New Version of Avi.net

[ricardo.santos]

i dont know what you mean with URL.

i will post pics later as im doing some stuff at the moment but heres the logs:

1st test: i converted a 5 minute as i would normally do and choose a final size of 40MG

2nd test: converted the same 5 vob and choose a final size of 30MG with Comptest enabled
ORIGINAL MPEG FILE
MPEG TYPE : 2
RESOLUTION : 720x576
ASPECT RATIO: 16:9
FIELD ORDER : TFF

CONVERTED AVI FILE
RESOLUTION : 640x368
DURATION : 0:05:00
FPS : 25
CODEC : XVID
PASSES : 2
METHOD : SIZE BASED
SIZE : 30MB
BITRATE : 707Kbps
BITS/PIXEL : 0.12
AUDIO : MP3
SUBTITLES : NONE

SELECTED FILTERS
DE-INTERLACE: NO
DE-GRAINED : NO
DE-GRAINED : NO
HIGHER CROP : NO

COMPRESSION VALUE : 26%

TIME TAKEN [AUDIO]: 00:00:44
TIME TAKEN [VIDEO]: 00:09:59
ENCODE RATE 1/2 : 32 FPS
ENCODE RATE 2/2 : 19 FPS

TIME TAKEN [TOTAL]: 00:11:07


3rd: test converted the same vob file and choose a final size og 30MG without comptest
ORIGINAL MPEG FILE
MPEG TYPE : 2
RESOLUTION : 720x576
ASPECT RATIO: 16:9
FIELD ORDER : TFF

CONVERTED AVI FILE
RESOLUTION : 640x368
DURATION : 0:05:00
FPS : 25
CODEC : XVID
PASSES : 2
METHOD : SIZE BASED
SIZE : 30MB
BITRATE : 707Kbps
BITS/PIXEL : 0.12
AUDIO : MP3
SUBTITLES : NONE

SELECTED FILTERS
DE-INTERLACE: NO
DE-GRAINED : NO
DE-GRAINED : NO
HIGHER CROP : NO

COMPRESSION VALUE : N/A

TIME TAKEN [AUDIO]: 00:00:45
TIME TAKEN [VIDEO]: 00:08:56
ENCODE RATE 1/2 : 33 FPS
ENCODE RATE 2/2 : 21 FPS

TIME TAKEN [TOTAL]: 00:09:48

Conclusion: to my eyes the video without comptest(30MG) enabled looks better than the one with comptest, the matrice used was EQM_V3ULR

[ricardo.santos]

i converted vobs 3 5min vobs from the beggining, middle and end of the movie

[ricardo.santos]

using virtualdub to get the pics:
1st: with CP enabled
2nd:without CP
look at the top left, when comparing frames looking at objects/peoples faces i dont see any diference, video gets artifacts along the edges with CP enabled
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3358/1jl4.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3589/2kq3.jpg

[ricardo.santos]

here's the link for the video, first part with CP and second part without it.

http://rapidshare.de/files/32616099/test.avi

it could be my eyes playing tricks :)

[iNFO-DVD]

i dont know what you mean with URL.I said ULR, not URL.... I was refering to the matrix used, there's two, the LR and the ULR.

to my eyes the video without comptest(30MG) enabled looks better than the one with comptest, the matrice used was EQM_V3ULRYes I have to agree, it completely destroys edges.

Thanks for showing the log, it's says 'DE-GRAINED' twice, I'll fix that.

here's the link for the video, first part with CP and second part without it.Thanks, I completely agree with you. I'll changed the ULR matrix.

Try something that uses a few more bits, like over 900, the other matrix (V3LR) should kick in which should show you some nice improvement.

[iNFO-DVD]

I've changed the low bitrate selected matrix from the EQM_V3ULR to the EQM_V3LR.

Here are some screenshots of a test conversion I did to 640x272. These are a very low bitrate, 590 (0.13 b/p). I hope you have an LCD monitor as you may not see the difference if viewing on a CRT.

The next four screenshots contain pairs of frames, the top frame is the original encoded frame without the comptest, using the standard H263. The bottom frame is with the comptest using EQM_V3LR.

http://www.dvduk.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/__img/_forum/8LEGS-SS1.PNG
Look at the wall and wire, significantly less blocking. The top edge of the hand also has less of that hazy mush.

http://www.dvduk.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/__img/_forum/8LEGS-SS2.PNG
Less blocking on the door, and look at the improvement of the boy walking in the room and the wall behind him.

http://www.dvduk.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/__img/_forum/8LEGS-SS3.PNG
Big improvement with the green plants in the background, officers face and the front line of her shirt that runs down.

http://www.dvduk.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/__img/_forum/8LEGS-SS4.PNG
Lastly a similar shot, faces are more pleasing, hair is better, background.

Remeber these screenshots were taken from a clip encoded at only 590 bitrate. I hope they show the improvement to the picture using the EQM_V3LR matrix. I really like this one.

[Sharktooth]

Weird. Something's wrong. ULR should look much better, but that matrix was not meant for those "so low" bitrates.

[iNFO-DVD]

Weird. Something's wrong. ULR should look much better, but that matrix was not meant for those "so low" bitrates.That's what I thought but hey, the LR is doing a great job. Just a shame about that hazy mush (ringing? mosquito noise?) on the edges with the ULR.

[audioman]

Hi INFO

Congratulations for this new version
I particularly like the fact that avi.net asks to lower the bitrate or to increase resolution in order to have a great output quality

I am gonna have a test on NEMO ( with the new beta 3 ) because this is a very hard movie to encode ( water effect )
The latest LR matrix seems to be very promising

Maybe it is off topic but I discovered this Weekend, DVD rebuilder which is a stunning software allowing to keep close to dvd original quality ( of course with a big file size ) :)

I carry on testing

[iNFO-DVD]

BETA 4 >> HERE (http://www.dvduk.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/__files/avi.NET_2185_BETA4.zip) <<

[Sharktooth]

That's what I thought but hey, the LR is doing a great job. Just a shame about that hazy mush (ringing? mosquito noise?) on the edges with the ULR.
ULR performance are good for quants from 2 (maybe even 1) to 4 (dont worry the size of ULR quant 2 is much slower than standard...).
LR has a different approach and is based on the IEEE studies on human visual system (same as HR) and gives great visuals at mid-low bitrates, but i didnt think it could perform so good at those low bitrates.

[iNFO-DVD]

Lets put it this way...

If V3LR were a women, I'd be asking her out to dinner. ;)

[ricardo.santos]

Hi

Thanks for the new release.

On another matter, is anyonne having difficulty/ being "blocked" from the forum?

Every 2 weeks during the weekend i cant acess the forum, i can see the main page, guides, downloads pages but not the forum.

Anyone experiencing the same?

[audioman]

Aahahahahahahahahahaha :)

[iNFO-DVD]

On another matter, is anyonne having difficulty/ being "blocked" from the forum?

Every 2 weeks during the weekend i cant acess the forum, i can see the main page, guides, downloads pages but not the forum.

Anyone experiencing the same?I have too on a couple of occasions. The first time when the BBC news story was published, problems were due to high traffic. I had problems some days after too, been OK for a few days now. I presume it's high upsurge in readers to the forum....

[ricardo.santos]

I have too on a couple of occasions. The first time when the BBC news story was published, problems were due to high traffic. I had problems some days after too, been OK for a few days now. I presume it's high upsurge in readers to the forum....

the thing is is that some friends of mine that live nearbi could acess it the whole time, at least now i know im not the only one, i thought it was mypc/firewall playing up

Thanks

[ricardo.santos]

Which is which? Which one uses the matrice and wich one doesnt?

[ORIGINAL MPEG FILE]
MPEG Type : 2
Resolution : 720x576
Aspect Ratio: 16:9
Field Order : TFF

[CONVERTED AVI FILE]
Resolution : 640x368
Duration : 0:05:00
FPS : 25
Codec : XVID
Passes : 2
Method : SIZE BASED
Size : 25MB
Bitrate : 567Kbps
Bits/Pixel : 0.10
Audio : MP3
Subtitles : NONE

[SELECTED FILTERS]
Deinterlace : NO
Sharp Image : NO
Smooth Image: NO
Higher Crop : NO

Compression Value : 21%

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4735/cp1tv1.png
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/8360/normal1nl9.png

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1926/cp2rf9.png
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3859/normal2au8.png

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/8413/cp3gq3.png
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/1900/normal3nc2.png

[iNFO-DVD]

Are you asking? or telling?

[ricardo.santos]

its a question. i converted two vobs one with CP enabled the other without.

[iNFO-DVD]

Are you asking because you really don't know or you want me to guess?

Well, I'd say the bottom one usually looks more pleasing.

[ricardo.santos]

i wanted people to judge the pics and see if they could guess which is which.

well, to my surprise the top ones were the ones converted with CP, the bottom ones were just a straight encoding.

encodings were done with same final size, resolution,bitrate etc etc.

[iNFO-DVD]

The only thing I could say to that then is you're just going too low for the matrix.

640x368
0.11 b/p
567 bits
21% comp

My above example was 640x272 so at least that had a few more bits/pixel to play with. I did just do a test on a clip, similar to your latest one and got the opposite results, hmmm. How can the normal have less blocks than CT version? I can't reproduce that!

If it comes to it I'll disable the CQM below 30% and certain bitrate as it's just too low for it.

1. Try something a little higher, minimum 30+%
2. Were them screenshots from BETA 4?
3. Do you like Stargate? :)

[ricardo.santos]

The only thing I could say to that then is you're just going too low for the matrix.

640x368
0.11 b/p
567 bits
21% comp

My above example was 640x272 so at least that had a few more bits/pixel to play with. I did just do a test on a clip, similar to your latest one and got the opposite results, hmmm. How can the normal have less blocks than CT version? I can't reproduce that!

If it comes to it I'll disable the CQM below 30% and certain bitrate as it's just too low for it.

1. Try something a little higher, minimum 30+%
2. Were them screenshots from BETA 4?
3. Do you like Stargate? :)

1- i already did and the videos looked the same(shouldnt he one encoded with cp have better quality?), i wanted to see how effective the matrix was on lower bitrates and it turned out it made the video worse

2-Yes

3- Yes

ill redo the tests tomorrow with a higher bitrate, i formated my pc abouth a month ago, and theres not much stuff in it so i donth think my pc is messing up the tests

[iNFO-DVD]

Strange, just done some more tests with a very similar source comp/bitrate/size settings and it's not even close, the comptest version is far better.

[Sharktooth]

1st, 3rd and 5th pic.

[iNFO-DVD]

1st, 3rd and 5th pic.

lol :D

[Sharktooth]

well, i didnt read all the messages, just looked at the pic and answered the question.
2nd,4th and 6th pictures show blocking and detail smoothing, tipical of h.263 quantization, so the other 3 had to be the ones encoded with a custom matrix.
This is again the tipical example where PSNR fails to represent the perceived quality. h.263 encode will have a higher PSNR but even if the 1st, 3rd and 5th picture are mathematically "more" different from the original (lower PSNR), they just look better (visually pleasing).

[Nrmf]

i know this may make someone upset but i am curious i dig avi.net so much that i started using to make small small avi files for my new pocket pc but was curious is there a way to get a custom resolution say like 320x240 i know this was made for stand alones but man is this thing fast when it comes to making a avi for pocket pc. thank you

[iNFO-DVD]

Latest avi.NET, tweaked code, scripts and stuff.

avi.NET RC1 (http://www.dvduk.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/__files/avi.NET_2185_RC1.zip)

[iNFO-DVD]

resolution say like 320x240 for pocket pc. thank youI'll see if I can come up with something in the next few days, I start University Monday so I'm running out of time......... :scared:

[weaver4]

I'll see if I can come up with something in the next few days, I start University Monday so I'm running out of time......... :scared:

Good luck in college!

Don't forget to include saving the settings for single-pass encoding in your next build.

[Nrmf]

thank you and good luck:)

[iNFO-DVD]

small avi files for my new pocket pc but was curious is there a way to get a custom resolution say like 320x240How about something like this?

http://www.dvduk.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/__img/_forum/mobile.png

[Nrmf]

my honest thoughts i like it but the closer to 320x240 the better the picture looks on pocket pc device in the version before your RC1 i was able to get a 352x240 and it looked sweet with new RC1 version i can only get 480x240, with resolution at anything under 200 the picture would look blocky. i can test new versio for you if you like. but i do like the new title mobile.net this thing is to good thank you for your time and time and more time

[iNFO-DVD]

Yes well it would be 320x240 for something that is fullscreen. The above picture is for a widescreen movie. I can't force everthing to 320x240, would look well weird.

I have a smarphone which is QVGA 320x240 and they look fine. Want me to uploaded a BETA? I use TCMP and watch them fullscreen in landscape mode.

[Nrmf]

yes upload please i too use tcmp. its the only way to go with avi.net files....wooooooohoooooooooooo posted it and i will try

thank you

[iNFO-DVD]

It's obviously a stripped down version of avi.NET and it's only the first release so some stuff from avi.NET only code may still be lying around.

IMPORTANT: Must have the avi.NET RC1 installed and this file MUST be extracted in avi.NET installation folder. Then you can just run it direct or make shortcut.

mobile.NET BETA 1 - Download >> HERE (http://www.dvduk.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/__files/mobile.NET.zip) <<

[Nrmf]

link isnt working

[iNFO-DVD]

Link was only down for 20 seconds. Try again.

[Nrmf]

ok running it now along side with avi.net both apps making a file for me

[iNFO-DVD]

At the same time? That may not be good.

[DaltonX22]

Hello INFO-DVD,

I have followed the discussions and the work you did about comptest integration into Avi.net. You did a heavy work and I filled you were interrested by the challenge and the wish to satisfy the user of avi.net.

I don't think you have had time to think to one of my previous demand concerning the possibility to select manually the start and the end of the movie we want to encode.

Can you please keep one place to my demand for you next upgrade.

I don't think it will come soon as you will soon start the University.

I wish you good luck at University.

[audioman]

+ 1 :)

[iNFO-DVD]

I thought it may be a good idea to have a sort of program that would run a load of 'indexing' jobs. So if you wanted to do two or three jobs in avi.NET rather than wait for the indexing one at a time how about a program that will load whatever files you want in and index them all in one go. It doesn't just have to be used for avi.NET you could use it for any movies you need indexing. You could load a bunch of movies in and just leave it to do it's thing then load them into avi.NET when finished so you don't have to wait for the indexing in avi.NET.

Have a test and let me know if it works OK. The way it indexes is compatible with avi.NET.

http://www.dvduk.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/__img/_forum/index.png

index.NET BETA 1 - Download >> HERE << [LINK REMOVED! iNFO-DVD]

Put in avi.NET installation folder.

[Sharktooth]

iNFO-DVD is on fire...

[Jacquers]

Yeah, lots of nice new stuff lately. Thx!

Just a thought: the other day I accidently forgot to uncheck the "remove temp" option (I was comparing different encode settings on the same clip) and got an error because the temp files were gone. Wouldnt it be possible in such a case to let avi.NET create the .temp if it wasnt found?

It could open up other possibilities: If we had a profiles for avi.NET (e.g. encode to quant x / encode to xx MB), it would be possible to load a movie (just the filename) without doing the preview, load a profile and save the job. Then when avi.NET does the encoding it would see that the .temp is missing and go through the whole indexing routine. (Of course there is the risk that the movie and profile are incompatible, but thats up to the end user to select the right profile.)

[iNFO-DVD]

I think that's it for the moment need to get a new version out so am going to post avi.NET RC2. If no bugs or anything are found in next day or two it will be released as normal.

This RC2 of avi.NET also includes index.NET RC1 and mobile.NET RC1.

Unzip, run self-exe archive and point to avi.NET installation folder (v2.1.8.4).

Download >> HERE (http://www.dvduk.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/__files/avi.NET-RC2.zip) <<

Thanks to everyone who tested and tried this stuff.

[weaver4]

Can someone give me a brief tutorial on what the new options are on the settings tab for RC2? What effect will they have on filesize and quality and such?

Thanks,

[audioman]

Yes a tutorial is welcomed
I get myself lost with all the options

[iNFO-DVD]

Can someone give me a brief tutorial on what the new options are on the settings tab for RC2?
Yes a tutorial is welcomed
I get myself lost with all the optionsC'mon lads, you've taken part in this thread, I thought you'd know about the new options as much as anyone. :D

There's two little new options, the sharp/smooth filter option, that should be obvious, it slightly sharps or smoothes the picture. The only other things is the comptest, 'Advanced Analysis'.

'Advanced Analysis' when enabled, will run the comptest and use more advanced settings and CQM's for XviD.