Speed CCESP2-Trial: DVD9-DVD5

[lilhobo]

what speed are people getting with the new trial from cinemacraft???

[jdobbs]

I'm getting exactly the same as I got with SP.

[lilhobo]

I'm getting exactly the same as I got with SP.

which is 4hrs???

[jdobbs]

Where did you get that? I have a lower-end system (Athlon XP 3200 single processor) and it only typically takes 2 hours. On long ones it may go as long as 3 hours... I don't think I've ever seen a standard movie disc go longer than 3. I can usually get an OPV encode out in less than 90 minutes.

The CCE speeds I see range from 2.25x to 2.9x.

[lilhobo]

lol on a p4 3 Ghz 1.5 MB, i am getting 1gb per 25 min

so going from 8Gb to 4 Gb should be 4 hrs ?? ;)

I am only getting around 0.8

EDIT: i am using only standrad settings with 2 -pass

[jdobbs]

That's terrible. Are you running other processes?

Some tips for increasing your encoding speed:

1. Are you running direct from the disc using AnyDVD? That doubles the amount of time it takes on my system. Rip it to disc first.
2. Try disabling your AV software while its running. Some of these packages can REALLY slow down encoding.
3. Make sure your hard drive isn't badly fragmented or within 10% of capacity -- that can slow it down.
4. Get rid of any and all filters. Filters are meant for specific purposes and should only be used when that purpose comes along -- if you're running them on all your encodes you are probably doing more damage than good.
5. Don't use USB attached drives or network drives -- they are much, much slower than an regular ATA/SATA hard drive.
6. Don't run disc or processor intensive software at the same time as your encodes. CCE really needs processor time. The best time to run encodes is while you are sleeping (in batch mode).

On your system you should be getting a CCE speed of 3x or above.

[lilhobo]

lol 6 .5 hrs !!!! and i am using the basic setting that comes with both ccce abd dvdrebuilder. ie convert to YUV2 and audiodub.

anyone got NOD32 running in the background?? or spysweeper??

[candsh]

I usually set up for Movie and Menus only with CCE Basic (2 pass only) Athlon X2 4200+ that I just built and at this point the fastest wi/RB Pro as installed with the installer, has been 64 min (X-Men III) and the absolute slowest has been 89 min. That is the numbers that RB gives at completion, and then, of course the time of the burn with IMG Burn usually, about 8 min. Things happened so fast that at first I thought something was wrong. Also want to point out that everything is running at stock--no overclocking, etc..

[G_M_C]

As jdobbs said: It all depends on the filters you're using, and other processes that run in the background.

On my dual Xeon @ 3.06 it ranges between 2/3 hour for a 4-pass, and > 180 hours for a 4 pass with a extremely tweaked set of AviSynth filters.

So speed of encode, related to your PC, is not really comparable, unless you make shure everybody do exactly the same thing (same movie/same filters/same options etc. etc).

[lilhobo]

well as i said, I used the basic settings from all software involved, no changes at all.

SO what settings do i need to get more speed?

and i dump the discs on HDD

[G_M_C]

[...]I used the basic settings from all software involved, [...]

Well, as we said, it also depends on processes running in the background (i.e. processes that are not nesessarily involved, for instance a virus scanner).

Btw: Audiodub isn't nesessary anymore with newer versions of CCE afaik.

[slappy9001]

I used to run RB w/CCE on my Celeron II 800 MHz PC. Using 3-passes, encodes typically took about 16 hours.

It's a bit faster on my new Duo Core PC. :D

[lilhobo]

How much faster?? i am worried lol i have a 3Ghz !!

the max i have got is 1.30, and thats lower than the 2.5-3 thats being quoted :D

[9mmruger1]

I have a P4 3.7 with 2gb of ram, using CCE Basic, and have averaged about 103 to 109 minutes (not including the burn) output to ISO per DVD. I did my first batch on Tuesday and was well within these times as well.

Now I am very new to Rebuilder Pro, but certainly think that this is not a bad time, er something that I personally can live with for the quality enhancement that it is providing.

What is the difference between the CCE SP2 Trial and CCE Basic. Is it something that I should be concerned with?

Cheers.

[jdobbs]

How much faster?? i am worried lol i have a 3Ghz !!

the max i have got is 1.30, and thats lower than the 2.5-3 thats being quoted :D
Turn off your antivirus and do a test... AV scanning can really slow things down.

[jdobbs]

What is the difference between the CCE SP2 Trial and CCE Basic. Is it something that I should be concerned with? No. You're using CCE Basic.

SP2 is a new release of the professional-level SP package (the $2000 one). I don't think it was meant to improve on SP at all -- it's uniqueness seems limited to its ability to be integrated into other software.

Of course since it has a "2" on the end of it, lots of people will assume its better. ;)

[9mmruger1]

jdobbs, you're awsome. Thanks for the quick reply and quick assistance to noobs at RB pro.

[jdobbs]

Thanks. I try. :)

[lilhobo]

is outputting to ISO quicker than to files???

[Rippraff]

No, as building the IFO is an additional step.

Cu Rippraff

[Easy123]

On my Core2Duo (6400 nonoverclocked) I usually get 3,9 - 4,9 using CCE SP 2.70.. Runs like hell ;)

[lilhobo]

test out the new SP2 for gawd sakes !!!

[Rippraff]

As stated by jdobbs in his first post, there's no speed difference between SP and SP2, what I can confirm too.

Cu Rippraff

[therat]

test out the new SP2 for gawd sakes !!!

SP2 does not work with the Core 2 Duo

[SpazzHH]

SP2 does not work with the Core 2 Duo

Wasn't that fixed in Version 1.00.00.02?

[therat]

Wasn't that fixed in Version 1.00.00.02?

no that was the Core Duo not Core 2 Duo. I have an E6600 and CCE SP2 (all versions) will not install. Hopefully it will be fixed in a future version.

[therat]

A new version of CCE SP2 has been released - v1.0.0.10. It works fine with the new Core 2 Duo cpu.

cheers

[James35]

As stated by jdobbs in his first post, there's no speed difference between SP and SP2, what I can confirm too.

Cu Rippraff

For some reason SP2 runs faster on my machine :o

[therat]

For some reason SP2 runs faster on my machine :o

same here. SP2 is ~20% faster than SP and Basic. Pity it's so expensive.

cheers

[jdobbs]

Well I can only speak for my experience -- and it is pretty much exactly the same speed.

If it's faster for you... cool. But it's possible the difference you're seeing is in the discs rather than the encoder.

[therat]

Well I can only speak for my experience -- and it is pretty much exactly the same speed.

If it's faster for you... cool. But it's possible the difference you're seeing is in the discs rather than the encoder.

No, exactly the same disk. I installed the latest trial versions of CCE SP and CCE SP2 and created full backups of Any Which Way You Can - Retail Region 4. Using 2 passes the encoding time taken by SP was exactly 40 minutes and 30 minutes by SP2.

My system is an Intel E6600 w/2gig DDR2 ram 250 gig WD SATA11 drive.

BTW Multiple encoder processes NOT enabled.

[Rippraff]

For some reason SP2 runs faster on my machine :o

same here. SP2 is ~20% faster than SP and Basic. Pity it's so expensive.
Maybe I should have been more clear. I'm running a single core cpu (Athlon XP-M) as jdobbs does and there's no speed difference. Maybe SP2 is faster on dual core cpus, but this is only an assumption. ;)

Cu Rippraff

[Fishman0919]

I have an AMD 64 3700+ an Basic, SP, and SP2 all run about the same speed.... On my Intel D 805 Dual Core OC to 4.10g SP2 is about 15% faster then Basic or SP

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/05/10/dual_41_ghz_cores/

[therat]

I have an AMD 64 3700+ an Basic, SP, and SP2 all run about the same speed.... On my Intel D 805 Dual Core OC to 4.10g SP2 is about 15% faster then Basic or SP

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/05/10/dual_41_ghz_cores/

Mine isn't overclocked. It's stock standard. Maybe SP2 performs better than SP and Basic with Intel Dual Cores?

[rahzel]

seems like its only intel. SP and SP2 run pretty much the same speed for me and i have an x2 3800 at 2.75ghz. i didnt record the exact speeds, but the encode times were similar.

btw, CCE doesnt support mutiple instances anyway, so checking that option will make no difference with CCE.

[SpazzHH]

I have 2 Intels, one Dual Core and one single. CCE speeds are about the same for me.

[James35]

Maybe I should have been more clear. I'm running a single core cpu (Athlon XP-M) as jdobbs does and there's no speed difference. Maybe SP2 is faster on dual core cpus, but this is only an assumption. ;)

Cu Rippraff

Mine is an older P4 3gig CPU ( Hyper Threading )

[lilhobo]

Mine is an older P4 3gig CPU ( Hyper Threading )


LOL i hope you people are not readin the bitrate just above the speed.

I have this same system and cant get over 0.8.

How would antivirus and antiadware slow it down?? Coz i have some adware i cant seem to get rid off lol and dont want to shut it down.

Also i am talking about a DVD9 to DVD5 conversion so the mpeg itself may make it harder to compress if badly encoded in the first place?

EDIT2: how much pagesys file are you guys allocating to windows?

[James35]

LOL i hope you people are not readin the bitrate just above the speed.

I have this same system and cant get over 0.8.

How would antivirus and antiadware slow it down?? Coz i have some adware i cant seem to get rid off lol and dont want to shut it down.

Also i am talking about a DVD9 to DVD5 conversion so the mpeg itself may make it harder to compress if badly encoded in the first place?

EDIT2: how much pagesys file are you guys allocating to windows?


No its not the bitrate .With SP2 I get around 2.10 ( 3 pass ) with the older SP it was around 1.50.
My pagesys is auto .
I also excluded the encoders from the Nortons auto protect which improved the encode speed .

[Carpo]

on mine sp2 seems slower - will test same rip with sp and will see for sure

edit - no they are both the same - been so long since i have do a re-encode just seems like it was slower ;)

[jdobbs]

I have this same system and cant get over 0.8.As I mentioned to you before, your system is running at less than 1/3rd what it should. Yes, antivirus and antiadware will slow it down dramatically. They slow down everything on your system -- it's just more obvious on an encoder because it is so processor intensive.

My AMD's clock is running at only 2Ghz (compared to your Intel's 3Ghz) and it is getting speeds greater than 3x what you're seeing. AMD may be faster at a given clock rate -- but nowhere near that much.

[James35]

My AMD's clock is running at only 2Ghz (compared to your Intel's 3Ghz) and it is getting speeds greater than 3x what you're seeing. AMD may be faster at a given clock rate -- but nowhere near that much.

Does that include my encode speed ?

[jdobbs]

Well, at 1.5x (with SP) you're closer to what might be expected. But it still seems a little slow for a 3Ghz processor. I get about 2.5x most of the time (sometimes a little higher, sometimes a little lower). An AMD XP 3200 at 2Ghz is supposed to work at about the same speed as an Intel at 3.2Ghz. So I would have expected you to have similar speeds. What speed is your memory? Mine is DDR working with a 200Mhz FSB speed.

You can also expect a little speed deviation between NTSC and PAL because of the different frame rates. PAL at 1.5x would be encoding at about 37.5fps (25fps time 1.5) -- and NTSC at 1.5x is encoding at 35.96fps (23.976fps times 1.5).

[G_M_C]

[...]I have this same system and cant get over 0.8.

How would antivirus and antiadware slow it down?? Coz i have some adware i cant seem to get rid off lol and dont want to shut it down.
[...]

Well, you posted the reason for the reason for these VERY slow speeds yourself .....

[...]Coz i have some adware i cant seem to get rid off lol[...]

Spyware (== adware) is very far from "lol" ... :/

Loose the spyware, that'll probably help increase your encoding speed. And to loose the spyware: Try running the newest version of Hitman Pro in Safe mode, that helps in very many cases.

[Voodoochild]

Yes, antivirus and antiadware will slow it down dramatically.

I have AMD 3000+ 1.85gh (0.5 overclocked), I get between 1.85-2.4 cce 2.70.....06 speed. I didn't thought about closing down TrendMicro and webroot spy sweeper. I will try and see if there is any differences and report back.

[jdobbs]

I have AMD 3000+ 1.85gh (0.5 overclocked), I get between 1.85-2.4 cce 2.70.....06 speed. I didn't thought about closing down TrendMicro and webroot spy sweeper. I will try and see if there is any differences and report back.Those numbers sound pretty decent for your processor -- so in your case it may not be a factor. The slowdowns are usually the result of active monitoring of disc writes by the AntiVirus software. I'm not sure whether TrendMicro's AntiVirus package does that by default.

[James35]

Well, at 1.5x (with SP) you're closer to what might be expected. But it still seems a little slow for a 3Ghz processor. I get about 2.5x most of the time (sometimes a little higher, sometimes a little lower). An AMD XP 3200 at 2Ghz is supposed to work at about the same speed as an Intel at 3.2Ghz. So I would have expected you to have similar speeds. What speed is your memory? Mine is DDR working with a 200Mhz FSB speed.

You can also expect a little speed deviation between NTSC and PAL because of the different frame rates. PAL at 1.5x would be encoding at about 37.5fps (25fps time 1.5) -- and NTSC at 1.5x is encoding at 35.96fps (23.976fps times 1.5).

I have 1.5 gig DDR 400 memory . All my encodes are in PAL .
By the looks of things some other program is useing up the CPU power , No doubt its Norton Internet Security .

[jdobbs]

Norton has a reputation for impeding performance. That's very likely the problem. Makes you wonder doesn't it? That means everything you are doing on your 3Ghz computer is probably running at 1/3rd speed.

I personally turn off all real time AV software and just do a scan regularly. If I wanted to run slow I could have just kept my 286.

[therat]

Looks like different disks do have different results. I just copied The Disk - PAL - Region 4 - Retail. This time the original dvd was 8+ gigs.

Using CCE SP trial 2.70.2.11 and CCE SP2 trial 1.0.0.10 both with exact same settings and 2 pass VBR. This time SP2 was only 8 minutes faster (exactly 10%)


[14:27:57] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- DVD-RB v1.11.0
- AVISYNTH 2.5.6.0
- CCE 2.70.2.11 encoder selected.
- VTS_04: 48,188 sectors.
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- VTS_12: 53,518 sectors.
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-- Processed 4,334 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 39.5%
- Overall Bitrate : 1,802Kbs
- Space for Video : 2,457,698KB
- HIGH/LOW/TYPICAL Bitrates: 3,021/400/1,802 Kbs
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[15:52:36] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- DVD-RB v1.11.0
- AVISYNTH 2.5.6.0
- CCE 1.0.0.10 encoder selected.
- VTS_04: 48,188 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
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- Overall Bitrate : 1,802Kbs
- Space for Video : 2,457,698KB
- HIGH/LOW/TYPICAL Bitrates: 3,021/400/1,802 Kbs
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Possibly it didn't help either CCE version that I was using a TV Tuner as well as other things while CCE was running in the background.

Anyway SP2 is still slightly faster than SP on my E6600.

[rahzel]

i've ditched norton AV a LONG time ago... memory/cpu usage is really not a problem for me now (2gb of ram and dual core cpu) but i use the free antivirus called AntiVir (free-av.com). ive used it for years now without any problems and it uses little resources. with the av guard and the scheduler running, it uses about 14mb of memory max (right now only about 8mb). without the scheduler running, it only uses about 5-11mb. i've tried other av's (including non-free ones) but AntiVir was my favorite.