HD-DVD to DVD-9, working method (at least for me!) playable in Toshiba HD-A1 Tutorial

[Pitou]

Hello,

After many weeks of trial and error, I've finally come up with a working recipe to re-encode HD-DVD to DVD-9. I only tested using VC1 video encoded movie, if you get a movie already in Mpeg4 AVC, it should be almost the same procedure. This guide is little dirty, I apologize.

Here are the steps I used:

1- Decrypt your movie using your favorite tool. (I'm using the Xbox HD-DVD drive connected to my PC and installed the UDF 2.5 drivers). No link for those, sorry.

2- You will need the following softwares: Haali media splitter, ffdshow tryouts, graphedit, avisynth 2.5, x264 HRD v616c, h264info 0007, evodemux, IMGburn, Scenarist 4.11 ACA (No link)

http://haali.cs.msu.ru/mkv/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/ffdshow-tryout/
http://www.videohelp.com/tools/GraphEdit
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=57023 (for avisynth 2.5)
https://sourceforge.net/projects/batchccews/ (for h264info and x264 HRD, click on batchccews then h264info)
http://pel.hu/down/EVOdemux.exe
http://imgburn.com/

3- Using graphedit, create a graph (or 2) like this and save it as movie1.grf:

movie1.evo (Haali media splitter) --> ffdshow video decoder

(Note: to decode VC1, select libavcodec for WVC1 in ffdshow video decoder configuration)
(Note: You can also use the WMv9 Advanced Profile Decoder from the latest media player filter or here http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=112634)

4- Create a avisynth script like this one and save it as movie.avs:

DirectShowSource("C:\HDDVD\movie1.grf",fps=23.98,framecount=xxxxx,audio=false)+DirectShowSource("C:\HDDVD\movie2.grf",fps=23.98,framecount=xxxxx,audio=false)

You can merge 2 graph, if you have many .EVO

Yes, I'm using fps=23.98 even if the movie is in fact 23.976

The framecount number is the number reported by EVOdemux calculated frames.

5- If necessary re-encode your movie to H264 Mpeg4 AVC, using x264:

x264.exe --keyint 14 --min-keyint 1 --vbv-maxrate 20000 --vbv-init 1.0 --vbv-bufsize 14745 --mvrange 511 --level 4.1 --nal-hrd --bframe 2 --bime --weightb --ref 1 --mixed-refs --direct auto --deblock -1:-1 --bitrate 6000 --pass 1 --stats "x264_stat.log" --qcomp 0.75 --ipratio 1.10 --pbratio 1.10 --partitions "all" --8x8dct --me "hex" --subme 5 --aud --sar 1:1 --deadzone-intra 6 --deadzone-inter 6 --progress -o movie.264 movie.avs

x264.exe --keyint 14 --min-keyint 1 --vbv-maxrate 20000 --vbv-init 1.0 --vbv-bufsize 14745 --mvrange 511 --level 4.1 --nal-hrd --bframe 2 --b-rdo --bime --weightb --ref 3 --mixed-refs --direct auto --deblock -1:-1 --bitrate 6000 --pass 3 --stats "x264_stat.log" --qcomp 0.75 --ipratio 1.10 --pbratio 1.10 --partitions "all" --8x8dct --me "hex" --subme 6 --no-fast-pskip --no-dct-decimate --trellis 1 --aud --sar 1:1 --deadzone-intra 6 --deadzone-inter 6 --progress -o movie.264 movie.avs

x264.exe --keyint 14 --min-keyint 1 --vbv-maxrate 20000 --vbv-init 1.0 --vbv-bufsize 14745 --mvrange 511 --level 4.1 --nal-hrd --bframe 2 --b-rdo --bime --weightb --ref 3 --mixed-refs --direct auto --deblock -1:-1 --bitrate 6000 --pass 3 --stats "x264_stat.log" --qcomp 0.75 --ipratio 1.10 --pbratio 1.10 --partitions "all" --8x8dct --me "umh" --subme 7 --no-fast-pskip --no-dct-decimate --trellis 2 --aud --sar 1:1 --deadzone-intra 6 --deadzone-inter 6 --progress -o movie.264 movie.avs
This is a 3 pass encoding that will take a very long time, you can use 1 or 2 pass if needed.
Of course, adjust the bitrate to suit your needs.


I used this formula to manually calculate the bitrate., here http://www.videohelp.com/calc.htm. Again use the formula described in the explanation. For a MLP TrueHD track (or any audio) track, simply use the filesize you get with demuxed track to substract from the Size. For DVD-9, I use 8346664 as the size. Don't forget to multiply by 8 the result (V*8), to obtain the final bitrate.

For the maximum bitrate, the maximum is 29000. Don't forget to adjust according to you audio tracks.

The other alternative is to put your movie on 2 x DVD-9. If both .EVO are under 8.5 gig, using your favorite audio tracks, just drop all files in Scenarist and remux them. In this case, no encoding is needed, just use the VC1 video file and the audio files

Or re-encode both .EVO to fit 2 x DVD-9, this will preserve PQ.

Anyway, you get the idea...

6- Usig h264info, import your movie.264 and tick 3:2 pulldown and click start. This will add the pulldown flags for 23.976 --> 29.97

7- Use Scenarist ACA 4.11 to add your video file and audio files and build your project. This will give you 2 dir: ADV_OBJ and HVDVD_TS. For DD+ track, use .ec3 as the extension and .mlp for TrueHD, if Scenarist complains.

8- Burn the 2 dir. using IMGburn's build option. Just add the 2 dir and choose UDF only as the filesystem. IMGburn will use UDF 1.02 which is fine and supports large file (larger than 4 gigs)

Try your new disk in your Toshiba HD-A1. (Note: I had firmware 2.2 and got choppy video playback from time to time, reverting to 2.0, Movie plays smoothly)

Credits go to Trahald for his h264info and x264 HRD programs, Sagittaire for the x264 CLI parameters and ACrowley for the hint about evodemux and calculated frames. Thanks guys!

Feel free to comments and add new infos.

If anyone wants to put this tutorial into a real, well formatted document, feel free to do it. Take all info needed

Pitou!

[Icemaan]

Hallo Pitou

Thanks for your fantastic Tutorial.I will try it out.But there ar some Ouestions.
When i demux with EvoDemux and then rebuild to one big Evo with my audio Track this will work even what you think.

Icemaan

[Pitou]

Yes it will work. Just use only 1 directshow in your avs script and adjust the framecount accordingly.

Pitou!

[Icemaan]

Thanks for Answer. I have Test it with a small File created with EvoSplit works Fine.I have make it without reencode.I always have a Bluray File can i put this into Sca and create one Hd-dvd (without reencode) because i only have a hd-dvd Standalone not BluRay

Icemaan

[Pitou]

Yes you can, since your video is probably an element stream using the VC1 or Mpeg4 AVC codec.

Be careful for what you're asking and doing, you may break the forum rules

Pitou!

[PurpleMan]

Good work writing the guide, I can confirm it works because I already did the same about a month ago.

Since then I'm working on a way to 'reinejct' the authored EVO's that Scenarist ACA produced back into the original disc and by thus preserving all the menus and extras (which can obviously be reencoded as well).

Still haven't managed doing that tho, mainly because I don't know how to edit the VTI file that's included on the original disc to match the new EVO's.

Got any idea?

-PurpleMan

[drelin]

Thanks for this guide.

Just few questions :

1- How calculate the value for vfv buffersize (according with the average bitrate and the max bitrate wanted) ?

2- For encoding in 720p, the x264 command lines are the sames (or what are the differences) ?

For the next way, if a bluid of x264 with HDR and AQ pacth is avialable, we can increase the quality.

[Dethis]

@Drelin,
vbv buffersize is not calculated. In is defined by the HD-DVD specs.

@Pitou,
Thanks for the guide.

Have you made any attempt to check if a larger buffersize is HDDVD compliant (for AVC encodings). I remember a discussion where Sergey Sablin said that while the 14745 buffersize is the limit for VC-1 encodings, for AVC engodings a buffersize of 30000 is HDDVD compliant.

[drelin]

@Drelin,
vbv buffersize is not calculated. In is defined by the HD-DVD specs.

@Pitou,
Thanks for the guide.

Have you made any attempt to check if a larger buffersize is HDDVD compliant (for AVC encodings). I remember a discussion where Sergey Sablin said that while the 14745 buffersize is the limit for VC-1 encodings, for AVC engodings a buffersize of 30000 is HDDVD compliant.

You mean that the vbv buffersize isn't linked with the bitrate selected ?
Are you sure ?
In Mainconcept h264 Encoder, the vbv buffer size (in the advanced settings) change beetween the average bitrate (or the bitrate in CBR).

[Pitou]

@ Purpleman,

Still haven't managed doing that tho, mainly because I don't know how to edit the VTI file that's included on the original disc to match the new EVO's.

Got any idea?

Sorry, no idea for the moment, since I'm concentrating on movie only, preserving the best possible PQ, along with 2 audio tracks.


@ drelin

2- For encoding in 720p, the x264 command lines are the sames (or what are the differences) ?


I didn't try that, but would guess so. Give it a shot and report back!

@ dethis

Have you made any attempt to check if a larger buffersize is HDDVD compliant (for AVC encodings). I remember a discussion where Sergey Sablin said that while the 14745 buffersize is the limit for VC-1 encodings, for AVC engodings a buffersize of 30000 is HDDVD compliant.


No didnT' attempt to change anything. I'm really relying on Sagittaire's parameters, since they work great.

But that would be a good test to do, though. I also remember Sergey's comments. Maybe he could jump in and give his comments.

Sorry guys for not having really good answers for now, it took me weeks to find a working method and didn't have time to push it. My next step is to experiment a little more for sure.

But hey, thanks for your comments, that's how we'll improve things!

Pitou!

[Dethis]

@drelin

Yes

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=114928

[laserfan]

Yes, I'm using fps=23.98 even if the movie is in fact 23.976Sorry if I missed it, but... why using 23.98???

[drelin]

@ Dethis

Thanks for the link :)
With the expensive size of the forums, I'd not view this subject.

[Pitou]

@ laserfan

Sorry if I missed it, but... why using 23.98???

Not sure if it makes any difference anyway, but I prefer feeding the encoder the way it sees the video.

x264 tells me that the fps is 23.98, so I'm feeding it 23.98

Pitou!

[Toti]

Hi Pitou thanks for the great tutorial. I got to authoring the disc. My authoring created two folders and one xml file.

ADV_OBJ
HVDVD_TS
Layoutinfo.xml

Anyway, I build the project with IMGburn. Then burn it Using the same program. I am using IMGburn 2.3.2.0

However, I have used both DVD+DL from Memorex & Sony. Both play great on the PC and Xbox 360 but they refuse to play on Toshiba A2. It plays single layers fine but not dual layers.

Has anyone burned a +DL and played fine on the A2? If so, what brand did you use and how did you burn it including programs versions.

Thanks in advanced. :thanks:

[Pitou]

@ Toti

About DVD+DL... Strange, it plays fine on the A1. Don't forget that I had to downgrade to firmware version 2.0, because I had choppy playback.

I tried Fuji and Memorex, but they are both Ritek DVD in fact, according to the media manufacturer code.

I still have to try Verbatim (different mfg code) and firmware version 2.2.

What firmware are you running in your A2?

You can download the latest here, burn the iso and upgrade to the latest. (v1.6).

http://209.167.114.38/support/ceg/downloads/#

Pitou!

[Sagittaire]

... and like I say impossible for me (and much other) to have the good duration with Cinevision for scenarist (SCA or ACA). I am really curious to know how Toti make encoding with Cinevision ... lol

[Susana]

I wonder if, as well as dvd layer break has to meet some conditions, hddvd layer break has to do it

[DarkNite]

Are you asking for testing with CineVision? I have CineVision and Scenarist SCA, but I really haven't used them for backup purposes... Just straight up content authoring. Ther's a lot less hoops to jump through when you're dealing with your own source material. :)

Speaking of Cinevision, the 23.98 mentioned earlier is how CineVision refers to 23.976, it's just a rounding off to keep the numbers int rather than float. Much like WME9. I've found that if you attempt to use IVTC material (23.976) it usually forces you to 59.94 in CineVision, or throws an error, so YMMV. That's just my experience so far. No problems with using naturally 24p material.

[drelin]

I've tested the way for 720p source,
H264info (0.7) not works correctly for make a compliant h264 for Scenarist authoring.
The file is accpeted by Scenarist but the during time is wrong.
The time is divised by 4 to the intial time (pulldown 23.976 to 59.94 is not good).

When I've make sevral tests with x264, I've found a error with x264.exe between the type of source.
If make avs script with a mp4 file (ex: mp4 extracted of apple trailer *.mov), I can launch the encoding process with the BAT command lines.
If make a avs script with a WVM files or MKV files (with h264 video), x264 return a error message : X264[error] rawyuv require a resolution.

Do have any idear of this error ?

The GRF file form graphEdit is the same (with mp4 and mkv)


the avs script is :
DirectShowSource("X:\DVD_2\test.grf",fps=23.976,audio=false)
AddBorders(0,132,0,132)

[Sagittaire]

I've tested the way for 720p source,
H264info (0.7) not works correctly for make a compliant h264 for Scenarist authoring.
The file is accpeted by Scenarist but the during time is wrong.
The time is divised by 4 to the intial time (pulldown 23.976 to 59.94 is not good).

When I've make sevral tests with x264, I've found a error with x264.exe between the type of source.
If make avs script with a mp4 file (ex: mp4 extracted of apple trailer *.mov), I can launch the encoding process with the BAT command lines.
If make a avs script with a WVM files or MKV files (with h264 video), x264 return a error message : X264[error] rawyuv require a resolution.

Do have any idear of this error ?

The GRF file form graphEdit is the same (with mp4 and mkv)


the avs script is :
DirectShowSource("X:\DVD_2\test.grf",fps=23.976,audio=false)
AddBorders(0,132,0,132)


Well scenarist seem not work correcty with pulldown flag for 720p23.976. If you want really 720p you can make real 720p59.940 encoding (like 720p broadcast TV). Use SelectEvery(2,0,0,0,1,1) for make progressive pulldown 3:2 in avs script and make directly the encoding at 720p59.940. Be carefull in this case you encode really at 1280*720*60 with duplicated frame anyway. The encoder will theoricaly use PBBPB and something like more 25% bitrate for exactly the same quality than 720p24.

[Trahald]

i made h264info on 720p(59.94) and testing on scenarist. i worked so hard to make good output cause scenarist barfed on everything. then i made source in cinevision for 720p (3:2 pulldown) and scenarist barfed on that too and i realized the problem wasnt my app. then i worked on 1080p (effective29.97) and went much smoother.

so i usually do stuff in anamorphic 1080 (lowest res is 960x1080 which my pc can handle) ..

[Toti]

... and like I say impossible for me (and much other) to have the good duration with Cinevision for scenarist (SCA or ACA). I am really curious to know how Toti make encoding with Cinevision ... lol

It's pretty simple really. Drop the AVS file (previously converted to avi by VFAPIConv) , set the bitrate and turn off some of the filters to make it faster..... th th th that's it folks.

I even put them on queue so as soon as one finishes the other starts. Here is a pic

http://aycu20.webshots.com/image/18259/2005352819967274755_rs.jpg

@ PITOU, thanks for the link :thanks:. I'll be doing the firmware update if it still doesn't work. I'll have no choice but to sell the A2 and playthem off my PC.

[Toti]

Well scenarist seem not work correcty with pulldown flag for 720p23.976. If you want really 720p you can make real 720p59.940 encoding (like 720p broadcast TV). Use SelectEvery(2,0,0,0,1,1) for make progressive pulldown 3:2 in avs script and make directly the encoding at 720p59.940. Be carefull in this case you encode really at 1280*720*60 with duplicated frame anyway. The encoder will theoricaly use PBBPB and something like more 25% bitrate for exactly the same quality than 720p24.

Well, the problem is with Scenarist Standard Content at least with version 4.12. It has problems with:

1280X720p w/pulldown AVC & VC1
1280X1080p w/pulldown AVC & VC1
1440X1080p w/pulldown AVC & VC1
1920X1080p w/pulldown AVC ONLY
1920X1080p w/pulldown VC1 WORKS!!

Scenarist Advanced Content everything works great any resolution with or without pulldown flags.

Hope they fix that on the next release.

[Sagittaire]

It's pretty simple really. Drop the AVS file (previously converted to avi by VFAPIConv) , set the bitrate and turn off some of the filters to make it faster..... th th th that's it folks.


Well don't work for me and many other for 1920*1080*29.970 with pulldown. Make screen with duration for Cinevision and Scenarist.
Here a example with the original files (http://jfl1974.free.fr/Golgot13/):

Source is 3097 frame for 2 mn 09 sec at 23.976 fps.

1) Here encoding with Cinevision
Cinevision say 2 mn 09 sec for 29.970 DNF pulldown encoding
x264 say 2 min 09 for 29.970 DNF pulldown encoding

2) Here Mux with Scenarist SCA
Scenarist SCA say 2 min 09 sec for x264 in DNF mode
Scenarist SCA say 2 min 07 sec for cinevision in DNF mode
Scenarist SCA say 2 min 09 sec for original ac3 in DNF mode

Mux with cinevision will done make audio/video desynchro and not x264 for complete movie (something like 40 sec for 120 min)


3) Here Mux with Scenarist ACA
http://jfl1974.free.fr/HDDVD/Scenarist_ACA_1.JPGhttp://jfl1974.free.fr/HDDVD/Scenarist_ACA_2.JPGhttp://jfl1974.free.fr/HDDVD/Scenarist_ACA_3.JPG

Scenarist ACA say 2 min 09 sec for x264 in DNF mode
Scenarist ACA say 2 min 07 sec for cinevision in DNF mode
Scenarist ACA say 2 min 09 sec for original ac3 in DNF mode

Mux with cinevision will make large audio/video desynchro and not x264 for complete movie (something like 40 sec for 120 min). I don't understand the problem. Anyway x264 and cinevision don't use the same way. If I want correct audio/video synchro with cinevision and with all the Mainconcept/Elecard encoder I must reencode audio with "good duration".

[Sagittaire]

Well, the problem is with Scenarist Standard Content at least with version 4.12. It has problems with:

1280X720p w/pulldown AVC & VC1
1280X1080p w/pulldown AVC & VC1
1440X1080p w/pulldown AVC & VC1
1920X1080p w/pulldown AVC ONLY
1920X1080p w/pulldown VC1 WORKS!!

Scenarist Advanced Content everything works great any resolution with or without pulldown flags.

Hope they fix that on the next release.

Well scenarist SCA 4.12 work perfectly for me with AVC pulldown 1920*1080 ... but with x264 and not with Cinevision ... :confused:

[Toti]

Well scenarist SCA 4.12 work perfectly for me with AVC pulldown 1920*1080 ... but with x264 and not with Cinevision ... :confused:

Wow, so there is something wrong with CineVision? To be honest with you. I did experiment with Standard Content and was excited to see that its authoring is identical to Standard DVDs.

Soon after I noticed all the bugs I discontinued its use and I only use Scenarist Advanced Content Authoring V4.11 and works great. I wish I can show a few of my backups they work great!!.

If you need more help on how I am doing to encode let me know but if you found a way that works for you then great.

By the way, does your backups play on any of the hardware players?

[Sagittaire]

Wow, so there is something wrong with CineVision? To be honest with you. I did experiment with Standard Content and was excited to see that its authoring is identical to Standard DVDs.

Well I confirm the problem:
Scenarist (SCA and ACA) show the good duration only with VC1 Cinevision encoding and not for AVC cinevision encoding. Like I always say Scenarist (SCA) + Cinevison (AVC) don't work.


Soon after I noticed all the bugs I discontinued its use and I only use Scenarist Advanced Content Authoring V4.11 and works great. I wish I can show a few of my backups they work great!!.

You use AVC or VC1 for your backups ... ?


If you need more help on how I am doing to encode let me know but if you found a way that works for you then great.

Well I don't think. I make test with all the available AVC encoder (Ateme, Nero, Elecard/mainconcept and x264) and unfortunaly impossible to make correct scenarist SCA mux with Elecard/mainconcept AVC stream.


By the way, does your backups play on any of the hardware players?

Well I make complexe SCA auhthoring (main, title, languages, chapter animated menu) and it work perfectly on Software player (powerDVD). Work perfectly on 360 too but not on Toshiba SAP's (don't support officialy SCA authoring at this time). Anyway the movie + languages + subtitles + chapters work good on Toshiba SAP's.

[Toti]

You use AVC or VC1 for your backups ... ?

Yes, I only use AVC for my backups. I use CineVision 1.2 and Scenarist ACA 4.11 they work flawlessly. Now, if only would work on the Toshiba A2. I'll post a picture tomorrow when I author my next movie.

Try something, encode again with CineVision 1.2 AVC and author it using ACA 4.11 then playback the results and even if the playback time doesn't match check if any sync problems. It should be fine. Anybodyelse, having this problem?

@ Pitou, I did the update and still doesn't work on the Toshiba A2. It only works with my DVD5 but on DVD+DL doesn't work.

Time to sell the Toshiba A2, any takers? Next step try to make the Sony 200 DVD changer work as a 200 HD-DVD player thru Media Center...

Isn't it ironic, Sony's Vaio 200 changer as a HD-DVD changer.

[Toti]

[QUOTE=Sagittaire;1013860]Well I confirm the problem:
Scenarist (SCA and ACA) show the good duration only with VC1 Cinevision encoding and not for AVC cinevision encoding. Like I always say Scenarist (SCA) + Cinevison (AVC) don't work.QUOTE]

Hello Sagittaire, They do work. Look!

http://aycu27.webshots.com/image/18506/2005248381437134818_rs.jpg

I just finished authoring and burning this disc. It works perfectly, quality is great and sync is perfect down to the teeth.

The picture shows you only the streams so you can see the duration of each file. After the Advanced Content (menu and scenes selection) the disc had about 30 mb left. Let me know if I can help. :)

[Icemaan]

[QUOTE=Sagittaire;1013860]Well I confirm the problem:
Scenarist (SCA and ACA) show the good duration only with VC1 Cinevision encoding and not for AVC cinevision encoding. Like I always say Scenarist (SCA) + Cinevison (AVC) don't work.QUOTE]

Hello Sagittaire, They do work. Look!

http://aycu27.webshots.com/image/18506/2005248381437134818_rs.jpg

I just finished authoring and burning this disc. It works perfectly, quality is great and sync is perfect down to the teeth.

The picture shows you only the streams so you can see the duration of each file. After the Advanced Content (menu and scenes selection) the disc had about 30 mb left. Let me know if I can help. :)

hello Toti
I hope you can help me too. You say you have free Space of 30 Mb. I have the Problem that 20 Mb to Big or 80 Mb to small for a Dl Disc. It is possible you can post your settings in Cinevision for Avc Encoding

thanks Icemaan

[Toti]

[QUOTE=Toti;1014310]

hello Toti
I hope you can help me too. You say you have free Space of 30 Mb. I have the Problem that 20 Mb to Big or 80 Mb to small for a Dl Disc. It is possible you can post your settings in Cinevision for Avc Encoding

thanks Icemaan

Sorry, maybe I didn't explained properly sometimes I write so fast that I make mistakes.

What I meant was that I used almost all the available space of the Dual Layer disc except for 30 MB. I calculated the Bitrate of my movie that after it was authored all the files were around 7970MB. If you need calculating the bitrate of your encodes let me know.

[Icemaan]

Thanks Toti yes you can show me the calculating of a bitrate in Cinevision ,very friendly from you,because i not understand much about calculate
And what you think 1 or 2 pass .
Thanks Icemaan

[drelin]

I've made sereval test with 1080p and 720p.

My results :

Cinevision 1.2 + Scenarist SCA 4.11
1) 1920x1080p (23.98->29.97 in Cinevision) => direct import in SCA, Not good duration. NOT WORK

2) 1920x1080p (23.98->29.97 in Cinevision) + H264info => import in SCA , Good duration syncronized with audio. WORK

3) 1280x720p (23.98->59.94 in Cinevision) direct import in SCA, Not good duration (time is divized by 2). NOT WORK

4) 1280x720p (23.98->59.94 in Cinevision) + H264info => import in SCA, Not good duration (time is divized by 4). NOT WORK

5) 1280x720p (direct 59.94 in Cinevision with the command line in AVS script done by Sagittaire for 59.94fps) =>
Direct import in SCA, Good duration syncronized with audio. WORK



Maincopncept 2.0 + Scenarist SCA 4.11
1) 1920x1080p (23.98->29.97 in Mainconcept) => direct import in SCA, Not good duration. NOT WORK

2) 1920x1080p (23.98->29.97 in Mainconcept) + H264info => import in SCA , not good duration or reject by
SCA. NOT WORK

3) 1280x720p (23.98->59.94 in Mainconcept) direct import in SCA, Good duration syncronized with audio. WORK
4) 1280x720p (direct 59.94 in Mainconcept with the command line in AVS script done by Sagittaire for 59.94 fps)
=> Direct import in SCA, syncronized with audio. WORK



X264HDR + Scenarist SCA 4.11
1) 1920x1080p (23.98) + H264info => import in SCA , Good duration syncronized with audio. WORK

2) 1280x720p (23.98) + H264info direct import in => import in SCA , not good duration or reject by SCA. NOT WORK

3) 1280x720p (direct 59.94 in x264 with the command line in AVS script done by Sagittaire for 59.94 fps)
=> Direct import in SCA, reject by SCA. NOT WORK

[Sagittaire]

I just finished authoring and burning this disc. It works perfectly, quality is great and sync is perfect down to the teeth.

The picture shows you only the streams so you can see the duration of each file. After the Advanced Content (menu and scenes selection) the disc had about 30 mb left. Let me know if I can help. :)

You can try to mux these little trailers (http://jfl1974.free.fr/Golgot13/) and report duration ... thx

Perhaps an incompatibility with filter or other bug for me (and many other) ... ???

[Toti]

You can try to mux these little trailers (http://jfl1974.free.fr/Golgot13/) and report duration ... thx

Perhaps an incompatibility with filter or other bug for me (and many other) ... ???

Hello Sagittaire, the video is screwed up. Send me the original and I'll pass it thru CineVision. I like that trailer by the way can't wait for the movie to come out.

Actually, now that I remember is exactly what I used to get with MainConcept. It kinda drops frames, but I have never had that problem with CineVision. Are you using CineVision 1.2?

[Sagittaire]

Hello Sagittaire, the video is screwed up. Send me the original and I'll pass it thru CineVision. I like that trailer by the way can't wait for the movie to come out.

Actually, now that I remember is exactly what I used to get with MainConcept. It kinda drops frames, but I have never had that problem with CineVision. Are you using CineVision 1.2?

You can find trailer here
http://www.drfoster.f2s.com/trailers_f.shtml

But try to mux my encoding and report the result for duration.

[Toti]

@Icemaan, surprincingly what I use to calculate the bitrate is TMPGEnc 4. I set the wMV codec and whala! accurate to within 20MB. Make sure that you use the same bitrate for your audio.

TMPGEnc 4.0 has one of the easiest ways to calculate your bitrate, you can choose which disc is your target, to calculate bitrate you can either use the percentage, size or bitrate and has a graphical representation of the size. Awesome!

@Sagittaire, I already did the video is not correct. I am currently encoding a movie but when it finishes I'll encode a trailer.....well actually a few trailers. Thanks for the link is trailer heaven!!. I always put two or three to each of my backups.

I can't understand why is CineVision not working for you. To me it as worked flawlessly every time since I got it. I love it. The only thing I can think of is do a fresh Windows XP Pro install then install CineVision. The only complain I have is that it only installs on XP Pro.

[quantum]

@ Pitou, I did the update and still doesn't work on the Toshiba A2. It only works with my DVD5 but on DVD+DL doesn't work.
I have the XA2 with a similar problem. How are you burning the disk? For DVD5, I've found only Nero with UDF Xbox compatibility mode works, but this didn't work for DVD9.

The other way is ISO9660+UDF 1.02 but you must burn a dummy VIDEO_TS folder for this to work. The problem with this is you're limited to 4gig files and I can't see how to make Scenarist split the EVO.

[Sagittaire]

I have the XA2 with a similar problem. How are you burning the disk? For DVD5, I've found only Nero with UDF Xbox compatibility mode works, but this didn't work for DVD9.

The other way is ISO9660+UDF 1.02 but you must burn a dummy VIDEO_TS folder for this to work. The problem with this is you're limited to 4gig files and I can't see how to make Scenarist split the EVO.

Sonic SCA make directly image .iso and SCA work very well with x264, ac3 and DVD9 ...

[quantum]

I made a test disk with many smaller titles so I could burn it using ISO9660+UDF 1.02 + dummy VIDEO_TS. This works for DVD5 but fails for DVD9. It appears my XA2 and Toti's A2 simply can't handle HD-DVD on DVD9 media.

Very disappointing. It would appear the Toshiba's dont support the 3x DVD spec.

[quantum]

I take it back. Progress!

I had been using cheapo DVD+R DL for testing. These work in my XA2 for standard DVD but maybe not for HD-DVD.

I decided to waste a Verbatim DVD+R DL as my final test and it worked. I was able to play all titles even on the second layer.

However I also changed the book type to DVD+R DL instead of DVD-ROM. So I'm not sure if it's working because of the Verbatim media code or the booktype.

I really hate wasting these DL's for testing, especially the Verbatims.

[quantum]

It appears the booktype was the important setting. Many drives automatically set DVD+R DL to DVD-ROM by default. I changed this back to DVD+R DL and now even my cheap DL's work.

Even better, I burned an x264 1280x720p 24fps (pulldown to 29.97) authored in Scenarist ACA and it works. I fast forwarded through wherever the layer break was (can't know where it was for sure) but it worked.

I burned the 7.8 gig HD-DVD project with one big EVO using Nero and the xbox compatible UDF setting (turn off multi-session to make it available).

I'd welcome confirmations that it was the booktype. I have the XA2 but I would think the A2 would behave similarly.

I'd also like comments on how to get the same process to work in Imgburn if possible.

[drelin]

For the choice of media :

I've tested on XBox 360 and Toshiba HD-XE1 (European version of A2) with the last firmware (1.5 for XE1)
DVD-R Single layer OK
DVD+R Sigle Layer OK
DVD-R Double Layer OK
DVD+R Double Layer OK

For DVD-R/+R and -R DL I've used TAIYO YUDEN as Brand
For DVD+R DL I've used VERBATIM

For Encoding and after several tests, I've few questions :

- For encoding process with 720p preset, what are the best settings ?
In my case the video encoded, is not very nice (detail missing and macroblocking effect ). With 1080p no problem.

- For subtitles in 1080p no problem, but in 720p with the script for Scenarist the HD-DVD authored show the subtitles to small in the middle on screen ?

[Nasgul]

Hi Toti,


Drop the AVS file (previously converted to avi by VFAPIConv)


Do you use the same AVS-script as in your tutorial for this?
I always get "File ... is invalid" when feeding VFAPIConv with an avs-script that includes a .grf as Directshowsource.

Can you post the versions you use?
(I Tried VFAPIConf 1.05-EN with readavs.dll (0.11e dated 05/18/2000) and Avisynth 2.5.7...

Thank you!


Regards,
Nas

P.S. So far I have had no luck with your tutorial... I still get slight stuttering and audio sync issues with the final image. :mad: Guess I´ll try a fresh install from scratch.

[Pitou]

@ Quantum

have the XA2 with a similar problem. How are you burning the disk? For DVD5, I've found only Nero with UDF Xbox compatibility mode works, but this didn't work for DVD9.

The other way is ISO9660+UDF 1.02 but you must burn a dummy VIDEO_TS folder for this to work. The problem with this is you're limited to 4gig files and I can't see how to make Scenarist split the EVO.

I did test Nero 7 using UDF 2.5 filesystem and it works fine as well.

I'd also like comments on how to get the same process to work in Imgburn if possible.

When using IMGBurn, click on the little yellow book icon (Change book type...) and you can change the book type bit as long as you don't have a Pioneer as it sets to DVD-ROM automatically.

@ Sagittaire

Sonic SCA make directly image .iso and SCA work very well with x264, ac3 and DVD9 ...

SCA makes the ISO image already using UDF 2.5 filesystem.

Pitou!

[quantum]

I did test Nero 7 using UDF 2.5 filesystem and it works fine as well.

Remember I have an XA2 at firmware 1.6 while you have the A1. These apparantly do not work the same and I think others like Toti with the A2 are finding similar differences.

I tried every version of UDF in Nero (including 2.5) and all failed in the XA2 except for xbox compatibility. Additionally, booktype must not be DVD-ROM.

When using IMGBurn, click on the little yellow book icon (Change book type...) and you can change the book type bit as long as you don't have a Pioneer as it sets to DVD-ROM automatically.
Right. This only works for me using UDF+ISO9660+Fake Video_TS with fake VIDEO_TS.VOB. Additionally, booktype must not be DVD-ROM. DVD+RW with small sample is good for testing this. However in this mode, you can't use huge files, so the point is to try and imitate the Nero+xbox compatibility mode in Imgburn. Nero+xbox is so far the only way I can burn DVD9 and have 7+ gig EVO's.

[Toti]

Hi Toti,



Do you use the same AVS-script as in your tutorial for this?
I always get "File ... is invalid" when feeding VFAPIConv with an avs-script that includes a .grf as Directshowsource.

Can you post the versions you use?
(I Tried VFAPIConf 1.05-EN with readavs.dll (0.11e dated 05/18/2000) and Avisynth 2.5.7...

Thank you!


Regards,
Nas

P.S. So far I have had no luck with your tutorial... I still get slight stuttering and audio sync issues with the final image. :mad: Guess I´ll try a fresh install from scratch.

Hello Nasgul, I guess I should write a tutorial on how to encode & author 3X DVDs. It's true, I don't know why people are having trouble with this. Ever since I got CineVision 1.2 its been drop and encode. I basically use the same AVS script from my DVDs encoding. I do have to modify it a lil bit like crop and then resize it back to the original size but the rest is the same.

At the beginning of my AVC/VC1 tryouts I wanted to make it work with MainConcept since is way faster than CineVision but when it comes with pulldown it just doesn't work with Scenarist.

Well, going back to you. Yes, those are the same versions I got. I many people request it I'll create a new thread tutorial with step by step.

VFAPIConv 1.05
AviSynth 2.5.7

I have always reviewed my pictures before encoding in Virtual Dub. To me, the encoded video will always look exactly as it looks in VirtualDub. If VD opens the video, plays it back smoothly and framerate, time is correct then CineVision will encode it that way.

Check your .avs files if they play fine on VD if not. Let me know

@Quantum, my discs still don't play on the A2 and its not the booktype. They are set at DVD+DL see picture.

http://aycu13.webshots.com/image/18492/2003317314693074744_rs.jpg

I have a feeling it has to do with media compability. On Toshiba's website they say only DVD-DL but I am not going to go to extreme measures to get -DL since they don't sell them locally.

I'll be selling my A2 and play them off my VAIO 200 Changer.

[quantum]

@Quantum, my discs still don't play on the A2 and its not the booktype. They are set at DVD+DL see picture.

Don't give up!

The screen you see on Imgburn is the booktype of the current disk. It does not indicate what booktype the burner will set! In your case, the Pioneer will set the booktype to DVD-ROM and you can't change it. You must use another burner.

From
http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Reviews/Specific.aspx?ArticleId=12802&PageId=24

As with the Pioneer DVR-108, the DVD-109 doesn't support BookType Setting for DVD+R/+RW formats. With DVD+R DL discs, Booktype is automatically set to DVD-ROM.

Use Nero CD-DVD Speed with a burned disk in the drive and go to the Disc Info tab to see the booktype after you burn.

Additionally, you must use Nero with xbox UDF compatibility. Burn the ADV_OBJ and HDDVD_TS folders, don't use an ISO. Follow these steps and I'll bet it will work.

[quantum]

Oops. I thought your disk was new, but now I see it was already burned. Scroll down a bit in the window. Look at the Physical Format Information (Last Recorded). Is it DVD-Rom?

[sandman1687]

I'm trying to backup my planet earth HDDVD's, and put 2 episodes on each backup DVD. I've encoded them with MeGUI down from 1080p to 720p,
did the h264info 3:2 pulldown, and imported the ac3 and .264 files into Sonic SAC. I try to build the project, and i get a "Too many pictures in GOP" error, as seen below.
http://members.cox.net/sandman1687/gop.png

I get this error when im building the project with one or two episodes. this is the command MeGUI is running on the file:
--pass 2 --bitrate 5563 --stats ".stats" --ref 8 --mixed-refs --bframes 3 --b-pyramid --b-rdo --bime --weightb --direct auto --nf
--subme 6 --trellis 2 --analyse all --8x8dct --vbv-maxrate 25000 --ratetol 6.0 --qcomp 0.1 --me esa --merange 18 --threads auto --thread-input

any thoughts?

[quantum]

Try adding --keyint 12 - if that works, bump it to --keyint 14

[sandman1687]

thanks, i'll try that and get back to you

[Toti]

@ Sandman, I get errors when using the pulldown on AVCwith Alpha 6. http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125568

@Quantum
I did scrolldown and it looks just like yours.

http://aycu37.webshots.com/image/18156/2001860730739386818_rs.jpg

[quantum]

Then you understand that it's not set correctly? It must be DVD+RL in the lower part. DVD-ROM will not work.

[Pitou]

@Toti,

I see that your project use filesystems ISO, Joliet, and UDF.

I'm not sure that for HD-DVD, we should use UDF only.

I always use UDF only btw...

Not sure if it makes any difference.

Pitou!

[Nasgul]

Hi,

I finally managed to get a working (and perfectly playing!) encode with Cinevision... What I did different from Toti:

I used a simple AVS-Script with Directshowsource("xyz.EVO", fps=23.976, audio=false) via VFAPIConv as Input, which worked for me.

My problem now: Even though I have a video and audio of exactly the same length (to the millisecond!), the audio is async for about 1 Sec after Muxing the Projects. (Delay stays the same during the whole movie, doesn´t get worse to the end!).

Any ideas what might cause this?? Any help would be greatly appreciated, I´m sooo close to happy :rolleyes:

Best regards,
Nas

[Sagittaire]

My problem now: Even though I have a video and audio of exactly the same length (to the millisecond!), the audio is async for about 1 Sec after Muxing the Projects. (Delay stays the same during the whole movie, doesn´t get worse to the end!).

Well always the same problem ... there are async with cinevision + scenarist for many user. Certainely a filter incompatibility ...

[sandman1687]

@quantum

thanks for the tip, it seems to have helped. only problem now is that my computer, for some reason, isnt powerful enough to play the authored HD-DVD (mounted) image smoothly in PowerDVD, yet will play the raw .264 and .ac3 files muxed in a Matroska container just fine. No matter.

[Toti]

Hi,

I finally managed to get a working (and perfectly playing!) encode with Cinevision... What I did different from Toti:

I used a simple AVS-Script with Directshowsource("xyz.EVO", fps=23.976, audio=false) via VFAPIConv as Input, which worked for me.

My problem now: Even though I have a video and audio of exactly the same length (to the millisecond!), the audio is async for about 1 Sec after Muxing the Projects. (Delay stays the same during the whole movie, doesn´t get worse to the end!).

Any ideas what might cause this?? Any help would be greatly appreciated, I´m sooo close to happy :rolleyes:

Best regards,
Nas

Am glad to hear that. I know it works because I do it everyday. It does happen that the audio is not in sync but that is because there is a delay on the original.

Almost always, if you cut the muxed MPEG2 (say a OTA .ts recording, or a previous encode) it will create a delay but in my case DGMPG Index will always tell me the delay. If you have not way of knowing I put the video in Virtual Dub then set "Options -> Drop Frames When Behind", then start playing with the delay on "Audio -> Interleaving ->Delay Audio Track by..." When you have it in sync then use Delay Cut Tool 1.2.1.2 to adjust the delay on the AC3 without re-encoding.

What's your source anyway?

[Nasgul]

Hi,

What's your source anyway?

Source are HDDVDs (decrypted VC1 EVOs with DD+ or DTSHD audio).

Synching the audio manually is not a very good option, I find it VERY hard to perfectly lipsync them by hand.

Do you have to do that on many of your titles? I tried 2 so far and both are about 1-1.5 seconds async.


@Sagittaire:

there are async with cinevision + scenarist for many user. Certainely a filter incompatibility ...


Strange thing is that both audio and video are EXACTLY the same lenght (see pics). Is this the same with others who have sync problems (in your screenshots your video+audio have different lenghts!)?

I cannot quite figure out how they can be async after muxing when having the same length. A also don´t think its a filter issue, since filters should not play any role when just muxing in scenarist, should they?

I will try a fresh install in VMWare with only Cinevision and Scenarist...

Regards,
Nas

[Toti]

I only get sync issues when I select a part of a .ts file but I fix this quickly with AC3 Delay Cut since when I use DG MPG Index it tells me the delay. However, when I encode HD-DVDs I never have to touch the audio not even delay it and it is perfect.

I did get a sync issue with my last encode which was Alien Vs Predator Bluray rip. I had to compress about 5 minutes with TMPGEnc to MPEG1&MPEGaudio. I then load it to Virtual Dub then delay the audio and test. Once I found the delay I applied it on the original and perfect sync.

How do you input the EVO into CineVision?

[DarkNite]

He was referring to the "cinderella1_24p.vc1" extracted from the decrypted ".evo". ".vc1" is a valid input extension in CineVision.

[Nasgul]

Hi,

actually I´m using VFAPIConv with the following AVS-script as input to Cinevision:

Directshowsource("xyz.EVO", fps=23.976, audio=false).


Cinderella1_24p.vc1 in the above example is the final output from Cinevision.
(Using .vc1 directly in Cinevision gives the wrong length, at least for me...)


I´ve finished a fresh windows installation with all tools from scratch and it´s encoding right now, I´ll let you know if it´s any different.

Regards,
Nas

[Nasgul]

Hi,

still no luck, even with a fresh install.
I now get the same results as Sagittaire - different lenght of video and audio after encode with Cinevision. I tried several different avs-scripts, but no luck so far.

Toti, what´s the exact script and graph you use when feeding Cinevision with a decrypted HDDVD?

Are you using Sonic Videodecoder 4.1 oder 4.2? (I have only tried 4.2 so far, trying to downgrade right now)

Regards,
nas

[Toti]

@Nasgul, Let me guide you step by step on what I do.

On a freshly installed system (this is to make sure that no other program or codec is going to interfere). Install the following in the same order:
- Roxio Media Creator 9 (if you use this program)
- Scenarist Advanced Content 4.11
- CineVision 1.2
- Scenarist Standard Content 4.12 (the same exact version is KEY)

HD-DVD Rips
Open GraphEdit:
1. DirectShowFilter -> File Source (Async) -> Select the EVO file
2. Sonic Cinemaster VideoDecoder 4.1
3. Connect the EVO to the Video Decoder, GraphEdit takes a few seconds to connect to check video and add the demuxer.

After this step just save your .GRF file and add it on the .avs file thru DirectShowSource. Drop the .avs file on VFAPIConv then feed that .avi to CineVision. I explained it better on http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=126963 I even added screen shots.

Now, this works great. However, three days ago I got CineVision 2.0.2 Beta and this screw things up really bad. If you want I can add a few screenshots of CineVision 2.0. The problem with 2.0 is that you must uninstall 1.2 first then it adds its own filters that it won't work with the graphedit I just mentioned. To top it off, it won't run simultaneously with Scenarist 4.11 one or the other will crash.

I have been testing CineVision 2.0 with my DirecTVHD recordings. So far I don't noticed an improvement with the AVC BUT VC1 has been improved tremendously. Quality has been improved so vastly for me to noticed on the first encode.

I was encoding Super Bowl XLI which is almost three hours and lots of movement (I am restricted to DualLayer Capacity). It obviously looks way better than AVC on either 1.2 or 2.0.

Now, the greatest thing is that when encoding on AVC has about 20% faster than previously. VC1 encoding speed has been encreased as well but it takes about 58% of the time it takes to encode it in AVC.

Now, I have tried another filter that is not Scenarist Standard Content to encode HD-DVDs so far they all crash and I can't encode. I think Standard Content installs VideoDecoder 4.2 but not sure.

On CineVision 1.2 I only encode AVC but on 2.0 I encode VC1. Now, I think I need the newest Scenarist that won't crash CineVision but then again I don't know if the newone will work with HD-DVDs.

I need to find another filter that works with GraphEdit so I can use CineVision 2.0. I dont like too much VC1 because I can't edit it, index it, or do anything with it. Ever since DGAVCDec came out I want to stir towards AVC but the quality improvement on VC1 can't be denied or ignored. My space contraints pushme towards the best quality and ignore the comodity of AVC indexer.

[Toti]

http://aycu13.webshots.com/image/18612/2000133996011405513_rs.jpg

http://aycu21.webshots.com/image/20540/2000174251966110139_rs.jpg

http://aycu25.webshots.com/image/20904/2000158541477310417_rs.jpg

--------------------------------------------------------
This is the error when you run GraphEdit without Scenarist Standard Content 4.11 filters

http://aycu24.webshots.com/image/17223/2000181262701134790_rs.jpg

http://aycu14.webshots.com/image/20853/2000194155061867838_rs.jpg

[Toti]

@ Everyone, Pitou versions work great with CineVision 2.0. Thanks PITOU!!!

[Nasgul]

Hi Toti,

thanks a lot for your efforts... I still have had no luck so far, guess I will try another fresh install tomorrow.

Maybe my versions slightly differ - after installing Scenarist SCA 4.12, I end up with Sonic Videodecoder 4.2 on my system and not 4.1. I only get 4.1 when Installing SCA 4.11.

I´ve tried dozens of scripts and encodes, and 95% of them end up with the same length (same for CV 1.2 or 2.0), which I think is the correct one. Unfortunately, the demuxed audio just does not match, it´s 6 seconds short. *sigh*

Thx,
Nas

[Pitou]

@ Toti

Thanks to you too, for all your efforts! :)

I'll try to do some tests with cinevision 2.0 as well

Pitou!

[blubberbirne]

Hi,

i need some little help.

H:\Test>x264.exe --keyint 14 --min-keyint 1 --vbv-maxrate 20000 --vbv-init 1.0 -
-vbv-bufsize 14745 --mvrange 511 --level 4.1 --nal-hrd --bframe 2 --bime --weigh
tb --ref 1 --mixed-refs --direct auto --deblock -1:-1 --bitrate 12500 --pass 1 -
-stats "x264_stat.log" --qcomp 0.75 --ipratio 1.10 --pbratio 1.10 --partitions "
all" --8x8dct --me "hex" --subme 5 --aud --sar 1:1 --deadzone-intra 6 --deadzone
-inter 6 --progress -o movie.264 h:\test\test.avs

avis [error]: unsupported input format (DIB )
x264 [error]: could not open input file 'h:\test\test.avs'

Here is the test.avs

DirectShowSource("H:\Test\test.grf",fps=23.98,audio=false)
AddBorders(0,144,0,144)

In Mediaplayer Classic the avs plays fine

EDIT:

when i opened the video with directshow and not with the grf file, it works.

DirectShowSource("H:\-=HDTV=-\-=Trailer=-\miami_vice-tlr2_h1080p_remuxed.mp4",fps=23.98,audio=false)

But, i think, this way doesn't works with evo files :rolleyes:

[Sagittaire]

Try with that in your script:
source=ConvertToYV12(source)
source=AssumeFPS(source,24000,1001)

1) Source must be at 1920*1080 for 1080p
2) Be carefull: if your bitrate is to close to your max bitrate then the vbv rate control could be no compliant (underflow).

[blubberbirne]

i test it, error message is the same

[blubberbirne]

Ok, i find the error :)

Note: You must add x264.exe in ffdshow to the alowed Programs :)

[blubberbirne]

Another Question.

Why does Multirhreading not work with this version of x264?

http://img157.imagevenue.com/loc1121/th_69327_Zwischenablage01_122_1121lo.jpg (http://img157.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=69327_Zwischenablage01_122_1121lo.jpg)

[woah!]

Another Question.

Why does Multirhreading not work with this version of x264?

http://img157.imagevenue.com/loc1121/th_69327_Zwischenablage01_122_1121lo.jpg (http://img157.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=69327_Zwischenablage01_122_1121lo.jpg)

it wasnt built with multithreading enabled. i too would love to see a version with it enabled as i have a qx6700 and it is painful to see 3 cores sitting idle. but it seems the pthreads patch or whatever is needed is not easy to find, heres the thread talking about it all: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125568

Sagittaire seems to have a "special" version that has all the needed options but hasnt been nice enough to share it. http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1016646#post1016646

[woah!]

well i just tried a nal-hrd version encode using x264 cli and it crashes ACA :(

i have decided to just go with cinevision AVC setup which seems to give me what i want. it uses multi-cores so i am getting an average of 10fps on a 1080p encode with the settings used in the screenshot below, unlike the 2.5 with the vc1 setup.

just burned a 4x RiData DVD-RDL with my dvr-212 pioneer burner

in nero i used DVD-ROM (UDF) - no multisession - Enable Xbox Compat settings.

dragged ADV_OBJ / HVDVD_TS folders into nero window and burn.

plays perfect on HD-A2 here and show HDDVD on the info screen on the front of the A2....





NOTE: DVD+RDL did NOT work in HD-A2 only DVD-RDL did.


http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/5571/55555555555555555555555oy2.jpg

[ernysmuntz]

Hi there, thanks to the OT for posting his guide to completeing this task :)

However I'm stuck after demuxing the .EVO main feature into a serperate VC1 and AC3 stream...

For the life of me I can't understand the graphedit program, and the filters mentioned aren't available when I search for them :(

Also, have no experience with avisynth...

There's no way anyone would be willing to explain step by step for the less informed amongst us (people who don't have experience with scripts\graphedit)

Thanks very much in advance for any help :)

[DudeMan]

NOTE: DVD+RDL did NOT work in HD-A2 only DVD-RDL did.

I also seem to be having luck using DVD-R DL DVDs rather than DVD+R DL DVDs. We have run tests and discs burned using Nero's XBox Compatibility Mode onto DVD-R DL discs play in every single HD DVD player on the market. Does anyone know what XBox Compatibility Mode is?

[drelin]

I've tested DVD -R/+R Dl on Toshiba HD-XE1 (european version of A2), the both type of disc are perfectly readed by the player, same result with Xbox 360 player.

For write HD-DVD project on DVD DL, I burn directly the ISO image disc created by Scenarist at end of compilation with Imgburn.

[Nasgul]

Hi,

a question to those encoding successfully with Cinevision: Is the time displayed in the input dialog exactly the same as the time in Scenarist and the audio tracks?

I always end up with the wrong timecode in Cinevision - in this example evodemux gives 97504 calculated frames and the time should be 1:07:46...

Regards,
Nas

[woah!]

Hi,

a question to those encoding successfully with Cinevision: Is the time displayed in the input dialog exactly the same as the time in Scenarist and the audio tracks?

I always end up with the wrong timecode in Cinevision - in this example evodemux gives 97504 calculated frames and the time should be 1:07:46...

Regards,
Nas

cinevision will show the pulldown timecode. which will be different to the 23.976 timecode from evodemux.

also remember to check the evodemux info to see if there is a delay on the audio, if so then you just adjust the timing in when authoring in ACA. or use delaycut to add the delay that way.

[Toti]

Don't give up!

The screen you see on Imgburn is the booktype of the current disk. It does not indicate what booktype the burner will set! In your case, the Pioneer will set the booktype to DVD-ROM and you can't change it. You must use another burner.

From
http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Reviews/Specific.aspx?ArticleId=12802&PageId=24

As with the Pioneer DVR-108, the DVD-109 doesn't support BookType Setting for DVD+R/+RW formats. With DVD+R DL discs, Booktype is automatically set to DVD-ROM.

Use Nero CD-DVD Speed with a burned disk in the drive and go to the Disc Info tab to see the booktype after you burn.

Additionally, you must use Nero with xbox UDF compatibility. Burn the ADV_OBJ and HDDVD_TS folders, don't use an ISO. Follow these steps and I'll bet it will work.

Thanks Pitou & Quantum, I finally got it to work. Your right the Pioneer DVD recorder doesn't work. I got an LG and works great. :)

[quantum]

Thanks Pitou & Quantum, I finally got it to work. Your right the Pioneer DVD recorder doesn't work. I got an LG and works great. :)
Good work. Now we have confirmation it works on the A2 as well as my XA2. I might put together a 1280x720 to HD-A2/XA2 guide. It's complex, but it's cool to see it working.

[woah!]

i just bought DVD-RDL media instead of buying a new drive, and they work very well on my HD-A2 :

Nero CD-DVD Speed: Disc Info
Basic Information
Disc type: : DVD-R DL
Book Type : DVD-R
Manufacturer: : Ritek
MID : RITEKP01
Write speeds: : 2 X - 4 X
Blank Capacity : n/a
Extended Information
Layers : 2
Layer break : 3.99 GB
Usage : Authoring
Copyright protection : n/a
Recorder information : recorded with PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-212D
Disc Status : Closed
Raw Data
Pre-recorded Information in Lead-in (0Eh)
0000 - 01 02 91 FD D1 0A 60 00 02 00 00 00 33 2B 00 00 - ......`.....3+..
0010 - 03 52 49 54 45 4B 50 00 04 30 31 00 00 00 00 00 - .RITEKP..01.....
0020 - 05 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 F0 FF FF FF D0 3E 18 00 - .............>..
0030 - FC 10 11 00 5D 8E 41 77 04 00 00 00 F4 10 11 00 - ....].Aw........
0040 - 10 C0 D4 77 00 80 00 00 CA F2 D5 77 7D 3F 41 77 - ...w.......w}?Aw
0050 - 00 80 00 00 EA 06 73 00 FC FF FF FF 00 00 00 00 - ......s.........
0060 - 01 00 00 00 D0 3E 18 00 48 11 11 00 00 00 15 00 - .....>..H.......

[kidbeach]

I'm having a little trouble with this amazing process and i was wondering if anyone could help me out. my backups are playing on my toshiba hd-a2, but extremely choppy (though very nice looking) and the audio is WAY off

im starting out with a single non decrypted .evo file, such as feature_1.evo and using just that one since i am backing up to dvd5 not 9, so im trying to keep the size down.

i use evodemux to tell me the lenght of the film and the calculated frames, and also the audio bitrate and check for a delay, and then demux the audio only out to ac3.

i then use graph edit to create a graph-
i insert filter-haali media splitter and then find the .evo file. then i insert the ffdshow video decoder, wvc1 labavcodec, and then attatch the haali output to the ffdshow input. save that as a grf file then create the avs file that is shown in the first post in this thread, and i input all the necessary info.

then i load up x264 and do a single pass (cant figure out for the life of me how to do double and triple passes, it always says it cannot access the log file when i try) and i output it to movie.264

using 264 info i load the movie.264 and then click 3:2 pulldown and then output it to another .264 file.

then i start up scenarist, create a new hddvd-30 project and load the new .264 file and then i find the ac3 that i created with evodemux and load that.

my ac3 file is NEVER the same length as my .264 file, and i have no idea how to sync the audio.

i then open nero, drag over the two folders created by scenarist and burn them do a dvd-r (dvd5) with udf+xbox compatibility mode.

my toshiba hd-a2 recognizes them immediatly as hd-dvd, and the picture quality is brilliant, however, the video is very choppy and as said before, the audio is WAY off, even when there was no delay in the original audio.

if anyone has any suggestions they would be much appreciated, im posting a detailed process of what im doign below
thanks

here is an example of one of my attempts:
evodemux:

Duration = 0:51:10.067
VC-1 video stream 0 found!
First PTS = 00001603
Substream id = 55
Profile = Advanced
Level = 3
Chroma Format = 4:2:0
Size = 1920x1080
Display size = 1920x1080
Aspect ratio = 1:1 (square samples)
Frame Rate = 23.976 (24000/1001)
Dolby Digital Plus audio stream 0 found!
First PTS = 00001603
Substream id = C0
Stream 0 is Dolby Digital
Sampling frequency = 48 kHz
Transmission bitrate = 448 kbit/s
Channel arrangement = L + R + C + Ls + Rs, bsid = 6, bsmod =0
73608 calculated frames in video stream 0.

---

demux audio with evodemux- AC3 448kbit/s
--

bitrate

(s-(a x l))/L=v

v x 8

L = Lenght of the whole movie in seconds
S = Size you like to use in KB (note 700 MB x 1024° = 716 800 KB)
A = Audio bitrate in KB/s (note 224 kbit/s = 224 / 8° = 28 KB/s)
V = Video bitrate in KB/s, to get kbit/s multiply with 8°.

4198400 -171923.752 / 3070.067 *8

bitrate 10492.217265616678723949672759585

x264.exe --keyint 14 --min-keyint 1 --vbv-maxrate 20000 --vbv-ini
t 1.0 --vbv-bufsize 14745 --mvrange 511 --level 4.1 --nal-hrd --bframe 2 --bime
--weightb --ref 1 --mixed-refs --direct auto --deblock -1:-1 --bitrate 10492 --pa
ss 1 --stats "x264_stat.log" --qcomp 0.75 --ipratio 1.10 --pbratio 1.10 --partit
ion "all" --8x8dct --me "hex" --subme 5 --aud --sar 1:1 --deadzone-intra 6 --dea
dzone-inter 6 --progress -o movie.264 "c:\users\danny\documents\hddvd\pe1\1.avs" [1920x1080]



process: Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6000]
Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Windows\system32>cd c:\users\danny\



c:\Users\Danny>x264.exe --keyint 14 --min-keyint 1 --vbv-maxrate 20000 --vbv-ini
t 1.0 --vbv-bufsize 14745 --mvrange 511 --level 4.1 --nal-hrd --bframe 2 --bime
--weightb --ref 1 --mixed-refs --direct auto --deblock -1:-1 --bitrate 10492 --p
ass 1 --stats "x264_stat.log" --qcomp 0.75 --ipratio 1.10 --pbratio 1.10 --parti
tion "all" --8x8dct --me "hex" --subme 5 --aud --sar 1:1 --deadzone-intra 6 --de
adzone-inter 6 --progress -o movie.264 "c:\users\danny\documents\hddvd\pe1\1.avs
" [1920x1080]
avis [info]: 1920x1080 @ 23.98 fps (73608 frames)
x264 [warning]: width or height not divisible by 16 (1920x1080), compression wil
l suffer.
x264 [info]: using SAR=1/1
x264 [info]: using cpu capabilities MMX MMXEXT SSE SSE2 3DNow!
x264 [info]: slice I:9111 Avg QP:24.97 size:101700 PSNR Mean Y:43.07 U:44.82
V:47.67 Avg:43.75 Global:42.17
x264 [info]: slice P:38029 Avg QP:25.37 size: 59941 PSNR Mean Y:43.07 U:44.35
V:47.16 Avg:43.66 Global:42.10
x264 [info]: slice B:26468 Avg QP:25.78 size: 27682 PSNR Mean Y:42.87 U:44.58
V:47.13 Avg:43.52 Global:41.81
x264 [info]: mb I I16..4: 15.6% 65.2% 19.2%
x264 [info]: mb P I16..4: 8.6% 27.7% 2.6% P16..4: 32.4% 12.7% 3.0% 0.4% 0
.2% skip:12.4%
x264 [info]: mb B I16..4: 1.1% 5.1% 0.3% B16..8: 27.4% 0.6% 1.3% direct:
25.7% skip:38.5%
x264 [info]: final ratefactor: 24.08
x264 [info]: 8x8 transform intra:69.5% inter:52.0%
x264 [info]: direct mvs spatial:90.7% temporal:9.3%
x264 [info]: SSIM Mean Y:0.9691012
x264 [info]: PSNR Mean Y:42.996 U:44.492 V:47.212 Avg:43.621 Global:42.002 kb/s:
10265.36

encoded 73608 frames, 1.49 fps, 10269.77 kb/s

c:\Users\Danny>
--

h264info alpha .07
3:2 pulldown
--

scenarist advanced content

hd dvd-30

import .264, import ac3

[woah!]

i think someone had a audio issue when using --keyint 14 --min-keyint 1

i use --keyint 12 --min-keyint 4

--keyint 14 --min-keyint 2 might be ok but i havent tried that myself. other than that it looks like the correct process from what i can see.

also i only use WMVideo Decoder DMO filter in my graphs and have had great success with sync v/a

File Source Async ----> Haali Media Splitter AR ---> WMVideo Decoder DMO

i think this is where to start looking..

[kidbeach]

woah! thanks for the tips... im going to try that out right now and have it encoding through the night and ill check it after school... :cool:

[kidbeach]

:thanks:

it works!

now all i have to do is figure out how to use megui or delay cut to insert these delays without making an 8 hour long audio clip lol

[Trahald]

Im contemplating adding a warning about that.. only if i can confirm it isnt just a scenarist glitch

[Heathcliff]

Be carefull: if your bitrate is to close to your max bitrate then the vbv rate control could be no compliant (underflow).

how to be sure of that ?? i had a buffer underflow when compiling with scenarist standart 4.12 with both the following commands :
--keyint 14 --min-keyint 1 --vbv-maxrate 26000 --vbv-init 1.0 --vbv-bufsize 14745 --mvrange 511 --level 4.1 --nal-hrd --bframe 2 --bime --weightb --ref 1 --mixed-refs --direct auto --deblock -1:-1 --bitrate 13000 --pass 1 --stats "fz_x264.log" --qcomp 0.75 --ipratio 1.10 --pbratio 1.10 --partitions "all" --8x8dct --me "hex" --subme 5 --aud --sar 1:1 --cqmfile prestige.cfg --deadzone-intra 6 --deadzone-inter 6 --progress -o fz_x264.264 fz_hd.avs

AND with :
--keyint 14 --min-keyint 1 --vbv-maxrate 20000 --vbv-init 1.0 --vbv-bufsize 14745 --mvrange 511 --level 4.1 --nal-hrd --bframe 2 --bime --weightb --ref 1 --mixed-refs --direct auto --deblock -1:-1 --bitrate 12000 --pass 1 --stats "fz_x264_v2.log" --qcomp 0.75 --ipratio 1.10 --pbratio 1.10 --partitions "all" --8x8dct --me "hex" --subme 5 --aud --sar 1:1 --cqmfile prestige.cfg --deadzone-intra 6 --deadzone-inter 6 --progress -o fz_x264_v2.264 fz_hd.avs

both commands worked with a 47sec trailer but both failed (buffer undeflow problem in scenarist) with the full movie (75 mins)
the sources are the same for the trailer & the movie (uncompressed avi)

[Sagittaire]

how to be sure of that ?? i had a buffer underflow when compiling with scenarist standart 4.12 with both the following commands :
--keyint 14 --min-keyint 1 --vbv-maxrate 26000 --vbv-init 1.0 --vbv-bufsize 14745 --mvrange 511 --level 4.1 --nal-hrd --bframe 2 --bime --weightb --ref 1 --mixed-refs --direct auto --deblock -1:-1 --bitrate 13000 --pass 1 --stats "fz_x264.log" --qcomp 0.75 --ipratio 1.10 --pbratio 1.10 --partitions "all" --8x8dct --me "hex" --subme 5 --aud --sar 1:1 --cqmfile prestige.cfg --deadzone-intra 6 --deadzone-inter 6 --progress -o fz_x264.264 fz_hd.avs

AND with :
--keyint 14 --min-keyint 1 --vbv-maxrate 20000 --vbv-init 1.0 --vbv-bufsize 14745 --mvrange 511 --level 4.1 --nal-hrd --bframe 2 --bime --weightb --ref 1 --mixed-refs --direct auto --deblock -1:-1 --bitrate 12000 --pass 1 --stats "fz_x264_v2.log" --qcomp 0.75 --ipratio 1.10 --pbratio 1.10 --partitions "all" --8x8dct --me "hex" --subme 5 --aud --sar 1:1 --cqmfile prestige.cfg --deadzone-intra 6 --deadzone-inter 6 --progress -o fz_x264_v2.264 fz_hd.avs

both commands worked with a 47sec trailer but both failed (buffer undeflow problem in scenarist) with the full movie (75 mins)
the sources are the same for the trailer & the movie (uncompressed avi)

You must use a lower qcomp: try qcomp=0.5 for average at 13000 (with max at 26000) and qcomp=0.25 for average at 12000 with max at 20000.

[Heathcliff]

You must use a lower qcomp: try qcomp=0.5 for average at 13000 (with max at 26000) and qcomp=0.25 for average at 12000 with max at 20000.
so if i understand well, for bitrate at half the max i should use qcomp=0.5, for bitrate more than half the max i should use qcomp=0.25 & for bitrate less than half the max i should use qcomp=0.75, is that right ?
Is the qcomp parameter is like the V/C one in CCE ?

[tyee]

This is very interesting backup method. A nice tutorial would be much appreciated from Toti. How about it Toti? Not many posts for a while. Is this method still working good?

[Toti]

This is very interesting backup method. A nice tutorial would be much appreciated from Toti. How about it Toti? Not many posts for a while. Is this method still working good?

Hi Tyee, to be honest with you. Yes, the method still works good. However, I sold my Toshiba HD-DVD player and the discs. I am now backing my stuff on AVC-HD that plays on the Sony Bluray player just perfect.

Why such a change? Many reasons:

Reason #1: the files inside the AVCHD are in .m2ts which is a standard Transport Stream file at 192 byte packets rather than 188 (nothing TS Remux can't handle).

Reason #2: These .m2ts files play perfect within Media Center (you only need a DirectShow AVC codec).

Reason #3: Scenarist ACA everytime you create an HD-DVD with an AC3 stream, it authors it as Dolby Digital Plus EAC. Making it impossible to play in Media Center.

Reason #4: You don't need to have a special drive to change the bit-settings. Any good old DVD-Recorder with any bitsetting will do.

Reason #5: Video is left at its original framerate of 23.976fps, no pulldown.

If you are into Media Center these files will play within Media Center. You don't have to leave MCE to PowerDVD in order to play the movies.

With HD-DVD you have to register PowerDVD to play all your HD-DVDs so everytime you insert the disc Media Center will minimize and PowerDVD will launch and play the file. However, while the file plays you can't just open the menu of media center and browse.

DRAWBACKS: yes there are drawbacks. You can't have menus, it won't support VC1, DTS, DTS-HD, Dolby Digital Plus or True HD. However, I want everything in Dolby Digital just to assure backward compability with my Computer SPDIF and my receiver.

[Pitou]

Hello,

Anyone knows where is this thread?

Thanks!

Pitou!

[DarkNite]

@Pitou

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=128409

[kidbeach]

hey guys,
which splitter and codec are you using for avc in your graphs?

[Chefkoch_ico]

Hi!

I just tested, if u want/need to save bitrate, if u encode in 1440x1080, Scenarist SCA accepts the file and it is also playable on Toshiba SAPs (tested on XE1).

Thats also great for HDV source, no need to scale up.

Greetings

[mcmanuf]

Hi.

I was wondering why we could'nt put up a officiel guide on the main doom9.org homepage instead of keeping these gems in this forum :-)

You know a detailed guide with pictures and such and thourough explaination..

As far as i can see, the only guides on the main page is dvd related guides..

[CRUSHPROOFBOX]

Anyone know anything about iHD coding or know any good references for it. I've successfully remastered/backed up a couple HD-DVD's I own, & they play fine in Power DVD: menus, subs, extras, audio, & u-control, but when I burn them on a DVD-9 they won't play on my Toshiba. When I looked up the error code, it was for a script error.

[Adub]

A guide on the main page is a good idea.

Doom9, could this be done? When you have time that is.

@Crushproofbox,
Exactly what script error? And are you following each step in the guide exactly?

[bennynihon]

Anyone know anything about iHD coding or know any good references for it. I've successfully remastered/backed up a couple HD-DVD's I own, & they play fine in Power DVD: menus, subs, extras, audio, & u-control, but when I burn them on a DVD-9 they won't play on my Toshiba. When I looked up the error code, it was for a script error.

I'm curious how you remastered with menus, extras, etc? Others I remember reporting issues with this (though it's not entirely working for you either). What software did you use? Did you just point to the original HD-DVD directory structure but with reencoded .evo file? Thanks.

[CRUSHPROOFBOX]

@ Merlin7777 - That's the thing, I don't know what the script error is?? My Tosh A20 only plays the first play title then the player stops. On screen it says it 'cannot play this disc' and displays an error code on the player's display.

@ bennynihon
- It was pretty straight forward, I've used pretty much the same method's listed in the forums for decrypting & re-encoding - EVO to MKV to AVI (yv12/light smoothing) to x264 for the main title and Cinevision for the extras (vc-1-smoother playback) and the sub-video (h264-advanced sub).
- I used ffmpeg-evo & aften for the audio.
- Once all your assets (.264/.ac3/.scn-sst/.aca files) are converted, fire up Scenarist ACA and import.
- You have to look @ the .xpl file in the decrypted ADV_OBJ folder to know where to add the iHD apllication/title/playlist applications/resources to the individual titles.
- You also (obviously) match the names of the EVO's (titles) in your project to the originals and build the project.
- Once it's built, you'll need to re-edit the original .xpl file with the correct times for each title and the correct application sizes from the .xpl generated by Scenarist.
- Once that's done you can replace the .xpl generated by Scenarist with your newly edited one and you should be able to play the movie back on Power DVD just like the original.

Also, if using x264 to re-encode your main movie use 12/4 for your key-frames you'll get better audio sync on chapter changes.

Subtitles and Sub-video are another story but if you need help with that I'll post again, got to go.

I've re-done two movies this way and the work fine except on my Toshiba (see-above), really need to get that figured out - my 3 year old nephew already destroyed two originals of happy feet.

[bennynihon]

@ bennynihon
- It was pretty straight forward, I've used pretty much the same method's listed in the forums for decrypting & re-encoding - EVO to MKV to AVI (yv12/light smoothing) to x264 for the main title and Cinevision for the extras (vc-1-smoother playback) and the sub-video (h264-advanced sub).
- I used ffmpeg-evo & aften for the audio.
- Once all your assets (.264/.ac3/.scn-sst/.aca files) are converted, fire up Scenarist ACA and import.
- You have to look @ the .xpl file in the decrypted ADV_OBJ folder to know where to add the iHD apllication/title/playlist applications/resources to the individual titles.
- You also (obviously) match the names of the EVO's (titles) in your project to the originals and build the project.
- Once it's built, you'll need to re-edit the original .xpl file with the correct times for each title and the correct application sizes from the .xpl generated by Scenarist.
- Once that's done you can replace the .xpl generated by Scenarist with your newly edited one and you should be able to play the movie back on Power DVD just like the original.

Also, if using x264 to re-encode your main movie use 12/4 for your key-frames you'll get better audio sync on chapter changes.

Subtitles and Sub-video are another story but if you need help with that I'll post again, got to go.

I've re-done two movies this way and the work fine except on my Toshiba (see-above), really need to get that figured out - my 3 year old nephew already destroyed two originals of happy feet.

Excellent summary. Hopefully you'll get to the root of the problem. I'm assuming you have the latest Toshiba firmware?

One thing to try would be to sort of peel the onion and try removing some of the features you've added. Maybe first start with just the main movie and make sure that much plays fine. Then try chapters, or just the subs, or just the iHD material, etc. Maybe you'll find it's just the iHD that causing the problem for instance.

[stevencday]

First of all, thanks to everyone who has worked so hard in educating and giving the rest of us the tools we need to make this a reality.

I am starting out with 720p h.264/5.1ac3 mkv files and I am converting them to HD-DVD compliant 264 streams and of course not touching the ac3.

I have used the methods DarthMaul explained and everything seems to go smoothly with couple exceptions.

No matter what I do, I cannot seem to get my audio and video to have the same duration in Scenarist ACA. I am using the 665i_pulldown version of x264 with h264info 13, but I have read by some that there lies my problem. I have CineVision, but I cannot get it to render without an error.

For cinevision, I was using the mkv->avs->avi via vfapi process but no go.

Is there an alternative to h264info to do the pulldown? Am I encoding the h264 file with x264 in such a way that when I do the pulldown it messes up?

Last question, since I already have an h264 file is it really neccessary to re-encode the file? Can I not just set "flags" or something or somehow just make it "hd-dvd compliant" using some sort of transcode or something?

Forgive the newbie nature of this last paragraph, I am just coming from the mpeg-2 world of DVD and I am not quite getting it yet.

[stevencday]

Also,

Since the x264 version I am using is called 665i_pulldown, does that mean I can actually do the 29.97 pulldown during the encoding process and not have to use h264info?

One more thing, what is the pulldown framerate I should use if I have a 25fps h264 file?

[hollydoc]

I try to create HD-DVD to DVD9 without reencoding.
If the HD-DVD contain 2 èvo`s < 8GB i can demux eatch evo in elementary streams and Scenarist acept the stems, The H-DVD9 plays fin on my Toshiba E1.
But if the Evo >10GB i try to remux to a big evo and split it with HDBDSplit. After demuxing the splits, Scenarist ACA dont like the elementary streams.
How i can split or cut bigger evoß.
I have read about EvoSplit, but I can´t find this program.

Can anyone hlp me?

Hollydoc

[CRUSHPROOFBOX]

Also,

Since the x264 version I am using is called 665i_pulldown, does that mean I can actually do the 29.97 pulldown during the encoding process and not have to use h264info?

One more thing, what is the pulldown framerate I should use if I have a 25fps h264 file?

You'll only need to use pulldown for 1280x720 material (pulldown to 50fps) but not for 1920x1080, 1440x1080, and standard DVD resolutions. Just make sure to use the --nal-hrd option when re-encoding.

[stevencday]

You'll only need to use pulldown for 1280x720 material (pulldown to 50fps) but not for 1920x1080, 1440x1080, and standard DVD resolutions. Just make sure to use the --nal-hrd option when re-encoding.

Yeah, everything I use is 720p.... 1280x720 - So again, I DO still have to use h264info to perform the 29.97 pulldown in order for it to work in Scenarist ACA, right? What is nal-hrd actually doing to the encode? Again, can x264 actually perform the pulldown during the encode?

[david14]

what encoder should i use make HD-DVD compliant 264 streams i tryed out Elecard Converter and Scenarist kepted giving me this error software decode media not found on system am i encoding them wrong missing codec and is there anyother encoder make them.

[Razumka]

I build in ScenaristACA DVD9 project, in LayoutInfo.xml I see that strings:

<Layers number="2" trackpath="OTP">
<LBPosition offset="4150949888">HVDVD_TS/EVOB001.EVO</LBPosition>
<Layer0 dataSize="4150949888"/>
<Layer1 dataSize="4143950324"/>
</Layers>

4150949888 it is bytes? What I must write in IMGBURN to creat right layer break? 4150949888\2048=sector 2026831?

It is realy important or just leave "Calculate optimal"?

[mikeathome]

what encoder should i use make HD-DVD compliant 264 streams i tryed out Elecard Converter and Scenarist kepted giving me this error software decode media not found on system am i encoding them wrong missing codec and is there anyother encoder make them.

They only one that seems to work is Sonic CineVison Encoder, which is a real shame!

Looking at a nicely 720p encoding done with x264 right now and knowing there's hardly any way to ever put this on a miniHD-DVD-9 for playback in Toshiba A3.

Whatever I tried the *Professional* Scenarist Authoring Programs keep bitching back...
There are a couple of posts in this thread explaining the usage of CineVision for this task.

On the x264 encodes is probably some | 1 header information missing which leads to an unrecognized and rejected stream. I will try to find this out by comparing a CineVison encode with a x264. If I find something I'll let you know.

Q:
Is the fourCC codec identifier written into the stream? If yes that might be the problem, as standard SA HD-DVD profile sets it to x264. There's the possibility to set this to avc1 in meGui. As far as I see h264info does not show the setting.

mike

P.S.
I am SOOOOO sad that HD-DVD died before we had a freeware muxing tool for HD-DVD. None of the cheap tools from Ahead, Pinnacle, Ulead are accepting H264 for video.