Fellowship EE DVD2One seamless 9216mb [Archive]

LordTrace

27th March 2007, 03:35

blutach

27th March 2007, 04:04

There is a massive thread at Digital Digest on this

http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?t=77030

Hope it helps.

Regards

LordTrace

27th March 2007, 04:11

Thanks ill check it out :P

setarip_old

27th March 2007, 04:45

@LordTrace

The following link specifically addresses the identical situation that confronted another member here, regarding "Ben Hur" - and the eventual solution that was applied:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=881363#post881363

Please read the entire thread...

LordTrace

27th March 2007, 05:49

Thanks setarip_old

..but there is no real solution there (that i can see) :( .. I guess ill have to fully cut out the credits (instead of just the fan club stuff). Which sucks even though i don't watch them the music in them ends the movie nicely .. Doubt it will work for TT or RotK though. Both will still prolly be just over DVD2Ones retarded file size limit.

None of the more in depth options worked for me since there are some blank frames between the discs that need to be removed (that cause the sync issues) and i have NFI how to get them out heh

EDIT: DOH .. even with movie only / 1x AC3 / full credits gone.. its still over 9gb... *crys*
EDIT2: *sigh* TMPGEnc DVD Author is supposed to be able to do it to but guess what its file size limit is!! :'(

setarip_old

27th March 2007, 23:09

The filesize limit will ALWAYS be the maximum that can be burned onto a D/L disc...

Have you eliminated any of the alternate audiostreams?

You might consider a bit of compression...

jwo62

28th March 2007, 01:42

I did join and compress this title(to a 4.7gb. disc) with dvd2one.

I only kept one audio track and I used non seamless mode.

the video quality was poor ,but watchable.

if you use a dual layer disc,it shouldnt be that bad.

LordTrace

28th March 2007, 04:31

Compression isn't an option since i'm trying to merge them seamlessly to then encode to XviD :(

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=123990

setarip_old

28th March 2007, 04:47

So how/why would a small amount of compression in advance of comprising to XviD be a problem?

LordTrace

28th March 2007, 04:59

Why would anyone compress a DVD %17 (Or any percent for that matter) before compressing it with XviD? I'm shocked you would even ask such a question.

setarip_old

28th March 2007, 06:37

Don't be shocked before you've tried it - whether with DVD2One (In variable compression mode), DVD Rebuilder, DVD Shrink (with AEC), etc. ...
I'm trying to join both Fellowship of the Ring EE discs to one (oversized/uncompressed) disci'm trying to merge them seamlessly to then encode to XviD
**EDIT** By the way, now that you're first mentioning that you want to create an XviD - and NOT a D/L DVD, why don't you simply make two XviDs and then join them?

LordTrace

28th March 2007, 09:05

Don't be shocked before you've tried it - whether with DVD2One (In variable compression mode), DVD Rebuilder, DVD Shrink (with AEC), etc. ...

I have :P

**EDIT** By the way, now that you're first mentioning that you want to create an XviD - and NOT a D/L DVD, why don't you simply make two XviDs and then join them? [/Color]

Again .. I have. Results in the same sync problems after joining .. plus i would like to encode the entire thing with the same quality/settings .. if you do it that way its like doing 2 diff movies and joining them. Also i was never aiming for a dual layer rip.

jeffy

28th March 2007, 17:12

Why don't you ask the authors about the size limitation?
http://www.dvd2one.com/mail.php

LordTrace

28th March 2007, 17:18

Good point heh .. somehow i doubt they would change their code for me though :'(

Anyways i gave up and just did a %75 single pass on each disc (which is how i normally do XviDs) with AutoGK. Would have been nice to have one file but no big deal. :P

setarip_old

28th March 2007, 19:44

Also i was never aiming for a dual layer rip.Then why did you post the following in this DVD-backup sub-forum?I'm trying to join both Fellowship of the Ring EE discs to one (oversized/uncompressed) disc.Very misleading...

LordTrace

29th March 2007, 03:04

You seem you have misread everything i have typed here from the beginning.

1. I posted in One click DVD backup solutions because i was having a problem with a >>One click DVD backup solution tool<<. If there was a simple answer or another similar tool without the 9GB limit then i would have said thanks, done it and went happily on my way to the XviD step...

2. I don't see how thats misleading? It says exactly what i was attempting to do with the tool. Join both discs with DVD2One >>uncompressed<< and >>oversized<< .. hence never a DVD9

Anyway thanks for attempting to help me :P

On to TT and RotK ...

setarip_old

29th March 2007, 03:15

Just to clarify (and this will be my last posting here):You seems you have misread everything i have typed here from the beginning.As did, apparently 'blutach" and "jwo62"...

BTW - You might want to read the first two lines of the "Overview" by "Mr. Bass" at the top of this page

LordTrace

29th March 2007, 03:42

blutach was on the money .. but yes jwo62 (and yourself) apparently did.. :D

jwo62

30th March 2007, 18:27

I'm trying to join both Fellowship of the Ring EE discs to one (oversized/uncompressed) disc. So far the only way i have been able to do this without losing sync in the second half is with DVD2Ones join feature.... but it fails every time (in both creating files and iso) at 9216mb.

if you dont want it compressed at all,simply set the destination size correctly.:cool:

but you may still need to use non seamless mode,which plays seamlessly also.

blutach was on the money .. but yes jwo62 (and yourself) apparently did.. :D

MY point was simply to let you know that dvd2one can and has joined those titles!

LordTrace

30th March 2007, 18:32

Yea i knew what you where saying hehe :D .. I also know it can join them fine since after it failed i looked at the output .. But even if you set a file size of 10GB 15GB 100GB (anything) it will fail at 9GB :(

setarip_old

30th March 2007, 19:23

As I said before (and pointed you to another thread that clearly states the limitations), the filesize limit (for both DVD2One and TMPGEnc DVD Author) will ALWAYS be the maximum that can be burned onto a D/L disc...

You might want to try using DVD Shrink in "Re-author" mode, set to "No Compression"

LordTrace

30th March 2007, 19:44

Yea .. heard you the first time man .. I was just responding to post 19.

What would be the point in using DVD Shrink with or without compression? I would still end up with 2 different tittle sets in one "disk" .... so .... I would end up ripping them out and having basically the same vobs i started with.

I'm trying to JOIN it seamlessly into ONE. I just don't get why this is so hard for everyone to understand. DVD2One is the only easy way i can find to do this so i posted here to ask why it stops at 9gb and if there was a way around it.....

-Question was answered.
-Apparently there are no others that can.
-I tryed doing it the hard way and failed.

End of story.. no?

I don't really feel like arguing about who said what and all that BS anymore .. I really appreciate everyones help so far but if you don't have a solution whats the point in posting anymore?

Bigmango

30th March 2007, 20:09

Hi,

I did this perfectly and directly to xvid with avidemux (avidemux.org).

Just select the main movie ifo,
then append the second disk main movie ifo (menu file add video),
then you can cut any parts you don't want (but this is not needed)
then set your xvid encoding properties,
and you're done :)

Edit: avidemux can also save the appended mpg file without reencoding ;)

LordTrace

30th March 2007, 20:32

I'll take a look .. thanks

EDIT: .. hmm that didn't work .. I now have a 9.5 GB mpg file thats completely out of sync (not just the second half) hehe. Started with VOBs on HDD (ripped in IFO mode) .. It wouldn't load an IFO so i loaded the first VOB from disc 1, It indexed and appended the rest, did the same for disc to and saved it as an MPEG PS A+V with copy set for both audio and video. This right?

EDIT2: Kinda weird .. the first disc is 1h 45m and when i load it on its own it comes up in Avidemux as 1h 24m .. :\

Surf

30th March 2007, 21:40

LordTrace

30th March 2007, 21:46

It seems quite obvious that one half of the movie has a delay in the audio, no wonder it's losing sync...

Here's a shot in the dark:
Why not just go ahead and xvid both the segments and then try joining it with VIRTUALDUB...si?

Read the thread .. I know this and have tryed your suggestion. :P

On another note .. every single thing i load into Avidemux shows up as less time then it really is ... how annoying lol

setarip_old

31st March 2007, 00:11

The "Join" function of DVD95Copy (not freeware) can be set to 9999Mb...

jwo62

31st March 2007, 04:22

The "Join" function of DVD95Copy (not freeware) can be set to 9999Mb...

I tried this title with dvd95copys join mode,when digi was first testing the feature, and it failed.

As I recall,there is a dummy cell ,at the end of disc 1, that I had to de select in dvd2one before it would join,( I always thought the ability to deselect individual cells was a handy feature for a one click.)

setarip_old

31st March 2007, 05:23

@jwo62

And after deselecting that cell, did it then work with DVD95Copy (Not talking about DVD2One)?

LordTrace

31st March 2007, 16:51

OK so i figured out how to do it with AVISynth ... http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=123990

Still wish DVD2One could go over 9 gigs .. takes all the guess work out and is much easier. The reason i asked in the first place is because a member here said he did one at 12 gigs back in 2005... http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=737139#post737139

I don't have DVD95Copy to try :'(

setarip_old

31st March 2007, 20:19

That 2005 posting (which doesn't specifically state that the poster DID set DVD2One to 12Gb) appears to be erroneous for, as far as I can see, the maximum you can set DVD2One to is 9999Mbs, but it will halt at 9,216Mbs, regardless...

LordTrace

31st March 2007, 20:27

Yup .. that seems to be the case. That post is just what made me try in the first place.

What i think prolly happened is he may have set the file size larger then 9216 but his projects never got that big (Fellowship is only just over the limit) so he never encountered the problem.

Anyways looks like i figured it out .. Still like to know of any easy ways to do it if anyone happens across this thread :P

jwo62

1st April 2007, 04:05

@jwo62

And after deselecting that cell, did it then work with DVD95Copy (Not talking about DVD2One)?

setarip,

not sure what you mean.

we dont have the option to de select cells in dvd95copy,only in dvd2one in movie only or join mode.

but no,I never did get dvd95 to join this title ...correctly,or several other titles I tried to join with dvd95copy. And as far as I know,dvd95s join mode has not been improved since.
most of the joins that failed with dvd95,failed because of navigation issues. I was able to make them work by creating new ifos with ifoedit.

did I answer your question?

Jim

Yup .... Still like to know of any easy ways to do it if anyone happens across this thread :P

LordTrace

You could try asking erwin if he can modify dvd2one to accomodate the larger file size.
If its not too difficult,he may well do it.
people like erwin (dvd2one) and Digi(dvd95copy) are a lot more willing to work with individual users with personal needs than some of the larger companies that offer retail transcoding software.

it cant hurt to ask.

setarip_old

1st April 2007, 06:42

@jwo62

I thought I understood you to say that you first modified a file by eliminating (deslecting) a cell in DVD2One and THEN used DVD95Copy to join the modified set of DVD files with the second set of DVD files...

jwo62

1st April 2007, 19:03

I see,

no,I was testing d95c's join mode,I wanted to see if it worked without file modification.

G_M_C

17th April 2007, 09:45

If your final goal is an XviD with the complete movie, than you dont have to join the DVD's to ona DVD at all ! You know that I hope ?

You just decrypt both DVD's to you HD, and start encoding to Xvid from them, without having to join them at all. Just use DGIndex on both sources to make 2 D2V's, and make an AviSynth script opening both sources in the correct order. Open that AVS in VirtualDub, and encode away. Mux in the audio later. It's as simple as that ...

Or you create 2 Xvid's with audio (1 of every DVD), and join those XviD's into one big one with Virtualdub(mod). Might even give better sync-results. But all in all; Joining the 2 DVD's to 1 DVD is completely unneeded !

setarip_old

17th April 2007, 10:12

@G_M_C

Your suggestions have previously been made and responded to earlier in this thread...

G_M_C

17th April 2007, 11:12

@G_M_C

Your suggestions have previously been made and responded to earlier in this thread...

That might be, but i never read something about it anymore. It's probably THE WAY he tried making the AVI's that's the problem, for instance the use of tools to make the AVI's opposed to writing the AVS himself.

Again, as i said; It is absolutely not needed to join the two DVD's prior to encoding to AVI. If we want to help him get to his ulimate goal, we might be better of discussing the AVS/Xvid-encoding process, rather than the joining process; At that point we can even try to help him synching the audio (if needed).

Surf

17th April 2007, 15:00

I am all ears to how:
"........help him synching the audio......."

Lord Trace's ultimate goal is one avi(?) file compressed by XVID.

Bigmango

17th April 2007, 15:16

I am all ears to how:
"........help him synching the audio......."

Lord Trace's ultimate goal is one avi(?) file compressed by XVID.

As GMC said above, if there are syncing problems when joining 2 dvds then just encode each dvd part separately and then join the 2 avis...

Surf

17th April 2007, 18:36

This post is cursed by poor reading skills...myself infected.

LordTrace

17th April 2007, 19:01

Bigmango

17th April 2007, 19:51

This post is cursed by poor reading skills...myself infected.

Yes as you did not say that the method posted just above was not working for you it was a poor post of yours, indeed.

Bigmango

17th April 2007, 19:53

Yes it is... I appreciate the attempts though. I solved the problem long ago if anyone cares to read post #30 :)

Edit: Just thought i would say it again .. Joining the .avi files results in the same loss of sync as just joining them with no trim before encoding

This does not mean that GMC's method does not work.

It just means that you are working with a bad source. The audio is obviously not the same length as the video, so you needed to cut it.

You could also have changed the audio delay for them to match, without trimming.

LordTrace

17th April 2007, 19:57

Bigmango

17th April 2007, 20:19

I can't think of a better source then the retail DVD and either way you choose to do it the same amount of work is required. Doing it before seems better to me since the movie is encoded as one long film instead of two different movies. *shrugs*

Retail DVD does not mean there are no errors in the source. The fact is that the audio is too short compared to the video, so it needs to be corrected.

What you are saying (encoding at once) was posted previously : for example with avidemux you load the 2 parts and adjust the audio delay, this setting is on the main page next to the audio settings, then you encode it at once. This is the best as you don't cut any frames out, so you keep the original video.

The other way with avidemux is to load both parts, then check the parts are good and if needed cut out the frames that don't match the audio, then encode. This is what you did with avisynth, but imho the avidemux interface is visual and more user friendly.

LordTrace

17th April 2007, 20:27

Bigmango

17th April 2007, 20:59

I did try avidemux for fun .. it failed at everything lol.

After i tryed to use it to join the film (at which it failed miserably) I just tryed using disc1 as source (with no intent on joining it to anything) the output was WAY out of sync and the movie was minutes less then it was supposed to be lol .. duno whats up with that program :P

I've been using avidemux for a long time, and joined dozens of avi and dvd movies with it. It has always worked beautifully.

It has all the advantages of virtualdub, but it supports almost all the codecs.

It seems you have used an old outdated version or there is something wrong with your setup. Have you posted on the avidemux.org forum with a bug report ? The users and developers reply very quickly and are very helpful.

LordTrace

17th April 2007, 21:08

Meh.. I used the newest version available. It was the first and last time using it so no need to post :P

G_M_C

17th April 2007, 21:49

The retail DVD's you say ? Are those the PAL (european) versions ?

I've got the European EE's here, so i could give it a whirl just to see what is/was up. But then i need as much info on what you did as possible.

But since you allready got what you wanted, it is all academic I guess ;)

Seems i kicked a topic without need/paying attention, sorry.