Elecard H.264/MPEG2 Converter 1.2

[woah!]

woah!
I cannot download this file.

try this one :

http://w10.easy-share.com/682061.html


if not i can upload to an ftp or something.

[MuTeK]

well i gave it a spin and it works out about the same speed as x264 if you add the total time of both passes together. x264 is faster on its 1st pass, but slower on the second.

i used the same avs script for both runs of course.

x264 still seemed to give the best results in my eyes, and the encodes i attached are pretty low bitrates so you can see where the differences are:


These streams are pretty odd if you need to compare quality then the settings and testing conditions should be similar.

Then how do you explain that none of these frames comply in these two streams.

Also on «elecard 6meg.mp4» there are black bars of 2 pix above and below. And there is no any bar on «x264 6meg.MP4». The picture on «x264 6meg.MP4» is more stretched vertically. And the most important, settings shold be similar. I don’t understand why you did not use the preset profile «BestQuality High AVC-AAC HE PS», but instead set up Elecard encoder in a way that is obviously not the best.

What we have in H.264:
GOP = 250, Bframes = 3, RDO level2, 6 ref. frames, Weighted Prediction…
What you set in our encoder:
Reduced GOP down to 18 frames, set Bframes = 2, Nu.Ref. frames = 4, did not turn on Weighted Prediction, Use B-frames as reference, Pyramid coding, and, I suspect, turned on FastRD.

Use «BestQuality High AVC-AAC HE PS» profile!

[woah!]

i never "set" anything except the HP profile in elecard? i didnt know how to change the settings. if that profile you say above is the best setup i will give that a go right now thx :)

[woah!]

ok i see the pre-sets now and it looks pretty good :)

heres the compares again using the "BestQuality High AVC-AAC HE PS" 2 pass, and a x264 with the same avs script:

1st pass elecard: 16.82fps
2nd pass: 10.04fps


1st pass x264 : 21.53fps
2ndpass : 7.72fps


both are very good, hard to say which is which if the files werent named really :) well done


http://w10.easy-share.com/682840.html

[IgorC]

1st pass elecard: 16.82fps
2nd pass: 10.04fps


1st pass x264 : 21.53fps
2ndpass : 7.72fps


both are very good, hard to say which is which if the files werent named really :) well done
http://w10.easy-share.com/682840.html
It means Elecard was 10-11% faster however also had 4% higher bitrate. Looks like on these video and sets with the same bitrate and speed Elecard and x264 will have similar performance and quality.

[shon3i]

Why Mainconcept H264 v2 app dosen't support 5.1 AAC when use same encoder like Elecard app, aslo HE-AACv1/v2 encoding, and is there some plugin which enable avs script as input?

[IgorC]

Both MC and Ele support avs as input.

[shon3i]

Both MC and Ele support avs as input.
Yes but MC use DirectShow which isn't good. For example in my situation, when i encode from avs in MC, result video have higher Gamma.

[IgorC]

Yes but MC use DirectShow which isn't good. For example in my situation, when i encode from avs in MC, result video have higher Gamma.
Maybe it's not directshow.
I'm not sure but maybe it's effect of higher chroma quantization.
Just try to set chroma offset 0. It will preserve better the colors.

[shon3i]

Maybe it's not directshow.
I'm not sure but maybe it's effect of higher chroma quantization.
Just try to set chroma offset 0. It will preserve better the colors.
I will give a try, but that problem is only when avs loaded, not for avi, mpeg, dvd and other supported file types.

[Sergey A. Sablin]

I will give a try, but that problem is only when avs loaded, not for avi, mpeg, dvd and other supported file types.

Both applications use DirectShow, with a bit different chains of filters, but mostly same. Could you post avis script here?

[zyz]

Ohhhh, so it is supposed to stop at 50% progress - oh ok that must make sense to somebody. Good luck with your product <shakes the dust off>


The same here.
It completely stops at 15000 when encoding from .vob file directly, so I dumped about 15000 frames to .avi file. With this .avi file as source it popups the demo notification window at 40% (ab. 7000 frames or so) and then jums to 50% and go further.
All the checkboxes and numerical values were set as presented on screenshot above in this thread, except bitrate which I set to 1000.
Ufortunately, the resulting video is crappy comparing to the same one encoded by x.264 (mencoder), with the same main settings (b- and ref. frms number, k. int., bitrate, etc.).
No other Elecard/MC products were previously installed on my PC, as well as any other VFW/DS filters.
What could be wrong there?

[shon3i]

Sure, just usual MeGUI created avs

DGDecode_mpeg2source("D:\WarOfTheWorldsDVD\WarOfTheWorlds.d2v",info=3)
ColorMatrix(hints=true)
#blank deinterlace line
crop( 0, 10, -2, -10)
Trim(0,14999)
Lanczos4Resize(720,384) # Lanczo4 (Sharp)
#denoise


Script is work normaly with Elecard Converter Studio, Nero Recode, MeGUI, Only with Mainconcept haved higher Brightness

Like you see results

Original
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/550/originalan5.png

x264
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8036/x264zt2.png

Mainconcept
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/7199/mainconcepteu2.png

PS. If you don't see differents please incrase brightness on you monitor, Thanks

Edit: Typo

[RBF]

shon3i
Try to disable directshow import module in Mainconcept H264 encoder

[shon3i]

shon3i
Try to disable directshow import module in Mainconcept H264 encoder
Thanks, that works, now picture look good.

[MuTeK]

AVC Encoder settings for best perfomance/quality (ftp://ftp.elecard.net.ru/incoming/AVC_Encoder_Settings_Portrait.pdf)

[IgorC]

Some results of test:
1. Multi-reference Frame and ME Sub-block ME simply can be set fast. These options brings no visible quality improvement at cost of lower speed. +0.03 SSIM and speed lows 1.4 times.

2. Best Quality HP profile :
a) All fast options + 5 ref . SSIM 81.80
b) almost all fast options (fast intra off) + 3 ref. SSIM 81.88

b) was 1% faster than a)

It's mean that Slow Intra search trades better between quality and speed.

Faster Inter is alternative options. It brings only +0.015/20 SSIM at very low speed cost 1-1,5%

3. Best Quality Hp profile. All fasts. Fast intra off. 3 ref SSIM 81.88
For 2 pass encoding With these settings Elecard has the same speed as Xvid (without Qpel. AQ.GMC. Slowest settings. SSIM 78.90)

4. the results for insane settings. 3.6x slowdown comparing to Xvid speed for Elecard. And 4-5x for x264.

Elecard 82.44
x264 rev 602 2pass 82.51
x264 3 pass 82.62

[shon3i]

@IgorC, how you calculate SSIM with elecard.

[IgorC]

@IgorC, how you calculate SSIM with elecard.
SSIM avisynth plugin with lumimask = 2
like here http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=114928

Please, next time communicate to Search button.

[acrespo]

I did some conversions with a target size 168 Mbytes. All files are oversized. The bigger has 175 Mbytes and the lesser 170 Mbytes.

I used a custom profile based on profile "Best Quality High AVC - AAC HE PS" and I change the audio do AAC LC 128 Kbps, the video GOP length to 240 and use two passes to target size 168 Mbytes.

The version I have is 1.0.24 (build 61031).
I am a registered user.

[IgorC]

It's known bug. It's fixed in upcoming version.

[shon3i]

It is, a bug but can be fixed, when select profile, then only enter bitrate or file size, and don't change anything elese. in you type you changed audio to lc aac

[MuTeK]

to acrespo

Converter Studio is being prepared for release where this bug is fixed. You will get an updated version soon.

[acrespo]

There is other strange problem. A memory leak occurs when I do a batch encode of AVS scripts. The virtual memory size used by Converter Studio grow when one job finish and start other and the memory used in the first job is not deallocating. After 3 or 4 jobs the Converter Studio crash.
This is my script:


SetMemoryMax(64)
LoadPlugin("c:\encodes\filtros\tdeint.dll")
LoadPlugin("c:\encodes\filtros\dgdecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("c:\encodes\filtros\tivtc.dll")
LoadPlugin("c:\encodes\filtros\mt_masktools.dll")
LoadPlugin("c:\encodes\filtros\colormatrix.dll")
LoadPlugin("c:\encodes\filtros\removegrain10sse3.dll")
LoadPlugin("c:\encodes\filtros\removedirt10sse2.dll")
LoadPlugin("c:\encodes\filtros\repairsse3.dll")
LoadPlugin("c:\encodes\filtros\sse3tools.dll")
LoadPlugin("c:\encodes\filtros\warpsharp.dll")
LoadPlugin("c:\encodes\filtros\Motion_12Dec05.dll")
LoadPlugin("c:\encodes\filtros\nicaudio.dll")

import("c:\encodes\filtros\RemoveDust.avs") #include qmc() script
import("c:\encodes\filtros\FastLineDarken_1.3.avs")


a=MPEG2Source("c:\encodes\2006-09-07\ranma38.d2v",info=3)
b=NicMPASource("c:\encodes\2006-09-07\ranma38.mpa")
AudioDub(a,b)

AssumeTFF()
deint = Tdeint(mode=2,slow=2)
TFM(mode=6,slow=2,clip2=deint)
TDecimate(mode=1)
colormatrix(hints=true)

Crop(8,8,-8,-8,align=true)
LanczosResize(640,480)

qmc()

FastLineDarken2(thinning=0)
warpsharp()

[vsv]

Need right settings to encode HD-DVD compliant h.264 elementar stream with Elecard Converter. Source is HDV TS stream 1440x1080i50.
It is possible to download short samples 1080i/720p HD-DVD compliant h.264 elementar stream ? Thank you in advance.

[MuTeK]

vsv
See attachment.

[vsv]

Thank you, MuTeK! But how long need to wait this "Attachments Pending Approval" to download ?
Do you have another samples like 720p50 or 960x1080i ?
Any authoring studios used Elecard or Mainconcept encoders now to produce video for HD-DVD?
MuTeK, please upload samples to http://files-upload.com/

1. Upload limit: Unlimited!
2. Max. 300 MB per file via HTTP Splitted archives allowed!
3. Max. 1 Gb per file via FTP Splitted archives allowed!
4. Download limit: Unlimited!
5. Our disk space: filling...
6. Support for resuming downloads
7. Files lifetime up to 6 months after last download

[vsv]

MuTeK, your setting don't work.

Scenarist 4 SCA rejected encoded stream:
"Error : AVC profile or level or their combination are wrong."

[Sergey A. Sablin]

MuTeK, your setting don't work.

Scenarist 4 SCA rejected encoded stream:
"Error : AVC profile or level or their combination are wrong."

you ahve to set up Level directly to 4.0 or 4.1. Probably Auto mode detects lower or higher level than expected.

[shon3i]

@vsv, maybe better to use mainconcept app, because elecard sometimes skip setting you made

[vsv]

Sergey, same problem with Level4.0
Any other profiles?

shon3i, mainconcept and elecard used different filters?
You can make small sample 5sec?

[shon3i]

Sergey, same problem with Level4.0
Any other profiles?

shon3i, mainconcept and elecard used different filters?
You can make small sample 5sec?
If you mean have different encoders, then answer is no, but eliecard use newer version, which support AQ, other is same.

What sample?

[vsv]

short clip avc elementar stream for HD-DVD 1440x1080i or another resolution.

[Sergey A. Sablin]

Sergey, same problem with Level4.0
Any other profiles?

shon3i, mainconcept and elecard used different filters?
You can make small sample 5sec?

I need to check spec for available picture formats etc. Please wait till tomorrow...

[IgorC]

There is final version release.
http://www.elecard.com/products/products-pc/consumer/converter-studio/

[acidsex]

and how do you purchase this thing? I cant find any link or price tag.

[MuTeK]

acidsex
Please contact Elecard Sales Deprtment. (sales@elecard.net.ru)

[acidsex]

acidsex
Please contact Elecard Sales Deprtment. (sales@elecard.net.ru)

Why? Thats about dumb. I just want the price and the option to purchase without having having to send an email etc...

[foxyshadis]

That's how business sales tend to work - if you're not a business, the "contact for a quote" usually translates to "you can't afford it". They want to talk to you so they can offer support contacts, push related products, and offer a lower price (or free installation support or whatever) if you're reluctant enough. Even when I'm in it for my company, I hate it, since it means I have to waste a lot of time talking and waiting when I could rule some companies out right away.

[acidsex]

Thats my point. I dont want to have other products pushed on me. Thats ok, Ill rule them out and stick with MeGUI. Thanks for a better explanation. :) Happy Holidays.

[KoD]

The encoder is probably not meant for consumers like us but for businesses.

The difference is that if we are used to see the price tag when buying something from a shop, it's different when a deal is made between two businesses.

Based on negotiations, a price is agreed as well as all aditional features: support, training, maintenance policy, etc. It's simply a different world. No two deals end up with the same price tag or same set of agreed terms.

[BITS]

hahaha, honestly i've read this whole thread, and for it to end more or less like this... "Thanks for the free testing, now fuc off scum"...hahaha. Screw this company, everything they could say from now on will be irrelevant for us here as it stands.

They used you all as free beta testers. You can hate me for saying it. There was a certain company, and close to the same spelling of XviD that did the same exact thing years ago before releasing a "4.0" version.

This is really sad for me, because this is my first night "going in" and trying to start using h.264. So far i've seen a thread about a "Block" problem with x264 (btw my money is on that one in the end!), and the very next thread i decide to read is a company using the public like a dirty dish towel.

Been about 2 years since i tried learning a new codec, and already i see problems and drama. What's next, voting users off the island...i mean forum. Dare i even read a 3rd thread tonight!!! Sad...yet comedic for me. Seriously, imagine after 2 years out, seeing 2 thread like that back to back...

BTW: DDog, although i never got a chance to, or ever will use this codec, thanks for the input. i'll have to watch out for that media splitter.

[KoD]

I think you don't live in the real world if you are so amazed by this.

[nm]

Been about 2 years since i tried learning a new codec, and already i see problems and drama. What's next, voting users off the island...i mean forum. Dare i even read a 3rd thread tonight!!! Sad...yet comedic for me. Seriously, imagine after 2 years out, seeing 2 thread like that back to back...
Oh, you should definitely take a look at the CoreAVC threads :D

[dragongodz]

The encoder is probably not meant for consumers like us but for businesses.
it is clearly listed under consumer products.

if anyone had bothered to make any effort searching they could have found the standard version is for sale, including price.
https://secure.shareit.com/shareit/checkout.html?productid=224637&language=english

but you have to contact Elecard for the pro version.

hmmm now show me again where its written in stone that a company has to advertise its price online ? they may have other reasons for wanting to handle pro sales that way. speculation here doesnt amount to real information unfortunatly.

and the very next thread i decide to read is a company using the public like a dirty dish towel.
BITS - you have no idea what you are talking about. plenty of people have free beta tested for multiple companies on here. for example Atemes H264, whose product was never going to be for consumers. however Nero use Atemes engine so the benefits of an improved Ateme product should flow through to the Nero consumer product mostly.
also some people beta test more out of interest in the technology rather than to buy a specific brand. again for example i was one of the people that beta tested for Ateme. i have not gone and bought Nero recode, or any other H264 encoder, and currently have no intention to. i still found it interesting and hopefully mine and others testing helped improve things that will benefit others(meaning consumers).

i wouldnt even mind giving Mainconcept and Elecards encoders a good testing aswell for the same reasons except this is a busy time of year for me.

does this mean all companies are nice ? no. far from it. i know another company i did testing for who frankly ended up treating people in the community that helped them rather badly. however Elecard deciding to do sales by needing to contact their sales department does not mean they are doing that.

finally yes i would prefer to see the price advertised on the page aswell but if i was serious about buying a product then i think i could live with actually having to contact them. :)

[IgorC]

hahaha , honestly i've read this whole thread, and for it to end more or less like this... "Thanks for the free testing, now fuc off scum"...hahaha.
You are wrong and lost without any chance.
First of all, they weren't interested in any beta test.
I created this thread with informative intention. Another thing that people began to commit some ideas and indicate to bugs.
Don't victimize to beta testers. They know what they have ;) and they do it without any obligation.

[BITS]

Well that is great you created this thread for that, but that isn't what this thread turned into is it?

Someone in this thread is related to, or employed by this company (and i know it isn't me). Someone benefited from this testing this community put forth, so who was that? Does anyone not know that already though?

"First of all, they weren't interested in any beta test." i thought there was a encoder that encoded only 50% due to being a "trial", and the intentions of releasing that was to trouble shoot bugs (because it had some and they knew it did). Remember though, i'm "lost without any chance".

"Don't victimize to beta testers. They know what they have and they do it without any obligation." i read that, but i'm not taking your advice. You also seem very happy about writing that, some here might not feel that happy, or atleast not enough to put a :-) in the post. if it wasn't for the irony that followed me last night, i wouldn't of been laughing at all. Luckily, i had timing to give me that chance.

This post was a advertisement. You can say it was "informative " to start with, but that isn't how it turned out. You're intentions were fine and well, but sadly the intentions of the product you have brung into conversation, were not for this community here.

IgorC, atleast i know you will defend the product, or else you wouldn't of posted anything remotely like that. They should hire you, or have they already?

All in all, pretty zhitty that the community here won't have a legitimate chance to use their encoder. But if you include commercial alternatives, there is dozens upon dozens more to choose from, which is nice for the consumer.

Anyways, back to RTFM for x264.

[Sharktooth]

The doom9 community have always helped developers of multimedia products, being them commercial or free.
So get a life and get away from your "Fantasy Land".

[dragongodz]

i thought there was a encoder that encoded only 50% due to being a "trial", and the intentions of releasing that was to trouble shoot bugs (because it had some and they knew it did).
a trial version is just that. you would rather ones where they dont put out a trial version but you have to just buy the full version before deciding if you want to buy it or not ? most here would disagree with you.
they did put out beta version previously aswell but guess what, they didnt come here and ask for people to beta test any of these. other companies have and people here tested them. there is a difference.

some here might not feel that happy
care to point out who to back that up ? and i dont mean those who just dont like that the price isnt put on the webpage.

This post was a advertisement.
mods please delete any news of a commercial product being released. especially if someone from the company, such as a dev, replies to people finding bugs etc. clearly BITS knows best and no commerial software should ever be mentioned here. :sly:
[that was sarcasm for those that didnt get it]

All in all, pretty zhitty that the community here won't have a legitimate chance to use their encoder.
hmm so you cant go buy the standard version from the link i found ? so you cant contact their sales to buy the pro version ?
try to get your facts right before posting such things.

[bond]

guys cool down please. everybody knows when he is testing commercial or free software, noone is forced to it