffer underflow when compiling with scenarist standart 4.12 with both the following commands :
--keyint 14 --min-keyint 1 --vbv-maxrate 26000 --vbv-init 1.0 --vbv-bufsize 14745 --mvrange 511 --level 4.1 --nal-hrd --bframe 2 --bime --weightb --ref 1 --mixed-refs --direct auto --deblock -1:-1 --bitrate 13000 --pass 1 --stats "fz_x264.log" --qcomp 0.75 --ipratio 1.10 --pbratio 1.10 --partitions "all" --8x8dct --me "hex" --subme 5 --aud --sar 1:1 --cqmfile prestige.cfg --deadzone-intra 6 --deadzone-inter 6 --progress -o fz_x264.264 fz_hd.avs

AND with :
--keyint 14 --min-keyint 1 --vbv-maxrate 20000 --vbv-init 1.0 --vbv-bufsize 14745 --mvrange 511 --level 4.1 --nal-hrd --bframe 2 --bime --weightb --ref 1 --mixed-refs --direct auto --deblock -1:-1 --bitrate 12000 --pass 1 --stats "fz_x264_v2.log" --qcomp 0.75 --ipratio 1.10 --pbratio 1.10 --partitions "all" --8x8dct --me "hex" --subme 5 --aud --sar 1:1 --cqmfile prestige.cfg --deadzone-intra 6 --deadzone-inter 6 --progress -o fz_x264_v2.264 fz_hd.avs

both commands worked with a 47sec trailer but both failed (buffer undeflow problem in scenarist) with the full movie (75 mins)
the sources are the same for the trailer & the movie (uncompressed avi)

You must use a lower qcomp: try qcomp=0.5 for average at 13000 (with max at 26000) and qcomp=0.25 for average at 12000 with max at 20000.

[Heathcliff]

You must use a lower qcomp: try qcomp=0.5 for average at 13000 (with max at 26000) and qcomp=0.25 for average at 12000 with max at 20000.
so if i understand well, for bitrate at half the max i should use qcomp=0.5, for bitrate more than half the max i should use qcomp=0.25 & for bitrate less than half the max i should use qcomp=0.75, is that right ?
Is the qcomp parameter is like the V/C one in CCE ?

[tyee]

This is very interesting backup method. A nice tutorial would be much appreciated from Toti. How about it Toti? Not many posts for a while. Is this method still working good?

[Toti]

This is very interesting backup method. A nice tutorial would be much appreciated from Toti. How about it Toti? Not many posts for a while. Is this method still working good?

Hi Tyee, to be honest with you. Yes, the method still works good. However, I sold my Toshiba HD-DVD player and the discs. I am now backing my stuff on AVC-HD that plays on the Sony Bluray player just perfect.

Why such a change? Many reasons:

Reason #1: the files inside the AVCHD are in .m2ts which is a standard Transport Stream file at 192 byte packets rather than 188 (nothing TS Remux can't handle).

Reason #2: These .m2ts files play perfect within Media Center (you only need a DirectShow AVC codec).

Reason #3: Scenarist ACA everytime you create an HD-DVD with an AC3 stream, it authors it as Dolby Digital Plus EAC. Making it impossible to play in Media Center.

Reason #4: You don't need to have a special drive to change the bit-settings. Any good old DVD-Recorder with any bitsetting will do.

Reason #5: Video is left at its original framerate of 23.976fps, no pulldown.

If you are into Media Center these files will play within Media Center. You don't have to leave MCE to PowerDVD in order to play the movies.

With HD-DVD you have to register PowerDVD to play all your HD-DVDs so everytime you insert the disc Media Center will minimize and PowerDVD will launch and play the file. However, while the file plays you can't just open the menu of media center and browse.

DRAWBACKS: yes there are drawbacks. You can't have menus, it won't support VC1, DTS, DTS-HD, Dolby Digital Plus or True HD. However, I want everything in Dolby Digital just to assure backward compability with my Computer SPDIF and my receiver.

[Pitou]

Hello,

Anyone knows where is this thread?

Thanks!

Pitou!

[DarkNite]

@Pitou

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=128409

[kidbeach]

hey guys,
which splitter and codec are you using for avc in your graphs?

[Chefkoch_ico]

Hi!

I just tested, if u want/need to save bitrate, if u encode in 1440x1080, Scenarist SCA accepts the file and it is also playable on Toshiba SAPs (tested on XE1).

Thats also great for HDV source, no need to scale up.

Greetings

[mcmanuf]

Hi.

I was wondering why we could'nt put up a officiel guide on the main doom9.org homepage instead of keeping these gems in this forum :-)

You know a detailed guide with pictures and such and thourough explaination..

As far as i can see, the only guides on the main page is dvd related guides..