HD-DVD to DVD-9, working method (at least for me!) playable in Toshiba HD-A1 Tutorial

[Pitou]

Hello,

After many weeks of trial and error, I've finally come up with a working recipe to re-encode HD-DVD to DVD-9. I only tested using VC1 video encoded movie, if you get a movie already in Mpeg4 AVC, it should be almost the same procedure. This guide is little dirty, I apologize.

Here are the steps I used:

1- Decrypt your movie using your favorite tool. (I'm using the Xbox HD-DVD drive connected to my PC and installed the UDF 2.5 drivers). No link for those, sorry.

2- You will need the following softwares: Haali media splitter, ffdshow tryouts, graphedit, avisynth 2.5, x264 HRD v616c, h264info 0007, evodemux, IMGburn, Scenarist 4.11 ACA (No link)

http://haali.cs.msu.ru/mkv/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/ffdshow-tryout/
http://www.videohelp.com/tools/GraphEdit
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=57023 (for avisynth 2.5)
https://sourceforge.net/projects/batchccews/ (for h264info and x264 HRD, click on batchccews then h264info)
http://pel.hu/down/EVOdemux.exe
http://imgburn.com/

3- Using graphedit, create a graph (or 2) like this and save it as movie1.grf:

movie1.evo (Haali media splitter) --> ffdshow video decoder

(Note: to decode VC1, select libavcodec for WVC1 in ffdshow video decoder configuration)
(Note: You can also use the WMv9 Advanced Profile Decoder from the latest media player filter or here http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=112634)

4- Create a avisynth script like this one and save it as movie.avs:

DirectShowSource("C:\HDDVD\movie1.grf",fps=23.98,framecount=xxxxx,audio=false)+DirectShowSource("C:\HDDVD\movie2.grf",fps=23.98,framecount=xxxxx,audio=false)

You can merge 2 graph, if you have many .EVO

Yes, I'm using fps=23.98 even if the movie is in fact 23.976

The framecount number is the number reported by EVOdemux calculated frames.

5- If necessary re-encode your movie to H264 Mpeg4 AVC, using x264:

x264.exe --keyint 14 --min-keyint 1 --vbv-maxrate 20000 --vbv-init 1.0 --vbv-bufsize 14745 --mvrange 511 --level 4.1 --nal-hrd --bframe 2 --bime --weightb --ref 1 --mixed-refs --direct auto --deblock -1:-1 --bitrate 6000 --pass 1 --stats "x264_stat.log" --qcomp 0.75 --ipratio 1.10 --pbratio 1.10 --partitions "all" --8x8dct --me "hex" --subme 5 --aud --sar 1:1 --deadzone-intra 6 --deadzone-inter 6 --progress -o movie.264 movie.avs

x264.exe --keyint 14 --min-keyint 1 --vbv-maxrate 20000 --vbv-init 1.0 --vbv-bufsize 14745 --mvrange 511 --level 4.1 --nal-hrd --bframe 2 --b-rdo --bime --weightb --ref 3 --mixed-refs --direct auto --deblock -1:-1 --bitrate 6000 --pass 3 --stats "x264_stat.log" --qcomp 0.75 --ipratio 1.10 --pbratio 1.10 --partitions "all" --8x8dct --me "hex" --subme 6 --no-fast-pskip --no-dct-decimate --trellis 1 --aud --sar 1:1 --deadzone-intra 6 --deadzone-inter 6 --progress -o movie.264 movie.avs

x264.exe --keyint 14 --min-keyint 1 --vbv-maxrate 20000 --vbv-init 1.0 --vbv-bufsize 14745 --mvrange 511 --level 4.1 --nal-hrd --bframe 2 --b-rdo --bime --weightb --ref 3 --mixed-refs --direct auto --deblock -1:-1 --bitrate 6000 --pass 3 --stats "x264_stat.log" --qcomp 0.75 --ipratio 1.10 --pbratio 1.10 --partitions "all" --8x8dct --me "umh" --subme 7 --no-fast-pskip --no-dct-decimate --trellis 2 --aud --sar 1:1 --deadzone-intra 6 --deadzone-inter 6 --progress -o movie.264 movie.avs
This is a 3 pass encoding that will take a very long time, you can use 1 or 2 pass if needed.
Of course, adjust the bitrate to suit your needs.


I used this formula to manually calculate the bitrate., here http://www.videohelp.com/calc.htm. Again use the formula described in the explanation. For a MLP TrueHD track (or any audio) track, simply use the filesize you get with demuxed track to substract from the Size. For DVD-9, I use 8346664 as the size. Don't forget to multiply by 8 the result (V*8), to obtain the final bitrate.

For the maximum bitrate, the maximum is 29000. Don't forget to adjust according to you audio tracks.

The other alternative is to put your movie on 2 x DVD-9. If both .EVO are under 8.5 gig, using your favorite audio tracks, just drop all files in Scenarist and remux them. In this case, no encoding is needed, just use the VC1 video file and the audio files

Or re-encode both .EVO to fit 2 x DVD-9, this will preserve PQ.

Anyway, you get the idea...

6- Usig h264info, import your movie.264 and tick 3:2 pulldown and click start. This will add the pulldown flags for 23.976 --> 29.97

7- Use Scenarist ACA 4.11 to add your video file and audio files and build your project. This will give you 2 dir: ADV_OBJ and HVDVD_TS. For DD+ track, use .ec3 as the extension and .mlp for TrueHD, if Scenarist complains.

8- Burn the 2 dir. using IMGburn's build option. Just add the 2 dir and choose UDF only as the filesystem. IMGburn will use UDF 1.02 which is fine and supports large file (larger than 4 gigs)

Try your new disk in your Toshiba HD-A1. (Note: I had firmware 2.2 and got choppy video playback from time to time, reverting to 2.0, Movie plays smoothly)

Credits go to Trahald for his h264info and x264 HRD programs, Sagittaire for the x264 CLI parameters and ACrowley for the hint about evodemux and calculated frames. Thanks guys!

Feel free to comments and add new infos.

If anyone wants to put this tutorial into a real, well formatted document, feel free to do it. Take all info needed

Pitou!

[Icemaan]

Hallo Pitou

Thanks for your fantastic Tutorial.I will try it out.But there ar some Ouestions.
When i demux with EvoDemux and then rebuild to one big Evo with my audio Track this will work even what you think.

Icemaan

[Pitou]

Yes it will work. Just use only 1 directshow in your avs script and adjust the framecount accordingly.

Pitou!

[Icemaan]

Thanks for Answer. I have Test it with a small File created with EvoSplit works Fine.I have make it without reencode.I always have a Bluray File can i put this into Sca and create one Hd-dvd (without reencode) because i only have a hd-dvd Standalone not BluRay

Icemaan

[Pitou]

Yes you can, since your video is probably an element stream using the VC1 or Mpeg4 AVC codec.

Be careful for what you're asking and doing, you may break the forum rules

Pitou!

[PurpleMan]

Good work writing the guide, I can confirm it works because I already did the same about a month ago.

Since then I'm working on a way to 'reinejct' the authored EVO's that Scenarist ACA produced back into the original disc and by thus preserving all the menus and extras (which can obviously be reencoded as well).

Still haven't managed doing that tho, mainly because I don't know how to edit the VTI file that's included on the original disc to match the new EVO's.

Got any idea?

-PurpleMan

[drelin]

Thanks for this guide.

Just few questions :

1- How calculate the value for vfv buffersize (according with the average bitrate and the max bitrate wanted) ?

2- For encoding in 720p, the x264 command lines are the sames (or what are the differences) ?

For the next way, if a bluid of x264 with HDR and AQ pacth is avialable, we can increase the quality.

[Dethis]

@Drelin,
vbv buffersize is not calculated. In is defined by the HD-DVD specs.

@Pitou,
Thanks for the guide.

Have you made any attempt to check if a larger buffersize is HDDVD compliant (for AVC encodings). I remember a discussion where Sergey Sablin said that while the 14745 buffersize is the limit for VC-1 encodings, for AVC engodings a buffersize of 30000 is HDDVD compliant.

[drelin]

@Drelin,
vbv buffersize is not calculated. In is defined by the HD-DVD specs.

@Pitou,
Thanks for the guide.

Have you made any attempt to check if a larger buffersize is HDDVD compliant (for AVC encodings). I remember a discussion where Sergey Sablin said that while the 14745 buffersize is the limit for VC-1 encodings, for AVC engodings a buffersize of 30000 is HDDVD compliant.

You mean that the vbv buffersize isn't linked with the bitrate selected ?
Are you sure ?
In Mainconcept h264 Encoder, the vbv buffer size (in the advanced settings) change beetween the average bitrate (or the bitrate in CBR).

[Pitou]

@ Purpleman,

Still haven't managed doing that tho, mainly because I don't know how to edit the VTI file that's included on the original disc to match the new EVO's.

Got any idea?

Sorry, no idea for the moment, since I'm concentrating on movie only, preserving the best possible PQ, along with 2 audio tracks.


@ drelin

2- For encoding in 720p, the x264 command lines are the sames (or what are the differences) ?


I didn't try that, but would guess so. Give it a shot and report back!

@ dethis

Have you made any attempt to check if a larger buffersize is HDDVD compliant (for AVC encodings). I remember a discussion where Sergey Sablin said that while the 14745 buffersize is the limit for VC-1 encodings, for AVC engodings a buffersize of 30000 is HDDVD compliant.


No didnT' attempt to change anything. I'm really relying on Sagittaire's parameters, since they work great.

But that would be a good test to do, though. I also remember Sergey's comments. Maybe he could jump in and give his comments.

Sorry guys for not having really good answers for now, it took me weeks to find a working method and didn't have time to push it. My next step is to experiment a little more for sure.

But hey, thanks for your comments, that's how we'll improve things!

Pitou!

[Dethis]

@drelin

Yes

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=114928

[laserfan]

Yes, I'm using fps=23.98 even if the movie is in fact 23.976Sorry if I missed it, but... why using 23.98???

[drelin]

@ Dethis

Thanks for the link :)
With the expensive size of the forums, I'd not view this subject.

[Pitou]

@ laserfan

Sorry if I missed it, but... why using 23.98???

Not sure if it makes any difference anyway, but I prefer feeding the encoder the way it sees the video.

x264 tells me that the fps is 23.98, so I'm feeding it 23.98

Pitou!

[Toti]

Hi Pitou thanks for the great tutorial. I got to authoring the disc. My authoring created two folders and one xml file.

ADV_OBJ
HVDVD_TS
Layoutinfo.xml

Anyway, I build the project with IMGburn. Then burn it Using the same program. I am using IMGburn 2.3.2.0

However, I have used both DVD+DL from Memorex & Sony. Both play great on the PC and Xbox 360 but they refuse to play on Toshiba A2. It plays single layers fine but not dual layers.

Has anyone burned a +DL and played fine on the A2? If so, what brand did you use and how did you burn it including programs versions.

Thanks in advanced. :thanks:

[Pitou]

@ Toti

About DVD+DL... Strange, it plays fine on the A1. Don't forget that I had to downgrade to firmware version 2.0, because I had choppy playback.

I tried Fuji and Memorex, but they are both Ritek DVD in fact, according to the media manufacturer code.

I still have to try Verbatim (different mfg code) and firmware version 2.2.

What firmware are you running in your A2?

You can download the latest here, burn the iso and upgrade to the latest. (v1.6).

http://209.167.114.38/support/ceg/downloads/#

Pitou!

[Sagittaire]

... and like I say impossible for me (and much other) to have the good duration with Cinevision for scenarist (SCA or ACA). I am really curious to know how Toti make encoding with Cinevision ... lol

[Susana]

I wonder if, as well as dvd layer break has to meet some conditions, hddvd layer break has to do it

[DarkNite]

Are you asking for testing with CineVision? I have CineVision and Scenarist SCA, but I really haven't used them for backup purposes... Just straight up content authoring. Ther's a lot less hoops to jump through when you're dealing with your own source material. :)

Speaking of Cinevision, the 23.98 mentioned earlier is how CineVision refers to 23.976, it's just a rounding off to keep the numbers int rather than float. Much like WME9. I've found that if you attempt to use IVTC material (23.976) it usually forces you to 59.94 in CineVision, or throws an error, so YMMV. That's just my experience so far. No problems with using naturally 24p material.

[drelin]

I've tested the way for 720p source,
H264info (0.7) not works correctly for make a compliant h264 for Scenarist authoring.
The file is accpeted by Scenarist but the during time is wrong.
The time is divised by 4 to the intial time (pulldown 23.976 to 59.94 is not good).

When I've make sevral tests with x264, I've found a error with x264.exe between the type of source.
If make avs script with a mp4 file (ex: mp4 extracted of apple trailer *.mov), I can launch the encoding process with the BAT command lines.
If make a avs script with a WVM files or MKV files (with h264 video), x264 return a error message : X264[error] rawyuv require a resolution.

Do have any idear of this error ?

The GRF file form graphEdit is the same (with mp4 and mkv)


the avs script is :
DirectShowSource("X:\DVD_2\test.grf",fps=23.976,audio=false)
AddBorders(0,132,0,132)

[Sagittaire]

I've tested the way for 720p source,
H264info (0.7) not works correctly for make a compliant h264 for Scenarist authoring.
The file is accpeted by Scenarist but the during time is wrong.
The time is divised by 4 to the intial time (pulldown 23.976 to 59.94 is not good).

When I've make sevral tests with x264, I've found a error with x264.exe between the type of source.
If make avs script with a mp4 file (ex: mp4 extracted of apple trailer *.mov), I can launch the encoding process with the BAT command lines.
If make a avs script with a WVM files or MKV files (with h264 video), x264 return a error message : X264[error] rawyuv require a resolution.

Do have any idear of this error ?

The GRF file form graphEdit is the same (with mp4 and mkv)


the avs script is :
DirectShowSource("X:\DVD_2\test.grf",fps=23.976,audio=false)
AddBorders(0,132,0,132)


Well scenarist seem not work correcty with pulldown flag for 720p23.976. If you want really 720p you can make real 720p59.940 encoding (like 720p broadcast TV). Use SelectEvery(2,0,0,0,1,1) for make progressive pulldown 3:2 in avs script and make directly the encoding at 720p59.940. Be carefull in this case you encode really at 1280*720*60 with duplicated frame anyway. The encoder will theoricaly use PBBPB and something like more 25% bitrate for exactly the same quality than 720p24.

[Trahald]

i made h264info on 720p(59.94) and testing on scenarist. i worked so hard to make good output cause scenarist barfed on everything. then i made source in cinevision for 720p (3:2 pulldown) and scenarist barfed on that too and i realized the problem wasnt my app. then i worked on 1080p (effective29.97) and went much smoother.

so i usually do stuff in anamorphic 1080 (lowest res is 960x1080 which my pc can handle) ..

[Toti]

... and like I say impossible for me (and much other) to have the good duration with Cinevision for scenarist (SCA or ACA). I am really curious to know how Toti make encoding with Cinevision ... lol

It's pretty simple really. Drop the AVS file (previously converted to avi by VFAPIConv) , set the bitrate and turn off some of the filters to make it faster..... th th th that's it folks.

I even put them on queue so as soon as one finishes the other starts. Here is a pic

http://aycu20.webshots.com/image/18259/2005352819967274755_rs.jpg

@ PITOU, thanks for the link :thanks:. I'll be doing the firmware update if it still doesn't work. I'll have no choice but to sell the A2 and playthem off my PC.

[Toti]

Well scenarist seem not work correcty with pulldown flag for 720p23.976. If you want really 720p you can make real 720p59.940 encoding (like 720p broadcast TV). Use SelectEvery(2,0,0,0,1,1) for make progressive pulldown 3:2 in avs script and make directly the encoding at 720p59.940. Be carefull in this case you encode really at 1280*720*60 with duplicated frame anyway. The encoder will theoricaly use PBBPB and something like more 25% bitrate for exactly the same quality than 720p24.

Well, the problem is with Scenarist Standard Content at least with version 4.12. It has problems with:

1280X720p w/pulldown AVC & VC1
1280X1080p w/pulldown AVC & VC1
1440X1080p w/pulldown AVC & VC1
1920X1080p w/pulldown AVC ONLY
1920X1080p w/pulldown VC1 WORKS!!

Scenarist Advanced Content everything works great any resolution with or without pulldown flags.

Hope they fix that on the next release.

[Sagittaire]

It's pretty simple really. Drop the AVS file (previously converted to avi by VFAPIConv) , set the bitrate and turn off some of the filters to make it faster..... th th th that's it folks.


Well don't work for me and many other for 1920*1080*29.970 with pulldown. Make screen with duration for Cinevision and Scenarist.
Here a example with the original files (http://jfl1974.free.fr/Golgot13/):

Source is 3097 frame for 2 mn 09 sec at 23.976 fps.

1) Here encoding with Cinevision
Cinevision say 2 mn 09 sec for 29.970 DNF pulldown encoding
x264 say 2 min 09 for 29.970 DNF pulldown encoding

2) Here Mux with Scenarist SCA
Scenarist SCA say 2 min 09 sec for x264 in DNF mode
Scenarist SCA say 2 min 07 sec for cinevision in DNF mode
Scenarist SCA say 2 min 09 sec for original ac3 in DNF mode

Mux with cinevision will done make audio/video desynchro and not x264 for complete movie (something like 40 sec for 120 min)


3) Here Mux with Scenarist ACA
http://jfl1974.free.fr/HDDVD/Scenarist_ACA_1.JPGhttp://jfl1974.free.fr/HDDVD/Scenarist_ACA_2.JPGhttp://jfl1974.free.fr/HDDVD/Scenarist_ACA_3.JPG

Scenarist ACA say 2 min 09 sec for x264 in DNF mode
Scenarist ACA say 2 min 07 sec for cinevision in DNF mode
Scenarist ACA say 2 min 09 sec for original ac3 in DNF mode

Mux with cinevision will make large audio/video desynchro and not x264 for complete movie (something like 40 sec for 120 min). I don't understand the problem. Anyway x264 and cinevision don't use the same way. If I want correct audio/video synchro with cinevision and with all the Mainconcept/Elecard encoder I must reencode audio with "good duration".

[Sagittaire]

Well, the problem is with Scenarist Standard Content at least with version 4.12. It has problems with:

1280X720p w/pulldown AVC & VC1
1280X1080p w/pulldown AVC & VC1
1440X1080p w/pulldown AVC & VC1
1920X1080p w/pulldown AVC ONLY
1920X1080p w/pulldown VC1 WORKS!!

Scenarist Advanced Content everything works great any resolution with or without pulldown flags.

Hope they fix that on the next release.

Well scenarist SCA 4.12 work perfectly for me with AVC pulldown 1920*1080 ... but with x264 and not with Cinevision ... :confused:

[Toti]

Well scenarist SCA 4.12 work perfectly for me with AVC pulldown 1920*1080 ... but with x264 and not with Cinevision ... :confused:

Wow, so there is something wrong with CineVision? To be honest with you. I did experiment with Standard Content and was excited to see that its authoring is identical to Standard DVDs.

Soon after I noticed all the bugs I discontinued its use and I only use Scenarist Advanced Content Authoring V4.11 and works great. I wish I can show a few of my backups they work great!!.

If you need more help on how I am doing to encode let me know but if you found a way that works for you then great.

By the way, does your backups play on any of the hardware players?

[Sagittaire]

Wow, so there is something wrong with CineVision? To be honest with you. I did experiment with Standard Content and was excited to see that its authoring is identical to Standard DVDs.

Well I confirm the problem:
Scenarist (SCA and ACA) show the good duration only with VC1 Cinevision encoding and not for AVC cinevision encoding. Like I always say Scenarist (SCA) + Cinevison (AVC) don't work.


Soon after I noticed all the bugs I discontinued its use and I only use Scenarist Advanced Content Authoring V4.11 and works great. I wish I can show a few of my backups they work great!!.

You use AVC or VC1 for your backups ... ?


If you need more help on how I am doing to encode let me know but if you found a way that works for you then great.

Well I don't think. I make test with all the available AVC encoder (Ateme, Nero, Elecard/mainconcept and x264) and unfortunaly impossible to make correct scenarist SCA mux with Elecard/mainconcept AVC stream.


By the way, does your backups play on any of the hardware players?

Well I make complexe SCA auhthoring (main, title, languages, chapter animated menu) and it work perfectly on Software player (powerDVD). Work perfectly on 360 too but not on Toshiba SAP's (don't support officialy SCA authoring at this time). Anyway the movie + languages + subtitles + chapters work good on Toshiba SAP's.

[Toti]

You use AVC or VC1 for your backups ... ?

Yes, I only use AVC for my backups. I use CineVision 1.2 and Scenarist ACA 4.11 they work flawlessly. Now, if only would work on the Toshiba A2. I'll post a picture tomorrow when I author my next movie.

Try something, encode again with CineVision 1.2 AVC and author it using ACA 4.11 then playback the results and even if the playback time doesn't match check if any sync problems. It should be fine. Anybodyelse, having this problem?

@ Pitou, I did the update and still doesn't work on the Toshiba A2. It only works with my DVD5 but on DVD+DL doesn't work.

Time to sell the Toshiba A2, any takers? Next step try to make the Sony 200 DVD changer work as a 200 HD-DVD player thru Media Center...

Isn't it ironic, Sony's Vaio 200 changer as a HD-DVD changer.

[Toti]

[QUOTE=Sagittaire;1013860]Well I confirm the problem:
Scenarist (SCA and ACA) show the good duration only with VC1 Cinevision encoding and not for AVC cinevision encoding. Like I always say Scenarist (SCA) + Cinevison (AVC) don't work.QUOTE]

Hello Sagittaire, They do work. Look!

http://aycu27.webshots.com/image/18506/2005248381437134818_rs.jpg

I just finished authoring and burning this disc. It works perfectly, quality is great and sync is perfect down to the teeth.

The picture shows you only the streams so you can see the duration of each file. After the Advanced Content (menu and scenes selection) the disc had about 30 mb left. Let me know if I can help. :)

[Icemaan]

[QUOTE=Sagittaire;1013860]Well I confirm the problem:
Scenarist (SCA and ACA) show the good duration only with VC1 Cinevision encoding and not for AVC cinevision encoding. Like I always say Scenarist (SCA) + Cinevison (AVC) don't work.QUOTE]

Hello Sagittaire, They do work. Look!

http://aycu27.webshots.com/image/18506/2005248381437134818_rs.jpg

I just finished authoring and burning this disc. It works perfectly, quality is great and sync is perfect down to the teeth.

The picture shows you only the streams so you can see the duration of each file. After the Advanced Content (menu and scenes selection) the disc had about 30 mb left. Let me know if I can help. :)

hello Toti
I hope you can help me too. You say you have free Space of 30 Mb. I have the Problem that 20 Mb to Big or 80 Mb to small for a Dl Disc. It is possible you can post your settings in Cinevision for Avc Encoding

thanks Icemaan

[Toti]

[QUOTE=Toti;1014310]

hello Toti
I hope you can help me too. You say you have free Space of 30 Mb. I have the Problem that 20 Mb to Big or 80 Mb to small for a Dl Disc. It is possible you can post your settings in Cinevision for Avc Encoding

thanks Icemaan

Sorry, maybe I didn't explained properly sometimes I write so fast that I make mistakes.

What I meant was that I used almost all the available space of the Dual Layer disc except for 30 MB. I calculated the Bitrate of my movie that after it was authored all the files were around 7970MB. If you need calculating the bitrate of your encodes let me know.

[Icemaan]

Thanks Toti yes you can show me the calculating of a bitrate in Cinevision ,very friendly from you,because i not understand much about calculate
And what you think 1 or 2 pass .
Thanks Icemaan

[drelin]

I've made sereval test with 1080p and 720p.

My results :

Cinevision 1.2 + Scenarist SCA 4.11
1) 1920x1080p (23.98->29.97 in Cinevision) => direct import in SCA, Not good duration. NOT WORK

2) 1920x1080p (23.98->29.97 in Cinevision) + H264info => import in SCA , Good duration syncronized with audio. WORK

3) 1280x720p (23.98->59.94 in Cinevision) direct import in SCA, Not good duration (time is divized by 2). NOT WORK

4) 1280x720p (23.98->59.94 in Cinevision) + H264info => import in SCA, Not good duration (time is divized by 4). NOT WORK

5) 1280x720p (direct 59.94 in Cinevision with the command line in AVS script done by Sagittaire for 59.94fps) =>
Direct import in SCA, Good duration syncronized with audio. WORK



Maincopncept 2.0 + Scenarist SCA 4.11
1) 1920x1080p (23.98->29.97 in Mainconcept) => direct import in SCA, Not good duration. NOT WORK

2) 1920x1080p (23.98->29.97 in Mainconcept) + H264info => import in SCA , not good duration or reject by
SCA. NOT WORK

3) 1280x720p (23.98->59.94 in Mainconcept) direct import in SCA, Good duration syncronized with audio. WORK
4) 1280x720p (direct 59.94 in Mainconcept with the command line in AVS script done by Sagittaire for 59.94 fps)
=> Direct import in SCA, syncronized with audio. WORK



X264HDR + Scenarist SCA 4.11
1) 1920x1080p (23.98) + H264info => import in SCA , Good duration syncronized with audio. WORK

2) 1280x720p (23.98) + H264info direct import in => import in SCA , not good duration or reject by SCA. NOT WORK

3) 1280x720p (direct 59.94 in x264 with the command line in AVS script done by Sagittaire for 59.94 fps)
=> Direct import in SCA, reject by SCA. NOT WORK

[Sagittaire]

I just finished authoring and burning this disc. It works perfectly, quality is great and sync is perfect down to the teeth.

The picture shows you only the streams so you can see the duration of each file. After the Advanced Content (menu and scenes selection) the disc had about 30 mb left. Let me know if I can help. :)

You can try to mux these little trailers (http://jfl1974.free.fr/Golgot13/) and report duration ... thx

Perhaps an incompatibility with filter or other bug for me (and many other) ... ???

[Toti]

You can try to mux these little trailers (http://jfl1974.free.fr/Golgot13/) and report duration ... thx

Perhaps an incompatibility with filter or other bug for me (and many other) ... ???

Hello Sagittaire, the video is screwed up. Send me the original and I'll pass it thru CineVision. I like that trailer by the way can't wait for the movie to come out.

Actually, now that I remember is exactly what I used to get with MainConcept. It kinda drops frames, but I have never had that problem with CineVision. Are you using CineVision 1.2?

[Sagittaire]

Hello Sagittaire, the video is screwed up. Send me the original and I'll pass it thru CineVision. I like that trailer by the way can't wait for the movie to come out.

Actually, now that I remember is exactly what I used to get with MainConcept. It kinda drops frames, but I have never had that problem with CineVision. Are you using CineVision 1.2?

You can find trailer here
http://www.drfoster.f2s.com/trailers_f.shtml

But try to mux my encoding and report the result for duration.

[Toti]

@Icemaan, surprincingly what I use to calculate the bitrate is TMPGEnc 4. I set the wMV codec and whala! accurate to within 20MB. Make sure that you use the same bitrate for your audio.

TMPGEnc 4.0 has one of the easiest ways to calculate your bitrate, you can choose which disc is your target, to calculate bitrate you can either use the percentage, size or bitrate and has a graphical representation of the size. Awesome!

@Sagittaire, I already did the video is not correct. I am currently encoding a movie but when it finishes I'll encode a trailer.....well actually a few trailers. Thanks for the link is trailer heaven!!. I always put two or three to each of my backups.

I can't understand why is CineVision not working for you. To me it as worked flawlessly every time since I got it. I love it. The only thing I can think of is do a fresh Windows XP Pro install then install CineVision. The only complain I have is that it only installs on XP Pro.

[quantum]

@ Pitou, I did the update and still doesn't work on the Toshiba A2. It only works with my DVD5 but on DVD+DL doesn't work.
I have the XA2 with a similar problem. How are you burning the disk? For DVD5, I've found only Nero with UDF Xbox compatibility mode works, but this didn't work for DVD9.

The other way is ISO9660+UDF 1.02 but you must burn a dummy VIDEO_TS folder for this to work. The problem with this is you're limited to 4gig files and I can't see how to make Scenarist split the EVO.

[Sagittaire]

I have the XA2 with a similar problem. How are you burning the disk? For DVD5, I've found only Nero with UDF Xbox compatibility mode works, but this didn't work for DVD9.

The other way is ISO9660+UDF 1.02 but you must burn a dummy VIDEO_TS folder for this to work. The problem with this is you're limited to 4gig files and I can't see how to make Scenarist split the EVO.

Sonic SCA make directly image .iso and SCA work very well with x264, ac3 and DVD9 ...

[quantum]

I made a test disk with many smaller titles so I could burn it using ISO9660+UDF 1.02 + dummy VIDEO_TS. This works for DVD5 but fails for DVD9. It appears my XA2 and Toti's A2 simply can't handle HD-DVD on DVD9 media.

Very disappointing. It would appear the Toshiba's dont support the 3x DVD spec.

[quantum]

I take it back. Progress!

I had been using cheapo DVD+R DL for testing. These work in my XA2 for standard DVD but maybe not for HD-DVD.

I decided to waste a Verbatim DVD+R DL as my final test and it worked. I was able to play all titles even on the second layer.

However I also changed the book type to DVD+R DL instead of DVD-ROM. So I'm not sure if it's working because of the Verbatim media code or the booktype.

I really hate wasting these DL's for testing, especially the Verbatims.

[quantum]

It appears the booktype was the important setting. Many drives automatically set DVD+R DL to DVD-ROM by default. I changed this back to DVD+R DL and now even my cheap DL's work.

Even better, I burned an x264 1280x720p 24fps (pulldown to 29.97) authored in Scenarist ACA and it works. I fast forwarded through wherever the layer break was (can't know where it was for sure) but it worked.

I burned the 7.8 gig HD-DVD project with one big EVO using Nero and the xbox compatible UDF setting (turn off multi-session to make it available).

I'd welcome confirmations that it was the booktype. I have the XA2 but I would think the A2 would behave similarly.

I'd also like comments on how to get the same process to work in Imgburn if possible.

[drelin]

For the choice of media :

I've tested on XBox 360 and Toshiba HD-XE1 (European version of A2) with the last firmware (1.5 for XE1)
DVD-R Single layer OK
DVD+R Sigle Layer OK
DVD-R Double Layer OK
DVD+R Double Layer OK

For DVD-R/+R and -R DL I've used TAIYO YUDEN as Brand
For DVD+R DL I've used VERBATIM

For Encoding and after several tests, I've few questions :

- For encoding process with 720p preset, what are the best settings ?
In my case the video encoded, is not very nice (detail missing and macroblocking effect ). With 1080p no problem.

- For subtitles in 1080p no problem, but in 720p with the script for Scenarist the HD-DVD authored show the subtitles to small in the middle on screen ?

[Nasgul]

Hi Toti,


Drop the AVS file (previously converted to avi by VFAPIConv)


Do you use the same AVS-script as in your tutorial for this?
I always get "File ... is invalid" when feeding VFAPIConv with an avs-script that includes a .grf as Directshowsource.

Can you post the versions you use?
(I Tried VFAPIConf 1.05-EN with readavs.dll (0.11e dated 05/18/2000) and Avisynth 2.5.7...

Thank you!


Regards,
Nas

P.S. So far I have had no luck with your tutorial... I still get slight stuttering and audio sync issues with the final image. :mad: Guess I´ll try a fresh install from scratch.

[Pitou]

@ Quantum

have the XA2 with a similar problem. How are you burning the disk? For DVD5, I've found only Nero with UDF Xbox compatibility mode works, but this didn't work for DVD9.

The other way is ISO9660+UDF 1.02 but you must burn a dummy VIDEO_TS folder for this to work. The problem with this is you're limited to 4gig files and I can't see how to make Scenarist split the EVO.

I did test Nero 7 using UDF 2.5 filesystem and it works fine as well.

I'd also like comments on how to get the same process to work in Imgburn if possible.

When using IMGBurn, click on the little yellow book icon (Change book type...) and you can change the book type bit as long as you don't have a Pioneer as it sets to DVD-ROM automatically.

@ Sagittaire

Sonic SCA make directly image .iso and SCA work very well with x264, ac3 and DVD9 ...

SCA makes the ISO image already using UDF 2.5 filesystem.

Pitou!

[quantum]

I did test Nero 7 using UDF 2.5 filesystem and it works fine as well.

Remember I have an XA2 at firmware 1.6 while you have the A1. These apparantly do not work the same and I think others like Toti with the A2 are finding similar differences.

I tried every version of UDF in Nero (including 2.5) and all failed in the XA2 except for xbox compatibility. Additionally, booktype must not be DVD-ROM.

When using IMGBurn, click on the little yellow book icon (Change book type...) and you can change the book type bit as long as you don't have a Pioneer as it sets to DVD-ROM automatically.
Right. This only works for me using UDF+ISO9660+Fake Video_TS with fake VIDEO_TS.VOB. Additionally, booktype must not be DVD-ROM. DVD+RW with small sample is good for testing this. However in this mode, you can't use huge files, so the point is to try and imitate the Nero+xbox compatibility mode in Imgburn. Nero+xbox is so far the only way I can burn DVD9 and have 7+ gig EVO's.

[Toti]

Hi Toti,



Do you use the same AVS-script as in your tutorial for this?
I always get "File ... is invalid" when feeding VFAPIConv with an avs-script that includes a .grf as Directshowsource.

Can you post the versions you use?
(I Tried VFAPIConf 1.05-EN with readavs.dll (0.11e dated 05/18/2000) and Avisynth 2.5.7...

Thank you!


Regards,
Nas

P.S. So far I have had no luck with your tutorial... I still get slight stuttering and audio sync issues with the final image. :mad: Guess I´ll try a fresh install from scratch.

Hello Nasgul, I guess I should write a tutorial on how to encode & author 3X DVDs. It's true, I don't know why people are having trouble with this. Ever since I got CineVision 1.2 its been drop and encode. I basically use the same AVS script from my DVDs encoding. I do have to modify it a lil bit like crop and then resize it back to the original size but the rest is the same.

At the beginning of my AVC/VC1 tryouts I wanted to make it work with MainConcept since is way faster than CineVision but when it comes with pulldown it just doesn't work with Scenarist.

Well, going back to you. Yes, those are the same versions I got. I many people request it I'll create a new thread tutorial with step by step.

VFAPIConv 1.05
AviSynth 2.5.7

I have always reviewed my pictures before encoding in Virtual Dub. To me, the encoded video will always look exactly as it looks in VirtualDub. If VD opens the video, plays it back smoothly and framerate, time is correct then CineVision will encode it that way.

Check your .avs files if they play fine on VD if not. Let me know

@Quantum, my discs still don't play on the A2 and its not the booktype. They are set at DVD+DL see picture.

http://aycu13.webshots.com/image/18492/2003317314693074744_rs.jpg

I have a feeling it has to do with media compability. On Toshiba's website they say only DVD-DL but I am not going to go to extreme measures to get -DL since they don't sell them locally.

I'll be selling my A2 and play them off my VAIO 200 Changer.

[quantum]

@Quantum, my discs still don't play on the A2 and its not the booktype. They are set at DVD+DL see picture.

Don't give up!

The screen you see on Imgburn is the booktype of the current disk. It does not indicate what booktype the burner will set! In your case, the Pioneer will set the booktype to DVD-ROM and you can't change it. You must use another burner.

From
http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Reviews/Specific.aspx?ArticleId=12802&PageId=24

As with the Pioneer DVR-108, the DVD-109 doesn't support BookType Setting for DVD+R/+RW formats. With DVD+R DL discs, Booktype is automatically set to DVD-ROM.

Use Nero CD-DVD Speed with a burned disk in the drive and go to the Disc Info tab to see the booktype after you burn.

Additionally, you must use Nero with xbox UDF compatibility. Burn the ADV_OBJ and HDDVD_TS folders, don't use an ISO. Follow these steps and I'll bet it will work.

[quantum]

Oops. I thought your disk was new, but now I see it was already burned. Scroll down a bit in the window. Look at the Physical Format Information (Last Recorded). Is it DVD-Rom?