Encode HD-DVD to WMV for 360 playback?

[bluesk1d]

Is it possible at this stage in the game to add a track for subtitles that can be turned on or off and not just permanently on or permanently off? I see that EvoDemux can rip the subtitle track but ive not seen any mention of re-including it back into the final wmv stream. :thanks:

Did you ever find any info on this? Im in the same boat. I started a thread here.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=126200

[dbling]

Ive gotten the hang of converting HD-DVDs to wmvhd down, but does anyone know of a similar method for doing bluray movies or could point to another forum thread that does? I know this is a thread for hddvd, but havent seen anything similar for the bluguys. THanks

-D

[bluesk1d]

@ACrowley

You use Sonic Video Decoder 4.2 a lot so maybe you have seen this... I got a new machine and after installing XP and all the goodies, Sonic 4.2 will not attach to anything in a graph. Before I would connect the demuxed VC-1 stream to the Sonic HD Demuxer and then Sonic Vid Decoder 4.2. Now it will not connect to the HD demuxer. It also wont connect to Elecard demuxer. In fact, I cant get Sonic to connect to anything in Graph edit. There must be some component that was on my old machine that isnt on my new one... Any ideas?

[diogen]

...It just receives raw video frames from AviSynth and should encode it at the bit rate you tell it to.That is not how it works.
It will use the specs of the encode you requested using bitrate up to the max specified.
If it can get away with less, it will.

Same applies to framerate. From WME9 help:
"Depending on factors such as the video size and codec quality setting, the actual fps you achieve might be lower."

Diogen.

EDIT: Looking at your script, you used 100% quality and encoded a ~2h movie in 10 hours? What are your PC's specs?

[bluesk1d]

That is not how it works.
It will use the specs of the encode you requested using bitrate up to the max specified.
If it can get away with less, it will.

Thanks for the info. It just seems hard to believe it would think it could get away with an average bit rate of roughly half of what I define in a CBR 100% quality encode (not the one noted in the example). That would mean if I changed the BR to something crazy like 50Mb/sec and did another encode the average BR would still be more or less the same since it doesn't think it needs any more (aside from spikes)? Weird.

EDIT: Looking at your script, you used 100% quality and encoded a ~2h movie in 10 hours? What are your PC's specs?

Its a Core 2 Duo E6600 running at 3.0GHz w/2GB Geil DDR-800 running at 833MHz under XP.

[diogen]

...That would mean if I changed the BR to something crazy like 50Mb/sec and did another encode the average BR would still be more or less the same since it doesn't think it needs any more (aside from spikes)? Weird.I think so.

In general, re-encoding VC-1 into VC-1 (with different specs) from my experience is not the same as encoding MPEG-2 HD into VC-1. And even that can be unpredictable: a recent CBR encoding of Alien-2 DVD (~9Mbps original into 2.5Mbps VC-1) produced a result of under 2Mbps.

Try doing a 2-pass encode. I think the results will be different.
The original VC-1 stream is certainly not 1-pass CBR.

Diogen.

[diogen]

...Its a Core 2 Duo E6600 running at 3.0GHz w/2GB Geil DDR-800 running at 833MHz under XP.When encoding satellite MPEG-2 HD streams (~12Mbps) with 40% quality at ~6Mbps on a 6420 @ 2.5GHz and stock RAM, it takes 12-15X the movie length (2-pass VBR) and 7-8X 1-pass CBR.

Diogen.

[NHRaider]

When encoding satellite MPEG-2 HD streams (~12Mbps) with 40% quality at ~6Mbps on a 6420 @ 2.5GHz and stock RAM, it takes 12-15X the movie length (2-pass VBR) and 7-8X 1-pass CBR.

Diogen.


I was hoping to find someone with similar specs to see what the performance was like. I have a Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 (2@2.93GHz) with 4 GB.... I encode video only at 14Mbps and 75% quality and it takes me 8.33x movie length for 1-pass CBR.

[diogen]

It is not the same factor for different movies: Casino Royale for example used about 15% more time (per movie minute) than Mission Impossible 3 and/or The Queen.
And adding filtering and increasing -v_quality can easily double this time.

Diogen.

[bluesk1d]

I was hoping to find someone with similar specs to see what the performance was like. I have a Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 (2@2.93GHz) with 4 GB.... I encode video only at 14Mbps and 75% quality and it takes me 8.33x movie length for 1-pass CBR.

To put it in your context. Most of my 100% quality encodes between 7 and 9Mbps run at around .2x to .25x so roughly 4-5x the movie length. On occasion I will start 2 at a time before bed and they will both be done a couple hours before I get home from work the following day. Have to put that machine to work while I work :p

[borley1863]

The reason i ask is that i have some WMVHD files which i can play in the game drive as video but i don`t like the player especialy trying to rewind!
So is it possible to make the discs into HDDVD discs without converting the file? As i know you can buy feature films in WMVHD but i`m not sure how they work do they just play on pc`s like a data file or do they boot like a HDDVD?
I`m not to clued up with the structure of HDDVD`s i have burnt many DVD`s in my time, i take it it has some folder structure but i just don`t understand the 2 formats seem completely different(Avi and Mpeg)
Thanks in advance
Borley

[bluesk1d]

The reason i ask is that i have some WMVHD files which i can play in the game drive as video but i don`t like the player especialy trying to rewind!
So is it possible to make the discs into HDDVD discs without converting the file? As i know you can buy feature films in WMVHD but i`m not sure how they work do they just play on pc`s like a data file or do they boot like a HDDVD?
I`m not to clued up with the structure of HDDVD`s i have burnt many DVD`s in my time, i take it it has some folder structure but i just don`t understand the 2 formats seem completely different(Avi and Mpeg)
Thanks in advance
Borley

If I understand your question... You should not have to purchase the add on drive as the only reason for that is to have the actual hardware capable of reading an HD DVD disc since it is physically different than a DVD. It does not have some kind of associated special player with more functionality. WMVHD discs are on regular DVD media so they should read in the 360's regular drive. Whether or not the 360 dashboard supports the WMVHD menu system and such is unknown to me (I would be pretty surprised if it did not). Make sure you have the latest dashboard (Week of May 7th, 2007) as it provides some improvements to the dashboard media player with regard to seeking through files.

[zambelli]

As i know you can buy feature films in WMVHD but i`m not sure how they work do they just play on pc`s like a data file or do they boot like a HDDVD?
WMV-HD branded discs are intended for Windows PC playback only. They were not designed for Xbox playback.

[zambelli]

That is not how it works.
It will use the specs of the encode you requested using bitrate up to the max specified.
If it can get away with less, it will.
That's correct. WMV9 codec does not pad bits in CBR mode.

In my experience the usual causes of encoded bitrate being lower than target bitrate in CBR mode are:
1) The target bitrate was too high for the width*height*fps and complexity of the source, so the encoder didn't use all the bits you asked it to use.
2) There were many repeated identical frames in the source, such as in 3:2 pulldown patterns which haven't been properly decimated.

@bluesk1d: You should check whether your .avs script is returning true 23.976 fps or maybe it's actually serving 29.97 fps with repeat frames.

increasing -v_quality can easily double this time.
Unlikely.

Here's the scoop on v_quality and CBR:

In CBR mode v_quality controls the tradeoff between crispness and smoothness. A crisp video might have sharp looking frames but lack motion smoothness due to dropped frames. A smooth video has all the frames but some might look very bad.

Under the covers, what v_quality truly does is control the minimum and maximum QP used by the CBR ratecontrol. Q=90 and higher sets the MINimum QP to 1, while lower values set the minimum QP to 2. The MAXimum QP is set somewhere between 15 and 30 depending the v_quality value. For example, Q0 would translate to a QP 2..30 range, while Q100 would translate to a QP 1..14 range.

How does that relate to crispness/smoothness then? The primary goal of CBR ratecontrol is to ensure the video buffer doesn't overflow. When the buffer is nearly full the ratecontrol responds by raising the QP for the current frame. If the v_quality is set too high and the maximum QP has already been reached, the ratecontrol has no choice but to drop the frame altogether because it simply can't encode it without overflowing the buffer. Lower v_quality values simply tell the encoder to keep raising the QP further until the compressed frame is small enough to fit into the buffer.

So what's the ideal v_quality value? The highest you can get away with without having dropped frames. If you want to make sure QP=1 gets used, then you gotta make sure you use above Q90. Otherwise, just pick a value and try it. As long as you don't get dropped frames, you've made the right choice. I often encode at Q50 just because I know it's unlikely to give me dropped frames, while at the same time it won't go past QP=22 or so in its ratecontrol.

Explanation for those unfamiliar with "QP": QP is Picture Quantizer, a unit of measuring the compression ratio of a frame. In VC-1 the QP range is 1..31, with 1 having the best quality and smallest compression ration, and 31 having the worst quality and highest compression ratio. If you're familiar with JPEG compression ratios, QP ought to make sense.

Remember: in video encoding CBR is really only just VBR with less bitrate oscillation and less knowledge of things to come.

[bluesk1d]

@bluesk1d: You should check whether your .avs script is returning true 23.976 fps or maybe it's actually serving 29.97 fps with repeat frames.

How do you check that? If it is just a matter of the frame rate setting in the DirectShowSource line options, it is always set to 23.976 as I use a template AVS for all my encodes. It seems to respond as expected if I increase or decrease the value. I found this out after some frustration I was having encoding a trailer. It took me a while to realize the reason for the audio synch problem was that it was a PAL source and needed to be set to 25fps (Doh!). Once I set the AVS to 25fps, it was fine.

EDIT: Nevermined. I just saw your other post about making an uncompressed AVI to check for duped frames and such. Ill respond there.

[diogen]

And adding filtering and increasing -v_quality can easily double this time.Unlikely.I thought v_quality is the same as the slider in Tools->Options->Performance. This slider has dramatic effect on encoding times.
I keep it in the third position from left. Never set it as a parameter even when using AVS.

Diogen.

[benwaggoner]

I thought v_quality is the same as the slider in Tools->Options->Performance. This slider has dramatic effect on encoding times.
I keep it in the third position from left. Never set it as a parameter even when using AVS.

You're thinking of -v_performance.

Myself, I use second-last from the left, (aka 80 from WMCmd)

[diogen]

You're thinking of -v_performance.

Myself, I use second-last from the left, (aka 80 from WMCmd)And -v_quality doesn't have a corresponding slider?
Shouldn't those two be tightly related?
What happens if you request the highest possibe quality and performance?

Diogen.

EDIT: OK, I re-read zambelli's post above and think I know the answer:
I'll probably be left with 1 frame per second ;-)

[zambelli]

EDIT: OK, I re-read zambelli's post above and think I know the answer.
Sheesh, and I even used the big font and everything! :)

[whitey1977]

* All WMV files play beautifully on the PC.
*2 channel WMV files play beautifully on the Helios Media Player. (8Mb sample)
*5.1 WMV files have slow/choppy audio on the media player (10.8Mb Sample)

Accessing Media Center from XBOX360:
When I tried to play these WMV files on the Xbox360, after selecting the movie the screen displays "Finished" - with the options of restart, delete, or done. I can't even play the WMV-HD samples from Microsoft site.

I went back and kept the same Video with sampling at 10.8MB bit rate, and created another wma file by changing the audio from 768Kbps 6 channel 48KHz to 440Kbps 6 channel 48KHz and then muxed the movie back together... And the movie was able to play on the media player but still not on the XBOX360.

I further went back and kept the same Video with sampling at 10.8MB bit rate, and created another wma file by changing the audio from 440Kbps 6 channel 48KHz to 440Kbps 2 channel 48KHz and then muxed the movie back together... And the movie was able to play on the media player and on the XBOX360.

Any clue why these multi-channel audio files will not play and seem to finish immediately with the xbox360?

Also, any comment on why I can stream 440Kbps vs 768Kbps for the 5.1 audio?

Edit: I was having problems playing via Media Center...but accessing Media>Video>Computer>Zune, I had no issues with playing the 6 channel...so the problem was playing 6 channel is Media Center...

So..I still want to stream via my Helios Media player...My question is... Is the sampling of 768Kbps much different in quality than 448Kbps for 48KHz, 5.1channel??


Did you ever solve this problem? I have been using a similar process to convert H.244 .ts to wmv for xbox playback. The videos play fine without audio muxed in or 2 channel sound but fail with 5.1 sound

Thanks

Whitey

[bluesk1d]

Did you ever solve this problem? I have been using a similar process to convert H.244 .ts to wmv for xbox playback. The videos play fine without audio muxed in or 2 channel sound but fail with 5.1 sound

Thanks

Whitey

The 360 only supports 2 channel audio with MPEG-4 at this time. If you want 6 channel audio, you are forced to use Windows Media.

[whitey1977]

The 360 only supports 2 channel audio with MPEG-4 at this time. If you want 6 channel audio, you are forced to use Windows Media.

I'm using H.264 .ts as a source and converting to wmv

Whitey

[bluesk1d]

I'm using H.264 .ts as a source and converting to wmv

Whitey

Which WMA codec are you using? It can default to WMA 9 lossless in the GUI. The 360 doesn't like that. Choose WMA 10 Pro and pick one of the 5.1 bitrate settings.

[whitey1977]

Which WMA codec are you using? It can default to WMA 9 lossless in the GUI. The 360 doesn't like that. Choose WMA 10 Pro and pick one of the 5.1 bitrate settings.

Yes I'm using WMA Pro 10 codec. I have tried different bit rates, different resolutions all with the same result. Using the same settings but with 2 channels always works! The source is 384kps ac3 that I convert to 6 waves and then enode with wme.

Thanks

Whitey

[bluesk1d]

Yes I'm using WMA Pro 10 codec. I have tried different bit rates, different resolutions all with the same result. Using the same settings but with 2 channels always works! The source is 384kps ac3 that I convert to 6 waves and then enode with wme.

Thanks

Whitey

Hmmm... Thats pretty weird. I do the whole 6 waves bit as well. The bit rate shouldnt matter (the max of 768 works just fine on the 360). When you do 2 channels, is your process any different or do you still choose all 6 waves and then let WME downmix it? What do you use to go from DD to 6 waves? I know WME doesnt like 32 bit floating point waves but it will usually give you an error if you try to use one. If you would, could you briefly list your steps and programs used?

[whitey1977]

Hmmm... Thats pretty weird. I do the whole 6 waves bit as well. The bit rate shouldnt matter (the max of 768 works just fine on the 360). When you do 2 channels, is your process any different or do you still choose all 6 waves and then let WME downmix it? What do you use to go from DD to 6 waves? I know WME doesnt like 32 bit floating point waves but it will usually give you an error if you try to use one. If you would, could you briefly list your steps and programs used?

I allow WME to downmix it to 2 channels. BTW the file plays ok with WMP on a PC.Heres how I convert the audio.

1) Demux the .ts using Project X to get a .ac3
2) Convert to 6 waves using Besweet
3) Using WME, convert the 6 waves to wma 5.1
4) mux with the WMV using WM Stream editor

Thanks for the help

Whitey

[Celeritas]

Why would WVC1 movies play better through the MCE interface than they do through the dashboard? I am streaming video over an 802.11a network. I initially thought that my network connection was creating the stuttering of my videos. I tried all the different recommendations in this thread (CBR/VBR, long buffer/short buffer, 2,4,5mbps) and I could not make a file that would always play fine. I like the new dashboard interface because of the more robust "chapter skip". On a lark, I tried the MCE interface again. All of the test files that I created, regardless of size (highest bit rate was 5mbps), played just fine. Is there a different buffering system with the MCE vs the Dashboard? I am very confused. I even put one of the videos on a DVD (2mbps VBR) and saw some stuttering via the Xbox drive. I'm not using any odd parameters. Just those that have been discussed here. Any ideas?


John

[bluesk1d]

My process for AC3 is identical. The only thing I can think of is if it is not using WMA 10. If you open it in media player, right click on the file in the "Now playing" pane and choose properties, does it actually show "WMA 10 Pro 5.1" as the audio codec?

[bluesk1d]

Why would WVC1 movies play better through the MCE interface than they do through the dashboard? I am streaming video over an 802.11a network. I initially thought that my network connection was creating the stuttering of my videos. I tried all the different recommendations in this thread (CBR/VBR, long buffer/short buffer, 2,4,5mbps) and I could not make a file that would always play fine. I like the new dashboard interface because of the more robust "chapter skip". On a lark, I tried the MCE interface again. All of the test files that I created, regardless of size (highest bit rate was 5mbps), played just fine. Is there a different buffering system with the MCE vs the Dashboard? I am very confused. I even put one of the videos on a DVD (2mbps VBR) and saw some stuttering via the Xbox drive. I'm not using any odd parameters. Just those that have been discussed here. Any ideas?


John

I wish I had more info for you but I did recall seeing this exact issue discussed on the official Xbox forum on xbox.com. The thread seemed to suggest it was a result of the latest Dashboard update in May. I am noticing it only during streaming over the wireless adapter (it worked perfectly before with files upwards of 10Mb).

[whitey1977]

My process for AC3 is identical. The only thing I can think of is if it is not using WMA 10. If you open it in media player, right click on the file in the "Now playing" pane and choose properties, does it actually show "WMA 10 Pro 5.1" as the audio codec?

Yes it does

Whitey

[bluesk1d]

Yes it does

Whitey

Then its likely not a problem with the wmv file. The xbox 360 outputs any 5.1 source as dolby digital. Is your 360 configured to output audio as ac3 as well as attached to an ac3 capable receiver via an optical cable? Other than some kind of issue with the receiver setup you have me stumped!

[whitey1977]

Then its likely not a problem with the wmv file. The xbox 360 outputs any 5.1 source as dolby digital. Is your 360 configured to output audio as ac3 as well as attached to an ac3 capable receiver via an optical cable? Other than some kind of issue with the receiver setup you have me stumped!

Yes my set-up works fine with other wmv with 5.1 that I have not encoded from other sources. The reason I posted here was because one of the members of this thread said he had the same problem but didn't say if or how he managed to solve it.

Thanks for your help anyway!

Whitey

[bluesk1d]

Yes my set-up works fine with other wmv with 5.1 that I have not encoded from other sources. The reason I posted here was because one of the members of this thread said he had the same problem but didn't say if or how he managed to solve it.

Thanks for your help anyway!

Whitey

If you find out make sure you let us know. I'm curious now!

[NHRaider]

Yes my set-up works fine with other wmv with 5.1 that I have not encoded from other sources. The reason I posted here was because one of the members of this thread said he had the same problem but didn't say if or how he managed to solve it.

Thanks for your help anyway!

Whitey

Sorry for not replying earlier...I was following this thread along with HD-DVD to WMV since I stream my movies but primarily NOT on the XBOX360. I use a Helios X-5000 for streaming and was having a problem so I wanted to test the XBOX360 to see if it was file related...

Anyway, I did identify my problems...I couldn't stream the WMV files to the xbox360 using Media Center, but could with Video>computer>...

Second and primary issue was that the Helios player would choke on audio bitrates higher than 640kbps. Not sure why since it can play video up to 20Mbps!

Also I found out that a few parameters for wmcmd choked the helios as well...but again, not XBOX360 related.

[whitey1977]

Sorry for not replying earlier...I was following this thread along with HD-DVD to WMV since I stream my movies but primarily NOT on the XBOX360. I use a Helios X-5000 for streaming and was having a problem so I wanted to test the XBOX360 to see if it was file related...

Anyway, I did identify my problems...I couldn't stream the WMV files to the xbox360 using Media Center, but could with Video>computer>...

Second and primary issue was that the Helios player would choke on audio bitrates higher than 640kbps. Not sure why since it can play video up to 20Mbps!

Also I found out that a few parameters for wmcmd choked the helios as well...but again, not XBOX360 related.

Thanks for the reply.

So are you saying the WMV files would not play through the media center extender but would play through the dashboard? I haven't tried that but I have tried burning a WMV file to DVD and playing that and that didn't work either.

Whitey

[Celeritas]

I wish I had more info for you but I did recall seeing this exact issue discussed on the official Xbox forum on xbox.com. The thread seemed to suggest it was a result of the latest Dashboard update in May. I am noticing it only during streaming over the wireless adapter (it worked perfectly before with files upwards of 10Mb).

Knowing that it's not just me makes me feel better. I will just use the MCE interface for now. Perhaps in the future when I move to 802.11n, the extra bandwidth will solve this problem, or the next dashboard update. I can move forward with standardizing the way I create the wmv files now that I know it's not necessarily something I am doing wrong in my transcode. I think I'll go with 4mbps VBR, insane preset, 4 second keyframes, as I am just doing DVD's. If I move on to HD-DVD, I'll have to up the bitrate.

[NHRaider]

Thanks for the reply.

So are you saying the WMV files would not play through the media center extender but would play through the dashboard? I haven't tried that but I have tried burning a WMV file to DVD and playing that and that didn't work either.

Whitey

Yup...that was the problem...IN MCE I'd see the files...when I selected to play any of the movies, I would get the message that it was done and to select next action.

This was the case for even the WMV-HD samples from Microsoft's site.

I the went to the dash and tried via video > Computer and there was no issue.

[whitey1977]

Yup...that was the problem...IN MCE I'd see the files...when I selected to play any of the movies, I would get the message that it was done and to select next action.

This was the case for even the WMV-HD samples from Microsoft's site.

I the went to the dash and tried via video > Computer and there was no issue.

Thanks alot, that solved it! Stange that the MCE extender software is unable to play WMV that the dashboard can. Looks like with MCE it's a max of 720p video with 5.1 sound or 1080p with 2 channel sound.

Whitey

[mattbrown]

I wish some genius would create one program that would convert HD-DVDs to WMV. I give up on all these 20 step processes that don't work because I leave out a crucial detail that I don't know is crucial. Really, I would pay good money for such a program.

[morphx2]

Bump to the top.


So I am trying to convert 12 Monkeys HD-DVD to WMV. The audio is playing super early, maybe 1-2 seconds. I am not really sure of how early it goes. Is there a way to determine this without encoding over and over again? How would I change it?

It is really annoying :-\

On a side note, I can not open my audio file in virtualdub, keeps saying there is a problem with it in the line. Happens with all the movies I tried so far

Here is what I have for it:

video = import("c:\hd dvd\12monkeyvideo.avs")
audio = import("c:\hd dvd\audio.avi")
AudioDub(Video,Audio)




To make my audio, I do this

eac3to.exe "C:\Path to\Audio_Source.ddp" "C:\Path to\output.wav"
tranzcode.exe "C:\Path to\output.wav"
wavavimux -o audio.avi -iwav 6 output-FL.wav output-FR.wav output-C.wav output-LFE.wav output-SL.wav output-SR.wav -mask 63


My videoscript is this

DirectshowSource("c:\hd dvd\12monkeyvideo1.grf", audio=false, seek=true, fps=23.976, framecount=139800)+directshowsource("c:\hd dvd\12monkeyvideo2.grf", audio=false, seek=true, fps=23.976, framecount=46734)

my video graphs are

halli splitter connected to the windows DMO or something like that

Any ideas? :-\

[bluesk1d]

Bump to the top.


So I am trying to convert 12 Monkeys HD-DVD to WMV. The audio is playing super early, maybe 1-2 seconds. I am not really sure of how early it goes. Is there a way to determine this without encoding over and over again? How would I change it?

It is really annoying :-\

On a side note, I can not open my audio file in virtualdub, keeps saying there is a problem with it in the line. Happens with all the movies I tried so far

Here is what I have for it:

video = import("c:\hd dvd\12monkeyvideo.avs")
audio = import("c:\hd dvd\audio.avi")
AudioDub(Video,Audio)




To make my audio, I do this

eac3to.exe "C:\Path to\Audio_Source.ddp" "C:\Path to\output.wav"
tranzcode.exe "C:\Path to\output.wav"
wavavimux -o audio.avi -iwav 6 output-FL.wav output-FR.wav output-C.wav output-LFE.wav output-SL.wav output-SR.wav -mask 63


My videoscript is this

DirectshowSource("c:\hd dvd\12monkeyvideo1.grf", audio=false, seek=true, fps=23.976, framecount=139800)+directshowsource("c:\hd dvd\12monkeyvideo2.grf", audio=false, seek=true, fps=23.976, framecount=46734)

my video graphs are

halli splitter connected to the windows DMO or something like that

Any ideas? :-\

You need to view the evo properties in EVOdemux to determine what the audio delay is in milliseconds. After that, you can either open the giant wav file in something that can handle raw wavs like Adobe Audition or use tranzcode to generate your 6 wavs and then open each in something like audacity to add silence to the beginning (the duration of silence matches that of your delay value obtained from EVOdemux.

[morphx2]

What is the method for seeing the audio delay in evodemux?

[bluesk1d]

What is the method for seeing the audio delay in evodemux?

You just drag and drop the EVO into the EVOdemux window. All the details show up in the details pane. Youll see the delay (if there is any) displayed as "First PTS" or something like that under the audio stream.

[whiskey]

Here is a sample from one of my WVC1 720p encodes, looks very nice and plays perfect on Xbox360 via stream or Gamedrive
Its from Superman.Returns HDDVD VC1 :
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WL2GNL38

I've downloaded your sample via pc it plays great but when I've recorded it to blank dvd-rw and played on 360 it stopped after like 2-3 seconds giving me "unplayable content" error with status code :confused:

EDIT :
Although sample works fine steamed via Tversity, maybe it's a 360 fault since drive in that unit is very picky when it comes to media

[bluesk1d]

EDIT :
Although sample works fine steamed via Tversity, maybe it's a 360 fault since drive in that unit is very picky when it comes to media

I hear that. ACrowley and I both do all our encodes for playing back on the 360 and I do notice it is very picky with media. It may have just been a bad burn because I've never had it choke once it is able to mount the disc. I differ from him only in the sense that I switched to 2-pass VBR when necessary in order to keep all my content at 1080P while ensuring my backups are indistinguishable from the originals.

[morphx2]

So +4471ms is that it comes out too fast? Each evo is different delay. I read somewhere you have to subtract that delay from something else(the video pts?)..but not quite sure.

Is the method to do each evo seperately, fix the audio for each evo, then combine the 2 audio files together and combine the 2 evo's together, then do 1 big merge of video/audio?

The second evo has a +47721808ms for the audio. What do I do with that giant thing?

You just drag and drop the EVO into the EVOdemux window. All the details show up in the details pane. Youll see the delay (if there is any) displayed as "First PTS" or something like that under the audio stream.

[bluesk1d]

So +4471ms is that it comes out too fast? Each evo is different delay. I read somewhere you have to subtract that delay from something else(the video pts?)..but not quite sure.

Is the method to do each evo seperately, fix the audio for each evo, then combine the 2 audio files together and combine the 2 evo's together, then do 1 big merge of video/audio?

The second evo has a +47721808ms for the audio. What do I do with that giant thing?

So the delay in the first evo is 4.471 seconds. Im sure you already know this but you want to use Dolby Digital+ Stream 0. Yes, if the video also has a delay, then you would subtract that from this value (the only ones Ive ever seen that have a vid delay are HD DVDs with H.264 streams). You don't care about the delay value in the 2nd evo. When you use evodemux to extract the audio stream just make sure the "continue with 2nd evo" option is checked. This extracts the audio from both evos and combines them into one complete audio stream file which you then use eac3to to convert to wav.

[morphx2]

So disregard the 2nd evo audio delay? okie dokie. Should I cut each wav seperately (dividing it into 6 wav's for 5.1 sound), or just cut the 1 merged one?

I should rebuild the video together as well, not separetly?

[bluesk1d]

So disregard the 2nd evo audio delay? okie dokie. Should I cut each wav seperately (dividing it into 6 wav's for 5.1 sound), or just cut the 1 merged one?

I should rebuild the video together as well, not separetly?

You can either add 4.471 seconds of silence to the front of the giant wave produced by eac3to (with an editor capable of handling raw audio like Adobe Audition) or to each of the 6 wavs after you use tranzcode. It's up to you.

[jaihenwood]

I wish some genius would create one program that would convert HD-DVDs to WMV. I give up on all these 20 step processes that don't work because I leave out a crucial detail that I don't know is crucial. Really, I would pay good money for such a program.

I agree 100% i've read this forum for 6~ hours over the last few months and i still don't see a simple guide for how to convert HD-DVDs to WMV

is it really this hard to do?