CoreCodec / CoreAVC ranting (un)official thread

[Disabled]

:rolleyes:
its pretty much the same as buying a car and expecting the same keys to work in a different brand
Actually, foxyshadis, Shinigami-Sama's analogy is spot on.

Bwahaha you compare CoreAVC to a car? *lol* If you want a car comparison, here is mine:
I bought a CD radio with (***) MP3 support (*,**) and they tell me after a firmware upgrade it is locked to the car, and I can't change it back to the old one and use it in my new car.


(*) to be added at a later date via free firmware upgrade
(**) MP3 just one feature missing, add another two and you have what core does.
(***) Features in each CD radio Edition is subject to change


Whatever, please tell us Betaboy, what we are and will be allowed to do with our licence excactly. And if I should start using the hassle free version?

[ChronoCross]

I paid $$$ just like the rest of these people.

[Disabled]

Anyway, do you guys/gals remember the old terms of how the reset activiation system was supposed to work? I thought it was supposed to cover a lot more circumstances than it does now?
All I remember is them saying it would be so they could provide free upgrades.
Actually they didn't say very much at all - well sure why should they, they would have had many less customers if they would have said how CoreAVC will evolve.
And they did not respond to questions asking about what is allowed and such either knowing the mob would be pissed.

[foxyshadis]

Actually, foxyshadis, Shinigami-Sama's analogy is spot on. The activation for CoreAVC is like a key to unlock the software, much like a license key. If you buy a license for Windows and want to install it on 2 computers, you need 2 licenses as that's how the software will play nice. Same for Adobe's Photoshop.

Taken at face value, his analogy would mean that if you tried to use the product key on another product (car), it wouldn't work. Would you expect CoreAVC's key to activate PowerDVD for you? No, of course not. But other software manages to reuse codes just fine, software isn't a car. I'm kind of tired of how many bad analogies get trotted out whenever DRM comes up, because it avoids real legal differences (when the analogies even make sense).

Remember, DRM rant posts will end up moved into the ranting thread anyway.

[Foreigner999]

Hmm, I just expected (wrongly as a consumer) that investing in CoreAVC would have a better longevity than what the reality is. I thought my *one user license* was mine. That while it was tied to _One Operating System License_ on one Partition and obviously one computer that it wouldn't be Permanently bound to my XP license. I thought the post (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=914718&postcount=101) meant that I would be allowed use of that single license to be moved to another operating system or pc if i no longer owned it the original, etc. I realistically didn't expect to do this anytime soon but now that doesn't seem to be an option later on.

This means that I can't unbind my *CoreAVC license* from my XP license to _replace_ it with another operating system. For example windows 98 or Vista Ultimate vs Vista Buisness in two years. If I had known I would be so shut in by one product I am absolutely sure I would have avoided it in the first place. Makes me wonder how is anyone sane supposed to buy a batch of CoreCodec products if the shut in is so great that to leave behind an operating system is to sound the death knell of a load of cash.

I dont like the activation system, granted. I can live with using one license to one OS, but making it non-transferable? I dont know what sane persion would throw cash away like that. This is a bad analogy but it's like buying a ticket to a fair than buying a license to any right to use that technology.

P.S. if you sell your PC am I wrong in thinking that you should transfer the license to the new owner? Im talking about PC's that come with the OEM version of XP.

[Hans Ohlo]

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i am completely with you. this is the worst scam i have ever known. people bash microsoft, but corecodec is more extreme in every aspect in ripping people off.

i can only tell the people with legal licenses, if they have trouble transfering their legal license to use coreavc versions available on the net which got freed of the avtication scam.

i do not support piracy, i own a license. but i cannot believe what corecodec is trying to pull with this 'pay to get it working on another os' thing... shame on them!

[Inventive Software]

But other software manages to reuse codes just fine, software isn't a car.
Software reuses codes because it's the same code for the same software, and is like a pre-recognised code much in the same vain as license keys before activation got introduced a few years ago. The software key / car key analogy I stand by, because no 2 car keys will ever be the same, unless you get another "backup" cut. You cannot expect one key to fit a different model of car, or even another car of the same model range. This, so I'm led to believe, is much how AACS or HDCP (one of those) works, by "blacklisting" a key or set of keys so that it's unusable.

[Foreigner999]

i am completely with you. this is the worst scam i have ever known. people bash microsoft, but corecodec is more extreme in every aspect in ripping people off.

i can only tell the people with legal licenses, if they have trouble transfering their legal license to use coreavc versions available on the net which got freed of the avtication scam.

i do not support piracy, i own a license. but i cannot believe what corecodec is trying to pull with this 'pay to get it working on another os' thing... shame on them!

It's only a scam if they willfully withheld info, which I wouldn't know if they did. But honestly, I doubt there was a conspiracy to do so. Why they haven't spelled out exactly what a customer should expect if they buy their product is a better question.

Through what process exactly did they go through when deciding what to put up on their bullet point presentation at coreavc.com? This I would love to know, because I have never seen a company change postures so rapidly from one month to the next. I could be wrong. Then again, I dont believe many people seem to be well informed (including me) about where the company is headed when it comes to thier policy and thier future plans as to their, as of yet only released product.

Before someone jumps at the chance to say "it was offered and known beforehand" this is simply not seemingly true; because if it were true, there wouldn't be a long thread about rants as to how people didn't know and outrage a few months ago as to where this product was going. If people knew they were boarding the titanic we would have all have kept our money and waited or spent it on a different solution that gave us a better feeling of money well spent.

I'll hopefully change my mind when the chance to enjoy what a codec should deliver without so many restrictions. Lets make an unofficial joke changelog:

CC:
===v2===
Corecodec relaunches coreavc.com v2
+Bugfix: Fixed website and now has 30% uptime
+Changed: Added product support (2 months wait time)
+Changed: Added registered Email authentication support

===v1===
Corecodec launches coreavc.com v1
+Changed: Product support will be added in 06'*


CoreAVC:
====V1.2====
+Bugfix: Added licenterion
-Bugfix: Freedom
+Changed: Enhanced Support for Restricted Computing
+Bugfix: Removed SMP typo 4 cores is now 2 (4 Core support wasn't present to begin with)
+Bugfix: Network DNS Issues
+Bugfix: Browser support
?Feature: GPU support *(TBA)

====V1.1.0.5====
+Bugfix: Bugfix update

[Gnerma]

Amusing changelog Foreigner. It really is an unfortunate situation because I feel CoreCodec could be a great company to deal with if they fixed their balance issues. By this I mean a few trained PR employees dealing with the interface between the company and their customers. Also better information management and documentation would go a long way.

+Bugfix: Removed SMP typo 4 cores is now 2 (4 Core support wasn't present to begin with)

The interesting thing about this is the codec was happily utilizing 4 CPU cores at one time. See this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=802095#post802095) post by MuTeK around the release of v1.0 for a good example.

[GmorG McRoth]

The software key / car key analogy I stand by, because no 2 car keys will ever be the same, unless you get another "backup" cut. You cannot expect one key to fit a different model of car, or even another car of the same model range.

hmm I don't own a car but I always thought your key works when you change the road, or use different gasoline. Moving from operating system to another OS does not change the code of software (if it's already ready for this different OS). So car analogy would be that your car asks you for new key every time you change street. Though I may be wrong.

[Inventive Software]

No, you misunderstand me. The car analogy I refer to is the key to unlock the door to get into the car and the same key to turn the engine on. This is much how activation works with software, as (XP as an example) you have a license key to unlock the door to the software, and you acquire an activation key when you activate the software, like turning on the engine and driving. Where you take that car or what street you choose to put on it is down to you and you only, same as we can't tell you what software to put on your XP install. ;)

[GmorG McRoth]

I think it makes sense, if put that way.

[goofee]

It seems, that You were right. I had two answers first, a nonfunctional attached version and since then no further support :mad: Again no answers to my emails to Betaboy...

Got one PM from betaboy that everything was fixed and that they would send me an email with info. No email received after 1 week so i sent yet a PM, no answer for 1 week. So i guess they're just making up excuses as usual just to shut me up while the money comes in.

Or i'll bet betaboy posts some bogus promise soon after this post that they found out that it was best for them that i'll wait for the next version coming REAL soon. Then absolutely everything will be allright!

I feel so violated and betrayed.

[Foreigner999]

Amusing changelog Foreigner. It really is an unfortunate situation because I feel CoreCodec could be a great company to deal with if they fixed their balance issues. By this I mean a few trained PR employees dealing with the interface between the company and their customers. Also better information management and documentation would go a long way.



The interesting thing about this is the codec was happily utilizing 4 CPU cores at one time. See this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=802095#post802095) post by MuTeK around the release of v1.0 for a good example.

Totally feel the same way. Hmm, I checked that link out. Isn't that the non-directshow version running? Better question...I thought the direct show version was based off the plugin for TCPMP. If that is so, then why exactly doesn't the directshow version support 4 cores (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=802223#post802223)?

Gnerma, I thought betaboy was a professional PR person? Unfortunately their PR department also runs Customer Service (minus the CSR software).:devil:

[goofee]

As it is now the Coreavc is a farse. First chance i get at a superior decoder i'm gonna jump ship, whatever the cost. I don't have time to hunt betaboy and his gang for love.

The clock is ticking.... :sly:

[Ginsonic]

Although I still cannot believe it, I finally got my update and an account entry. :D

[BlackSun]

Although I still cannot believe it, I finally got my update and an account entry. :D

I took care of the people I knew about this morning and BetaBoy certainly did the same as we finally can fix them. If there are still some people that did not get the update, or the download link after the paypal process, please submit a ticket on http://support.corecodec.com
Please provide a valid email, do not use your Hotmail account. Attach (inline) your Paypal receipt.

Then I will fix it asap. Do not PM me please.:D

[BetaBoy]

Then I will fix it asap. Do not PM me please.:D

Anyone can ping me still if they have an issue... I welcome it.

As far as many of the others in this thread.... with the addition of our new support center @ http://support.corecodec.com we hope to eliminate many of the issues people had felt were not said even though they were but did not want to read through 12x amount of pages to extract that info.

This way its out there, you can comment on it, add to it, complain about it and make it change. In the end we are evolving because of your comments... and I thank those ppl for their feedback and apologize for the issues we have had... its best to beat this down now then later with with over 20+ new closed source and open source projects coming around the corner (BetaPlayer, CoreMAKE, CoreTunes, CoreCaster, CoreAVC Encoder, TCME Encoder, etc.).

[Foreigner999]

Whats TCME Encoder?:D

[DarkNite]

Ticket submitted. I would love for this issue to be resolved finally. One more question...

Attach (inline) your Paypal receipt.

Is submitting the PayPal reciept number good enough?

[BlackSun]

Ticket submitted. I would love for this issue to be resolved finally. One more question...



Is submitting the PayPal reciept number good enough?

Yeah sure, I will verify it anyway :)

[BetaBoy]

Ticket submitted. I would love for this issue to be resolved finally. One more question...



Is submitting the PayPal reciept number good enough?

Yes...

[BetaBoy]

Whats TCME Encoder?:D

Its our encoding engine... we call it several names TCME (The Core Media Encoder) and CoreProducer is another name we have used. Smaller versions of the encoder will be in our other applications for transcoding (like CoreTunes)... In the end however we will likely opt for another name when they are released to the public.

[DarkNite]

In the end however we will likely opt for another name when they are released to the public.

Doh! I really liked the name CoreProducer.

Anyways, I have recieved a download link and my trouble ticket is closed now. Thanks for straightening that out.

/me returns to waiting for desktop version of CorePlayer

[popper]

Anyone can ping me still if they have an issue... I welcome it.

As far as many of the others in this thread.... with the addition of our new support center @ http://support.corecodec.com we hope to eliminate many of the issues people had felt were not said even though they were but did not want to read through 12x amount of pages to extract that info.

This way its out there, you can comment on it, add to it, complain about it and make it change. In the end we are evolving because of your comments... and I thank those ppl for their feedback and apologize for the issues we have had... its best to beat this down now then later with with over 20+ new closed source and open source projects coming around the corner (BetaPlayer, CoreMAKE, CoreTunes, CoreCaster, CoreAVC Encoder, TCME Encoder, etc.).

ohhh, 'CoreCaster' would that have my longtime idea for multicasting tunnels over ipv4/ipv6 for web use video etc ?,
(probably not the DHT/P2P integrated though id imagine, as people still dont seem ready for that.... even now).

open or payware btw?.

i get the impression that that might be the base for the venice project if they ever DO put multicasting in there.

btw , i hope you intend to include as standard 25fps UK PAL PIP(CIF etc)/SD/HD transcodeing and other settings/options in these related products along side the usual US NTSC oddball framerates, DVB-H (2) being the most backed current format thats likely to become mass (world|UK/EU) market in a very short time.


it might be nice for some EASY GUI end user tools for making standard DVB transport streams WITH several video/audio AVC/AAC/or even AC3 inside AKA DVB-T/S/C style (perhaps TSconverter will do it one day?)so we could if we so wished, take a currently standard TS container with a PIP(cif etc) and SD and even a HD encode of our content inside and then simpy multicast stream that one file for our display devices weather it be the PC the laptop or the mobile DVB-H2 device we got for christmas.

then all we need do in get the Hardware kit makers to stop being short sighted to include something like the KiloCORE FPGA in all their products and licence an IP for our AVC needs for inclusion in that , or if a new codec comes along its then easy to re-program the kit for that need, it laughable to think everyones panacea is GPU co-pro assisted decoding when cheap and low power (multicore)FGPA's exist today and could be used for exactly this at a far cheaper rate and yet far more profit for everyone, someone just needs to include it and innovate first!.

i like to refer to the BBC pdf for their content creation etc as its clear they set the standard most informed companys follow, i find it interesting that Discovery (USA) seems to be on the ball and includes all the framesrates , probably already take the PAL 100I/P too.
heres one http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/dq/pdf/tv/HDBookv01_02.pdf

the professional markets can and are taking advantage of the new DVB TS markets so it would be a very good thing if the so called end user could also have easy access to creating/using and streaming their end-user created content to the same standards
heres an idea of were things stand as of middle of last year http://www.newvideobusiness.com/content/view/74/26
very informative as regards bitrates and use of multiple PIP/SD/HD from one input for instance, can we have the same?.

[JohnnyFu]

2CentOT: I havn't said very much in the past weeks, but i'm still reading the coreavc threads on the internet, and in the meantime i'm not longer sure if it was right to support CoreAVC when you had your start. My feeling is that we helped to summon another evil software company... with all respect...(me myself is working in a software company) the whole activiation thing is nothing more than an annoying problem for your real customers who reinstall/change their operating system often. Those who don't want to pay for Software will keep carry on using cracks.
I'm not envy!.... the activation thing is just one step too much....Good luck for the future anyway...