New version of SubtitleCreator for .NETv2 released

[Paddington]

Version 2.0.0 of SubtitleCreator (http://subtitlecreator.sourceforge.net/) differs in many ways from the previous version 1.9.2, not in the least that it is compiled for .NETv2 (so you need to have that installed). The actual version is even a bit slicker, but I didn't have time to update my pictures. More recent examples can be found on SourceForge (follow the previous link).

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/9538/subtitlecreatormain7jz.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Manusse managed to overlay the subtitles on top of the DVD, which was the most requested feature! This allows you to see the results before you burn the DVD: even better, you can actually watch your DVD, with the new subtitles added on top. Optionally, you can combine them with the original subtitles. The current version of the filter has been tested extensively with PowerDVD, although other DVD players might work too. You can turn the option off in the Settings menu.

This actually means that you need to have CLVSD.ax (comes with PowerDVD) registered on your system using "regsvr32 path\CLVSD.ax". You can also look for it in the C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32 folder.

Semi-automatic addition of a subtitle while retaining the menu, using only freeware tools: The DVD wizard (Tools menu, or CTRL-W) has been improved a lot. It allows you to create a SUP subtitle file at the start, after which the wizard will demultiplex it for you (depends on PgcDemux), multiplex it again with the new subtitle (depends on MuxMan), and finally, add it to the existing DVD to keep the menu (depends on the latest version of VobBlanker, v2.1.1.0 RC1).

Just a quick guide as how it works:

Open the wizard (CTRL-W),
Select any file from the original DVD, press next (if the original contains subtitles, they will now be extracted)
Select the new subtitle language and subtitle: the main window will appear again, and you can select a Profile, position the subtitle, and do some editing of errors (press CTRL-Z to go to the next error).
Use the Synchronize menu to open one of the extracted original subtitle SUP files: select matching pairs left and right (near the beginning and end: double-click to find the nearest subtitle in the other window) and press synchronize.

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8200/subtitlecreatorsync9ph.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Create the SUP and return to the DVD wizard form
Press Start to let SC do the rest (it will call PgcDemux, MuxMan and VobBlanker)


http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/486/subtitlecreatorwizard1dg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Added a translator tool to translate from SUP to SRT (Tools menu): It's still a manual job, but at least all the time information is copied from the original SUP file.

Added a Most Recently Used file list.

It runs under the .NET2 framework, and it is compiled using the freeware C# IDE, SharpDevelop. The downside is that you need to install it if you haven't, but it is worth it... it just looks much better.

It comes in three GUI languages: English (default), French (by Manusse) and Dutch. Write me a PM if you would like to translate it to your own language, which should be relatively straightforward.

It also features support for Closed Captions, although this is still under testing by its developer. As I don't use them, I couldn't really test them...

In addition, there are many more small additions and bug fixes, e.g. it opens by default your last subtitle file, it saves the window position and size (when you save your settings), it by default uses Heathcliff's rendering algorithm (much better looking!), and others I forgot about...


Any comments appreciated!

[ai4spam]

I couldn't help noticing the Romanian subtitles. Is it a coincidence, or are you Romanian ;)?
PS: I haven't tried the app, but it looks great!

[Paddington]

My wife is born in Romania, and I actually started SubtitleCreator for her parents, who would like to watch DVDs with Romanian subtitles (there are not that many). I'm Dutch, however (and so is she), currently living in Australia, and besides Romanian, I also speak German, French, and Spanish (although the latter two are a bit rusty).

[Mtz]

A nice gift for my birthday from Paddington to me. ;) Thanks ! (from Romania).

*Edit: when using for example "Left or Right" alignment, the function is working only on the first subtitle line if the subtitle have 2 lines. If I want to make all subtitles aligned to the left, I can't select all subtitles.
In the "Edit" menu is "tekst" (dutch?) instead of "text".
The "baloon tips" for the arrows for the Next Chapter and Previous Chapter are in the wrong order.
The "line height" arrows up an down are not working OK.
I can't see the srt subtitles when playing a dvd. They appear on the blue bar of the SubtitlesCreator but not on the video. I have registered the CLVSD.ax. :(
/Edit

enjoy,
Mtz

[Paddington]

A nice gift for my birthday from Paddington to me. ;) Thanks ! (from Romania).

*Edit: when using for example "Left or Right" alignment, the function is working only on the first subtitle line if the subtitle have 2 lines. If I want to make all subtitles aligned to the left, I can't select all subtitles.
In the "Edit" menu is "tekst" (dutch?) instead of "text".
The "baloon tips" for the arrows for the Next Chapter and Previous Chapter are in the wrong order.
The "line height" arrows up an down are not working OK.
I can't see the srt subtitles when playing a dvd. They appear on the blue bar of the SubtitlesCreator but not on the video. I have registered the CLVSD.ax. :(
/Edit

Happy birthday Mtz and thanks for letting me know about a couple of bugs!

I've fixed them all except the Alignment option: do you really need to align all lines left or right - I normally only see that happening per line.

BTW, SourceForge (https://sourceforge.net/projects/subtitlecreator/)seems to have some problems, so you may not be able to download the fix yet (v2.0.1 RC1).

About the subtitle overlay: after installing SC, did you run it immediately - the installer probably needs to install the overlay filter. Check that it is properly installed by right-clicking on a DVD and selecting the About the DVD option. If it's installed and it doesn't work, we have a real issue!

[manusse]

Hi Mtz,

For the DVD overlay, can you check that:

Settings->Overlay Subtitles on DVD is validated.
Settings->Select DVD decoder->Preferred by SC is validated.

About CLVSD.ax. I have tested that the overlay filter can work with the CLVSD.ax that comes with PowerDVD version 4, 5 and 6 but not with the one that comes with version 7 (I don't know why). Could you check which version you use?

If all of these seem correct, can you play a DVD and right click on the video and choose about. Then tell us what you can read after "SC Sub filter : " and "DVD Decoder : ".

Thanks

Manusse

[Mtz]

1. Looking at the "About" I saw this:
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7499/scfilernotfound6pj.th.jpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scfilernotfound6pj.jpg)
and as you can see the original subtitle was displayed in some wrong place and the custom sub wasn't.

2. After uninstalling the Nvidia decoder I have this:
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8984/scworking2wy.th.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scworking2wy.jpg)
Now the overlay filter is OK.

No uninstalling of SubtitlesCeator between 1 or 2. Just restart of it

Another report: the "Play the movie backwards" button is not working.

[manusse]

Hi Mtz,

Thanks for your reply.

According to the screen copies you provide:

Settings->Select DVD decoder->Preferred by System is validated

In this case, SC tries to use the default DVD decoder provided by Windows XP. It tries to build a DirectShow graph that is including the overlay filter. Maybe in the case of the Nvidia decoder it can't and that's why the about box doesn't show it.

After you removed the Nvidia decoder, SC uses one of the remaining decoders if you have more. In your case you have Intervideo WinDVD installed. According to tests I have made this decoder is not working with PAL DVDs but may work with NTSC DVDs which is your case (FrameRate 60).

To our knowledge, only PowerDVD 4,5,6 and Fraunhofer decoders are working well with NTSC and PAL DVDs in SubtitleCreator. But if you don't plan to use PAL DVD's with SC, this is not a problem.

Cheers
Manusse

[joker76]

Very nice!
especially the dvd preview option!

This program definetly makes the best subtitles of all srt -> sup converters, if u ask me. i especially like the arial narrow font.

[tomywong]

Hi Paddington,
Can you try this : http://www.tototek.com/sup/sup_test.rar
Use Manipulate SUP from tools.
Do a few times,
load sup
save sup (overwrite it)
load again sup
save sup (overwrite it)
.
.
.
After a few times, you can see this SUP already move its position and look bad. Hope you can fix it. :)

[allouh]

sincere thanks for this great program

[Paddington]

Hi Paddington,
Can you try this : http://www.tototek.com/sup/sup_test.rar
Use Manipulate SUP from tools.
Do a few times,
load sup
save sup (overwrite it)
load again sup
save sup (overwrite it)
.
.
.
After a few times, you can see this SUP already move its position and look bad. Hope you can fix it. :)
Thanks for letting me know and please give the latest version a try - this problem should be fixed.

[tomywong]

Hi Paddington,

I tried v2.0.2. Problem solved a little bit. Position will not move now. But each time you save sup (overwrite it). whole sup will move to left by 1 pixel. Can you check again ? Thank you. :)

[Kitt0s]

hmm i like this version :]

one problem tho... it doesn't show the loaded subtitle on the screen? it just shows the first subtitle on the dvd (english) ...

[manusse]

Hi Kitt0s,

For the DVD overlay, can you check that:

Settings->Overlay Subtitles on DVD is validated.

If it's the case and it is still not working, check also that

Settings->Select DVD decoder->Preferred by SC is validated.

You can find more details here:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=844345#post844345

I have tested that the Subtitle overlay function of SubtitleCreator is working well with the following DVD decoders: powerdvd4, powerdvd6 and fraunhoffer, also windvd4 but only for NTSC DVDs.

Cheers

Manusse

[Paddington]

Hi Paddington,

I tried v2.0.2. Problem solved a little bit. Position will not move now. But each time you save sup (overwrite it). whole sup will move to left by 1 pixel. Can you check again ? Thank you. :)
You are right - your subtitle did have a problem (previously, I used one of my own subtitles, and that was fine). Version 2.0.3 should have that fixed too.

BTW it's quite an irregular file - some subtitles are missing, some don't have a reported end time!

[tomywong]

Hi Paddington,

Thanks for new update. :thanks: Now, sup will not move its position and will not shift to left by 1 pixel each save (overwrite). But I checked sup saved by SC v2.0.3 with DVDSubEdit. It still show a little problem. See here : http://www.tototek.com/sup/sup.bmp
The picture have two subtitles, the top one is original, the bottom one is saved by SC. You can see the one saved by SC that bottom have one more pixel, and missing the right end pixel. It use right end -1 pixel instead the real right end pixel. So, you can see right end and right end -1 pixel are same. You understand what I saying ? Sorry for my bad english.
Yes, this sup is not normal, some subtitles are missing. Don't know why.

[Paddington]

Hi Paddington,

Thanks for new update. :thanks: Now, sup will not move its position and will not shift to left by 1 pixel each save (overwrite). ...
:thanks: for checking againg - OK, could you give it one final go with v2.0.4: my initial check with DvdSubEdit revealed no errors, so hope that is really the case!

[tomywong]

I tried SC v2.0.4, :D Great !! Fixed. Thank you for your time to fix this. I like SC very much. I always use it to change sup position and color. With some not normal sup, I need to use other tools. But now, I can use it again. One tools for all usage, good. :thanks:

[ai4spam]

@paddington and manusse: why don't you guys use AviSynth and AviFil32.dll instead of overlaying? That basically gives you access to the video frame as a bitmap, and you can change it to your heart's content.

[manusse]

Hi ai4spam,

Let me first sum-up how we came to this solution:

Paddington asked several times last year about how to overlay a bitmap on top of the video. He had several answers but nothing directly operational. The idea was to be able to preview the subtitles look and feel, position, ... on top of the DVD before creating the actual SUP file used by muxman to remux the original DVD.

At the beginning of this year, I became interested in this field. I had no idea about DirectShow neither about any other method that would allow to incrust a bitmap in real time over the video. After a few research (Google is my best friend) on my own, I thought a DirectShow filter could be an interesting solution. Some information from Paddington confirmed this could be a way.

Also for the interest of learning a new (to me) technology, I tried making my own DirectShow transform filter and managed to get a working one. I proposed it to Paddington who was interested. This solution has some advantages: it's our source code and we can adapt and enhance it as much as we want without any restriction. However it has some disadantages: Works only with a small (to our knowledge) subset of the available DVD decoders, could have performance issues, proprietary solution...

Why didn't we chose another solution?

I can imagine (now) there are many other solution among which: Use DirectVobSub (even though I don't know how), directly overlay a bitmap using the bitmap overlaying capacities of MS video mixing renderer 9... However I knew nothing about those subjects 8 months ago and Paddington didn't find another working solution despite he tried.

I didn't know about "AviSynth and AviFil32.dll" until today. This could also probably have been a solution but at the time of SC 1.9.2, we didn't know about it. However if I read well on its website AviSynth is a powerful tool for video post-productionSo it could probably not be used for real-time subtitles overlay, could it?

What about using another solution now?

Changing solution today means somebody taking this in charge. Knowing that it took us 2-3 months to fully integrate the current solution into SubtitleCreator. I suppose changing solution is interesting only if the new one has several advantages over the current one. (aka performance, not proprietary, working with most of the DVD decoders ...).

Also it must be an open-source solution (or a solution with a future).

To be clear, I don't see the interest and don't personally have the time now to implement a different way what is currently working quite well.

However, if somebody else wants to try to integrate a new solution, the whole application (including the DirectShow filter with its documentation) is open source (at sourceforge), so it is possible.

And in the future?

The current implementation opens new possibilities for DVD subtitle makers and for SubtitleCreator. It is now possible to adjust the look of the subtitles by previewing them on the video before. In the future, somebody else (or Paddington, or myself) could propose/implement some better way of doing that than using a proprietary filter.

This is only my opinion about your question. Paddington may think differently.

And finally a question

I hope my answers explain why we have chosen this solution clearly enough. Let me finally ask you a question.
For what reason did you ask this question? Did you notice some problems with the current solution we use?

Cheers
Manusse
;)

[Paddington]

Manusse gives a good description of the process, and I also don't feel a particular need to replace his filter.

The only question I still need to investigate is why the DVD players WinDVD, PowerDVD, another freeware mpeg decoder and my 3 hardware DVD players (all different brands) display the subtitles in different vertical locations? For example, I have the impression that by opening the same DVD in WinDVD or PowerDVD, each will show the original subtitles on different vertical positions. Any suggestions anyone?

[ai4spam]

I meant no disrespect for your work, I'm sure it took a lot of time, frustration and digging to come up with a solution like you did. I just saw your own description of the limitation, and proposed a very simple solution. Incidentally, it's what I use in SubRip's module for ripping hardcoded subs. The code (Pascal) is one file, which is basically an interface to AviFil32.dll for opening the video and audio streams, and getting a frame by its number. AviSynth is a frameserver: it takes in anything you can play with MediaPlayer and makes any application trying to play it think that it's dealing with an .avi. That way, basically you can open a DVD, a VCD, a MPEG, you name it. Your application has a very simple interface to it, and is able to work without worrying about what's underneath. AviSynth is open-source, and works great. It works in real time if you don't make it do too much processing. As you mentioned, that's a pretty limited use for it, as it can do many more things, like apply its own filters or VirtualDub filters to each frame before giving it to your application. I wouldn't recommend using its subtitling filter (although that's possible); I would do the overlay in the application, on the raw bitmap. That way, you have total control over the appearance of the subtitles.

[DonMartione]

I'm trying to synchronize some edited subs with the originals. However, whenever I try to open the .sup file to synchronize them, it just sits there and doesn't load. The progress bar fills up but it just sits there, I even left it alone for 5+ minutes.

edit - I just upgraded to 2.04 and tried again and still the same problem. Here is a screenshot as well. http://www.dmartin.net/sc.jpg

edit 2 - Ok, apparently it works fine as long as I open up the .sup file first in the synchronize menu, and then open my text .srt and .ifo. If I do it in the reverse order then it just sits there.

[Corert]

Hello Paddington,

A few days ago I wanted to add a subtitle to an existing dvd, so I downloaded subtitlecreator (version 2.04) to synchronise the new subtitle with the existing subtitles. The new version was a big improvement, especially with the 'DVD wizard' function! I tried it and it was easy, only it partially fails. The new subtitle was added, but only the first original subtitle was added. I though muxman was the problem, because it can only handle 8 subtitles and my dvd did already have 9 subtitles. Therefore, the total would be 10 subtitles, but even muxman advanced did not do it right. So, unfortunately I was forced to do it by hand and it turns out that the dvd was a little too big for a dvd5 (4.37 GB). Does subtitlecreator checks the dvd size or is it limited to an dvd5?

[Paddington]

Hello Paddington,

A few days ago I wanted to add a subtitle to an existing dvd, so I downloaded subtitlecreator (version 2.04) to synchronise the new subtitle with the existing subtitles. The new version was a big improvement, especially with the 'DVD wizard' function! I tried it and it was easy, only it partially fails. The new subtitle was added, but only the first original subtitle was added. I though muxman was the problem, because it can only handle 8 subtitles and my dvd did already have 9 subtitles. Therefore, the total would be 10 subtitles, but even muxman advanced did not do it right. So, unfortunately I was forced to do it by hand and it turns out that the dvd was a little too big for a dvd5 (4.37 GB). Does subtitlecreator checks the dvd size or is it limited to an dvd5?
SC tries to read the existing subtitles from the IFO file, which normally works well enough except for some problems when there is a widescreen and a 4:3 screen version of the same subtitle. If you have many subtitles, you can go through the wizard and check/add them again manually (the wizard accepts srt/sub files, as well as sup files, so you can add any sup file that SC missed).
Muxman's freeware edition only allows you to add 8 subtitles via the GUI, but internally (in the project file that I create), I can add up to 32, so that's no problem.

About your second question, SC doesn't check the filesize of the final DVD, since it cannot change it anyways: When using DVDShrink for coyping the DVD, there should normally be enough room to add one more subtitle. If you use a different program, that may not be the case. In that case, you will either:

have to remove an existing subtitle to make some room
if the existing subtitles are very large compared to the one generated by SC, you can open and save them in the SUP manipulation tool (which removes empty space, thereby compressing the sup file)
recompress it again using DVDshrink to make it fit

Hope that helps!

[Corert]

SC tries to read the existing subtitles from the IFO file, which normally works well enough except for some problems when there is a widescreen and a 4:3 screen version of the same subtitle. If you have many subtitles, you can go through the wizard and check/add them again manually (the wizard accepts srt/sub files, as well as sup files, so you can add any sup file that SC missed).
Muxman's freeware edition only allows you to add 8 subtitles via the GUI, but internally (in the project file that I create), I can add up to 32, so that's no problem.

About your second question, SC doesn't check the filesize of the final DVD, since it cannot change it anyways: When using DVDShrink for coyping the DVD, there should normally be enough room to add one more subtitle. If you use a different program, that may not be the case. In that case, you will either:

have to remove an existing subtitle to make some room
if the existing subtitles are very large compared to the one generated by SC, you can open and save them in the SUP manipulation tool (which removes empty space, thereby compressing the sup file)
recompress it again using DVDshrink to make it fit

Hope that helps!
Thanks for your reply and explanation.
I will try it when this problem occurs again.

[tomywong]

Hi Paddington,

I find out SC v2.x have little problem. When you go into "manipulate SUP file", delay function have problem. After you re-timming, click ok, it say "value can't be null". Why ? Also, when you select video format is NTSC, then show subtitle target area, it is wrong position. Please check. Thank you very much !

[garysan]

Hallo to all of you and thanks for this great software!

1) In these days I am using it for my personal subtitled DVD. I think it's a very complete and easy editor but still now I find that the quality of the rendered subtitles is a bit less than the ones made by Txt2sup. There are always some strange "wild dots"... The quality is anyway good but have you got any suggestions ? What is the difference in the rendering process between Txttosup and SC?

2) Do you know about "Illegal colors" ? Some weeks ago I made a DVD with full white (RGB255) subtitles and when I projected it with a classic PC videoprojector I found that it was an "illegal color" in fact there were some strange (not wanted) light effect... brrr... Do you know if subtitled generate by SC, srt2sup and txt2sup are automatically checked for this problem, or not ?

3) About the little differences in vertical position... Yes, I can say the same thing and I don't know the reason. I can also say that the time In and time OUT of the subtitles can also change (a little) from a DVD player to another and this can be a problem when you try to cover an hard subtitles track with an optional subtitles track. For example some Nortek dvd players show the subtitles always with 0,4 seconds later.

Bye !:D

gary-san

[manusse]

Hi garysan,

1) About the wild dots problem, you should post an example file so that we clearly see what the problem is.

2) What do you mean by illegal color. It may be related to the projector you are using. Or do you have the specs of an "illegal color"?

Cheers
Manusse

[Paulcat]

Most of my usage of S.C. involves creating subs from a text (.srt) file. I was using v1.92 and only just discovered the new versions.

I installed v2.04 and noticed that the .srt file converted to a .sup file in v1.92 was 1700K or so and the same .srt file converted in v2.04 was 1100K or so, with all settings being equal?!

Does v2.04 automatically reduce the bitmap size/placement if for example you have a one word subtitle and the number of lines selected is, say, four?

I also noted that, when re-opening the .sup file after converting, two or three of the subtitles were missing, even though the conversion process seemed to go fine.

I am in Canada, and we have the NTSC system here. Is there a way to cause S.C. to default to NTSC? Also, the changes or corrections S.C. makes when loading text subs (cleanup spaces etc) can be unchecked, but this also reverts to checked when the program is re-started, which is a bit of a pain, as some of my titles are descriptions in brackets which disappear the next time I load them (because I always forget to uncheck that stupid box!), and this does not occur with v.1.92.

Also, in v2.04 the ability to change the number of lines has vanished from the top-right "menu" and I had to drag the box with the cursor, can you bring that back?

Paul

whew! It's still a great program, don't get me wrong, but I may have to go back to v1.92 just to make things easier for me.

One more thing, sorry, when you change the aspect ratio of the background picture, it would be nice to see the background in black, the way it would look on the television.

[krypton22]

Just wanted to thank you guys (Paddington, manusse) for this great tool. Nothing more :thanks:

[manusse]

Hi Paulcat,

You ask if there is a way to have SC work in NTSC by default. This is quite easy. First change the format to NTSC (Format -> Video format ...).
Then save the settings: Settings -> Save settings. And that will do it.
The same answer applies to the corrections applied by SC when loading subtitles. Just change the option to meet your requirements and save the settings.
:D

About the size difference between of generated SUP between SC2.04 and 1.92, this could be due to some options that are not the same. For example the anti-alias filter. The SUP format uses RLE compression for the subtitles so a big difference in size can mean quite no difference in the final result, depending on the algorithm details.

You write that when you convert one of your files from srt to sup some subtitles are missing. Could you please post the incriminated srt file so that we can check.

Also, in v2.04 the ability to change the number of lines has vanished from the top-right "menu" and I had to drag the box with the cursor, can you bring that back?
If you look at the third page of "SubtitleCreator user guide" you should see a screen copy of SC2.0.1. You can see that the "Position subtitles" group has a "#Lines" box where you can type the desired number of lines. Did you try it?

Cheers
Manusse

[Paulcat]

Manusse:

I don't know why I didn't look in the menu for settings, probably because I was switching back and forth between 2.04 and 1.92, and somewhere in there my brain shut off! I will try that!

As for the conversion, I converted 930 text subtitles to sup format and re-opened the sup to play with the adjustment options, and it only re-loaded 927 subtitles. Since I have modified that original srt quite a bit, all I can do is try it again when I am home (I am at work now) and see if I can duplicate the error. If I can, I'll post the srt file.

I have also figured out the problem with not being able to see the #lines adjustment in the menu. When I first start SC, the text window for the subs is approx. half the screen, and as a result, the adjustment menu is partially missing. If I pull the text window down, it re-appears. The "default" size of the text window must have changed between 2.00 and 2.04 because this only occurs with the latest version. Hopefully, this will also be saved in the settings...(I feel like such a fool!)

I do have a few other questions though. In the srt I was working on, there were some lines that were highlighted in green (duration error), yet they play fine in the completed DVD, what is the criteria for duration?

Also, some lines were highlighted in blue (too long), but since the subtitle window I was using was four lines, I had plenty of room. Does the length calculation default to 2 lines and/or a certain size of text in the font settings?

Final question, in the default colour settings, there is an option for the anti-alias colour as transparent or non-transparent. Toggling this option on and off does not result in any change in the on-screen appearance of the text when the 'show actual output' flag is un-checked. It does change in v1.92.. Which option on the toggle generates a clearer subtitle on the final DVD or it is a matter of trial and error?

Paul

[manusse]

The duration error is parametrized in the Settings.xml file:
(In C:\Documents and Settings\UserName\Local Settings\Application Data\SubtitleCreator\)


<CheckSubDuration>True</CheckSubDuration>
<!-- Define the max chars per second you allow. -->
<MaxCharPerSecond>25</MaxCharPerSecond>


For the (too long) problem, check that Format -> Wrap lines is selected if you want SC to automatically go to the next line when the text is too wide to fit.

Cheers
Manusse

[Asmodeus]

I didn't read whole theread, but I don't think so that anyone sugested the same. I also no programmer so I din't know is it possible at all, but:
Is it possible to compile srt2sup the way that it will be .NET independent (with build in needed libraries or so)?

[Heathcliff!]

I didn't read whole theread, but I don't think so that anyone sugested the same. I also no programmer so I din't know is it possible at all, but:
Is it possible to compile srt2sup the way that it will be .NET independent (with build in needed libraries or so)?

Nope. It isn't. But why would you want to? More and more apps rely on .NET. The framework makes life for developpers a lot easier. More sophisticated apps can be build even faster. In Vista .NET 3.0 will be installed by default, no-one needs to download it anymore by then. But even if you would have to download it, what is 20MB now-a-days?

[Asmodeus]

Yeah :) But I'm on FreeBSD :)

[Heathcliff!]

Yeah :) But I'm on FreeBSD :)

Maybe you can try Mono (http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page). But I'm not sure if it will work.

[Asmodeus]

I'm no programer but AFAIK mono is for compiling source writed for .NET, to be able to run it on MONO VM on *nixes.
I mentionet this earlier, to make addidional "install" package of runtime libraries that SC relies on, to not install whole .NET. I saw that trick in cdburnerxp.
While it's impossible to install .NET on wine ATM, standalone binaries runs perfectly. For instance txt2sup runs nice (I only have problem with central european charesets, and some colors).

[Paddington]

Just a quick note that I've fixed some bugs in v2.0.5:

Fixed the delay function in the SUP manipulation
Fixed the DVD synchronization list menu (sometimes, the subtitles wouldn't be correctly sorted)
Updated the settings, so the splitter controls should have a more sensible value.

[Paddington]

Manusse:
I have also figured out the problem with not being able to see the #lines adjustment in the menu. When I first start SC, the text window for the subs is approx. half the screen, and as a result, the adjustment menu is partially missing...

I do have a few other questions though. In the srt I was working on, there were some lines that were highlighted in green (duration error), yet they play fine in the completed DVD, what is the criteria for duration?

Also, some lines were highlighted in blue (too long), but since the subtitle window I was using was four lines, I had plenty of room. Does the length calculation default to 2 lines and/or a certain size of text in the font settings?

Final question, in the default colour settings, there is an option for the anti-alias colour as transparent or non-transparent. Toggling this option on and off does not result in any change in the on-screen appearance of the text when the 'show actual output' flag is un-checked. It does change in v1.92.. Which option on the toggle generates a clearer subtitle on the final DVD or it is a matter of trial and error?
Paul
I have little time, but let me quickly address your questions:

This problem should be fixed in v2.0.5 - I hope that the default settings have a better default value (when you save your own settings though, they will overrule the new settings that come with the program, so you will probably not notice anything unless you remove them).
The duration problem is only an indication that it may be hard to read if you are a slow reader (I got the values from Subtitle Workshop)
As you have already noticed, length errors are always based on 2 subtitle lines (my default).
Heathcliff has written a very much improved anti-alias algorithm, which results on less flicker when you display it on screen. If you don't like it, you can turn it off in the Edit or Format menu, and you will get my old, less sophisticated version again.

[Paulcat]

Thanks for the response, I have managed to work around most of the things that I noted above. The word wrap is the most tricky because sometimes instead of wrapping to 3 or 4 lines, the text would be reduced in size, and I found I had to insert carriage returns in the text to maintain the size (which is damned tricky in S.C. edit text mode by the way! Any keyboard shortcut for that?)

Apart from that, the program works quite well, and I am still quite impressed. Thanks for all your hard work.

[derebo]

hi,

firstly, thanks for that rockin' piece of soft! ;)

now, would it be possible to draw a black subtitle box for AS LONG AS the movie running time? when subs are on, they'd be displayed. when subs are off, the black box would still be on. that'd be useful in case hardcoded or burn-in original sub timing does not match with translated sub timing, and you'd like to keep those ugly burnt-in subs out of sight!

i guess creating an empty sub to come up between two real text subs would work. but that'd mean creating twice as many subs! pointless...

regards!

[Paulcat]

I noticed the changes in 2.05, everything seems to scale better now (my working resolution is 1280 x 1024).

I did note that every sub now says duration error, regardless of it's size or duration. I'm just going to ignore it. I usually play through the file with vobsub active anyway to see if they go by too fast, and change them if they do.

Derebo:

I have a dvd with two sets of subtitles, one is english and the other is english director's commentary. The main one is a forced subtitle and the other can be turned on and off. You could make your "black box" a forced sub and make your actual translation a switchable sub so even if you want to watch it in it's original language, the hard-coded subs would be covered up.

[derebo]

paulcat,

you've given some insight i hadn't thought about before! the idea of that director's commentary and using forced and non-forced altogether is brilliant! i'll do some testing and report results.

thanks for your nice feedback!

derebo

[Paulcat]

Glad to be of help, I hope it actually works!

[derebo]

hi,

after some testing and thinking... the issue is: only 1 sub stream can be displayed at a time. the dvd has no menus, just the movie. so everything has to be bundled within that sub stream. i can only think of creating empty subs between text subs for as long as the movie running time...

regards,

[Paulcat]

Interesting. I made a backup of my dvd of Night Watch, which actually has English (dubbed) and Russian versions. I picked the Russian version with English subs and got english subs with the dialogue and english subs for director's commentary both. The only thing I can think of is that the dialogue subs may be hard coded. I'll have to have another look at the disk.

Sorry...

[derebo]

no problem. thanks for your interest and checking it out. Nochnoi Dozor... ;)
please, let me know what you learn, when you have the time.

greetings!

[Paddington]

... I had to insert carriage returns in the text to maintain the size (which is damned tricky in S.C. edit text mode by the way! Any keyboard shortcut for that?)
It turns out that in v2.0.5 the caret has disappeared when editing the subtitles (shortcut F2 - see the edit menu for shortcuts for the time fields), which I have restored in v2.0.6 (http://subtitlecreator.sourceforge.net).

In addition, Manusse has improved the SCSubtitleFilter (which does the subtitle overlay) to make it faster, and I have added his french manual to the release.

[Paddington]

hi,
now, would it be possible to draw a black subtitle box for AS LONG AS the movie running time? when subs are on, they'd be displayed. when subs are off, the black box would still be on. that'd be useful in case hardcoded or burn-in original sub timing does not match with translated sub timing, and you'd like to keep those ugly burnt-in subs out of sight!

i guess creating an empty sub to come up between two real text subs would work. but that'd mean creating twice as many subs! pointless...

I see the problem - this probably occurs mostly with DivX-->DVD movies (which I hardly ever use)... As you have already discovered, you can only have one subtitle turned on at all times, so whether SC can do it automatically or you insert the empty subtitles inside the srt file, that will be a similar result. Probably the easiest is to have a function that copies the original srt file, add empty subtitles automatically, and reload it again. That shouldn't be too hard to do, but I have little time at the moment.

In addition, <font color...> seems to become more popular, and they result in errors, so I first have to fix that. BTW, how would people want me to deal with those colors? I can add them automatically to the color palette, but this might overwrite some subtitles that have already been used elsewhere... Also, at the moment I can only use one foreground color (the DVD format allows multiple areas, but that wouldn't be so easy to implement at the moment), so any color code you would specify would affect the whole subtitle. Would that be OK?

[derebo]

paddington,

thanks for your beautiful piece of soft! yes, empty subs could be inserted by hand, but take a thousand subs. that'd be time-consuming! if a math function could do the calculation... that'd be great. of course, you decide and your time is yours.

concerning colors: imho, i take two options:
1.-import font colors from already existing subs so that all subs will have the same look
2.-choose my own colors but then all subs would have to have my chosen colors.

as you can see, i tend to standarize ;)

thanks and regards!

[CoNS]

derebo, you might be able to find inspiration in this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=110335).

[xyncro]

..what a pitty.. :(

i installed SubtitleCreator and a codec containing the clvsd.ax file which i also registered.. but still i'm gettting an error when trying to start SubtitleCreator..

i can't figur this one out.. i had it running once and now i'm only getting 'SubtitleCreator has encountered a problem and needs to close. bla bla bla'.. and now it won't start more then with this error message..

does anyone else have this problem and can advise..?

btw.. it looked like a great application..

thx..

[Paulcat]

Just so I am clear on a few things...

The primary text colour must be constant for each subtitle bitmap, but may be changed for different bitmaps in each subtitle "stream"?

And I assume this also applies to the subtitle position/size as well, in that each bitmap may be positioned in a different location from the previous one and need not be the same size?

That would be handy, but it would likely involve you having to save the subtitle as a "project", keeping the colours and the positions for each sub in a file. That would be nice, especially if one is called away from the computer during the middle of something..

Would it be technically possible to use, say, a secondary colour (like the AA colour) as a primary text colour for a second line of dialogue, to indicate a different speaker?

Paul

keep up the good work

[manusse]

Could you please give us more details about your problem.

i can't figur this one out.. i had it running once and now i'm only getting 'SubtitleCreator has encountered a problem and needs to close. bla bla bla'.. and now it won't start more then with this error message..


The "clvsd.ax file" is only for previewing your subs on top of the video so this should not be your problem.

So you are just opening SubtitleCreator and you get an exception?

It may be due to the fact that SubtitleCreator tries to open the last sub that you have open and that it has an error that causes an exception.

To check if it is the case, find the file named C:\Documents and Settings\User Name\Local Settings\Application Data\SubtitleCreator\MRU.txt and rename it to something else like MRUold.txt.

Try to open SubtitleCreator. If it is working, quit it, rename your file MRU.txt again and suppress its first line that points to a bad file.

If this doesn't solve your problem, you must give us more details like the whole text of the error message you get.

Cheers
Manusse

[ElBoricua433]

Okay Question, if a DVD came with no subtitles at all, like old DVD's, how do you add a subtitle for that DVD which never included Subtitles in the first place?

[manusse]

Hi,

I think this is a recurring question. There are many ways to do that. First you need to prepare a text file with your subtitles as text plus timings. Then you must convert these texts to bitmaps. And finally you must mux them with your DVD.

You can do those with many tools, freeware or not with different levels of automation.

The way I do it:
1°) Write a SRT file that corresponds to the audio track of the DVD: I use http://visualsubsync.corecodec.org/ that allows to enter text sentences corresponding to the audio slice of your DVD that you select with your mouse. It saves the result directly to a .srt file.
2°) Use SubtitleCreator's DVD Authoring Wizard that will allow you to create the bitmap stream and add it to your DVD with a very simple interface. It uses some other freewares that you must also install for demuxing the DVD, remuxing it and keeping the menus. (pgcdemux, muxman, vobblanker).

Let me tell you one trick of SubtitleCreator for DVD that have no subtitles. You must use the Format -> Use prefered subtitle colors when creating the SUP file (bitmap) because the original color palette of your DVD is probably set to all colors black.

Cheers
Manusse

[xyncro]

Hi manusse..

thx for your help, it worked by renaming the MRU file
now i was able to start SubtitleCreator again..

BUT.....

when i loaded a .srt file it happened again..
the application kinda looked so it won't start again
unless i rename the MRU file..

do i need to do this all the time i'm using SubtitleCreator..?

thx again for your help..

[manusse]

This means that SubtitleCreator has problems opening your subtitle file.
Could you send it to me (Private Message) so that I check.

Also you can tell SubtitleCreator not to load automatically the last opened file at startup.


Settings -> Automatically load...
Settings -> Save Settings

Cheers

EDIT : I've looked at your srt file. The problems comes from subtitle 1167: "Slut<!". When SubtitleCreator finds a '<', he expects the corresponding '>'. If possible just remove the '<' char and it will work. We will try to fix this in next version of SC.

Manusse

[Mr Cool Span]

Can some one plays help me?
I got this annoying problem
When I open a dvd in SubtitleCreator preview everything works fine except for the audio, I get no sound at all? And that makes sync of a subtile a little difficult
The SubtitleCreator ver I use is 2.0.5
Thanks

[xyncro]

Manusse.. thx for your help..

[manusse]

SubtitleCreator uses the default audio decoder that comes with your DVD decoder.

Do you have a DVD decoder installed?

Cheers
Manusse

[Mr Cool Span]

SubtitleCreator uses the default audio decoder that comes with your DVD decoder.

Do you have a DVD decoder installed?

Cheers
Manusse

Yes i got powerdvd and Nero showtime

[manusse]

Hi,

Could you first try to devalidate the overlay and play a DVD to see if it works or not:

Settings -> Check that "Overlay subtitles on DVD" is not checked.

Then Settings -> Save Settings.

Then restart SC and play your DVD. Check if there is sound or not. Tell me the result in this thread.

Cheers
Manusse

[Mr Cool Span]

Hi,

Could you first try to devalidate the overlay and play a DVD to see if it works or not:

Settings -> Check that "Overlay subtitles on DVD" is not checked.

Then Settings -> Save Settings.

Then restart SC and play your DVD. Check if there is sound or not. Tell me the result in this thread.

Cheers
Manusse
Sorry m8
I have fund the bug
It was the ff codec, after uninstall it all works just great
Thanx for the helpe and im sorry to take you time

[vlada]

Hello, I think there is quite a lot of confusion regarding AR of video in Subtitle Creator. I remember how I was completely lost before I did some tests and learned how subtitles on DVD work.

I have a suggestion on improving the way, how subtitle position should be displayed. I think the user should first select, if he has a 16:9 or 4:3 TV. Then he should select movie AR. The picture should be then displayed with correct AR and also the window for subtitle position should be adjusted according to the selected TV type.

If it is possible, the subtitles should be horizontally stretched if the users selects a 16:9 TV. Because they will be displayed so.

Currently the window which displays subtitle position is always 5:4. So if I select for example 16:9, the subtitle position is displayed absolutely wrong. If you don't understand what I mean, I can post some screenshots.

Also I don't understand, what should the switch Anamorfic/Letterbox do. I doesen't make to much sense for me.

[Paulcat]

What if you are watching a 16:9 dvd on a regular 4:3 television?

Paddington: Another thing I noted the other day, if I play a video file with a subtitle file in text (.srt) format with vobsub active, it allows a subtitle to remain on the screen and a second one to overlap if the start time of the second sub is earlier than the stop time of the first. For example:

001
00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:03,000
This is the first title which ends at 3 seconds

002
00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,000
This sub starts at 2 seconds, before the last one ends

Can subtitle creator be set to correct (or flag) the timing of subs in this case? And, as an aside, does the start time of sub #2 have to be 1 msec after the end of sub #1 or can the times be exactly the same?

---

I have also been working on some text subs in which some lines are quite long, I set the subtitle window to 700 pixels wide with a space of 10 on each side, and in the completed project, the start and end of some words were offscreen. Is there a "tv-safe" limit to the size of the window?

Paul

[manusse]

Hi Paulcat,

Could you just explain what you mean by "with vobsub active".

As SubtitleCreator doesn't use vobsub to overlay the subtitles I don't see your point?

[Edit] Also I've checked you example and it seems SC is fixing the srt file automatically!

Cheers
Manusse

[vlada]

Paulcat> If you are watcing 16:9 DVD on a 4:3 TV, the subtitles should look like this:

http://jech.webz.cz/obrazky/titulky3_m.png

What wasn't clear to you?

[Paddington]

Can subtitle creator be set to correct (or flag) the timing of subs in this case? And, as an aside, does the start time of sub #2 have to be 1 msec after the end of sub #1 or can the times be exactly the same?

---

I have also been working on some text subs in which some lines are quite long, I set the subtitle window to 700 pixels wide with a space of 10 on each side, and in the completed project, the start and end of some words were offscreen. Is there a "tv-safe" limit to the size of the window?
Paul
About the first point: doesn't SC already correct this if you turn it on - if I remember correctly (not guaranteed :-) the start frame of the next subtitle should at least be later than the end time of the previous subtitle.
About the difference of 1msec - since everything is frame based, it will take at least 3ms for each frame, so don't worry about that.

About the second question: Settings|Show Frame Markers allows you to show some safe areas.

[Paulcat]

Vlada:

I was being sarcastic, sorry! I think you mean that even with a widescreen film, the subtitle position changes depending if you are watching it on a standard or widescreen television, and when you are working with SC you cannot account for that.

How does your current dvd player play subs from commercial dvd's? If your dvd player is set up for a 16:9 television, doesn't the player automatically adjust the subtitle position beyond anyone's ability to adjust it in subtitle creator?

Manusse:

I often subtitle from avi files, and I use media player classic which will display .srt subtitles over the video (if vobsub is installed) to check the subtitle timing. Vobsub will not correct the start/end times and allow two subs to overlap, which won't happen on a dvd, so I was wondering what SC would do with a "nonstandard' srt file, but you've already answered that!

Paddington:

So that's what Show Frame Markers does...sheeit...now the question I have is why is there two? Is the inner one a safe area and the outer one a cautionary area? And I see what vlada is discussing more clearly too, if you could flip between 16:9 tv and 4:3 tv, you could see whether or not your subs look equally well positioned on both types of tv's (assuming you would be willing to lend out your dvd to people who have differently shaped televisions from you...!)


Paul

[vlada]

Paulcat> I don't own a standalone DVD player, but I create quite often DVDs for my friend. They have different types of TVs and of course I want to have perfect subtitles. I know how to create them in SC. But it is very confusing for an inexperienced user.

I created here a thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=110830) concerning subtitle positioning on PC. It might be interesting for you.

Anyway the fact is, that a standalone player uses (or at least should) different subtitle streams when it is connected to a 4:3 and 16:9 TV. So you need to create 2 subtitle streams for each language/size/colour etc., if you have a widescreen movie. If you don't the subtitles won't look correct. They will be deformed on one of the 2 TV types.

[tomywong]

Paddington :

Can you update CVS site too ? It is SC v2.04 at the moment. Thank you.

[changjunk]

Hi,

I would like to ask to support another type format rather than sup. I've enjoyed a custom Korean subtitled DVD with Muxmand and SC for a long time.

However sometime Muxman refuse to muxing due to high video bitrate. So I have to try another DVD authoring tool and faced on the troulble with subtile. There are a lot of tool that can make sst or son file format. However the quality of subtitle is poor compare with SC.

If SC can support sst or son file format in the future, I'll be VERY happy!

TIA.

[Mtz]

When muxman will not create some IFO because "high bitrate", it already created the all VOBs files needed for you.
Because you have the all vobs you just need the IFO. Use for this IFOEdit and "Create IFOs". IFOs will be created, but no information about languages used in the audio and subtitles tracks. I think you can add this info with IFOEdit or PGCEdit.

enjoy,
Mtz

[manusse]

@tomywong

Paddington has moved the files under SVN.
You will always find the latest version under Subversion as we use it to share source code.

http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/subtitlecreator/

@changjunk

I am preparing the compatibility (in and out) with sub/idx (i.e. vobsub files). Maybe it can help you.

Cheers
Manusse

[tomywong]

manusse :

Thank you, I got it. Now, SC mostly maintain by you ?

[manusse]

Hi tomywong,

No, SC is maintained by Paddington.

I've developped the DirectShow filter used by SC (>=2.0.0) for overlaying the subtitles. So I know SC a bit and I am trying to help when I think I know the answer.

Cheers
Manusse

[BoJangles]

@every1,

Hello there people, I'm from the Netherlands and I trying to use SubtitleCreator v.2.0.6. Everything is set up nicely but everytime when I try to replace a subtitle I get an error during the vobblanker part in the proces.

ERROR: ifo has more than one PGC: Unsupported

It drives me nuts. Does (or did) anybody have the same problem and knows where it is comming from. And, more important, know's how to fix it?

All the right program's are set and installed correctly. I even redid everything to make sure I did it right. I've had this problem now with the 4 dvd's that I tried to make and I have no idea what it is. I can't even find anything about it in the forums or with google.

Help me, please :thanks:

[kle500]

Hello people.
I am sorry if that has been answered befire, but i couldn't find the right answer to my problem.

I am trying to put subtitles on a DVD (it's not new, you will say), that doesn't have.
Ok, i have made my subs in Subtitle Workshop, and i am trying to put them into DVD (no synch errors).
But whatever i do, whatever color i choose for the fonts, the final DVD, has very very strange colors, but never the correct ones (White, with Black stroke).

My proccedure is like this:
I open the program, i choose video format (ntsc for example), i choose a profile (arial narrow), i correct the vertical, colors are (09,03,02,08), i save to sup.


Then i go to DVD Author wizard.
Choose video -> subtitle 1 (gr) -> browse sup subtitle.
That's it.

Now when the DVD is finished the subs are: RED(fill), YELLOW (anti-alias), WHITE (stroke).

If i choose USE PREFFERED SUBTITLE COLORS, the subs are total mess, with deep green, purple etc.

Do i do something wrong?
Is there any way i can fix this?


Regards
Kle500

[Paddington]

@kle500
You should use the DVD authoring wizard from the start, browse to your text based subtitle file, etc. Than it will work.
The problem you have occurs because you create the sup with the default IFO color palette, not with the one that is part of the DVD, and which will be loaded by the authoring wizard. Alternatively, you can (before creating the sup) open the main IFO file, i.e. the largest IFO file in your dvd, which allows SC to read the IFO color palette and PAL/NTSC.

@Bojangles
This seems to be a problem related to VB, not SC. Are you trying to subtitle a TV-Series, perhaps, which is not supported by SC? Can you open the VobBlanker project file (in the SC_TEMP directory) manually - and see how that looks like?

[BoJangles]

This seems to be a problem related to VB, not SC. Are you trying to subtitle a TV-Series, perhaps, which is not supported by SC? Can you open the VobBlanker project file (in the SC_TEMP directory) manually - and see how that looks like?

@Paddington,

No, I am not trying to sub a TV-Serie. In this case I am trying to replace an existing sub (the French and 2nd on the DVD) with a Dutch sub.

I am not sure wich 'project file' you ment. In de SC_Temp dir. I have a VobBlanker.ini file, a LogFile.txt and a muxmanlog. I Assume you ment the VobBlanker.ini in wich I didn't see any errors (but what the hell do I know) I will copy and past it below. Maybe you see anything unusual. If it is the wrong file, please let me know.

============== VobBlanker.ini =============

[General]
Version=2.1.0.0
InputPath=H:\[Movies]\_ Monster.House.2006\[Original]
OutputPath=H:\[Conversions]\SubtitleCreator\DVD_Final\VIDEO_TS\
nIFOs=21
CheckFolder=0
CheckMenu=1
CheckTitle=1
CheckVobPuops=1
CheckIfoPuops=1
[FixVOBPointers]
CheckFixTitlePointers=0
CheckFixMenuPointers=0
[Replace]
CheckElapsed=1
CheckFixVobsReplacing=0
CheckCopyPalette=1
CheckCopyAttrib=1
CheckCopyStatus=1
CheckSubsAR=1
[ScanVOBUs]
CheckAutoScan=0
ScanNVOBUs=4
[PGC options]
CheckPostPre=1
CheckPostPreForced=0
CheckNextMenu=1
CheckNextTitle=1
CheckPrevMenu=1
CheckPrevTitle=1
CheckAttrMenu=1
CheckAttrTitle=1
[Motion2Still]
CheckBlankNoB=1
CheckOneSecStill=1
MaxStillTime=4
MinStillTime=9
IFrameMode=1
[VobLayout]
CheckVobFill=0
CheckVobOrder=0
CheckVobMUnref=0
CheckVobLUnref=0
CheckVobRenumber=1
CheckClockDisc=1
[Backup]
CheckBckMul=0
CheckBckVts=0
[Replacing Cells]
nReplacedCells=0
[Cells to Still]
nStillCells=0
[Cells to Split]
nSplitCells=0
[VIDEO_TS]
ActionVTS=PROCESS
[VTS01]
nPGCs=1
ActionVTS=PROCESS
VOBAlreadyScan_01=0
ActionT01_01=REPLACE
Replacing Title_01_01=H:\[Movies]\_ Monster.House.2006\[Original]\Remuxed\VTS_01_0.IFO
Replacing Size_01_01=4614957056
CutInfo_01_01=0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
[VTS02]
nPGCs=1
ActionVTS=PROCESS
VOBAlreadyScan_02=0
[VTS03]
nPGCs=1
ActionVTS=PROCESS
VOBAlreadyScan_03=0
[VTS04]
nPGCs=1
ActionVTS=PROCESS
VOBAlreadyScan_04=0
[VTS05]
nPGCs=1
ActionVTS=PROCESS
VOBAlreadyScan_05=0
[VTS06]
nPGCs=1
ActionVTS=PROCESS
VOBAlreadyScan_06=0
[VTS07]
nPGCs=1
ActionVTS=PROCESS
VOBAlreadyScan_07=0
[VTS08]
nPGCs=1
ActionVTS=PROCESS
VOBAlreadyScan_08=0
[VTS09]
nPGCs=1
ActionVTS=PROCESS
VOBAlreadyScan_09=0
[VTS10]
nPGCs=1
ActionVTS=PROCESS
VOBAlreadyScan_10=0
[VTS11]
nPGCs=1
ActionVTS=PROCESS
VOBAlreadyScan_11=0
[VTS12]
nPGCs=1
ActionVTS=PROCESS
VOBAlreadyScan_12=0
[VTS13]
nPGCs=1
ActionVTS=PROCESS
VOBAlreadyScan_13=0
[VTS14]
nPGCs=1
ActionVTS=PROCESS
VOBAlreadyScan_14=0
[VTS15]
nPGCs=1
ActionVTS=PROCESS
VOBAlreadyScan_15=0
[VTS16]
nPGCs=1
ActionVTS=PROCESS
VOBAlreadyScan_16=0
[VTS17]
nPGCs=1
ActionVTS=PROCESS
VOBAlreadyScan_17=0
[VTS18]
nPGCs=1
ActionVTS=PROCESS
VOBAlreadyScan_18=0
[VTS19]
nPGCs=1
ActionVTS=PROCESS
VOBAlreadyScan_19=0
[VTS20]
nPGCs=1
ActionVTS=PROCESS
VOBAlreadyScan_20=0
[VTS21]
nPGCs=1
ActionVTS=PROCESS
VOBAlreadyScan_21=0

================ End of Message ==================

[kle500]

@kle500
You should use the DVD authoring wizard from the start, browse to your text based subtitle file, etc. Than it will work.
The problem you have occurs because you create the sup with the default IFO color palette, not with the one that is part of the DVD, and which will be loaded by the authoring wizard. Alternatively, you can (before creating the sup) open the main IFO file, i.e. the largest IFO file in your dvd, which allows SC to read the IFO color palette and PAL/NTSC.

Thank's, it worked fine.
All i had to do after i choose my subtitle (and profile), was to load the main movie IFO from my DVD, then all went correct, with White Font and Black Stroke.

Two questions:
1)Why when i choose DVD Author Wizard, the substream for the subtitle is Number 3 and Language to Romanian?
My DVD doesn't have any Sub.
Can we choose the Defaults to be 1 and (for example) English as language?

2) Is the subtitle we add to a DVD, enabled by default?
I mean, when i author a DVD from Scratch, i make a menu for Subtitles, with 2 selections, 1 ENABLE and another one OFF.
I have also enabled in my authoring program to have the subs allways eneble whenever you put it on DVD Player.

Does the Subs from SC, allways enebled ?

Thank you very much

Regards

[iElectric]

I get this error on wizard:

Win32 Version: 2.0.0.0
CodeBase: file:///D:/programi/SubtitleCreator/SubtitleCreator.exe
----------------------------------------
System.Windows.Forms
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.42 (RTM.050727-4200)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Windows.Forms/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Windows.Forms.dll
----------------------------------------
System
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.42 (RTM.050727-4200)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll
----------------------------------------
System.Drawing
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.42 (RTM.050727-4200)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Drawing/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Drawing.dll
----------------------------------------
DShowNET
Assembly Version: 1.0.0.1
Win32 Version: 1.0.0.1
CodeBase: file:///D:/programi/SubtitleCreator/DShowNET.DLL
----------------------------------------
System.Xml
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.42 (RTM.050727-4200)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Xml/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Xml.dll
----------------------------------------
ListViewEx
Assembly Version: 1.0.2297.19690
Win32 Version: 1.0.2297.19690
CodeBase: file:///D:/programi/SubtitleCreator/ListViewEx.DLL
----------------------------------------
SubtitleCreator.resources
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.0.0
CodeBase: file:///D:/programi/SubtitleCreator/en/SubtitleCreator.resources.DLL
----------------------------------------

************** JIT Debugging **************
To enable just-in-time (JIT) debugging, the .config file for this
application or computer (machine.config) must have the
jitDebugging value set in the system.windows.forms section.
The application must also be compiled with debugging
enabled.

For example:

<configuration>
<system.windows.forms jitDebugging="true" />
</configuration>

When JIT debugging is enabled, any unhandled exception
will be sent to the JIT debugger registered on the computer
rather than be handled by this dialog box.

[manusse]

Could you please explain how this exception occured. What were you doing?

Cheers
Manusse

[iElectric]

Trying to insert .srt into dvd through that wizard... On this error i click continue but later at demuxing i get some ifo0 error and it aborts. I will try again tomorrow and make a screenshot.

[derebo]

hey! I'm not the only one! i keep getting this error all the time and I thought I was the only one! :( I didn't try it many times so I just expected a new release to "magically" fix it. All I remember is I followed instructions, just as iElectric states.

regards,

[manusse]

I just expected a new release to "magically" fix it
Please if anybody encounters such an error, do post in this thread. There is no magic at all. We can only fix bug that we can reproduce. There is no other means.

Otherwise, regarding your problem:
One of the things you must pay attention to is to put your original files in a path that doesn't use accentuated chars (like é, ...). Also don't use spaces (My documents...).

So choose a simple path for your files like C:\MYDVD.

Hope this helps
Manusse

[iElectric]

Could not find a part of the path
'I:\blabla\SC_TEMP\The.Notebook.sup'

http://shrani.si/files/screenshot1104275.jpg

And then at demuxing at 64%:

http://shrani.si/files/screenshot1104408.jpg

[manusse]

Hi iElectric,

I've already seen this kind of error before and it was related to the path of the files as I've mentioned before. However your path doesn't have any space or accentuated char.

Clearly, the error text states that it can't open one file.
Maybe the problem is due to the name of your sup. Could you change it so that there is no extra '.' in it.

'I:\blabla\SC_TEMP\The.Notebook.sup'

-->

'I:\blabla\SC_TEMP\The_Notebook.sup'


Just to check.

[EDIT]: Check also that your path is not read-only and that there is enough free space on your harddisk.
[EDIT2]: I've looked carefuly at your message and could finally reproduce the bug. I will tell you what's happening ASAP.
[EDIT3]: Finally, I've got it. You can avoid the error by putting your .SRT file in the SAME directory as your original DVD files. This should work: "It's a kind of magic..."

Cheers
Manusse

[Paddington]

@Paddington,
No, I am not trying to sub a TV-Serie. In this case I am trying to replace an existing sub (the French and 2nd on the DVD) with a Dutch sub.

I am not sure wich 'project file' you ment. In de SC_Temp dir. I have a VobBlanker.ini file, a LogFile.txt and a muxmanlog. I Assume you ment the VobBlanker.ini in wich I didn't see any errors (but what the hell do I know) I will copy and past it below. Maybe you see anything unusual. If it is the wrong file, please let me know.


Hi BoJangles (BTW, I'm also Dutch)

Looking at your VB.ini file, I think it's due to your filenames: choose a path which doesn't start with a _ and space. You can also try to open the VB.ini file in VB manually - maybe it will complain in that case, indicating that the folders cannot be read.

Hope this helps.

[Paddington]

Two questions:
1)Why when i choose DVD Author Wizard, the substream for the subtitle is Number 3 and Language to Romanian?
My DVD doesn't have any Sub.
Can we choose the Defaults to be 1 and (for example) English as language?

2) Is the subtitle we add to a DVD, enabled by default?
I mean, when i author a DVD from Scratch, i make a menu for Subtitles, with 2 selections, 1 ENABLE and another one OFF.
I have also enabled in my authoring program to have the subs allways eneble whenever you put it on DVD Player.

Does the Subs from SC, allways enebled ?

Thank you very much

Regards
About 1: Probably the IFO file does contain a reference to two subtitles, which is why your DVD starts with #3. It might also be that my processing of IFO's is not perfect, though, but it should normally be OK.
The preferred subtitle language can be set and saved - select your language using the drop down menu, press the floppy disk to save it, and next time, your preferred language should appear. Note that when you do that, all other settings will be saved too.

About 2: SC allows the automatic enabling of a subtitle (or rather, I should say that muxman allows that). However, if you use VB to restore the menus, it doesn't work anymore. So you can choose - either restore the menus using VB, or don't copy the menus and enable subtitles by default.

[iElectric]

manusse, thank you! This should be put in FAQ or even better let the program warn you about it. Thanks again.

BTW: what would be the easiest way to change picture for subtitles in menu from Swede to Slovenian?

I still get that stat0.ifo error:

http://shrani.si/files/screenshot1104408.jpg

Any idea what's wrong there?

24.02.2005 01:08 98.929 TheNotebook.srt
21.11.2006 16:45 <DIR> VIDEO_TS
28.09.2006 16:37 20.480 VIDEO_TS.BUP
28.09.2006 16:37 20.480 VIDEO_TS.IFO
28.09.2006 16:37 157.696 VIDEO_TS.VOB
28.09.2006 16:37 18.432 VTS_01_0.BUP
28.09.2006 16:37 18.432 VTS_01_0.IFO
28.09.2006 16:37 10.240 VTS_01_0.VOB
28.09.2006 16:37 71.680 VTS_01_1.VOB
28.09.2006 16:37 18.432 VTS_02_0.BUP
28.09.2006 16:37 18.432 VTS_02_0.IFO
28.09.2006 16:37 12.288 VTS_02_0.VOB
28.09.2006 16:37 20.480 VTS_02_1.VOB
28.09.2006 16:37 18.432 VTS_03_0.BUP
28.09.2006 16:37 18.432 VTS_03_0.IFO
28.09.2006 16:37 10.240 VTS_03_0.VOB
28.09.2006 16:37 61.440 VTS_03_1.VOB
28.09.2006 16:37 110.592 VTS_04_0.BUP
28.09.2006 16:37 110.592 VTS_04_0.IFO
28.09.2006 16:37 300.345.344 VTS_04_0.VOB
28.09.2006 16:37 1.073.739.776 VTS_04_1.VOB
28.09.2006 16:37 1.073.739.776 VTS_04_2.VOB
28.09.2006 16:37 1.073.739.776 VTS_04_3.VOB
28.09.2006 16:37 1.073.739.776 VTS_04_4.VOB
28.09.2006 16:37 72.544.256 VTS_04_5.VOB
28.09.2006 16:37 22.528 VTS_05_0.BUP
28.09.2006 16:37 22.528 VTS_05_0.IFO
28.09.2006 16:37 10.240 VTS_05_0.VOB
28.09.2006 16:37 133.120 VTS_05_1.VOB
28.09.2006 16:37 18.432 VTS_06_0.BUP
28.09.2006 16:37 18.432 VTS_06_0.IFO
28.09.2006 16:37 10.240 VTS_06_0.VOB
28.09.2006 16:37 71.680 VTS_06_1.VOB
28.09.2006 16:37 18.432 VTS_07_0.BUP
28.09.2006 16:37 18.432 VTS_07_0.IFO
28.09.2006 16:37 10.240 VTS_07_0.VOB
28.09.2006 16:37 10.240 VTS_07_1.VOB
37 File(s) 4.669.028.977 bytes

[manusse]

This should be put in FAQ or even better let the program warn you about it

Actually it's a bug that's been discovered thanks to your report. I will try to fix it for the next release 2.1.

[EDIT]: I've fixed it for version 2.1

About your current problem:
Could you please PM me the following files from your SC_TEMP directory:

LogFile.txt
muxmanlog
VobBlanker.ini

If you have question about changing the menu ..., I think this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/forumdisplay.php?f=61)is more appropriate.

Thanks
Manusse

[iElectric]

What version of vobblanker should i use?

Here are the files.
http://www.rarhost.com/download-tlpatn.html

[manusse]

I've looked at your files. I see no error message in the logs.

The authoring process involves:
1°) SC for creating the SUP file from your SRT
2°) pgcdemux for demuxing your DVD
3°) muxman for remuxing it
4°) vobblanker to recreate the menues.

It seems the problem is at the last step.

Does your harddisk hold enough free space (I think 3 times the DVD size is recommended)?

You could try the wizard and unclick the "Keep the menu by replacing ..." to see if it works. Then, if you need to keep the menus, try to finish the job by hand using Vobblanker.

I use version v2.1.1.0 RC1 of VB. The last one should also work although I didn't test it.

Cheers
Manusse

[iElectric]

I have plenty of space (250gb).

Yes, vobblaneker is the problem. I tried two different dvds, so the dvd isn't the problem. I will try as you said and will report it to you tomorrow.

PS: I did as you said. I used vobblanker extra after the authoring.. It worked well. But when i play the movie there are no slovenian subs that i inserted.

[redia]

I have 3 questions and 1 comment :

question 1 :
sorry if I missed it
but I would like to know what support you plan to implement for vobsub.

as you are probably aware no tools does exist to render multiple SRT languages to a vobsub file (idx/sub) while this would be pretty handy to a lot of standalone player owners who have to manually change the srt filename when they want to have a different subtitle....

right now I worked on 2 differents procedure to do that.
if you like full control :
SC : converting srt to sup
muxman : muxing a blank bmp (with a long duration) with the sup
vobsub or vsrip : to extract the idx/sub from the created VOB

if you like ease of use (but you need a blank/fake dvd file ready):
SC : dvdwizard tool to mux srt directly to the ifo
vobsub or vsrip : to extract the idx/sub

question 2 :
is there a possibility of batching the conversion ?
i.e. i have a bunch of SRT, I would like to convert them all in SUP.....


question 3 :
I saw on your sourceforge page that you had your first donation.. congratulation !!!
but I didn't know we can donate (checked on the soft help menu or everywhere else...)
I discovered your tools not so long ago, but from what I see it will very probably end-up beeing the only srt convertion tool I will use, therefore I would love to contribute somehow...


comments :
I am no subtitle expert.
but I have been trying to check everything I could find for srt to sup (to idx/sub as you understood from my first question) solution.
and yours is really great. or at least it fits my needs so I would like to really thank you for your great work...

Cheers,
Redia

[manusse]

Hi redia,

but I would like to know what support you plan to implement for vobsub.


SUP and SUB/IDX (Vobsub) files are not very different from each other. Only the headers are different and there is some extra padding in the SUB/IDX files.

So I have proposed to Paddington to add the SUB/IDX support to SubtitleCreator and he accepted. I've currently finished it but there remains some bugs in other parts and GUI updates that would be interesting before releasing the new 2.1 version.

What kind of support will the SUB/IDX offer?

Let me answer with a simple diagram showing which kind of subtitle you can convert to which kind:

SC 2.0.6:
SRT, SUB, SUP --> SUP


SC 2.1
SRT, SUB, SUP, SUB/IDX --> SUP, SUB/IDX

When opening a VobSub file, the idx file will not be needed. If it is present, it will be used to retrieve the DVD palette, to specify which subtitles to use, and their starting time. If it is not present, SC will use the values in the sub files (only the palette isn't present). It will even be possible to regenerate an idx file this way.

is there a possibility of batching the conversion ?


SC has a command line interface, just type "SubtitleCreator -help" (with the correct path) in a DOS box.

Cheers
Manusse

[iElectric]

I still can not get this working. Even if I do menus individual, subtitles are the same as default in the DVD. I do the step as it should have been done.. Any ideas? I will make video file if there isn't anything else to do.

[redia]

Hi redia,



SUP and SUB/IDX (Vobsub) files are not very different from each other. Only the headers are different and there is some extra padding in the SUB/IDX files.

So I have proposed to Paddington to add the SUB/IDX support to SubtitleCreator and he accepted. I've currently finished it but there remains some bugs in other parts and GUI updates that would be interesting before releasing the new 2.1 version.

What kind of support will the SUB/IDX offer?

Let me answer with a simple diagram showing which kind of subtitle you can convert to which kind:

SC 2.0.6:
SRT, SUB, SUP --> SUP


SC 2.1
SRT, SUB, SUP, SUB/IDX --> SUP, SUB/IDX

When opening a VobSub file, the idx file will not be needed. If it is present, it will be used to retrieve the DVD palette, to specify which subtitles to use, and their starting time. If it is not present, SC will use the values in the sub files (only the palette isn't present). It will even be possible to regenerate an idx file this way.



SC has a command line interface, just type "SubtitleCreator -help" (with the correct path) in a DOS box.

Cheers
Manusse


Manusse,

thank you very much for your quick answer
I can't believe I missed the command line prompt... duh ;)

about the idx/sub support, thank you for the clarification.
only one point stays unanswered.... will we be able to add automatically multiple languages in one idx/sub file ?

if you need a beta tester for the sub/idx part (or anything else) do not hesitate to contact me.


what about the donation possibility ? you did not answer this part.

once again thank you very much for your quick answer.

Cheers,
R.

[manusse]

Hi again,

Paddington (erikvullings on SourceForge) is the creator and programmer of SubtitleCreator. I am just helping him out.

So please donate to him through SourceForge. I think one way is to go to this page (http://sourceforge.net/users/erikvullings/) and click on Make a donation.
Maybe there is another way, then Erik will tell you in this thread.

About your question:
will we be able to add automatically multiple languages in one idx/sub file

That's true that I didn't write about this point. So let me answer what the status is at present.

When you will open a sub/idx file with SC, it will only read the first subtitle stream. If you want to read another part, use VobSubStrip to extract the part you want to open.

At present, when writing, you will only be able to write one sub/idx file with one language in it. If you need more, please explain what you would like, for which use, how you expect it to work and I may have a look at it, depending on the needs and the difficulty of the task.

Cheers
Manusse

[manusse]

Even if I do menus individual, subtitles are the same as default in the DVD

Maybe your subtitles are not ON? (I don't remember how to put them ON but there's a way)
Also some DVDs don't allow to change the subtitles'language when playing but only from the main menu. And as you've just inserted your subs, maybe you can't turn them ON?

Did you have a look with DVDsubedit to see if your subtitles were successfuly inserted?
Or use pgcdemux to demux your DVD and see if you can see your inserted stream.
If one of those is successfull, it's just a matter of putting them ON.

Cheers
Manusse

[redia]

When you will open a sub/idx file with SC, it will only read the first subtitle stream. If you want to read another part, use VobSubStrip to extract the part you want to open.

At present, when writing, you will only be able to write one sub/idx file with one language in it. If you need more, please explain what you would like, for which use, how you expect it to work and I may have a look at it, depending on the needs and the difficulty of the task.

Cheers
Manusse

Manusse,

thank you again for taking the time to answer.

if you could help me in reaching my goal I would really appreciate.

for all my vids I have multiple srt subtitles i.e.
movie.avi
movie.fr.srt
movie.en.srt
movie.es.srt

the naming convention that I use can be changed and it doesn't really matter when I am using that on my pc.
but when I start using them on my standalone player the SRT file must have the EXACT same name as the video file. i.e.
movie.srt

therefore I can have only one file named this way. so I have to choose which language I want as a subtitle before launch the player... and you can imagine how "stupid" that is.

the solution is using idx/sub files... as they are handled by my SAP (Stand Alone Player)...
so I started to look into solutions for building IDX/sub from SRT....

A couple of solution do exist... (srt2vobsub for exemple) but all the tools I found would only allow me to take ONE srt and render it to the vobsub file... therefore it is more or less "useless" for me.

digging into the problem I started looking at what did exist to reach a multiple language vobsub file (I mean starting from what I wanted and looking at what gave this result)
and here is the fastest process that I found :
idx/sub <--- ifo/vob <--- sup <--- srt

so I checked what tools I would need to do that.. and I finally handpicked .
srt --(subtitle creator)--> sup --(muxman)--> ifo/vob --(vsrip or directly vobsub)--> idx/sub

so it is 3 actions... and the last part cannot (or I did not find yet) be batched.
(for the first two, thanks to you I now know how to script SC, and muxman is the easiest thing on earth to script...)

so knowing that SC will handle srt --> idx/sub I was wondering if you could plan something to handle multiple streams..

another option (which could be easier to implement) would be to have a small tools that muxes multiple idx/sub to one idx/sub.

I am not sure I am totally clear, but this post is already pretty long and probably very boring so I will leave it up to you if you need a clarification..


I know I am repeating myself but I really thank you for taking the time to read all my posts,
Cheers,
R.

PS : the "bonus" would be that if you implement multiple language support for "export" it will also provide you with the routine to provide multiple language support for "importing" the vobsub file, therefore allowing people to delete vobsubstip from their computer ;)
personally I am not in need for this option as I mainly use subrip for the "reserve processing". but I am sure it would be an added value to the already awesome tool that SC is.

PS2 : I found the donation button, it is on top right of the SC project page (http://sourceforge.net/projects/subtitlecreator).. it is a really small button that's why I missed it. I was only looking in the software, that's why I didn't see it.. thanks..

[manusse]

I am not sure I am totally clear

Your post is very clear and it was a pleasure to read it.

So I think I am now convinced it could be interesting to add this multiple languages output function even if I don't clearly see how I will implement it. Also, this would not be for V2.1 which will be out in a few days. However this would be on the condition that you help me beta-test this new function.

We can continue discussing the specs for this function here as other people may have slightly different needs and they could give use their advices.

I propose that when you try to save a srt or a sup to a sub/idx file, if the sub/idx file you choose already exists, SC will ask you if you want to overwrite the already existing sub/idx files or if you want to add your binary subtitle at the end of this sub/idx file. What do you think? Would it be OK or do you have a better suggestion?

Regarding opening a multiple language file, I propose that SC asks you which stream you want to open because it is not able to manage more than one stream at a time. What do you think?

Thanks again for your support

Cheers
Manusse

[redia]

However this would be on the condition that you help me beta-test this new function.

you can count on me. but you do not know were you are heading I can be a real pain in beta testing I love finding weird problems...

We can continue discussing the specs for this function here as other people may have slightly different needs and they could give use their advices.
I fully agree with you... the more feedback the better it is.
but I will pm you my email for the ease of beta testing.

I propose that when you try to save a srt or a sup to a sub/idx file, if the sub/idx file you choose already exists, SC will ask you if you want to overwrite the already existing sub/idx files or if you want to add your binary subtitle at the end of this sub/idx file. What do you think? Would it be OK or do you have a better suggestion?
that is a neat idea. I really like it.
but we could also plan a function in the "tools" menu which allows you to select a bunch of files (srt, sup or idx) and directly mux them. anyway let's keep that for next step and work on making it work first, the rest should be easy to do when we figure out how it works.

Regarding opening a multiple language file, I propose that SC asks you which stream you want to open because it is not able to manage more than one stream at a time. What do you think?
I do not see a better way to handle that. it makes total sense to deal with only one stream...
maybe we could consider the possibility of selecting multiple streams which would be dealt with one after the other
(i.e. a vobsub file with 10 streams.... you could select 3 which would then be saved in SUP... that's just a quick thought)

Thanks again for your support
are you kidding me, I am the one thanking you...

Cheers,
Redia

PS : I recall seeing a couple of post about the structure of the vobsub file, I will try to find them and share them with you...

edit : here is one interesting post http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=100110

[redia]

so I checked what tools I would need to do that.. and I finally handpicked .
srt --(subtitle creator)--> sup --(muxman)--> ifo/vob --(vsrip or directly vobsub)--> idx/sub

so it is 3 actions... and the last part cannot (or I did not find yet) be batched.
(for the first two, thanks to you I now know how to script SC, and muxman is the easiest thing on earth to script...)


I am feeling more and more stupid as the days are going by.
the solution for scripting the last part is SSSSSOOOO simple...

after installind vobsub check in the installation directory (by default C:\Program Files\Gabest\VobSub) you will find a doc folder. Everything is in the vobsub-auto.txt file...
# usage: rundll32 vobsub.dll,Configure <paramfile>
#
# inputpath\vts_01_0.ifo (inputpath\vts_01_*.vob exist)
# outputpath\onlythefiletitlehere (outputpath can be the same as the inputpath)
# 1 .. n
# - - - > selects the program chain (set the same pgc you did at the dvd ripper program)
# 0, 1 .. 9
# - - - > 0: indexes everything (not recommended for multi-angle dvds)
# - - - > 1 .. n: only processes vob/cell ids from this angle
# 0 .. en .. cc .. ALL (can be mixed)
# - - - > 0-31: stream number
# - - - > en, hu, fr, ..: stream id
# - - - > cc: closed caption
# - - - > ALL: everything
# CLOSE:
# - - - > the progress dialog will close itself after finishing (optional)
# SHOW:
# - - - > shows config dialog when complete (optional)
#
# example:
# ---------- cut here and remove comment signs ----------
# e:\video_ts\vts_01_0.ifo
# c:\vts\example1
# 1
# 0
# 1 en 3 hu fr 9 cc
# SHOW
# ---------- cut here ends ----------
#
# another example:
# ---------- cut here and remove comment signs ----------
# e:\video_ts\vts_01_0.ifo
# c:\vts\example2
# 6
# 2
# ALL
# CLOSE
# ---------- cut here ends ----------
#
# That's it!
#
# (this is not a new functionality anymore, but still use it at your on risk :-)


works like a charm....

Redia

[Paddington]

SubtitleCreator (http://subtitlecreator.sourceforge.net/) has just released a new beta, v2.1b1, which contains some interesting new features. As it's a beta, there might be new bugs, so please let me know if you find them.

New features include:

Read and write VobSub files (sub/idx) the same way as sup files and create a VobSub file directly from a srt or sub (text) file. It can also open a sup file and write it to a sub/idx file or do the opposite (Open a VobSub (sub/idx) file and write it to a sup file). If you have a vobsub file (.sub) without the associated .idx file (or the idx is broken), you can use SubtitleCreator to generate a new one. Go to Tools->Manipulate Sup. Open your IFO file if you have it (just for the color palette), open your sub file and save it as sub, SubtitleCreator will automatically generate the corresponding idx file for you. You can even use VobSub files with the DVD authoring wizard and create them using the Command Line Interface. For the moment, can only input VobSub files extracted using VSRip, wether they include mutiple streams or not. Also allows to add your subtitle stream at the end of an existing VobSub file.
Added tool to invoke Google translate to automatically translate subtitles
Using Microsoft Office 2003, implementation of OCR to convert SUP to SRT.
Support for covering or concealing hard-coded subtitles in a DVD by overlaying them with a non-transparent (black) background. After a manual chapter switch, you have to wait till the first subtitle arrives before it becomes effective (subtitles have no stop time, but need to start).
Added support in the DVD wizard for wav and mpa files
Automatic selection of the preferred palette when there is no existing subtitle stream in the original DVD. This will avoid black/green subtitles.
Added three new command buttons: set the font for a single subtitle, increase and decrease fonts


Bug fixes:

SC no longer crashes upon encountering the <font "#0000FF">This is in blue</font> tag
Automatic replacement of non-markup < and > with <s lt/>, <s gt/> or &lt; and &gt;
Fixed selection of manual when no culture is set, select the language that belongs to the current GUI culture
No more exception when playing a 2 subs SRT/SUB file with overlay.
The vertical position of the profiles is now correctly saved and retrieved
In the result of the DVD authoring wizard audio streams were sometimes mixed.
An incorrect subtitle file generating an exception will not be automatically reloaded at startup.
When opening a sup file and writing it, some sup durations were slightly changed. This should not be the case anymore.
When translating subtitles (in the tools menu), you can now properly scale the window, read an IFO, and save it, even if it was not complete (requires to unselect Clean up spaces during load - must be fixed)
The "Show actual output" setting is now correctly restored at startup.
When using the DVD authoring wizard, SRT files can now be used even if they are not in the same Directory as the original DVD files.


Edit on Sunday 24 December: The beta version contained a bug, which I have just fixed. Please give it another go!

[Moneo]

I'm trying to use SubtitleCreator 2.0.6 to add subtitles to an NTSC movie. However, the generated .sup file ends up out of sync with the DVD, although the source .srt is perfectly synchronized. Moreover, if I open the .sup in DVDSubEdit, the timing is off compared to what's displayed in SubtitleCreator. The speed is increased by a factor of 24/23,796, so e.g. a timecode of 01:43:47,895 ends up as 01:43:41,673.

Is this a bug, or am I doing something wrong?

[Paddington]

Manusse improved the VobSub function, and it now also supports VobSub Configure: test it for yourself in the latest beta (v2.1b4).

[derebo]

hi,

I am having serious problems with a 16:9 PS (pan&scan) flick and creating those subtitles. I don't know it it's subtitlecreator, muxman, the flick itself or myself. I get those subs nicely displayed on the computer dvd player both in 16:9 and 4:3 hidding the hardcoded subs but somehow they do not show in the same position when played on the standalone dvd player at the living room with a 16:9 LCD TV or 4:3 TV !!! Strangely enough...

The thread is here:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=120588
for those willing to have a look at /cooperate / being-having been in a situation alike...

Thank you in advance!

[Mtz]

Regarding timmings I see a difference between 3 programs.
Example of first line of the subtitle:
00:01:54,299 (DVDSubEdit) << The difference is not sesizable.
00:01:54,323 (SubRip) << This is the correct value.
00:01:54,414 (SubtitleCreator) << More than 100 ms delay than DVDSubEdit.
Source was a NTSC DVD.

enjoy,
Mtz

[manusse]

Hi Mtz,

Could you please explain what you are comparing?
Do you mean the values whowed by each program when opening the same SUP file?

Cheers
Manusse

[Mtz]

I've OCR-ed the srt with DVDSubEdit and SubRip. Than I compared the tiimings with the sup file from SC.
Try to make the same things I made to check for differences. Load a NTSC movie and try it.

enjoy,
Mt

[BigCondor]

I have discovered this before. The difference would be much bigger if the source is drop-frame. Recently I did another comparison when an idx/sub gave me a negative time base (time of the subtitle starts from something like -1:xx:xx,xxx thru' positive value in last line). SC and DVDSubEdit gave me correct but different values while subrip would only recognise the last line, all negative values in idx/sub were gone.

[manusse]

@Mtz,

Sorry to insist but don't be too short in your answer. Could you please carefuly explain what you've done.

What was the whole process? To my knowledge, SubRip can't OCR Sup files.

My questions:
-How did you rip your original subtitle (SUP, I suppose?) ? (pgcdemux, ...?)
-How did you OCR it with subrip? Did you convert it to sub/idx? How?

Also, as it is a NTSC DVD, I can't help thinking about this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=110212) that you also know.

Cheers
Manusse

[BigCondor]

@ manusse,

Thanks for the information, the thread certainly needs some time to digest.

As a sidenote, why were negative timings present in the idx/sub files?

[phammy]

re:SC Subtitle filter

Hi Paddington/Manusse,
Hi Paddington---
I am very new to this. I am very excited about Subtitle Creator! My girlfriend lives in Paris and there are many movies I want to bring with me when I visit, but many movies don't have French subtitles.

I have been getting the error message indicating I need to install SC Subtitle filter. This happens in the middle of using the Wizard. After I select the DVD file, subtitle file... I get the error when it goes to the main page to preview the video. Am I doing something wrong? I've reinstalled SC (both v2_0_6 and v2_1_b5) several times and can see in the installation log that SC Subtitle filter is extracted. I am working in Windows XP and am wondering what are the software requirements to run SC?
I have installed:
- .NETv2
- PgcDemux
- MuxMan
- VobBlanker
- PowerDVD
I reread your post again concerning CLVSD.ax---do I need to manually install this? Is this causing the error?

Thanks very much in advance.
Yung

[manusse]

Hi phammy,

Normally you need to have powerdvd 4 or 6 installed on your computer to be able to preview your subs on top of your DVD. This is not needed for the wizard and your error message seems to be related to the filter installation.

What you can do is either install PDVD or unvalid the overlay function of SubtitleCreator (Settings -> Overlay Subtitles ... : Uncheck this option and choose Settings -> Save Settings). Then try the wizard again.

Cheers
Manusse

[phammy]

Manusse---cool, thanks. I have PDVD 7 (came with my drive) but will search for 4 or 6. I remember reading some posts on this thread saying PDVD 7 does not work.
much thanks again----

[phammy]

Hi---
I receive an error message 3/4 of the way through the DVD writing process when VobBlanker starts up.
(X) ERROR: Ifo has more than one PGC: Unsupported C:\Reservoir_Dogs\VIDEO_TX\VTS_01_0.IFO
(i have it screen captured but do not know how to post it on this forum)
any suggestions? I was using VobBlanker v.2.1.2.0----but just downloaded VobBlanker v.2.1.1.0, will give it a try, will that make any difference? thx

@ manusse
I have PDVD 6 installed on my computer but the overlays preview is still not working. One can still generate a working DVD with subtitles without this feature?
From Paddington's first post he says: "...you need to have CLVSD.ax (comes with PowerDVD) registered on your system using "regsvr32 path\CLVSD.ax"" I have it on my system, but what does it mean "...using "regsvr32 path/CLVSD.ax"" --- I'm sorry I'm so new to this, any help would be greatly appreciated.
cheers---

[manusse]

Regarding your error message:
As VobBlanker is only needed to keep the original menus, this means that you should already have a DVD with the subtitles but without the menus. You can try the wizard again and uncheck the Keep the menu ...

Regarding your second question:
I confirm you don't need the preview to generate a working DVD with subtitle. The preview is only here to allow you to check the aspects of your subtitles before actually demuxing and remuxing the DVD. CLVSD.ax is only needed for the preview.

Cheers
Manusse

[mikegun]

hi,

I have a question regarding the synchronize feature.
I'm loading two srt files, where I would use the timing of file 1 and the language of file 2.
right now it seems like I have to manually add a link for each line.
Is it somehow possible to synchronize all lines at once ?

kind regards,

mike

[Paddington]

I'm loading two srt files, where I would use the timing of file 1 and the language of file 2.
right now it seems like I have to manually add a link for each line.
Is it somehow possible to synchronize all lines at once ?

Hi Mike, maybe I'm missing your point: load subtitle 1, open subtitle 2 via the sync window, select a line near the top of subtitle 1 (right), and the corresponding translation (left) and click Add Link. Do the same near the end of file 1. Finally, press synchronize, and all subtitles will be linearly adjusted (following a function like y=ax+b).

[mikegun]

I'll test this asap ... thanks

edit: it works like you described it, but the timings are not the same. I was hoping to get the exact same timings.
what I tried to achieve was to have the timings from file 1 with the text from file 2

[Denaan]

First, just wanted to say thanks for this great tool. It's already helped me just by synchronizing my subs with the originals from my DVD, and i can play the DVD fine on my PC by loading the newly synched subs separately.

But i have a few problems when trying to mux the synced subs to create a modified DVD.

When i try to view the subs overlayed in the DVD player in SC, i get a black screen, but i can hear the audio. If i switch to Select DVD Decoder --> Preferred by System, i can view the film, but i don't see the subs.

This is still true after I followed the prompt's suggestion and downloaded K-Lite codec pack, ran the installer, and uninstalled other codecs. I can now watch DVDs and other media okay in MPlayer. There doesn't seem to be a filter issue -- CLVSD.ax is in the filters directory in the K-Lite program file, so i'm assuming it's active (any way to check this?)

BTW, i can view the Swedish subs on my DVD in MPlayer, loading them from the DVD's menu they look good.

I tried using the DVD Authoring Wizard, loaded my srt file and the DVD, unchecked "keep the menu" and checked "turn on subs by default". The authoring process aborted at around 45%, and when i checked the Muxman log, the last line reads:

Failed to open subpicture file C:\SIGN OF THE VIRGIN temp\SC_TEMP\virgin_eng.sup

The only .sup files in the SC_TEMP directory are Subpictures_24.sup and Subpictures_25.sup. Both appear to be Swedish (i viewed them by using the sychronize function), presumably one is fullscreen and the other widescreen (?), but there was no English .sup file created. I used muxman twice to mux the demuxed audio and video with one of two .sup files: first with the Swedish, next with an English binary i extracted from my .srt file using SC (loading the color palette from the DVD, of course). Both times when i viewed the resulting DVD files in MPlayer, the subs were a strange coloration with purple and green, not the black and white of the original Swedish subs.

The colors listed in the SC "set subtitles colors" box are: 09, 03, 02, 08 (first has "Transp." checked).

Two questions:

What can i do to troubleshoot SC's DVD viewer and watch the overlayed subs?

Why are the colors from the original subs not being used when muxing the .sup files created by SC?

Thanks for any insights into this.

[manusse]

What can i do to troubleshoot SC's DVD viewer and watch the overlayed subs?
You can read this post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=844345#post844345) and check what I've answered, and tell me what you got.
Also SC's overlay function is working only with versions 4 and 6 of PowerDVD's filter (CLVSD.ax) and also with Fraunhofer's one.
Why are the colors from the original subs not being used when muxing the .sup files created by SC?
Normally it should occur only if the palette used for generating the SUP file from the SRT is not the one of the DVD but you mention that you opened the IFO before. With the 2.1 version of SC, you can export and import the palette used so you can easily chexk that the palette of the original DVD and the one used to create the SUP are the same. Just export them to the .mxp format and you can see the value of the palette as text files. I think you made some mistake somewhere. Please try again.

You should also be able to see that there is a palette problem the following way:
Go to Tools -> Manipulate...
Open the IFO of the original DVD
Open the SUP file
The colors you see should be the strange colors you've notices.


Cheers
Manusse

[LeMoi]

Moving subtitles don't seem to work.
I opened idx/sub, changed position (added some pixels from bottom), saved them, and played a file with these subs, they still were at original position. When i opended the saved file again with SC, they didn't move :/

Here is an example :
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VT1Y0W00
eng.idx is original, eng_2.idx is modified file. Can you see the difference ?

[manusse]

Moving subtitles don't seem to work.
It's because it's not supported. Is it really a needed feature?
Actually the position used is the one in the sub file.

Cheers
Manusse

[LeMoi]

Ow, I saw the option, i thought it worked :D
Did you see the sample ? these subs are actually at the bottom of the picture, and the movie is 2.35 AR, so it's not easy to see movie AND subtitles in the same time.
Anyway the best way is to try :p

And yes, i think this feature would be useful ^^

[manusse]

Actually it depends what we are talking about. The "change vertical offset" in the Tools -> manipulate ... is working. Just make sure you click the All button if you want it to be used for all the subs.

I meant the "org: 0, 0" parameter of the idx file is not used by SubtitleCreator.

I hope it's clear. Do you think you still need this option to be supported by SubtitleCreator?

Cheers
Manusse

[let]

Hi, I've downloaded SubtitleCreator v2.1 to add subtitles to a DVD. My DVD files are:

- VIDEO_TS.BUP
- VIDEO_TS.IFO
- VIDEO_TS.VOB
- VTS_01_0.BUP
- VTS_01_0.IFO
- VTS_01_0.VOB
- VTS_02_0.BUP
- VTS_02_0.IFO
- VTS_02_0.VOB
- VTS_02_1.VOB
- VTS_02_2.VOB
- VTS_02_3.VOB
- VTS_02_4.VOB

When using the DVD authoring wizard, I got the same message phammy did: "ERROR: Ifo has more than one PGC".
I really want to keep the menus, so, are there anything I can do?

Thanks!

[manusse]

I think you have to do it by yourself (not with the wizard). Look here:
http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1601289&forum_id=410032
Cheers
Manusse

[let]

Thanks! I did it using PgcDemux, Muxman and Vobblanker, one by one, and It worked just fine! My problem is solved :)

[derebo]

hi,

can colors (background, primary...) in subtitlecreator be applied individually or to all subtitles?
i'd like to know whether i can have one subtitle with eg. green primary color and transparent background and e.g. next one yellow primary color and pink background. it should look weird but that's an e.g. after all :)
i have tried doing it by toggling "apply to all subs" on and off with no success. subtitle postion works, colors seemingly not. any help is greatly appreciated.

greetings,

[derebo]

hi,

i have noticed that when creating subs with black background box a pixel at the top left corner is displayed as white. This happens all the time. Please, see capture and check. Is there any way to have that pixel turn black?

greetings,

[Mtz]

Hi Mike, maybe I'm missing your point: load subtitle 1, open subtitle 2 via the sync window, select a line near the top of subtitle 1 (right), and the corresponding translation (left) and click Add Link. Do the same near the end of file 1. Finally, press synchronize, and all subtitles will be linearly adjusted (following a function like y=ax+b).
Sometimes just using link for the first and latest lines is not enough and we need to use another links. But how do you know how to find the best links, because not all are good for sync?
The best links are the ones which come after a large amount of time of no lines (nobody speaking in the movie because of action).
I hope Paddington will find a way for creating a button "Find the best links". The program will search for the lines which will start after a large time of no speaking in the movie. More than that, something that user will choose for the amount of "Best Links", (minimum 2, and maybe up to 20). The "Best links" found to be marked (maybe high-lightning with another color?) on the left side.

Real sample. (http://www.sendspace.com/file/u7remx)
After downloading you'll find 3 subtitles from a real example. The name give you the way for testing. In the subtitles are some lines which contain these words "BEST LINK". Use them for testing. You can already test the link function of SC and compare with the "Not sync subtitle - with the real sync.srt".
The delay in the subtitle is linear. So if you use the first and latest line will give you an already sync subtitle. I inserted the other lines just if Paddington want to add this feature when the program will search for "Best Links". If choosing 7, I hope to be found the same lines as the ones marked by me.

enjoy,
Mtz

[Mtz]

Sorry for bumping but I uploaded the sample files again because I think was needed pair of links and not just simple links lines.

Example:
177
00:09:34,213 --> 00:09:36,173
BEST LINK 3A

178
00:09:59,813 --> 00:10:02,020
BEST LINK 3B

...

361
00:20:23,083 --> 00:20:27,921
BEST LINK 5A

362
00:21:30,446 --> 00:21:33,157
BEST LINK 5B

After testing the function in SubtitleCreator I saw that always the "A" link was reduced with 5 frames of duration.
Also I forgot to ask the most important thing: can this be done? Also will be nice a search function also on the left.

enjoy,
Mtz

[FitzGerald]

I have a bug report. I've been using STC for a month. I'm converting .srt-->VobSub. Thank you for making an awesome free tool for all of us to use.

I'm having a problem with getting subtitles to span > 2 lines. I set the font at Arial, 18, Bold and set # of lines to be 4. If the subtitle ends up spanning more than 2 lines, the font gets reduced until it fits 2 lines. So Ill be watching everything fine, and then there will be some really small subs that follow.

It's almost like inputting 4 lines . In the documentation this is mentioned as a feature... but for some reason it's not working on my machine.

After doing some testing I see it looks like it's a combination of going to the next line on the .srt file that is screwing things up. If the subtitle includes carriage return, stc keeps the text on 2 lines, and will shrink the font. This is useful if the return separates dialogue, but not so much if the .srt is trying to manually go to the next line.

Is this the intent of your program? I'm glad I understand why the font ended up shrinking.

[Paddington]

hi,

can colors (background, primary...) in subtitlecreator be applied individually or to all subtitles?
i'd like to know whether i can have one subtitle with eg. green primary color and transparent background and e.g. next one yellow primary color and pink background. it should look weird but that's an e.g. after all :)
i have tried doing it by toggling "apply to all subs" on and off with no success. subtitle postion works, colors seemingly not. any help is greatly appreciated.

greetings,
Currently, this feature is not supported - however, I am currently working on a Karaoke feature (using the 0x07 CHG_COLCON DVD feature), and this will allow you to highlight one word at a time. Would that be sufficient for your needs, or do you need to highlight a whole sentence too (in that case, for what purpose)?

[Paddington]

hi,

i have noticed that when creating subs with black background box a pixel at the top left corner is displayed as white. This happens all the time. Please, see capture and check. Is there any way to have that pixel turn black?
greetings,
Hmm, this might be a bug - I will try to reproduce it and see what's causing it...

[derebo]

Currently, this feature is not supported - however, I am currently working on a Karaoke feature (using the 0x07 CHG_COLCON DVD feature), and this will allow you to highlight one word at a time. Would that be sufficient for your needs, or do you need to highlight a whole sentence too (in that case, for what purpose)?

hi, that karaoke feature looks promising, so i'm looking forward to testing it. one character at a time might be smoother, i think.

let me explain the purpose. imagine a film, audio in komi-permyak but some characters at some points speak in nivkh. the nivkh dialogues are hardsubbed. i want transparent background all the time but when nivkh is spoken (and so hardcoded subs are to be hidden). dvdsubedit allows playing with transparency, so that might be an option. also, background color applied individually might be an option too. hope this is clarifying enough.

greetings!

[derebo]

Currently, this feature is not supported - however, I am currently working on a Karaoke feature (using the 0x07 CHG_COLCON DVD feature), and this will allow you to highlight one word at a time. Would that be sufficient for your needs, or do you need to highlight a whole sentence too (in that case, for what purpose)?

Hmm, this might be a bug - I will try to reproduce it and see what's causing it...

hi, if you need source material i could provide you with a clip. i just can't tell under which circumstances it happens. I just know it does when black baground box in on.

greetings,

[Paddington]

A message to the brave. I've just released a beta version of SubtitleCreator (http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=120228)with support for Karaoke. You can specify the color in the menu, and the region using as follows:

<k>Ka</k>raoke

At the moment, it has only support for one color, and one rectangular region, i.e. the part between <k> and </k> has to be on the same line. In the manipulate sup tool, you should be able to view the results, but it will not save that information yet if you decide to modify it.

Please give it a go, and let me know what bugs you!

[GrofLuigi]

A message to the brave. I've just released a beta version of SubtitleCreator (http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=120228)...

It can't be downloaded from at least 2 european mirrors (file incomplete/truncated). Subsequent downloads show the same size (approx. 125.xxx bytes), so it means the file on the server is bad. Could you please check?

GL

[Paddington]

Thanks for that - I hadn't noticed, but have uploaded a new file just now. Please give it another go (it worked for me)!

[GrofLuigi]

It's OK now!

GL

[Chris K]

Hello Paddington,

I would like to use "SubtitleCreator" to generate streams for my DVD Authoring program.

It expects plain files of DVD "Sub-Picture Packs" like "vobsub" files with no special
headers or format.

Actually I expected that "Vobsub" streams were compatible but when I take a look at them
in "VobEdit", this reports a "unknown stream" at the place where normally padding streams
are added. Note that it take a while before "VobEdit" shows them.

Is this a bug in your program or has the "Vobsub" stream format its own deviations?
The "pack header" and "privat stream 1" within the "vobsub" packs are entirely compatible.

If it is no bug, could you add a output format which is compatible with the standard
DVD subtitle stream.

My authoring program has restriction on creating subtitles and I think You will make
a lot of people (including me) happy with this.

Chris K.

[manusse]

What DVD Authoring software are you using?
Maybe you can use SUP files instead of VobSub files. They are quite the same but without padding.
See here (http://www.ifoedit.com/subpform.html) for the SUP file format.

Cheers
Manusse

[Chris K]

I'v tried the sup format but it doesn't work. It starts with a SP header while the Vobsub and DVD format are only contigious "sub-picture packs".

I use DVDLab which creates such streams from srt files. The drawback is that it don't support control characters. You can set e.g. italics lines manually but if you have to reload the srt because of a typo, you have to do it all over again.

"SubtitleCreator" creates beautiful antialiased subtitles and positioning is much more acurate. I now use DVDSubEdit for better positioning which works on the IFO files and VOB's but you can't create sub-picture streams with it.

Chris.

[manusse]

The VobSub files produced by SubtitleCreator can be used by all the VobSub tools and by the players accepting VobSub subtitles. So I don't understand in what way they are not conform with standart VobSub subtitles.

Did you also try using subtitles directly extracted with VSRip to see if they work?

Cheers
Manusse

[Edit] DVDLab Pro doesn't seem to accept VobSub subtitles: http://www.mediachance.com/dvdlab/helppro2/index.html?subtitles.htm

[Chris K]

What the DVDLab link shows is the sub-stream generator. Indeed this accepts only text formats like srt.
This tool creates a "sp1" file on disk that is compatible with the standard dvd sub-picture stream. Then this stream is used in the main authoring program. You there can put anything you like (and try if it works). I ripped a sub-stream from a DVD with SmartRipper, renamed the extension to "sp1" and it is accepted by DVDLab.

If you have VobEdit please compare a Vobsub stream with a DVD rip. You'll see that the only difference is the padding stream which in a Vobsub also contains only 0xFF data but is reported as a unknown stream. Probably because of a stream ID difference.

Chris.

[manusse]

Ok, I'll have a look. Look at your PM please.

[FitzGerald]

Hello again,
I'm having a slight problem when converting from .SRT to VobSub. It seems like STC is injecting some error in the timing. Timing looks great until I save the file into a VobSub. I notice because there isn't a problem when watching with the .srt, but when watching with the .idx/.sub, there's delays.

The problem seems to get worse as time goes on. I've compared using my previous method for converting into VobSub, and that method (SubRip-->Maestro-->Son2Vobsub) does not have problems.

Here are some examples.
## .SRT File Timing
568
01:01:07,011 --> 01:01:14,987
569
01:01:15,189 --> 01:01:21,843
570
01:01:22,867 --> 01:01:29,570
571
01:01:30,246 --> 01:01:38,362
## Using Old Method
timestamp: 01:01:07:033, filepos: 0001a2000
timestamp: 01:01:15:200, filepos: 0001a3000
timestamp: 01:01:22:867, filepos: 0001a4000
timestamp: 01:01:30:233, filepos: 0001a4800
## Using STC
## Timings displayed in STC window are correct
## This is what I get in the .idx file
timestamp: 01:01:03:348, filepos: 0001ae800
timestamp: 01:01:11:518, filepos: 0001af800
timestamp: 01:01:19:188, filepos: 0001b0800
timestamp: 01:01:26:560, filepos: 0001b1000

## After converting from 30 fps to 29.97 fps from the STC window
timestamp: 01:01:07:014, filepos: 0001ae800
timestamp: 01:01:15:192, filepos: 0001af800
timestamp: 01:01:22:870, filepos: 0001b0800
timestamp: 01:01:30:249, filepos: 0001b1000

Hmmm... just thought of that on the fly... interesting result.
Tested on another file and it seems that saving as VobSub will convert time from 30 fps to 29.97 fps.

[danielk68]

hi all:
i have some questions/requests.

i'm using latest beta - 2.2.1

1.when i manage the profiles, there is no option to save
the original profile.i'm using FAVC as my avi-->DVD
authoriting tool, and this tool used the default profiles that are
included on it.

2.when manage the profile, i wanted to change the default font
but on the script option it's only allowed to western.for my use
i need the hebrew option to be able.

3.i saw on the top right the options to change the color text,
background, etc'...
but when i choose "File --> Export Palette" option
it wouldn't export it correctly
(i opened it after, and it's returns to default).

am i doing something wrong?

thx in advanced
Daniel

[manusse]

@FitzGerald: OK, I could reproduce it. Thanks for this bug report. I'm gonna look at it.

@danielk68:
1. I don't understand your question. What is FAVC?
2. You can change the script options in the Settings.xml file.
3. When you save the color palette, you save only the colors but not which ones are used. There is presently no way to do this. It's normal.

Manusse

[danielk68]

@FitzGerald: OK, I could reproduce it. Thanks for this bug report. I'm gonna look at it.

@danielk68:
1. I don't understand your question. What is FAVC?
2. You can change the script options in the Settings.xml file.
3. When you save the color palette, you save only the colors but not which ones are used. There is presently no way to do this. It's normal.

Manusse

1. FAVC is an "all on one dvd converter".
this is the home page - http://favcfavc.googlepages.com/home
this app use the profile that it's included in subtitle creator.

2.how do i do it? i tried to change the font(from arial to tahoma)
without success.(as you said ,in the settings.xml settings)

3.if i want that my subtitle will be yellow and not white as
it's now, how can i do it?

thx ,for your answers.

[manusse]

1°) About the profiles in SC. I don't know how to help you as I don't use them much. I know these are a bit buggy. This should be fixed in a later version but at present we have many other things to improve and this is a bit low priority. Did you try the Profiles -> Manage profiles menu?

2°) In the settingx.xml, you can change the script option, not the font itself. The font is open dynamically from the fonts installed on you PC. See an example below for the script option.

<CodePageDefinition>
<CodePageNumber>1251</CodePageNumber>
<CodePageName>Cyrillic</CodePageName>
</CodePageDefinition>

In your case (Hebrew), you don't need to edit it. Just choose Format -> Select character encoding -> Hebrew.

3°) As I mentioned before, at present, there is no means for automating the color change. You can just select the colors you want using your mouse (top-right -> Set subtitle colors box). Or modify them globaly using the Tools -> Manipulate Sup menu.

Cheers
Manusse

[GrofLuigi]

Character spacing (selectable, at least of 1-5 pixels). Is it possible?

GL

[ukb008]

Sorry for asking a question as a being just landing from Mars would: can SubtitleCreater make subtitles for a homemade DVD-film which does not have a subtitle track?

Regards.

[manusse]

Hi,

Answer is YES. Just install it and look for instructions in the pdf guide coming with it.

Cheers
manusse

[LeMoi]

If you open idx/sub file, change palette to defaults, then load new idx/sub file, you cannot setup again palette to defaults for newly opened file :/

[manusse]

OK, I see the point. This is more a problem in the GUI than a real bug. We will find a solution for next version.

However you can fix it in the meantime. When you open a VobSub file SubtitleCreator uses the palette in the idx file. What you can do is just edit the idx file of your second subtitle and write the default values (to know them, open a SUP or VobSub file, set the colors to default, then save is as VobSub, you can find the default colors in the idx file).

Cheers
Manusse

[FitzGerald]

manusse,
I'm having a problem with a progressive lag induced by STC into my VobSub files (yes, those things, again). This occurs while viewing on my stand alone player, but it is not an issue viewing on my computer.

Again, this is a difference in my "old method" of going from .srt to VobSub (.idx/.sub) using Subrip to MaestroSBT to son2vsub.

Scanning through the .idx files, the only difference is in the palette.

Old files .idx:
# The original palette of the DVD in PGC#1 palette: ffffff, 000000, 000000, 000000, 000000, 000000, 000000, 000000, 000000, 000000, 000000, 000000, 000000, 000000, 000000, 000000
# Custom colors (transp idxs and the four colors)
custom colors: OFF, tridx: 1110, colors: 808080, ffffff, 000000, 000000

New files .idx
# The palette of the generated file palette: 0300e3, e83f07, 000000, ffffff, 11e913, ec13ec, faff1c, 0b5c76, 7c7c7c, e0e0e0, 701d08, 08710c, 01006c, cd0be9, d2a816, 730874
# Custom colors (transp idxs and the four colors)
custom colors: OFF, tridx: 1000, colors: e0e0e0, ffffff, 000000, 7c7c7c

I'm using your default palette... but it seems like the other method has a simpler palette... not sure how much of a difference it makes. They both end up being the same colors. Maybe this makes a difference.

Another setting I used in the "old method" was to set the bitmaps as Windows 4-bit BMPs (MaestroSBT had a ton of options). Uncompressed smallest BMP was fine as I only used white and black. White was always defined as #FFFFFF and black as #000000.

Thought this was an issue with my standalone, but I'm thinking it is something else going on...

[FitzGerald]

Just spent some time running tests.
1) Confirmed old method shows no lag.
2) Lag gets progressive, its nearly like 2.5 seconds around 60 minute mark.
3) The timing in .idx files is very close to be insignificant in differences.
4) Palette does not have any impact. I swapped them and viewed on SAP... there was still a lag.

I wonder if it is in how the files are compressed into .sub format... but I don't know, or maybe the 30-29.97 bug has some impact on the .sub file that we're not aware of.

[manusse]

Hi FitzGerald,

About the lag you've noticed before. I've investigated a bit and it's only for NTSC DVD's. It is a bug in SC and we will fix it in a future version (probably the next beta).

About your current problem, your detailed description gives me an idea. The timings of a VobSub file are available in the .idx and in the .sub file. Most of the PC software players use the timings from the .idx file.

About the SAPs I don't know. Maybe some of them use the timings in the sub file. To check this, just modify the timings in the idx file "by hand" and see if the timings used by your SAP are still the same.

Cheers
Manusse

[Edit]: Look at your PM.

[FitzGerald]

About the SAPs I don't know. Maybe some of them use the timings in the sub file. To check this, just modify the timings in the idx file "by hand" and see if the timings used by your SAP are still the same.
manuesse,
You are right. My SAP is using the timing from the .sub file.

[FitzGerald]

In case anyone is following this thread.... I figured a "hack" way to get VobSub correctly on my computer. You have to make 2 sets of .idx+.sub files. One set is just the original timings. For the second set, convert the file from 29.97 to 30 fps. Take the original timings .idx and match it up with the .sub file from the "hacked" set to create a set that works on my Philips DVP 5960.

Don't explain how this works to me, as I can't figure out where timing is stored in the .sub file... (is it at the end?) .

[Paddington]

Character spacing (selectable, at least of 1-5 pixels). Is it possible?

GL
Could you explain what you mean with this? SC converts the text to graphics using 'default' MS routines. So you could add extra space, but the width of a space is fixed by the font you are dealing with. And do you think you would notice 5 pixels?

[Paddington]

@mpucoder
When using the DVD wizard, I regularly get problems with muxing NTSC movies with Muxman (v0.15R). In detail: after demuxing with PgcDemux, SC creates a muxman project file. Muxman starts to process it, and it generates all the vob files. Next, muxman starts generating the IFOs when it crashes unexpectedly, without even generating a log file. When using IfoEdit's DVD authoring feature, it works just fine. I've also tested it without SC's sup, but that makes no difference, and it still crashes. Finally, I've tested it using muxman manually, and it still crashed. What's happening?

In the attached zip file, I have added the IFO's, the final directory at the point of crashing, the SC created project file, PgcDemux output logs, and the MS crash report. Hope that helps...

[GrofLuigi]

Could you explain what you mean with this? SC converts the text to graphics using 'default' MS routines. So you could add extra space, but the width of a space is fixed by the font you are dealing with. And do you think you would notice 5 pixels?

I meant the space between the characters in a word. I often use bold fonts and big outline in hope to improve readibility on small displays and avoid artefacts (not that there are any, but there is still visible flickering with 1 pixel lines on interlaced displays - I'm sure you know this is perfectly normal, and antialias filter is good, but not perfect). Also, big black outline helps readibility on a light background.

Anyway, with bold fonts and big outlines, characters in a word often come too close together and touch in some places, which looks ugly. The stretch function doesn't help much - it may make them bigger, but they are still too close together.

I thought 1-5 pixels would be enough for current DVD resolutions, but of course ideally there would be no limitation.

And thank you for the nice program! :)

GL

[LeMoi]

Maybe you could edit IDX file and scale the subs horizontally ?

[GrofLuigi]

Maybe you could edit IDX file and scale the subs horizontally ?

I'm mostly creating subs from scratch...

I think this would be similar to SubtitleCreator's stretch function - it would resize the bitmap as a whole, not put characters apart.

Of course, if implemented, it could possibly go other way - into negative values - to bring the characters closer together (this is not a request). :)

GL

[manusse]

It's not implemented in SubtitleCreator. If you edit the idx file, only the delay function, the palette colors and the size (720x480 or 720x576) are supported.

Cheers
Manusse

[fervict]

I am using SC for the first time. I d'ont want to modify an already existing DVD but creating a new DVD from scratch. I cannot find any instructions or tutorial for that, so I simply start SC, open my .srt, mark my profile (16:9 widescreen) and set subtitle colors and position as they appear on the GUI (I suppose they are the default colors and position). Then, I save SUP and use it in IfoEdit. When I play the DVD I find subtitles correctly in position but they are all green! (background, text, outline and antalias). If I use the tool Manipulate SUP I get the same result. I cannot ever get the specied colors (background (9) light grey transp, text (3) white, outline (2) black, antalias (8) dark grey as I wish to). Same with v 2.1 and new 2.2 Please help!

Edit: I use PAL always

Many thanks in advance!

[manusse]

Always the same problem. When you generate your SUP file, you must first select use Format -> Use prefered subtitle colors -> Overwrite all colors. Then use the IFO that comes with your SUP file and it should work.

Cheers
Manusse

[fervict]

Thank you very much for your prompt reply!

I used those format settings many times without help. My trouble always was that I was not able to discover that IFO file near the created SUP, although I had "as IFO" checked. My mistake was that I had not checked "Write palette with SUP Files"as well and it was unoperative!

I have now tried again and it works fine! Thanks you a lot for your help and for so good a tool!.

Cheers
Fervict

[manusse]

The palette export (aka IFO creation) is a new option of SubtitleCreator (since version 2.1) following a user's request. Maybe that's the reason why you didn't find it at first.

Cheers
Manusse

[fervict]

May be, Manusse.

Anyhow, it es now settled, thanks to your help.

Cheers,
Fervict

[mironto]

I have a problem with SC marking too long lines if it is just a single line (when there are two lines in a subtitle, too long lines are marked ok).
I am using SC v2.2.1 with no Wrap Lines and font Verdana.

Could you please have a look at this? Otherwise it's an excellent program and I use it all the times.

[Anime]

I always use SubtitleCreator (atleast Once or more per week)
i like it quite alot as it is easy to used with and can work within my resolution 640x480 (cannot change because TV-RGB-MONITOR) (because I'm not expert too, I'll need you to guide.)

Karaoke
I don't know how it works
It appear a square border box if antialias OFF
It appear color text if antialias ON
but after save as sup and use it with SC wizard
nothing appear after dvd is mux.

A Sample Image Below + Trim DVD(6mb) at filefront
http://files.filefront.com/SUP_OVERLAP_N_2COLOR_SAMPErar/;7681499;;/fileinfo.html
i extract for refrence two color SUP and overlap timing without blinking subtitle, how to possible do in SC?
The sample DVD has sup which has quality like adobe which i edit here
Below used Font Arial Bold 22, SC_outline=5
#Sup with Anti Alias ON
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/make_dvd/SC_ANTIALIAS.gif

#Sup with Anti Alias OFF
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/make_dvd/SC_ANTIALIAS_OFF.gif

#Image made by Adobe PS(Only used 3 color in text, bg, outline) arial 27 bold
APS:Blend Outer Glow
Mode=Normal
Opacity=100%
Spread=100%
Size=3px
Save in gif at 3 color for (text, bg, outline)
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/make_dvd/SC_ADOBEPS.gif

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/make_dvd/SUP_OVERLAP.gif

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/make_dvd/SUP_OVERLAP_0.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/make_dvd/SUP_OVERLAP_1.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/make_dvd/SUP_OVERLAP_2.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/make_dvd/SUP_OVERLAP_3.jpg

Overlapping Timing of Sup
SC always complaint NEGATIVE timing if overlap
00:00:10,000 -> 00:00:12,000
Overlap 1

00:00:11,000 -> 00:00:13,000
Overlap 2

00:00:12,000 -> 00:00:13,000
Overlap 3

so i repair by hand doing below
00:00:10,000 -> 00:00:11,000
Overlap 1

00:00:11,000 -> 00:00:12,000
Overlap 1
Overlap 2

00:00:12,000 -> 00:00:13,000
Overlap 3
Overlap 2

But then the subtitle blinks before while watching The DVD
Overlap 3
Overlap 2

Here is a Trim few secs DVD which uses 2 color (togther in sup, not the same as karaoke because 2 color viewable on"DVDSubEdit.exe"
------------------------------------------
Few features still needed
Clearer Subtitle (I saw before very high quality subtitle on unknown DVD.)

Character Tracking space in between letters
When I minize SC always a error appear
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/make_dvd/SC_MINI_ERROR.gif

SAVE .srt to UNICODE or UTF-8
OPEN text subtitle (.ssa, .ass)
Intelligence OVERLAPPING timing
example subtitle with the same start and end time = merge
subtitle with OVERLAP timing do overlap correction?
ABLE to Choose more than 1 PGC in WIZARD (default auto)
else i have to extract mux voblank for extra pgcs after using wizard
Choosing which PGC color to use in WIZARD (default auto)
else i have extra steps in ifoedit "copy pgc color" because WIZARD always use wrong pgc palette
Font, if script in SC_FONT is set to BIG5 or GB2312 font, westen font is no longer selectable
Missing 1 Character on the Left if "Profile+Warp line" on Chinese Subtitle which is too long without space break
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/make_dvd/SC_MISSING_CHAR.gif
Warp +extra for no line break, not minizing font size but auto break words if touches border
Missing pixels if aligns "RIGHT" Below images shows "」" problem
#Missing
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/make_dvd/SC_MISSING_PIXL_RIGHT_A.gif
#The 」 should look atleast like this...
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/make_dvd/SC_MISSING_PIXL_RIGHT_B.gif
Fade in, Wipe out Sup


Thank You for developing SubtitleCreator

[manusse]

Hi Anime,

First thank you for this nice post and we appreciate that you like SubtitleCreator and want to help us (Paddington and myself) improving it.

I will try to answer to everything I can. If I don't answer to some point it will mostly be because Paddington is the expert of this particular point.

First about the antialias. This mode is only useful when previewing your subtitles. It uses more than the 4 colors that a real DVD can use. This means that the quality of the actual subtitles on the DVD does not depend on this setting.

1-Paddington is the expert but I don't think it's easy to enhance. What counts is the result on a TV set not on a screen copy of DVDSubEdit. Did you compare on a TV set (CRT)?
3-This is an identified bug. Will be fixed for next beta.
4-You can use more specialized software for this. SC is for creating Sup or VobSub file but is definitively not a very good srt editor.
5-It's on our plans to have a look at ssa or ass. But not before a few months, I think.
6-Hard to implement with srt file. How would you specify it?
8-You must open the original IFO file before creating your SUP file. Do you do it?

I've looked at your example. Actually they don't use an anti-aliasing color, that's why you can see 2 colors even with DVDSubedit. They use the 4th color as a 2nd outline color.

About the overlapping timings, SC has a few bugs related to NTSC timings so this may be the problem. We will have a look at this too.

Cheers
Manusse

[Anime]

Hi, manusse, happy to find out if someone reads and discuss about others problem. your helpful ^^

1. Quality, the subtitle which made by unknown software in some retail dvd is sharper clearer on TV and even more obvious on monitor though.
Do you think this looks better?
ADOBE EDITS
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/make_dvd/SC_ADOBEPS.gif
or
SC AA OFF (Small 1x1px black outline sticking randomly in letters "a e g o")
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/make_dvd/SC_ANTIALIAS_OFF.gif
although i dun / seldom watch on monitor
but i do think if monitor shows a higher quality so does on TV

3. Minimize error, Cool, had been quite a long time ever since i started using it. (I thought causing it was my resolution and I'm only person)

4. Save UNICODE/UTF8, when loaded in SC, i adjust a few position using [ENTER] to get lines higher & break lines which are too long that SC compaints or failed to display but what i Import is UTF8/UNICODE after all the editing before creating SUP if it was an UNICODE i import SC export a ANSII or ????????

8. I did select my R2DVD IFO before SAVE SUP but in wizard later I choose my SUP, MUX comes out wrong color

+14. (VERY USEFUL FOR softer Voice in BG, OVERLAPPING conversation, lyrics for BG-SONG while conversation continues, Comments for background Roadsign,symbol,Highlighting and such)
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/make_dvd/SUP_OVERLAP.gif
I've looked at your example. Actually they don't use an anti-aliasing color, that's why you can see 2 colors even with DVDSubedit. They use the 4th color as a 2nd outline color.
1 x Extra Font color in certain line,
So is there a way Doing it using SC? if yes how?
alot people will like to know how, if SC capable
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+15.
lastly i forget to mention is OVERLAY function in SC,
SC keeps saying u need a filter and couldn't find it refering to msg
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/make_dvd/SC_OVERLAY.gif
--------------------------
??.
If anyone knows a way to JOIN 2 x SUP?

[manusse]

8
8. I did select my R2DVD IFO before SAVE SUP but in wizard later I choose my SUP, MUX comes out wrong color
Let me ask one question to try understanding better your problem: Does your original DVD have other subtitles?

14
1 x Extra Font color in certain line,
So is there a way Doing it using SC? if yes how?
alot people will like to know how, if SC capable
You can do it easily, just use the <k>and </k> around the text in the second color.

[papphatt]

Would it be possible to be able to sync a .sup file with another .sup file?
The reason for this should be that it would be possible to rip subtitles from one dvd and put in another. (If you for example have one dvd which is badly encoded but have the right language on the subtitles, and another good-quality dvd without the right subtitles.)
Also, in the future this could perhaps be a way of adding subtitles to HD-DVD/Bly-Ray discs from ordinary DVD's.

regards Papphatt

[Anime]

8. No the DVD doesn't comes with any subtitles
(I try to give more tries in future then we discuss this, might be my fault anyway =D)

14. by using the <K> i see no effects without AA and after that no effect seen in "DVDSubEdit.exe" and after SC_wizard mux the DVD, do I have to export the pallete? or is there a guide on how to use <K>? or is the SAMPLE DVD i suppied use another way to change color where i can see it in "DVDSubEdit.exe"?
I do need help on <K> because i tried and tried no result, i always made sup with SC with AA=OFF

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16. I found another custom SUP DVD which the 4 colors pallete changes at certain #SUP line and viewable both in "DVDSubEdit.exe" and player, can we also do it in SC?
does anyone need sample of the DVD (TRIM) to understand what i means?

-------------
thanks for your time ^^

[manusse]

8.
No the DVD doesn't comes with any subtitles
Ok, then your original DVD has an empty color palette (which means green colors, most of the time). This explains the green subtitles.
To avoid this: The wizard will detect automatically that your original DVD has no subs and will automatically set the IFO palette to SubtitleCreator's default palette. However if you generate your SUP file before using the wizard, make sure that you have selected the same default palette before generating your SUP file (Format->Use prefered subtitle colors->Overwrite all colors).
14.
The <k> </k> effect is working. However DVDSubEdit is not able to display it. DVD players will, because it's part of the DVD specifications. If you can't preview the effect with SubtitleCreator, save your srt file and reopen it and you should be able to see the effect.
16.
They must use the method I've told you about before but SubtitleCreator can't. However with the Manipulate SUP menu, you can choose different colors within the same palette for each subpic.

Cheers
Manusse

[Boulder]

Regarding a disc with multiple VTSs which all contain one episode, or a disc where there are multiple episodes in one VTS, is it possible to replace the subs with SubtitleCreator using the DVD wizard?

[Anime]

oh thanks, manusse
never notice the Manipulate SUP thingie till you said so,

But how is it possible to have "AA=OFF"
<k>K_COLOR_TEXT</k>
NORMAL_TEXT

within the same sup pic can we use AA as a 2nd color
i do think the sample i uploaded idea is good, able to have different color within same sup pic not using karaoke, can we have that feature in future?

and about the blinking issue of continous subpic
I notice that,

1
00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:00,860
sentence 1

2
00:00:00,860 --> 00:00:02,340
sentence 2
sentence 1

the subpic pixel generated for sentence 1 at (Subpic#1) is slightly different from (Subpic#2) no matter on pal or ntsc ifo. example sentence 1 might be a comment might be there for (Subpic#1~10)
and the duration is shifted to cause the blink?
#1 00:00:00,860 becomes 00:00:00,859
#2 00:00:00,860 becomes 00:00:00,861
a break of -1 & +1 is modified between both

the sample i upload have exact pixel in 2 continuous subpic
and either overlap by -00:00:00,001 or difference between them is 00:00:00,001

--------------------------
oh, it would be nice if

1) we can adjust horizontal position in Manipulate SUP

2) insert SUP or BMP inbetween possible? (i think not thou)

3) i think the quality can goes higher for SC, looking at SST(BMP) i think it is much clearer

4) how about when AA is off we can use <AA>AA_COLOR<AA>

5) how to apply <K> for more than 1 line break within 1 subpic

6) aligning 2 lines in one subpic like having 1 at weird position to translate certain symbol while another remains at the bottom as normal subtitle

7) what is the "set subtitle and position" in main window button for? i click nothing happens

8) After a day when update voblanker, and the wizard ask where is voblanker, i cancel, SC ask me a Q:"YES", "NO", without seeing i click NO,
SC never ask again
and everytime mux halfway it say cannot find voblanker... and stalled
(restore default setting cannot recover it, but it seems to ask again, but after wizard this time, the next time sc won't ask and forget the location of voblanker and stalled

un/re/install the SC is not able to recover it
but it seems to recover only after i uninstall,
delete "doc&set/user/.whatever.././././././SC/..."


9) about the wizard auto picking palette color again
i have confirm this time
-I throw in SRT
-open ifo, apply profile adjust here and to fix
error, too long lines(zh, jp character) that SC don't want to warp
after 30mins of fixing (lol)
-save as SUP
-open wizard, set and run
-choose that sup i save, i get below
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/make_dvd/SC_WZ_PALETTE.gif

Cheers -> Manusse for answering =)

[manusse]

Hi Anime,

You are kind but I would appreciate if you could:
1st: read my answers to your previous questions.
2nd: not ask the same question again and again.

OK?

About your question within the same sup pic can we use AA as a 2nd color
I think I've already answered twice, for ex:
They must use the method I've told you about before but SubtitleCreator can't

About this one: how about when AA is off we can use <AA>AA_COLOR<AA>
There is a misunderstanding, I think. The "Settings->Show subtitles without anti-aliasing" has nothing to do with the AA color used in the subtitles.

Let me quote myself again:
First about the antialias. This mode is only useful when previewing your subtitles. It uses more than the 4 colors that a real DVD can use. This means that the quality of the actual subtitles on the DVD does not depend on this setting.

About the rest of your post, I will quicky answer to some of the questions. Others are for Paddington :p

The blinking issue: We'll check that sometime but now Paddington is busy and I am on other bugs and enhancements.

8) We'll check. Could be a bug.
9) As your original DVD has no subtitles, you must make sure that you have selected the same default palette before generating your SUP file (Format->Use prefered subtitle colors->Overwrite all colors). As I've already explained in my previous message. Do it just after opening the IFO before saving the SUP. Normally, it should work. Tell me if it's OK or not.

Cheers
Manusse

[Anime]

yo, manusse, i'm back, i got a real issue today
which i don't know how to solve.

i always used Zoom player to test out SC_MUX subtitle
before burning, my zoomplayer used a cyberlink power dvd6+ video filter. always no problem, thats the method i always used

but, today i get something weird.
this only happens the SUP i MUX today using SC, viewing with that filter, FFDshow is ok, but i belived today problem's SUP i made, might occur on standalone hardware DVD player

My setting are still normal, just that today i try to adjust touching the red line, AA=OFF, this occur on "alot" SUBpic (nearly per 10 subpic 5 distorted)
in the 3 x .SUP i mux today

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/make_dvd/DISTORT_BOT_SC1.gif

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/make_dvd/DISTORT_BOT_SC2.png

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/make_dvd/DISTORT_BOT_00000.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/make_dvd/DISTORT_BOT_00001.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/make_dvd/DISTORT_BOT_00002.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/make_dvd/DISTORT_BOT_00003.jpg

Do you know what occur it?
not something wrong with the filter, it shows up fine on DVD
i made with SC previously but not on today i made with SC's

i test and re test and re test(exit the player),
the extra dirty outline at the bottom is always same
pixel
-----------------------------
about double question i'm sorry, i did read what you answer
but just saying that "i hope sc can work the way"
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when AA = OFF using <k> the mux out sup will have distort color, i confirm.
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about the voblanker clicking "dont ask again"
solving is too troublesome have to delete stuff which is hidden, ok with me, since i find out, but for ppl who don't know abit trouble
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9. on some company who produce R2J DVD the wiazard always pick wrongly i confirm. i suspect when scanario is this it will pick wrongly
VTS 01, PGC 01 for main movie but have serveral VTS and 3 PGC inside the VTS, i always take a extra steps using ifoedit to solve. ok for me, but others will wonder why the color looks weird.

[manusse]

Hi Anime,

Could you PM me the buggy srt and sup files so that I can have a look.

Thanks
Manusse

[vince100]

I had a similar problem with vobsub -- the extra line of pixels at the bottom of subtitle:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1737884&group_id=120228&atid=686307

Weird thing is that this problem only occur on a standalone player.

The original vobsub subtitle had no problem, so it is definitely something introduced by SC.

Also the timing bug:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1735419&group_id=120228&atid=686307

Thanks.

[Mtz]

Long time ago, also I reported the same problems with black lines/pixlels at the bottom of the subtitles. I didn't discovered why is this problem, even some people said that is because of odd position from the bottom.

enjoy,
Mtz

[FitzGerald]

I also had the problem with black lines/pixels, but this was not in STC. This was when I was using the "old method" by using SubRip-->MaestroSBT-->son2vobsub.

It would only happen when the pixel height of the bitmap used was odd. I ended up proving this theory by creating a Gimp Script that would add an extra line to the bitmap if needed. Now, I've always used an even vertical position, so it could manifest itself differently with an odd vertical position. This was showing up on my SAP, and in VLC player... but not MPC.

I also am using a workaround on the .idx-.sub timing issue (so far this has been seen on the Philips DVP5960). I create an .idx file from the original and then use a .sub file that has been converted from 29.97-->30 fps. There is no problem in using different files, and I guess the timing ends up being the same.

[vince100]

... I create an .idx file from the original and then use a .sub file that has been converted from 29.97-->30 fps. There is no problem in using different files, and I guess the timing ends up being the same.

If I have a .sub (vobsub) file to start with, which tool can I use to convert the frame rate from 29.97 to 30? SubResync only changes the .idx file, not the .sub file.

I also find the concept of "frame rate in a .sub file" very odd. Does a .sub file contain absolute timestamps or frame counts, anybody knows?

Also, I encountered the timing problem when I used SC to change colors of a .idx/.sub subtitle, why would SC try to touch timestamps/framecounts at all?

[manusse]

Hi vince100,

Does a .sub file contain absolute timestamps or frame counts, anybody knows?

Actually the timings of the subtitles are not in frame counts but in number of clock cycle (PTS i.e. Presentation Time Stamp). But they should correspond to an exact frame number. An NTSC second is 90090 ticks and a PAL second is 90000 ticks at this clock.

However there are some bugs for NTSC sub/idx files produced by SubtitleCreator. As I've written this part of the code I plan to fix it in september 2007 if I can find some time. I think the bug is somehow related to this thread:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=110212

FitzGerald uses his method when he is converting srt files to sub/idx. SubtitleCreator can retime srt files and this way FitzGerald can generate sub/idx files with SubtitleCreator that don't exhibit SC's NTSC timing bug.

why would SC try to touch timestamps/framecounts at all?
Sorry but that's the way it is working. SC's internal format is a kind of SUP format. So when you edit a VobSub file, SC will first convert it to SUP then allow you to process it as if it were a SUP and finally convert it back to VobSub if you chose to save is a VobSub file. And at each of these stages, time conversion occurs. This shouldn't be a problem however. But there is at least one bug somewhere that I need to fix.

The problem with open-source software is that there are more people willing to use them than people wanting to spend some time programming and fixing the bugs. And at present Paddington and myself are not much available for programming although we have already fixed some other bugs as you will be able to see in the next beta.

Cheers
Manusse

[vince100]

Hi manusse,

Thank you for the detailed explanation. Is this part of code available in the SourceForge? I'd like to take a crack at finding the bug, but couldn't seem to find the latest version of the code.

Thanks.

vince100

[manusse]

Is this part of code available in the SourceForge?

Look at the SVN tab and you'll get the up to date source code, including last bug fixes.

Cheers
Manusse

[Anime]

sorry sorry, manusse

about the lines extra pixel at the bottom
that very day i already know where the bug came from
but you havent read / reply yhte thread thats why i never mention, and after that my computer went down
and after computer back busy, that why now then mention the cause of it.

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/make_dvd/DISTORT_BOT_00003.jpg

the cause of the extra dirty pixel at the bottom line
after 5 times of TESTING, and found that it is cause by MANUIPATE sup with SC
TIMES i tried
1)i manunipate and mux (bcuz u intro me this function) -DIRTY
2)i tried again making sup manuipate and mux -DIRTY
3)i make sup with SC but never manuipate and mux -CLEAN
4)i make sup with SC and manuipate again -DIRTY
5)i make sup with SC and manupate in DVDsubedit -Clean

so conclusion tells me just make SUP with SC and don't use that function ^^

-----------------------------------
Can I remind the developers
about wants this to be fixed?

@WARP LINE = ON, If lines are too long on a LANG which doesn't have SPACING SC has a missing character on the LEFT
example: korean, japanese, chinese

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/make_dvd/SC_MISSING_CHAR.gif

try this line @WRAP = ON, Chinese simplified, MISSING 库

141
00:07:18,470 --> 00:07:22,760
库林桑特和阿米特治是艾亚利斯的智慧和灵魂！

[manusse]

sorry sorry, manusse
Sorry to frighten you. It was just that you were asking many times the same.
I like the results of your investigations. At least it gives us some clues about where the problems can come from. At present, Paddington and myself don't have time to code but I am sure I will find some in september. Maybe Paddington will also. And at that time we will surely have a look and fix this bug. So be prepared to help us testing the fixed version, in a few months. We will need testers'help.

About the missing character, I could reproduce it. When we have some time, we'll have a look at it.

Cheers
Manusse

[GrofLuigi]

For summer reading (http://antigrain.com/research/font_rasterization/index.html). :)

GL

[nada83]

Hi all

I've some problem with converting srt to vobsub by SC.

- When I save as the srt to vobsub with option video format PAL (from Menu Format),my PC play movies perfectly. But When i play movies (with that idx/sub) on my divx standard alone player, the player cannot play the movies and crash (I have to turn the power off).

- However, when I save as the srt to vobsub with option video format NTSC, the divx player play movie with sub perfectly , but the subtitle is displayed out-of-sync with the movie when i play movies on PC

Can someone help me to make the sub work perfectly on both PC and divx player? Thanks so much.

P/S : My divx player have local brand ^^.Sorry my bad English

[manusse]

Hi,

-I don't know why you have a problem with your PAL subtitle. Did you try to open it with subresynch. If it works, it must be a problem with your SAP.
-For the NTSC timings bug, have a look at this post (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1022835&postcount=197).

Cheers
Manusse

[Anime]

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/make_dvd/SC_KARAOKE_AA_OFF.jpg

I get this when AA = OFF
i <k> the most bottom line </k>

not i don't want AA=ON, is that i find it very ugly while watching AA=ON on my TV+DVD player or monitor+software player

and one of the reason i sugested, having able to do different color per sup pic like commercial dvd not using <K> is that <K> cannot apply fade.... using...... dvdsubedit
1) it is more flexible like converting it to vobsub will definetaly get the color, but <k> i'm not very sure....
if vobsub gonna takes it into account...

[Usa1955]

I installed Subtitle Workshop on a pretty new system with Windows XP x64. And although the movies do play fine in ZoomPlayer most of them won't start inside Subtitle Workshop - the video preview window remains black and no audio is playing as well.

Any idea what could be the problem and how to get rid of it? Thanks you very much!

[LeMoi]

Subtitle Workshop ??

[Usa1955]

*awkward* :o

Never mind....

[Daodan]

About the posibility of transforming hd sup files in idx, very nice feature that doesn't seem to work as it should though. The subs saved are very hard to ocr because somewhere in the downsizing process or color reducing the fonts become jagged (as if coroded by some process :)), which makes them different from one another. Tried changing transparency, and colors but can't get any good results.
Here's the sup file I'm trying: http://d01.megashares.com/?d01=62a247f
Also, should it read sup files from bluray (demuxed with xport)? (doesn't seem to work here..)

[manusse]

Hi Daodan,

I am (unfortunately) back from vacations. The HD-SUP import function works only with HD-SUP files, not with BD-SUP (blu-ray) yet. This is on my plans for the future but there are many bugs to be solved first, I think.

When SC opens an HD-SUP, the internal process followed is the following:
1°) Convert the sup from 1920x1080 to SD definition (at present 720 x 576 but in next version 720 x 480 will also be available). The color is not changed

2°) Determine the brightest and the darkest colors of the subtitle.

3°) Replace each color by one of darkest/brightest/(0.5*(brightest+darkest)

That's the process applied.

I think part of the problem you see could be avoided by using an anti-aliasing filter before reducing the image size. Maybe I will add some settings in future versions to do this.

Cheers
Manusse

[Anime]

is there a new version?
how come i did not see any HD function on v2.2.2 beta?
edited: sorry in changlog...

really hope there is a new compile version... ^^
to solve blinking and missing charcter
------------------------
and is it possible next version "auto wrap" lines even if the line is too long and exist line break?

i find that if there is already line break or | in sentence auto wrap won't works any more, it will shrink the font to so-so small....
----------------------
if anyone have any idea to solve the blinks, currently?

62
00:04:34,537 --> 00:04:36,196
What are you doing Takeru?

64
00:04:36,197 --> 00:04:38,775
The last ship from Earth arrived in the
year 2105.|||||||
I was wondering
if there were any parts we could use.

65
00:04:38,776 --> 00:04:41,495
The last ship from Earth arrived in the
year 2105.||||||||

65
00:04:41,496 --> 00:04:42,625
The last ship from Earth arrived in the
year 2105.||||||||
What's this?

66
00:04:42,626 --> 00:04:44,785
After that, Earth became a planet of death...||||||||||

67
00:04:44,786 --> 00:04:46,435
After that, Earth became a planet of death...|||||||||
Apollo?

69
00:04:46,436 --> 00:04:47,665
After that, Earth became a planet of death...|||||||||
Hey, Takeru.

70
00:04:50,545 --> 00:04:51,984
Isn't this cool?
i actually thought ending time same with next line starting time would continue without bliking but SC refuse now i changed to 00:00:00,001 difference and see if it works..

[Anime]

i got a error ifo has more than one PGC unspported,

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/make_dvd/SC_PGC_ERROR.gif

I using 2.2.2 beta, i have attach SC_TEMp txt files in attachment

The fault doesn't comes from voblanker, as if i do it manually nothing went wrong.
Manual:


PGCDemux.exe -> PGC #01 OUTPUT to C:\CLOVER\*
IFOEdit.exe -> DVD Author with C:\CLOVER\* OUTPUT to C:\CLOVER\MUX\*
{1} CLOVER_0x20_EN.sup
{2} ...21...
{3} ...22...
Voblanker -> Replace with C:\CLOVER\MUX\VTS_01_0.IFO, Execute.
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/DVD/_C/CLAMP/CLOVER_VB.gif


so whats wrong? ^^ with SC parsing files?

[manusse]

As the message says, it's presently unsupported by the wizard. However you can do it by hand. See here for explanations:
http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1601289&forum_id=410032

If you don't need to keep the menus it's not important as VobBlanker is used only for menu restoration.

Cheers

Manusse

[Paddington]

I've just uploaded a new release, v2.2, which mainly contains bug fixes.

[kto]

hi,
a couple of questions:

1) is it possible to change and remember the default fonts? every time I start the program, it loads the last srt file, but forgets about the fonts and shows Arial Narrow/Bold/22pt. Since I never use that one, I have to recall which one I did use last, and change it accordingly. Same thing about the other formatting settings.

2) If my system setting for "Language for non-Unicode programs" (Control Panel->Regional and Language Options) is e.g. Russian, then the only font script I can use is Cyrillic, regardless of the "Character Encoding" setting. If I want to create subtitles in "Western" or any other script, I need to change my regional option, which requires Windows restart. Of course, this means that I cannot use Cyrillic or any other script until the next restart, which is very annoying.

thanks!

[manusse]

Hi kto,

About point 1)
Did you use the last version (2.2)? The profile should work better now and they will normally fix the font problem you mention. The last used profile will be remembered. However, there is no link between the srt file and the profile but if you always use the same fonts it will be ok.
Choose Format->Change Font and choose the font you want to use.
When you are satisfied, choose Profiles -> Save Current Profile.
Then choose a name and save it.
Then (and I need to fix this remaining small bug, I thought I had !!!!!) choose Profiles -> Apply Profile -> the name of your newly created profile.
And that's it. Now it will be automatically selected each time you will restart SubtitleCreator.

Another way of remembering the font is to use the font button (F) at the bottom of SC and choose a font for your subtitles. This one will be embedded in the srt file but it's only valid for one line (Note that this is not a "standart" srt tag, but is specific to SC). Also it seems this button disappeared from the English interface!!! But it's still there in the French interface... One more bug to fix in a next release.

About point 2), I'll let Paddington answer you.

Cheers
Manusse

[kto]

manusse,

thanks for the tip. I've also noticed that "position subtitles: width" setting is not saved in the profile automatically, one has to update it in the profile manager.
btw, is there a list of supported srt tags somewhere? (like <b> <i> <f> <s M /> etc.)
regarding 2), it would be ideal if the program supported Unicode, of course. but at least some kind of fix to the problem mentioned above would be great.

cheers

[bonkabonk]

My wife is born in Romania, and I actually started SubtitleCreator for her parents, who would like to watch DVDs with Romanian subtitles (there are not that many). I'm Dutch, however (and so is she), currently living in Australia, and besides Romanian, I also speak German, French, and Spanish (although the latter two are a bit rusty).
Huh? your wife left you to go to australia because you spoke too many languages? ;)

[Paddington]

hi,
2) If my system setting for "Language for non-Unicode programs" (Control Panel->Regional and Language Options) is e.g. Russian, then the only font script I can use is Cyrillic, regardless of the "Character Encoding" setting...
Let me ask a stupid question: are those other fonts/encodings installed? E.g. I can try to switch to Japanese or Chinese, but since I haven't installed them, I cannot use them...

[Paddington]

manusse,
btw, is there a list of supported srt tags somewhere? (like <b> <i> <f> <s M /> etc.)

By heart, there is also:
<u> underline option,
<l>, <L> large and Larger
<s> smaller
<k> Karaoke - color a rectangular region using the fifth color for the foreground text
<s ...> has many variants - you can add your own in Settings.xml

[ercofra]

...
the cause of the extra dirty pixel at the bottom line
after 5 times of TESTING, and found that it is cause by MANUIPATE sup with SC
TIMES i tried
1)i manunipate and mux (bcuz u intro me this function) -DIRTY
2)i tried again making sup manuipate and mux -DIRTY
3)i make sup with SC but never manuipate and mux -CLEAN
4)i make sup with SC and manuipate again -DIRTY
5)i make sup with SC and manupate in DVDsubedit -Clean

so conclusion tells me just make SUP with SC and don't use that function
...


I have the same problem; I've demuxed a subtitle stream with PgcDemux and manipulated the SUP with SC 2.2 for adjusting colors and delay, then saved the SUP and muxed with MuxMan 0.15R. When played with PowerDVD, subtitles have extra dirty pixels at the bottom line.
I've tried all versions of SC from 1.92 to 2.2, same problem.
If I use DVDSubEdit for just changing colors (unfortunately DVDSubEdit can't re-time SUPs at the moment), no problems with the muxed DVD.
I think the problem is related to the re-encoding routine of the "Manipulate SUP" tool of SC; maybe DVDSubEdit don't re-encode the subtitles images, just change colors attributes (dimensions of original and saved SUP are always the same). Why SC re-encode subtitles images if I want to change only some attributes, like colors and TimeCode?

Example of dirty pixels:
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/2244/pdvd000hx3.png

I can give you the original and modified SUP for testing purpose, just tell me where I have to send it.

Thanks for the attention and for the great program.

[Paddington]

Shit, that still happens - as you can see, dirty pixels are actually due to the height of the subtitle, as specified in the SUP file, being one pixel to high. Some players ignore that when all data is used (mine does, so it doesn't bother me), other players wrap the data around and start from the top (so the dirty pixels actually are equal to the first line of the subtitle). Still, it's SC's mistake, and I'll have to fix it.

Send me a PM with your email address if you want to test it.

[kto]

Let me ask a stupid question: are those other fonts/encodings installed?

sure they are there. E.g. Arial Unicode MS contains all the scripts, but the program allows me to choose just one depending on my regional settings.

[shearerc]

To the authors -

Any plans to add support for Type1 fonts? Currently when I change the font, only TrueType and some OpenType fonts show up in the list.

[cipher]

...
5-It's on our plans to have a look at ssa or ass. But not before a few months, I think.
...
Cheers
Manusse

Great news!
I have very satisfied experiences converting srt to sup which is then added to dvd using subtitlecreator, and I'm dying looking for a program that supports ass/ssa as well.

thank you devs! :)

[shearerc]

Hi,

A question on the "Synchronize timing with original SUP" feature.
I use it to synch my currently loaded SRT with the original dvd's SUP timing. Very useful feature.

However I notice SC only sync the start time of the matching(linked) subtitle lines. How can I get it to sync the end time as well?

thanks!:thanks:

[manusse]

However I notice SC only sync the start time of the matching(linked) subtitle lines. How can I get it to sync the end time as well?

This feature is not existing. How would that work? Normally the duration of one sub has nothing to do with the movie frequency and could remain the same?

Or do you mean something else?

Cheers
Manusse

[kumi]

Any plans to add support for Type1 fonts?https://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1615715&forum_id=471508

Please see the above link. It sounds like T1 support will not happen any time soon.

[shearerc]

To kumi,
Thanks for the info.

This feature is not existing. How would that work? Normally the duration of one sub has nothing to do with the movie frequency and could remain the same?Hi manusse,

The original SUP is in Japanese, I downloaded a English SRT and loaded it into SC.
Translation is good, but timings are badly off.
So I'm using SC's sync feature to sync the SRT timings with the SUP, line-by-line.

Unfortunately, I found SC only synchronizes the start time of a subtitle line. I need it to sync the end time of a line also. Very obviously both start and end time of the SRT must be synch-ed with the original SUP to prevent time overlapping and duration problems, otherwise what's the point of synching?

Thanks for listening. I suspect I'm talking Greek, so let me know if you want a screenshot.:thanks:

[Anime]

@ercofra
i solved using DVDSubEdit.exe to edit color
you can even do it without demux the VIDEO_TS/

[manusse]

@shearerc,

I see your point. I was not thinking to a translation but to a frequency change. In this case the sub duration doesn't have to change...

Did you try the Tools->Translate SUP or VobSub to SRT menu? It will help you create a empty SRT file and then you can just copy/paste your translation line by line. I think it's still a beta feature so tell us if it's OK and if you use it tell us about the bugs you find (if any).

Cheers
Manusse

[ercofra]

@ercofra
i solved using DVDSubEdit.exe to edit color
you can even do it without demux the VIDEO_TS/

Ok about colors, but you can't change the timing of subtitles inside SUP files with DVDSubEdit, you can only do it inside VOBs.
The subtitles I have to edit are only in SUP format and I'm forced to use the SUP editing function of SubtitleCreator.
Another solution is to convert to SRT, change the delay, and then convert back to SUP, but it's time consuming and error prone.
I prefer to wait for a fixed version of SubtitleCreator.

[juffi]

I'm trying to convert .sup file to .srt using the OCR tool in Subtitle Creator. Sup file is demuxed from a HD transport stream.

Unhandled exception occurs saying: Index was outside the bound of the array.

Detailed info:

See the end of this message for details on invoking
just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.

************** Exception Text **************
System.IndexOutOfRangeException: Index was outside the bounds of the array.
at SubtitleCreator.ModiDocumentProcessing.CreatePalette(Bitmap imIn)
at SubtitleCreator.ModiDocumentProcessing.ToMultiPageImage(String fileName, EncoderParameter[] p)
at SubtitleCreator.ModiDocumentProcessing.AddSubtitleImagesToMODIDocument(Object sender, RunWorkerCompletedEventArgs e)
at System.ComponentModel.BackgroundWorker.OnRunWorkerCompleted(RunWorkerCompletedEventArgs e)
at System.ComponentModel.BackgroundWorker.AsyncOperationCompleted(Object arg)


************** Loaded Assemblies **************
mscorlib
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.42 (RTM.050727-4200)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v2.0.50727/mscorlib.dll
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SubtitleCreator
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.0.0
CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/SubtitleCreator/SubtitleCreator.exe
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System
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Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.42 (RTM.050727-4200)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Drawing/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Drawing.dll
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DShowNET
Assembly Version: 1.0.0.1
Win32 Version: 1.0.0.1
CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/SubtitleCreator/DShowNET.DLL
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System.Xml
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.42 (RTM.050727-4200)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Xml/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Xml.dll
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ListViewEx
Assembly Version: 1.0.2297.19690
Win32 Version: 1.0.2297.19690
CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/SubtitleCreator/ListViewEx.DLL
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SubtitleCreator.resources
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.0.0
CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/SubtitleCreator/en/SubtitleCreator.resources.DLL
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Interop.MODI
Assembly Version: 11.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 11.0.0.0
CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/SubtitleCreator/Interop.MODI.DLL
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System.Data
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.42 (RTM.050727-4200)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_32/System.Data/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Data.dll
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************** JIT Debugging **************
To enable just-in-time (JIT) debugging, the .config file for this
application or computer (machine.config) must have the
jitDebugging value set in the system.windows.forms section.
The application must also be compiled with debugging
enabled.

For example:

<configuration>
<system.windows.forms jitDebugging="true" />
</configuration>

When JIT debugging is enabled, any unhandled exception
will be sent to the JIT debugger registered on the computer
rather than be handled by this dialog box.


After playing with other tools OCR tool goes further. It creates a .tif file which contain correct subtitles from the .sup. Tools says: Unhandled exception, Object hasn't initialized and can't be used yet.

More detailed info:

See the end of this message for details on invoking
just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.

************** Exception Text **************
System.Runtime.InteropServices.COMException (0xC6C80001): Object hasn't been initialized and can't be used yet
at MODI.LayoutClass.get_Words()
at SubtitleCreator.ModiDocumentProcessing.SaveSubtitlesToFile()
at SubtitleCreator.ModiDocumentProcessing.Analyze()
at SubtitleCreator.ModiDocumentProcessing.AddSubtitleImagesToMODIDocument(Object sender, RunWorkerCompletedEventArgs e)
at System.ComponentModel.BackgroundWorker.OnRunWorkerCompleted(RunWorkerCompletedEventArgs e)
at System.ComponentModel.BackgroundWorker.AsyncOperationCompleted(Object arg)


************** Loaded Assemblies **************
mscorlib
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.42 (RTM.050727-4200)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v2.0.50727/mscorlib.dll
----------------------------------------
SubtitleCreator
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.0.0
CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/SubtitleCreator/SubtitleCreator.exe
----------------------------------------
System.Windows.Forms
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.42 (RTM.050727-4200)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Windows.Forms/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Windows.Forms.dll
----------------------------------------
System
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.42 (RTM.050727-4200)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll
----------------------------------------
System.Drawing
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.42 (RTM.050727-4200)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Drawing/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Drawing.dll
----------------------------------------
DShowNET
Assembly Version: 1.0.0.1
Win32 Version: 1.0.0.1
CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/SubtitleCreator/DShowNET.DLL
----------------------------------------
System.Xml
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.42 (RTM.050727-4200)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Xml/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Xml.dll
----------------------------------------
ListViewEx
Assembly Version: 1.0.2297.19690
Win32 Version: 1.0.2297.19690
CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/SubtitleCreator/ListViewEx.DLL
----------------------------------------
SubtitleCreator.resources
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.0.0
CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/SubtitleCreator/en/SubtitleCreator.resources.DLL
----------------------------------------
Interop.MODI
Assembly Version: 11.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 11.0.0.0
CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/SubtitleCreator/Interop.MODI.DLL
----------------------------------------
System.Data
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.42 (RTM.050727-4200)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_32/System.Data/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Data.dll
----------------------------------------

************** JIT Debugging **************
To enable just-in-time (JIT) debugging, the .config file for this
application or computer (machine.config) must have the
jitDebugging value set in the system.windows.forms section.
The application must also be compiled with debugging
enabled.

For example:

<configuration>
<system.windows.forms jitDebugging="true" />
</configuration>

When JIT debugging is enabled, any unhandled exception
will be sent to the JIT debugger registered on the computer
rather than be handled by this dialog box.

[Anime]

yesterday, i got another problem with SC wizard
i making R2 Japan Anime series 1~6 vol of SUP for DVD using SC wizard

(normaly it doesn't happen)
but this time, there is a issue on it, all volume 1~5

there is a slight FREEZE like 0.5sec in the almost end of PGC while watching the DVD output by SC wizard (tested with 2 DVD Player)

if i watch on PC the freeze part will not occured but the line of SUPIC will disappered earlier than it supposed to.

i burned many many times and try many method but always freeze in the same part(towards ending a few sec before) on different volume of DVD

i tried BURNING THE RAW .ISO there isn't this freeze / choke

i open the RAW .ISO and the outout of this SUP-DVD by SC wizard with voblanker. and found that chapter of original and SC output is sligntly different in time

does the dev. need sample? i can cut out that part and make in very small size
----------------------------------------
i wondering if it is the cause if last line of SUP is longer than VIDEO?

my volume 5 last line
301
00:48:41,650 --> 00:48:43,800
让我们一起度过美好的时光吧

the voblanker shows that the PGC only have 00:48:42,+++
-------------------------------------------
@ercofra

sorry i was thinking that you cannot position the SUP using SC
thats why i sugested dvdsubedit

as in the past in 2.2.2 beta i relised the timing in SC manipulate is not what we had when making the SUP

i got a better way for you, which doesn't need to convert back SRT
1) demux your DVD to VOBSUB
2) resync each part with that powerful program i think vobsub has the most effecivness resync out there where you can adjust by portion or by whole. after adding delay or whateverso just use SC wizard and choose the idx like SUP
ten you no need to wait for the manipulate to be fixed.

[manusse]

i open the RAW .ISO and the outout of this SUP-DVD by SC wizard with voblanker. and found that chapter of original and SC output is sligntly different in time

I don't really understand. What do you mean by "found that chapter of original and SC output is sligntly different in time". Are you talking about the DVD chapters? If this is the case, you can try playing with the Celltimes.txt file in the SC_TEMP directory and see if by changing the time of the last chapter you can fix the bug.

Tell us about your results.

Cheers
Manusse

[Anime]

@manusse

sorry i already deleted away the original celltimes with the ISO. now leaving with only outoput of SC in burned DVDR.
but nevermind if i meet again this situtation in future i experiment again.
-----------------------------------------

i really hope there is a way to MAKE overlaping subtitle like commercial / homebrew DVD subtitle. i do think that this is subtitle basic performance ability but SC keep producing blinking subtitle if i want it to do so.

i belived those homebrew subtitle i saw is produce by another application other than SC.

i wanna do this
00:00:10,000 -> 00:00:20,000
ON TOP SCREEN, ONSCREEN TEXT

00:00:10,000 -> 00:00:13,000
bottom subtitle 1

00:00:14,000 -> 00:00:16,000
bottom subtitle 2

00:00:19,000 -> 00:00:22,000
bottom subtitle 3
--------------------------------------
i written in below doesn't work even there is 00:00:00,001
difference or not

00:00:10,000 -> 00:00:13,000
ON TOP SCREEN, ONSCREEN TEXT||||||
bottom subtitle 1

00:00:13,001 -> 00:00:14,000
ON TOP SCREEN, ONSCREEN TEXT|||||||

will aday SC able to do so?

seems like SC automatic trying to make the GAP longer that cause blinking

[manusse]

i really hope there is a way to MAKE overlaping subtitle like commercial / homebrew DVD subtitle

The DVD specifications doesn't allow for a 1 ms difference between two subtitles. There must be an integer number of frames between two subtitles. (1/50 s in PAL/SECAM and 1/60 s in NTSC).

The DVD specifications doesn't allow for overlapping subtitles. However it must be possible to generate an overlapping subtitle using 3 timings like (maybe the values need to be adjusted a bit more):

1
00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:00,980
Text 1

2
00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:01,980
Text 1|||||||||||
Text 2

3
00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:03,000
|||||||||||
Text 2

For this to work in SC you must select the following options:
-Increase the Line Count to 13 (see on the right of the window)
-Deselect Wrap Lines (Format menu)
-Select Format -> Align Vertically -> Top

However I don't know if this will flicker or not. We may add this to our list of new features for the future. For now on, we are concentrating on important bugs that need to be fixed before introducing new features.

Thanks for your patience.
Manusse

PS: A sample of such a commercial SUP (or SUB/IDX) file where the overlapping is present would help us. If you have one, just cut a piece of it and post it or PM it to me.

[Mtz]

I made a sample with SubtitleCreator here. (http://www.mytempdir.com/2033014) Srt included.

enjoy,
Mtz

[manusse]

I meant an example of such a commercial DVD. To see how they do it.

Cheers

Manusse

[Mtz]

I made the sample for Anime to show him non-flickering subtitles. ;)

enjoy,
Mtz

[Anime]

hey mtz your subtitle is not flickering but why mine is flickering?

your output is having what my SC cannot do
my SC output .sup keep trying to changed the timing of SRT and make them ended earlier!
how did you manage to get SC's created sup having
00:00:00,000 in between of 2 supic

if i make a SUP out of your srt using subtitlecreator it flickers
you really use subtitlecreator to make that SUP?
did you changes the source and compile on your own?
i using the already compile released 2.2
what version / option / prefrence of SC you having?

1
00:00:01,164 --> 00:00:04,918
Testing subtitles for flickering
||||

2
00:00:04,918 --> 00:00:07,425
Testing subtitles for flickering
by: Mtz
|||

3
00:00:07,425 --> 00:00:08,675
ON TOP SCREEN, ONSCREEN TEXT|||||||||
Bottom Subtitle 1

4
00:00:08,675 --> 00:00:09,926
ON TOP SCREEN, ONSCREEN TEXT|||||||||
Bottom Subtitle 2

5
00:00:09,926 --> 00:00:11,178
ON TOP SCREEN, ONSCREEN TEXT|||||||||
Bottom Subtitle 3

6
00:00:11,178 --> 00:00:13,680
ON TOP SCREEN, ONSCREEN TEXT|||||||||
As you can see,

7
00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,183
ON TOP SCREEN, ONSCREEN TEXT|||||||||
the subtitle is not flickering.

8
00:00:16,183 --> 00:00:18,268
ON TOP SCREEN, ONSCREEN TEXT|||||||||
Enjoy,

9
00:00:18,268 --> 00:00:19,269
ON TOP SCREEN, ONSCREEN TEXT|||||||||
M

10
00:00:19,269 --> 00:00:20,270
ON TOP SCREEN, ONSCREEN TEXT|||||||||
Mt

11
00:00:20,270 --> 00:00:22,355
ON TOP SCREEN, ONSCREEN TEXT|||||||||
Mtz

12
00:00:22,256 --> 00:00:24,441
ON TOP SCREEN, ONSCREEN TEXT|||||||||
Mtz

if i view your SUP in SC manunipate
you have a different timing from what i created from your SRT

Your .SUP LINE 1 ~ 2
00:00:01,134 -> 00:00:04,904
00:00:04,905 -> 00:00:07,406 (vobsub shows 00:00:04,904!!)

My .SUP LINE 1 ~ 2 from your srt using SC created
00:00:01,164 -> 00:00:04,915
00:00:04,918 -> 00:00:07,430

Your SRT Line 1 ~ 2 (provided)
00:00:01,164 --> 00:00:04,918
00:00:04,918 --> 00:00:07,425

----------------------------------------
@manuse
Difference of 00:00:00,020 will be blinking even
for 00:00:00,030, 00:00:00,050, 00:00:00,060,but how did mtz having 00:00:00,001? with no blinking......

1
00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:00,980
Text 1

2
00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:01,980
Text 1|||||||||||
Text 2

3
00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:03,000
|||||||||||
Text 2

i already... put up the commercial DVD sample and you have already watch it in june post #183
this short sample shows of
+ overlapping flickerless
+ 2 color font face single subpic possible even viewing with dvdsubedit
+ very clean smooth round outline (SC's very jitter when aa=OFF, even worst with AA=on)
http://files.filefront.com/SUP_OVERLAP_N_2COLOR_SAMPErar/;7681499;;/fileinfo.html

[Anime]

sorry for double posting....

+ mtz having no flicker when 1 & 2 line subtitle have continoues timing.
* Version 2.1b4

- I'm using same srt as him build out a SUP as stream2 inside his VOB, my stream2 is flickering but not stream1.
version 2.2
* i asked him by helping me sending his profile and setting.
and i imported to C:\Documents and Settings\____user____\Local Settings\Application Data\SubtitleCreator
but doesn't help, still flickering

__________________________________
So what is the conclusion? this is a BUG or SECRET?
does SC making .SUP takes graphic card/driver?, monitor?, display resolution / frequency into account?

can anyone help testing on your system & reply result with version please..... please....~
1
00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:10,520
- Good morning, Miss Ratched.
- Good morning.

2
00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,114
- Good morning, Miss Ratched.
- Mr. Washington.

@manusse i already send you the bug sup(dirty pixel) you wanted, link inside your doom9 PM

[manusse]

Hi Anime,

There is no secret inside SubtitleCreator. The full code is open and available.

does SC making .SUP takes graphic card/driver?, monitor?, display resolution / frequency into account?

No. SC's code has nothing to do with the graphic card.

I see two possibilities:

1°) You are not using the same standard as Mtz (I mean PAL/NTSC)
2°) There is a new bug that has been introduced between version 2.1b4 and 2.2.

What you can do to verify point 2) is download and install an old version and try again to generate the SUP file. All the archived versions of SubtitleCreator are available here:

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=120228&package_id=130981

Another alternative: if Mtz has time he can install V2.2 and try to see if he can generate the same SUP (without blinking) with V2.2. Two different version of SubtitleCreator can cohabit on the same PC without any problem.

Cheers
Manusse

[Mtz]

OK, I made the test again using 2.1b4 and 2.2.
With 2.1b4 > flickering > no
With 2.2 > flickering > yes

I loaded the test DVD resulted by using SUP created with the both versions of SC in DVDSubEdit.
For the 2.1b4 the duration is reported as "infinite" by DVDSubEdit for each subpicture (excepting the latest 2 subpictures).
Fir the 2.2 the duration are not inifinite and looks like a normal subtitle. I changed the V2.2 Subpictures all to infinite and resulted a non-flickering subtitle stream. Unfortunately if somebody want to make all subpictures infinite in DVDSubEdit, needs to do it manually for each subpicture.

enjoy,
Mtz

[manusse]

Hi Mtz,

As I don't have a version of SC 2.1b4 and your profile and fonts, I would appreciate if you could create and post the exact same sample as you've posted here (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1051719&postcount=240) with SubtitleCreator V2.2 so that I can look at the difference and try to understand what's happening.

However, I think your explanation that the subtitles have no end is very convincing especially for overlapping subtitles.

Cheers
Manusse

[Mtz]

The test is here. (http://www.mytempdir.com/2036436)
The english subtitle is V2.1b4
The french subtitle is V2.2.

enjoy,
Mtz

[Anime]

omg thanks mtz for testing... and finding out the "SECRET"

but i think subtitlecreator by default, when {END time} and next subtitle {start time} is same should auto inf.
____________________________________
and something else i would like to mention here is.
sc doesn't seems to auto warp anymore if
|||||
is in the line.
____________________________________
sc doesn't accept srt with a blank line like, it will produce error msg.

2
00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,114
- Good morning, Miss Ratched.

- Mr. Washington.
____________________________________
lastly i like to see the function subtitlecreatle
2
00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,114
<top>Good morning, Miss Ratched.
<bottom>Mr. Washington.

so user doesn't even have to count how many || to break in between. and is it possible if able to {top-down, R2L}
in between? but not the entire srt like <R2L>


_________________________
edited: by the way i still haven't find a way to make it flickerless
i downloaded the 2.1 also flicker
i downloaded the 2.06 also flicker...
cannot get 2.1b4 at sourceforge...

[Mtz]

2.1b4 exe. (http://www.mytempdir.com/2037181)

enjoy,
Mtz

[Anime]

edited:
using your 2.1b4 exe in my subtitlecreator folder,
doesn't solved flickering with sup save out does dll or etc takes account?

______________________________
by the way i think the inf is important.
dvdsubedit also only have the inf button at 1.384 only...

worst thing i need another compuer just to use it...just because it is out of my resolution clickable area lol

[manusse]

Hi,

This message to thank Anime, Mtz and ercofra for helping me tracking bug. Now that I have a bit of free time (the evening after work), I will try to fix the bugs for next version.

For next version:

I've already fixed the bug mentioned by Derebo here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=959581#post959581).
I plan to fix the dirty line bug first, then the overlapping subtitles bug.
I may need your help to test the new fixes when available so be ready...

Cheers
Manusse

[KoD]

Importing ssa/ass subtitles would be a nice feature to have. Especially the positioning and different styling for different lines of text (or even individual words or letters in a line of text). This would be much nicer than the current "new line" way of positioning that is being done in srt files. And for text with different styles on the same frame, I don't believe this can be achieved with srt files at all.

Please let me know if you need any easy to grasp ssa/ass examples of what I'm hinting at.

[Boulder]

SubtitleCreator won't open but gives an error message:

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/3289/bugzk4.th.gif (http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bugzk4.gif)

Maybe it has got something to do with the .NET installations? It appeared after I had reinstalled Windows and installed the .NET framework files via Windows Update. On my previous .NET installation which I did manually, there were no problems.

[Anime]

@Boulder
could be different version of .net
you still can manually get .net 2.0 and try again after installing
_________________________________
i agree with what KoD said
beening able to position a onscreen text beside / next to a object is COOL

example of translating newspaper headline
road sign, letters headline, street name, building name

i see commercial DVD doing just exactly above the need-to-translate label where i think i have problem trying to position in that area using |||||or align left

but this is just a features to be done after overlaping....
because often when onscreen-text appear dialoges keep going.... and they had never start or ended at same time.

features i see on commercial dvd:
shadow text, (besides outline they also uses shadow on R1-DVD.)

sample shadow
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/DVD/_H/Hellsing/ULTIMATE_SE_VOL_01---00008.jpg

i really hope you can also look into below list if you got time for coding
when doing overlap subtitle pixel on previous and next seems abit shifted sometimes*, i also don't know why...

not reporting error when really too long lines (no spacing character lang)

1st character missing if too long lines (no spacing character lang)

wizard tool not able to work with some small dvd with simple pgc. (like mtz sample flickering dvd will never work with wizard, or any dvd with just main movie trim by nero will also won't work.)

the subtitle quality... (i really think i cannot make a SUP using SC, quality as good as commercial DVD. their font+outline pixel is neater) they just use 2 color..... to acomplish and yet we using 3 color(face outline aa) thats why we have no way to have 2 color font face like theirs. where they had use our aa color for the 2nd font face color in a single subpic. what will our subpic looks like if (color)aa is not use? (i think no matter aa=on or off that aa color affect alot the outcome of the SUP quality currently) i know you will sugest me using karaoke... but karaoke only works when AA=on else i will get a color outline box, i really think when aa=on font pixel turns horrible head wire. although you always reply aa=on only for previewing doesn't affect output, but i test and test i really see there is a BIG difference in the output of aa=on and off

auto warping for too long lines (no spacing character lang)

auto warping if needed even if | appear

save as unicode (important if we decorate different fonts in non-english)

i don't think SC now accepts it own output if <font> style is added

able to work with select PGC to work with in wizard (default as it is now if user no input)

<top><bottom> so user doesn't need to count |||||| to go to the top

able to top-bottom on select subtitle not all

*although i had never used this function before...
but maybe japanese user need it......
i see japanese subtitle on commercial DVD having.... small words ontop of big words...
or maybe it is just selecting the font there is auto translating the hiragana or katakana on top of the Kanji
___________________________________________
sorry manusse, i such a greedy to request that much....
because i really rely too much on SC for making SUP and i make alot of SUP for alot dvd every week.......

lastly thanks manusse, for helping and keep updating & answering us.

[manusse]

@Boulder,
Make sure you've installed NET Framework 2.0 (see readme.txt for http link).

@Anime & KoD
At present, I am the only one who has some (little) time for coding in SC. So I will only look at bug fixes because IMO there are too many nasty bugs remaining. I've given my priority list. Also you may know that when fixing two bugs, programmers generally make one new bug. So it may take some time before those nasty bugs are solved.
This also means no new functions (like ssa/ass, HD/BD SUP support, ...) before some time from my side. Otherwise SC will become full of features but unusable.

Be patient
Cheers

Manusse

[Boulder]

@Boulder,
Make sure you've installed NET Framework 2.0 (see readme.txt for http link).I have all the three frameworks installed (via Windows Update), and I tried downloading the separate setup package and did a repair install. Unfortunately it didn't help. I guess the next thing to try is to try removing .NET Framework 3.0 and see what happens.

[Anime]

just a joke.... happen that day (tell everyone this joke, so SC can improved)

I PM ercofra, that day saying
i looked at your POST, your subtitle made is very well-done.
i never had such outcome, mine always have weird pixel sticking in & out,

yours come with clean outline, clear pixel
do you mind telling me your profile, font face , size, outline width
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/2244/pdvd000hx3.png

he reply.... no: "i just extracted it from commercial DVD and edit, it is not made SC..."

i go errrrrrrrr i saw that picture i tot i;m so suxs that cannot find the right combination for that clean font pixel,,, who knows...

by the way guys, my SC output always come out like this below

SC outut, pixel not neat, outline will go head wire if even thicker
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/DVD/_E/ElfenLied/R2_07_VAXVA---EN_OVA.jpg

this is the same DVD using same IFO, subpic(vobsub) extracted from my german DVD and insert into my R2 DVD
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/DVD/_E/ElfenLied/R2_07_VAXVA---EN.jpg

i know i using different front and size, but look at their outline, so round+smooth+clean, no funny pixel in/out on every letter.
i dare not use thicker outline on SC... because when SC outline goes thicker it is very very obvious about the "head wire pixel"

just hope a day SC going better ~ ^^
gambatsu~ SC!!!

[Mtz]

Try to test manually many values for "stretch" and "line height".

Just a test:
http://i22.tinypic.com/67liy1.jpg

enjoy,
Mtz

[Boulder]

I have all the three frameworks installed (via Windows Update), and I tried downloading the separate setup package and did a repair install. Unfortunately it didn't help. I guess the next thing to try is to try removing .NET Framework 3.0 and see what happens.This one worked, so it looks like SubtitleCreator doesn't like .NET Framework 3.0 at all:confused:

[Anime]

@mtz

i uses alot of time to use smaller size font and stretching more they give different result thou.

anyway your combination for your test not bad, but can still see some funny pixel you look at commercial dvd they are round inside or outside the outline

anyway your combination is smoother than mine
so mtz what is your font size,, stretch x, y and (color uses for outline and anti-anlias), and AA=ON/OFF

i like something like this but i couldn't find the combinination for it
ADOBE EDITS
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/make_dvd/SC_ADOBEPS.gif
or
SC AA OFF (Small 1x1px black outline sticking randomly in letters "a e g o")
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/make_dvd/SC_ANTIALIAS_OFF.gif

so the sticking out appear more often on other lang than english letter i really hope by default SC normal font selection without strecting give use best result.

anyone who have a good combination can you share your profile and setting to make SC output best looking? like my adobe edit?
______________________________________
@manusse

i got SC(2.2) hang today if i use such combination

<Profile Name="ENG new">
<Font Name="Tahoma" Size="20" Style="Bold" Outline="4" />
<Window DistanceToLeftBorder="80" DistanceToTopBorder="25" Width="560" />
<Stretch Horizontal="100" Vertical="130" />
<LineHeight Value="100" />
<Formatting Lines="13" Wrap="True" VerticalAlignment="3" VerticalFont="False" />
</Profile>

96
00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,330
重来 （伪学生会公章）
这里再处理下 这里也要再作修改
1 店的性质 出售向坂环同人志
2 店的名称 姐姐大人和我们
3 店的位置 3-A教室前走廊
4 许可条件 只能在教室后门摆一张课桌
5 其他 请勿妨碍通行

i know could be solve if i use smaller font for this selected secetion but it took me alot time to find out which section cause the hang and why lol

[manusse]

Hi Anime,

Could you please also post your profile.

Cheers
Manusse

[Mtz]

Anime, try Arial Narrow Bold, Size 24,
X = 1.04
Y = 1.05
Use anti-alias filter
Outline width: 5.

The previous screenshot was from a personal font but is almost the same as Arial Narrow.
2 screenshots:
http://i20.tinypic.com/11so703.jpg
http://i24.tinypic.com/j0bu42.jpg

enjoy,
Mtz

[Anime]

@mtz can you give... unauthor gif screenshot,
jpg already...blur out
sorry i really concern about how good the quality of subpic.

hm, i use screenshot hunter capture current active window to file gif
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you are right, mtz, 0.01 stretching might take some of the pixel away.... but it also put some back on other letters lol ~ anyway thanks info....
i tried yours sugest combination i doesn't like what AA gives
the AA.... looks blur on inisde i seldom see commercial dvd subtitle with such a blur effect

but alot bootleg dvd also comes with low quality subpic
either blur on font inside or inbalance outline on outside (not smooth)
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i think this is best i can get out of SC on my side

@doom9,user=anime,style,1
AA OFF, outline 4
Arial 22 bold, stretch 1.00 ALL
outline black, anti-alias color black
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/misc/doom9_sc_style1.gif
do you think sc generate random quality? each a looks differently...
look at my "a c d s o" even u the 1st "u" looks good but not the others, compared with below quality

but do you think it really far from this?
extracted .sup from gits:sss r1
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/misc/GITS_SSS_SUBPIC.gif

now look at another company commercial DVD
their subtitle share the same characteristic huh?

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/2244/pdvd000hx3.png
do you think so? although different font, different size,
but straight is straight, round is round
anyone found any combination that works as good as above?

please share... ideas~

[Mtz]

You have problems with "a c d s o" because of bad stretching.
For my eyes, the best outline is 5. Try my settings with arial narrow bold from my previous post.

enjoy,
Mtz

[Anime]

thanks~ mtz, i think i giveup....

i been stretching for the last six hours+......
i couldn't get a combination to clear those sticking out or sticking in pixel perfectly... i stretch in the other character pixel comes out, i stretch out another pixel of another letter side appear, either the font body or outside the outline there sure to have random pixel poping out, i cannot even deal with a~z A~Z how am i going to deal with other lang. character?
you know it is quite funny in SC each letter may look different
in a single subpic, lets say there is 3x"S" in between letters of 1st character, problem may only appear in 1 which doesn't have clean pixel.

why do we need to stretch here and there,
shouldn't SC generated picture more standardize like masterosbt? without having to stretch to get something clean
and even after stretching cannot achieve 100% clean

i wanted a single color font face, 2 pixel horizontal / vertical strokes, and 2 pixel outline like below.... commercial dvd image

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h245/vaxva/misc/R3_Alchemist.jpg

goodbye guys i come back in future~
all the best to mtz & manusse

[Anime]

hello, hi

i got a funny question.
i looked at the .ass today they are trying to use fontsize=30
but if i gonna do that in sc most proberly it will be very very big or will end up SC auto crash if the line height is to high

i'm wondering the size defined in .ass/ssa fontsize=25~30
is different from us in SC->format change font.

is there a way to check and calculate their size to what should i set in SC?

so i do not have to everytime manualy check every line in srt inorder not to shrink too small or getting a missing 1st charcter on the left with auto-warping=on

chinese character usualy have no spacing (warping won't works if lines too long)
because i'm seeing they are setting to
22 chinese character on a single line. with fontsize=30

but i set sc font = 22, only can get 17 characters per line
else sc will give a error msg if 22 character on a line
if the character in a line is even longer sc will ignore it and shrink the line, and that will cause the 1st character on left go missing and will not give any msg with warping ON
but if i warping =off, thats even worst because chinese .ass file normally use spacing to break the long long line which make auto warping works in playing back avi+ass.

if i auto warping=off in sc i will end up having "ants" size character

please comments~ thanks

[Anime]

another problem,
This only happen sometimes,
it like whenever I SC wizard tools a test disc,
with use SC default palette, no menu
= success

the 2nd time i gonna mux my real disc
after delete away the test's VIDEO_TS & AUDIO_TS
and those muxman log, ini, mxp in SC_TEMP

muxman attempt to stalled at certain % like 49%
the muxman no matter how many tries always stuck there
(Have to CLT+ALT+DEL end process muxman)
no matter i delete SC_TEMP for re-run entire process anot.

but when this happen last week i restarted PC and it works again using the same decrypted files and same SC_TEMP

so today muxman stalled again so i manage get the last line of log

Starting scene Segment_1_scn10 at 00:48:20:04, requested for 00:48:20:02

i will also upload the entire sc_temp excluding m2v and wav to attachment

[diydougie]

Hi folks - can you help! i can't get my DVD to play through Subtitle creator. i can hear it OK, but I get a black screen, and all the subtitle colours go green! am i being stupid or does anyone know why it's doing this?

Thankd
Diydougie

[manusse]

Hi diydougie,

Some questions:

When you play a DVD and right-click on the video and chose About, what's the name of the DVD decoder?
Are you trying to play a srt file with your DVD?
Is the DVD you are trying to watch a home-made DVD or a commercial DVD?
What OS are you using (Win XP, Vista, ...) ?

Cheers
Manusse

[Anime]

is it possible to reverse .BMP back into .SUP within subtitlecreator? (since SC Tools is capable to save .BMP as well)

what is the .SUB option in wizard Tools? is it "submux" or "philips IMG" can it contains BMP instead flat text, i will like to import BMP to SC_wizard with INF end_time don't know if it is possible....
http://radkongo.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/overlapping-and-consecutive-subtitles-without-flicker/
(reason is that i cannot use muxman without the help of SC wizard tools on my PC ...lol)
______________________________________

I wanted to use such function because, (recently i played with MaestroSBT)
+1) I found that it has the technique auto to create cross-spanned OVERLAP timing creating images in between for entire OVERLAP or Same time exactly like what in SSA according to frame

+2) it have a function to auto position back to same area if overlap (SC attempt to center everything, SC will move the subpic if next line is shorter / longer, so supic shakes while overlap)

+3) it has the abilty to create the commercial like outline+body(neat subtitle) without dirty pixel around by default<<< Very good

+4) can use 2~3 color on font body in same subpic like commercial DVD (but must disable AA or even disable outline if 3 color)

above is the +4 points which i always banging this thread for.
-1) but it is also lack of ability to do "INF" END_TIME for overlap images so end up have to manualy do this
http://radkongo.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/overlapping-and-consecutive-subtitles-without-flicker/

-2) it also cannot deal with chinese sentence(without spacing) which is too long. it just ignore and screenshot

but because of -#2 for measuring!!!!! the amount of chinese/japanese/korean character it is easier in SRT
(i tight a thick line using masking tape to monitor exactly where dangerous area which SC started to eat 1st character on the left and i scroll along the SRT using notepad to add linebreak by hand)

but couldn't do that in ssa/ass since they using \N it is harder to see if exceed DVD screen anot.

so SC is still cool in some points ^^
Really hope SC can be updated some day....
good luck to manusse & all

[kumi]

it is also lack of ability to do "INF" END_TIME for overlap images so end up have to manualy do this
http://radkongo.wordpress.com/2007/10/08/overlapping-and-consecutive-subtitles-without-flicker/
I think that is a bad idea. Some (but not all) SAPs will not display any subsequent subpictures after one that does have an endtime specified. You often have to pause/unpause or fast-forward to get the subtitle "unstuck".

[manusse]

Some (but not all) SAPs will not display any subsequent subpictures after one that does have an endtime specified
However the overlapping subtitles can be useful (with no-end subtitles). If we limit its creation to subtitles built using srt files that have exactly the same end and start times this feature would then be used by karaoke people at their own risk. And this will change nothing for ordinary srt files.
Kumi, what do you think? Is the end time mandatory in the DVD specs or are those SAPs not fully compliant with it?

Cheers
Manusse

[kumi]

Kumi, what do you think? Is the end time mandatory in the DVD specs or are those SAPs not fully compliant with it?
Sorry, I don't know whether STP_DSP is mandatory, and in what conditions it must be used. It certainly has caused problems for me and others when it's missing, though. Maybe mpucoder or bigotti know the answer?

[Anime]

BUT commercial DVD from R1-US, R3-TW is using STP_DSP
I Also Notice that the Stuck only occurs in MPC?
sample>R1DVD>trimmed>overlap>STP_DSP>http://files.filefront.com/SUP_OVERLAP_N_2COLOR_SAMPErar/;7681499;;/fileinfo.html

I tested in Zoomplayer, PowerDVD, 2 x stanalone player(SOny, Philips).... they don't get stuck....

hehe lastly a very good news for myself i found a method to create Good Quality Subtitle at faster Speed, but currently still using part of SubtitleCreator Function
- Checking Too long Chinese Korean Japanese Character (SC will report if it really not that long..... SC also fail to repaort if it very very long)

- Using SubtitleCreator Wizard to create MXP(for my own needs only, due to i cannot control muxman freely at my low resolution)

the method i use now is this
======so now it is pretty simple as========
>ssa unicode any lang
>sync time
>edit style for DVD feed, assign to each ssa style
>Checking too long lines for chinese character manually using markings, masking Tape, strings and held at RISK area length character using srt display at notepad(MaestroSBT refuse to warp if no spacing but chinese structure sentences have no spacing..zzzzzz)
>Load to MaestroSBT to SST
>special 1sec feed script for INF time code for Muxman
>edit the mxp , sup to sst
>Run Muxman using MXP CLI created by SC...by prepared ready PGCDEMUX \SC_TEMP\ and don't start muxman automaticaly (trying BatchMux CLI soon)
>Voblanker
>Pgcedit
>test.... done!
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it is not only karaoke needed STP_DSP
alot of signs, title, overlap talking while one yet to accomplish speech while another starts.

this method is cool,

i no longer need dvdsubedit 1.384 to "INF" click 1 by 1, scrolling to exact needed area and finding all overlap / preparation for overlap area
which might takes few hour by hand if there is hundreds of overlap in 50min film,

i nolonger need to special position manually using ||||| and
shift the subtitle since SC centers it if overlap occur, also doesn't need to special placement and title sign symbol since all is in ssa position

i can have my longing for 2 color font body, my clean outline, my clean inner.... and lastly i can feel AA is also cool now, but not before....

but actually sync using srt is much accurate though...
or maybe because i already so used to SC after making so many SUP every week for a year....

my final words, i still cannot live SC thou...... since i think it is also as cool, espcially comes to Wizard TOol>auto PGCEDIT,muxman, voblanker

although i doesn't have much chance to use the wizard tools now but i got something to say
+Muxman often stalled in Wizard Tools, Happens normally if the DVD is like 4~7min only or created by nero with no menu
+sometimes voblanker also won't work giving some PGC ??? and stop. (but when i mux by ifoedit and manually voblanker it works...)
+i think somemore on the FLY can be added> DVDecryptor>pgcdemux>muxman>voblanker
+should not removed PUO in vob? (why not let voblanker do itself according to reg. setting of that user?)
+it not possible after many tries if Original INPUT is a DVD-ROM
(sc complaints that cannot write? or cannot project cross drive? is it because voblanker SC's setting is using nobackup +to itself and create a tmp project dir in original input source? that cause unwritable....?)

The Reason for my comments here
The reason i'm posting positive and negative comments in SC thread is because i actually like SC and i really hope my comments will make it better, and not to cause any anger ^^ good luck~

[nada83]

Hi
I have many .srt for lots of movies, so can I convert multi .srt into multi idx/sub with default profile at the same time by SC ?? Is there any batch or tools in SC can do that??

Thanks

[manusse]

You can use the CLI (Command Line Interface for that). Just type SubtitleCreator -help in a DOS command prompt and you'll see the help.

Cheers
Manusse

[nada83]

Thanks manusse. I got it. now i can convert all .srt with one click :). By the way, is there new version of SC with NTSC timing bug fixed??

[gurabli]

Hi!

I have a problem and I just can't find the solution for this.
I want to add a subtitle with the wizard. The DVD is NTSC but the subtitle is PAL. I change the framerate from 25 to 29.97 (also tried 23.976). I use the synchronize option, adjust the subtitle, and in preview everything works fine. After starting the wizard I end up with a subtitle having some delay, usually 1-3 seconds. But the preview is OK. What could be the problem or how to fix this?

[manusse]

Hi,

This problem may be related to a NTSC bug that I must correct some day.
If it is not a fixed delay but a drift of the subtitles'time a quick fix could be to convert the frequency using Synchronize->Convert frame rate using 30 to 29.97 or 29.97 to 30 depending on if you want to speed up your sub or slow it down.

If it's only a delay, just evaluate it and use Synchronize->Set Time delay

Hope it works.
Manusse

[tomywong]

Hi manusse,

I want to ask why SC-Manipulate function can't read SUP file from DVD Subtile Tools ? SC read sup, but display nothing.
Website here : http://web.quick.cz/FKasparek/Software/DVD/DVDSupTools.htm
File here :
http://web.quick.cz/FKasparek/Software/DVD/DVDSupTools16.zip

Inside zip, there's a sample sup file called "Alcatraz.sup"
Please try it, thank you.

-Tomy

[manusse]

Hi tomywong,

I suspect there is something wrong with this subtitle, not with SC.

I tried opening it with SupViewer and noticed that it also displays empty subtitles.
DVDSubEdit has also big problems displaying it.

Cheers
Manusse

[gurabli]

Hi,

This problem may be related to a NTSC bug that I must correct some day.
If it is not a fixed delay but a drift of the subtitles'time a quick fix could be to convert the frequency using Synchronize->Convert frame rate using 30 to 29.97 or 29.97 to 30 depending on if you want to speed up your sub or slow it down.

If it's only a delay, just evaluate it and use Synchronize->Set Time delay

Hope it works.
Manusse

Thank you for your answer! Yes, i heard about this NTSC bug - still, I don't know what the bug is exactly. I don't want to be rude, but can you please put this bug at the top of to-do list:) when working on the new SC version? I use NTSC releases which are not available in Europe (special edition 2 dvds, etc) and put my subtitles on them.

I think there is a fixed delay (around - 3.5 sec), but in preview it is displayed perfectly.
SC is a great tool and thanks to you (and all the others who are involved) for making it!

[nada83]

Hi,
Synchronize->Convert frame rate using 30 to 29.97 or 29.97 to 30

Hi Manusse , Can i convert frame rate by CLI (Command Line Interface for that) ? if Yes, what is the command??

Thanks a lots

[manusse]

Can i convert frame rate by CLI
No, it is not possible.

but can you please put this bug at the top of to-do list
It's already on my top list but not on the top of it. On the top are the bugs found recently by Anime a few of which will be available in the next beta in a few weeks/days. The problem is I have only a little time available for programming. I concentrate 100% on bug fixes and will not add new features before I'm finished with all those bugs. Paddington is very busy for the moment and hasn't got any time for programming although I know he's beginning to miss it. So he may be back in 2008. Who knows?

Cheers
Manusse

[rcrainman]

Ok. as a newbie I have used SC wizard and created an IFO file which plays with subtitles. I use my VLC and Power DVD to play the newly created file on my PC.
So, here is my problem..although, I searched this forum for an answer but either overlooked it or can't find it...How do I burn the completed file (with subs) to a DVD.
I've tried to burn it using various software but can't get the subtitles with it. Only the movie.

Any suggestions?
Thanks!

[vlada]

rcrainman
Your post is very confusing. If you created your DVD correctly, the subtitles are already included in the VOB files. You can't burn the DVD without them.

Btw. a great program to burn DVDs is ImgBurn.

[rcrainman]

Confusing... yeah, I know... If the subs are already incorporated into the new IFO file then I can't get them to burn on the DVD.
I did use imgburn. I also used DvdSanta and DVDFlick but no luck. It only successfully produced a DVD movie.
The same file directly off my hard drive plays great but only on my PC DVD player. It's driving me nuts..Cause its not logical..same file should duplicate 1:1 complete. BTW using SC v2.2 to create. The original movie did not have subs. I added them.
Any other thoughts...I may be doing something wrong..If anyone out there can spot it ..The input would be greatly appreciated.

[vlada]

Please try to be more specific. What do you mean by "I can't get them to burn on the DVD"?

[manusse]

You must burn the whole VIDEO_TS file plus an empty AUDIO_TS directory onto your DVD in video mode (Nero does it well for example, but any DVD burning software should do it as well).
As vlada wrote, the subs are in the VOB files, the IFO files hold useful information for playing the DVD (number of DVD subtitles, audios, their languages, subtitles'color palettes, ...)

Cheers
Manusse

[rcrainman]

Thats what I burn "the entire VIDEO_TS file plus an empty AUDIO_TS directory onto a DVD in video mode"
Appearently, the VOB files are not incorporating the sub titles I generated in Subtitle Creator. Tried several Burn programs and all produced a playable DVD. No problem. But No Subtitles.

I'll keep trying...Thanks much!

[rcrainman]

Encountered another problem using Subtitle Creator. Each time I use the Wizard or load the VOB file I am trying to add subtitles onto. I get a dialog box saying "Subtitle Creator has encountered a problem & needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience" and it closes. I tried loading the film directly and with the Wizard several times but got same message and had to close program. I removed SubtitleCreator 2.2 from my PC and completely reloaded the program. Still got the same message.
Any ideas?

[manusse]

Appearently, the VOB files are not incorporating the sub titles I generated in Subtitle Creator

Did you check the date/time information of the files you burnt to be sure that you are not burning the original files (that don't include your added subtitles).

For the bug, please post the full exception text.

Cheers
Manusse

[rcrainman]

Sure did..But I think my problem was operator error. After realizing that SubtitleCreator was shutting down in the read cycle of the video_ts file. I went through the menu and found that the profile setting was defaulting to a different aspect ratio then that of the DVD I was using. Which was 16:1. Once I set that, the problem with SC went away. I am going to follow the wizard to see and recreate the subtitle file if I get the film with subtitles I will post results.
Thanks!

[framura]

Hi,

I would like to use SubtitleCreator to extract images from HD-DVD sup file and use them to re-author.

I know SB can read HD-DVD sup files but the extracted images (PNG) have SD dimensions and on HD movie are too small.

Do you think to add an HD images extraction for an HD sup file?

TIA

Alex

[manusse]

Hi,

Some day, SC will do it. However, now we are fixing important bugs. I think EVODemux can do what you ask.

Cheers Manusse

[framura]

Hi Manusse,

Not Evodemux but Supread can extract images from HD-DVD sup file but these images are full-resolution (1920x1080) and 24 bit (images from SubCreator have variable dimensions and 8bit depth:In this way I can arrange subtitle position as I wish).

Manusse, please ;)

TIA

Alex

[manusse]

Hi framura,

I see your point. I will do it in the future but only after important bugs are fixed.
I hope you will donate then :-)
Could you please enter your request into SubtitleCreator's project page in SourceForge so that I don't forget it.

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=686310&group_id=120228&func=browse

Cheers
Manusse

[framura]

Hi Manusse,

thanks: I will donate for sure. :thanks:

I am posting on sourceforge in this moment.

Thanks again.

Cheers
Alex

[patou7067]

Hi everybody !

I've got a big problem with the Google Trasnlation option in the Tools.
When I start the translation i got the message in the Output field: The index is outside the limits of the table.

What's wong and how can I fix it ?

[patou7067]

Hi everybody !

I've got a big problem with the Google Trasnlation option in the Tools.
When I start the translation i got the message in the Output field: The index is outside the limits of the table.

What's wong and how can I fix it ?

I think I found where the problem is. If you type the subtitle text in the translation field in Google and then click on translate, you get a new page with the following message:
We're sorry...
... but your query looks similar to automated requests from a computer virus or spyware application. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now.

We'll restore your access as quickly as possible, so try again soon. In the meantime, if you suspect that your computer or network has been infected, you might want to run a virus checker or spyware remover to make sure that your systems are free of viruses and other spurious software.

We apologize for the inconvenience, and hope we'll see you again on Google.

So the error message in Subtitlecreator v2.2 appears because of the spyware and virus "Test" now included in Google Translation Tools.
At the End of the page you need to enter some letter to continue the translation. What a s*** !

Is there a possibility to check this out and make it possible to use the Google translation in SC v2.2. ?

Thanks for your help.
Patou

[mashiwen]

I use it to ocr the sub from movie A Clockwork Orange hddvd
and work perfect.When will it support blue-ray sup files?Thanks

[Kurtnoise]

@Manusse: how can I avoid the overlapping with this font (Segoe UI) ?

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/74/sc0231122007122723iy3.png

[Paddington]

Hi everybody !

I've got a big problem with the Google Trasnlation option in the Tools.
When I start the translation i got the message in the Output field: The index is outside the limits of the table.

What's wong and how can I fix it ?
Google translate have changed their layout. Since this technique is based on screen scraping (Google doesn't have a public interface, AFAIK), it cannot find the text anymore. This will be solved in the next release.

[Paddington]

@Manusse: how can I avoid the overlapping with this font (Segoe UI) ?

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/74/sc0231122007122723iy3.png
The problem is that Microsoft's measurement of font widths is buggy (or at least I don't know how to compensate for it :-), and the same measurement function returns different results for different fonts. Some of them are OK, yours clearly isn't. What happens if you add a couple of spaces... I don't have your font, so cannot try it out.

If that works, make sure that, after you save it, you turn off the feature the automatically clean up spaces on load (Settings menu).

[Kurtnoise]

Thanks Paddington, that does the trick...

[gurabli]

Hi!

I have a movie on a DVD with two versions of the movie. One is the theatrical and the second is the Director's Cut. How can I add subtitles in this case?
Regards,
gurabli

[Paddington]

So the error message in Subtitlecreator v2.2 appears because of the spyware and virus "Test" now included in Google Translation Tools.

The problem is NOT related to spyware! It's just because Google does not like automatic querying. And since SC is doing just that, sending potentially hundreds of queries (every subtitle line is one query) at about 1 query per second, they stop you from accessing. For now, I can only think of two ways to avoid this:

Cut your subtitle file into several smaller pieces
Use an anonymizer tool, so to Google, it will look that every query is coming from a different location, and they won't be able to block you

In the future, I might be able to add a delay factor, but I don't know what the delay between successive queries has to be. Suggestions are welcome!

[Paddington]

Hi!

I have a movie on a DVD with two versions of the movie. One is the theatrical and the second is the Director's Cut. How can I add subtitles in this case?
Regards,
gurabli

Good question - it depends a bit on how they are written on the DVD. If each of them is in a separate title set, you can do it manually, i.e. use PgcDemux to demux both title sets, create two subtitles, and mux the titles again with muxman. VobBlanker can then be used to insert the newly created title sets into the original menu.

In case there is only one title set, with some conditional branching, that might be trickier... If there are existing subtitles, I would demux everything, and create two new sups, each one being synchronized with the normal versus Director's cut version. And then adding them together again using muxman. However, i'm not so sure whether muxman can do that, as you would have to recreate the conditional branching as before...

That would be a good question to ask mpucoder or some of the other experts out there.

[gurabli]

Good question - it depends a bit on how they are written on the DVD. If each of them is in a separate title set, you can do it manually, i.e. use PgcDemux to demux both title sets, create two subtitles, and mux the titles again with muxman. VobBlanker can then be used to insert the newly created title sets into the original menu.

In case there is only one title set, with some conditional branching, that might be trickier... If there are existing subtitles, I would demux everything, and create two new sups, each one being synchronized with the normal versus Director's cut version. And then adding them together again using muxman. However, i'm not so sure whether muxman can do that, as you would have to recreate the conditional branching as before...

That would be a good question to ask mpucoder or some of the other experts out there.

There is only one title set. The DC version is somewhat longer than than the theatrical, and only the extra scenes are added during playback.
I'll try to add two subtitles - one for theatrical and one for dc , will see the results and post them here.

[patou7067]

The problem is NOT related to spyware! It's just because Google does not like automatic querying. And since SC is doing just that, sending potentially hundreds of queries (every subtitle line is one query) at about 1 query per second, they stop you from accessing. For now, I can only think of two ways to avoid this:

Cut your subtitle file into several smaller pieces
Use an anonymizer tool, so to Google, it will look that every query is coming from a different location, and they won't be able to block you

In the future, I might be able to add a delay factor, but I don't know what the delay between successive queries has to be. Suggestions are welcome!

Yes, that's right. Thanks a lot for your answer/: I'll try this and I'll tell you if this works. See you later

Patou :)

[patou7067]

Google translate have changed their layout. Since this technique is based on screen scraping (Google doesn't have a public interface, AFAIK), it cannot find the text anymore. This will be solved in the next release.

Great to know that you'll try to fix it in the next release..and Happy New year.. Best wisches..

Patou :)

[Wackyphill]

Has anyone ever had trouble converting a SUP file from an HDDVD to vobsub format?

For me, it always stops loading in the SUP file after about 12 minutes of the film. I get those subtitles but not the rest that should come after.

This happens on XP and Vista. Although "sometimes" on Vista this exception is thrown:

System.ArgumentException: Parameter is not valid.
at System.Drawing.Bitmap..ctor(Int32 width, Int32 height, Graphics g)
at SubtitleCreator.SUPPreviewForm.OnPaint(PaintEventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.PaintWithErrorHandling(PaintEventArgs e, Int16 layer, Boolean disposeEventArgs)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmPaint(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ScrollableControl.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ContainerControl.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)


I PM'd Manusse about this and he was unable to reproduce this on his machine. I was just curious if anyone has run in to this? I'm at a loss how else to have subtitles playback w/ my HDDVD MKV backup.

Thanks for any info.

[Wackyphill]

I just had a chance to run the program on an older Pentium4 machine and it ran fine. Is it possible this is a bug that is related to multi-threading and shows up on newer multi-core processors but not older ones?

[manusse]

A bit hard to tell. If you could for example build a debug version of SubtitleCreator and run in in debug mode within SharpDevelop, you would then be able to catch the exception and this would help us know what's happening.

Cheers
Manusse

[Wackyphill]

A bit hard to tell. If you could for example build a debug version of SubtitleCreator and run in in debug mode within SharpDevelop, you would then be able to catch the exception and this would help us know what's happening.

Cheers
Manusse

I tried to run the source in debug mode, but didn't get far. It builds but got the following error when it tried to run:

Exception System.TypeInitializationException was thrown in debuggee:
The type initializer for 'SubtitleCreator.Settings' threw an exception.

Main() - ... PreviewForm.cs:156,4

[manusse]

Ok, so if you could change the code around the line of the exception by this one:


static void Main(string[] args)
{
try
{
// Uninstall application
foreach (string argument in args) {
if (argument.Split('=')[0].ToLower() == "/u") {
string guid = argument.Split('=')[1];
string path = Environment.GetFolderPath(Environment.SpecialFolder.System);
//System.Diagnostics.ProcessStartInfo si = new System.Diagnostics.ProcessStartInfo(path + @"\msiexec.exe", @"/i " + guid);
System.Diagnostics.ProcessStartInfo si = new System.Diagnostics.ProcessStartInfo(path + Path.DirectorySeparatorChar + "msiexec.exe", @"/i " + guid);
System.Diagnostics.Process.Start(si);
return;
}
}
}
catch(Exception e)
{
Console.WriteLine ("Caught: {0}", e.Message);
Console.WriteLine ("Inner Exception is {0}",e.InnerException);
}


// I needed to prevent the main window from popping up: probably the Application.Exit() has a
// delay, as it doesn't exit immediately.


This should display a more detailed message about the exception.

Cheers
Manusse

(Also if you have the time and patience we can try to narrow down the bug together using MSN. In this case PM me please so that we can arrange for an online meeting).

[Hogan77]

I got problems with every version I have tried. Whenever I run it, it will crash and asks if I would like to send an error report to ms.

Here's a picture of it, hopefully anybody can tell me how to get it running.

http://www.freepicshost.net/pview.php?fid=8007&fname=SubtitleCreator-error.PNG

[manusse]

Questions:

What is your OS?
Is .Net 2.0 installed?
How much memory does your PC have?
Did you try on another computer (if possible)?

Manusse

[Hogan77]

- Win XP Sp2
- .NET installed, use several .NET applications without problems.
- 1GB
- Haven't tried it on another pc. If you have a version that doesn't have to be installed on your pc. And you can just extract the files to a folder and execute the application. Then I can try it on another pc.

[manusse]

Just copy the files from SC's directory. There is no need for installing except if you want to be able to preview your subtitles on top of the video (in this case, the DirectShow filter needs to be registered) which is not your case, at least for the moment.

Otherwise your configuration seems just fine. Did it work once? Because by default SC will open at startup the last open file. And sometimes if this file is not correct there will be an exception. And then it will become impossible to open SC again as it tries to open this incorrect subtitle file and fails. A way to fix it is indicated in this message:

http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=881019&postcount=57

Hope this helps
Cheers
Manusse

[Hogan77]

You are right, I got one file MRU.txt, renamed it and now I can use SC. Thanks for the help manusse. Maybe it's not a good default setting to open the last used file. ;)
The first thing I did was to make it not open last file opened. :)

[manusse]

Ok, good that it worked. I would be interested in your (bugged) srt file. Could you please send it to me (you can put it on a file sharing site and PM me the link).

Cheers
Manusse

[Hogan77]

Ok, good that it worked. I would be interested in your (bugged) srt file. Could you please send it to me (you can put it on a file sharing site and PM me the link).

Cheers
Manusse
It's done. :)

[Wackyphill]

Ok, so if you could change the code around the line of the exception by this one:


static void Main(string[] args)
{
try
{
// Uninstall application
foreach (string argument in args) {
if (argument.Split('=')[0].ToLower() == "/u") {
string guid = argument.Split('=')[1];
string path = Environment.GetFolderPath(Environment.SpecialFolder.System);
//System.Diagnostics.ProcessStartInfo si = new System.Diagnostics.ProcessStartInfo(path + @"\msiexec.exe", @"/i " + guid);
System.Diagnostics.ProcessStartInfo si = new System.Diagnostics.ProcessStartInfo(path + Path.DirectorySeparatorChar + "msiexec.exe", @"/i " + guid);
System.Diagnostics.Process.Start(si);
return;
}
}
}
catch(Exception e)
{
Console.WriteLine ("Caught: {0}", e.Message);
Console.WriteLine ("Inner Exception is {0}",e.InnerException);
}


// I needed to prevent the main window from popping up: probably the Application.Exit() has a
// delay, as it doesn't exit immediately.


This should display a more detailed message about the exception.

Cheers
Manusse

(Also if you have the time and patience we can try to narrow down the bug together using MSN. In this case PM me please so that we can arrange for an online meeting).


Sorry, I got distracted and didn't get back to you earlier. The source I have gets an index out of range error here:

myProfile = (Profile) Profiles[1];

This is in the Settings.cs file: ReadProfiles() Line 1261

[manusse]

I really don't undertstand what's happening. Normally when opening a HD-SUP file, there is no reason that you go through the ReadProfiles() method.

I really don't see what's happening????

[Wackyphill]

Yeah, Probably so.

But I'm not getting that far w/ the source.

When the App starts at line 158 of PreviewForm.cs:

mySettings = Settings.Instance;

This triggers that exception.

[manusse]

I don't get it. You mention 3 different exceptions:

Main() - ... PreviewForm.cs:156,4
Settings.cs file: ReadProfiles() Line 1261
line 158 of PreviewForm.cs: - mySettings = Settings.Instance;

Which one do you see?

Manusse

[Wackyphill]

I believe they are all the same. I don't really get it either, but if I step through the main() I get no further than line 158:

mySettings = Settings.Instance;

If I catch the exception that is thrown at that line its innerException's stack trace says:

at System.Collections.ArrayList.get_Item(Int32 index)
at SubtitleCreator.Settings.ReadProfiles() line 1261
at SubtitleCreator.Settings..ctor() line 266
at SubtitleCreator.Settings..ctor() line 82

[manusse]

I may have an idea.

Where did you get the source files from?
You're running a debug build, aren't you?

Cheers
Manusse

[Wackyphill]

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=120228&package_id=251117

I'm running the source w/ debugging on.

[manusse]

Ok, this is not really a bug. This is due to the fact that you are running a debug built and that the sources are not adapted so as to allow debug builts to run easily. This has been fixed under SVN.

But what you can easily do to fix this nasty bug is:
copy all what you see under bin/Release to bin/Debug (Data, Documentation and Examples folders and their contents). This should do the job and you should be able to run a debug built.

Then we will be able to concentrate on your real bug.

Cheers
Manusse

[Wackyphill]

Ahh, I see. OK Yup that worked. Thanks.
I'll be abe to try it out now and get back to on the real bug.

Thank you.

[molitar]

Help.. I followed the procedures here for how to add subtitle to dvd (http://forum.videohelp.com/topic338721.html) but the new video_ts folder showed an enable subtitles but no subtitles showed up. Something must be wrong with this guide so what am I doing wrong and how do I get this to work properly?

Also I was missing vobblanker.exe the first time and now even after setting it.. stupid program keeps telling me it can't find the file.. as if it's using some older config somewhere even tho I have reset to default many times. This really seems buggy to me.

[molitar]

Ok after finally getting this application to run properly finally showing subtitles at preview.. but when I run the DVD Authorizing Wizard their is no subtitles at all! What is wrong? why can't I get subtitles to work?

[manusse]

The DVD authoring wizard is used to add one of your subtitles (srt, sub, vobsub or sup) to an existing DVD.

What is exactly your problem (what are you trying to do and where are you stuck?).

Cheers
Manusse

[molitar]

Ok after many trials.. I finally got it happy with the dvd decoder.. but if you right click on the video file than the program completely locks you out and all you can do is watch the show or alt+end+task the app. Second problem now that I finally got subs working on preview when I use the DVD Authoring Wizard the timing starts out perfectly fine but after about 6 minutes or so the timing is so far off that it becomes unwatchable.

Issues I have had.

1. Converting ASS to SRT using Subtitle Workshop looks fine but when I load it in Subtitle Creator their is several negative timing values that I had to manually fix.

2. If for some reason your missing one of the applications like I was VobBlanker (because I had blankvob wrong app) than it does not ask you path again. You have to reinstall to get default settings back so it will ask you where these applications are located. Their really should be an application path setting where it can be set manually.

3. Lack of instructions saying you need to convert srt to sup before you can actually mux.

4. Timing for subs are way off and makes the remuxed video unuseable.

5. Lack of real explaining about what DVD Decoders worked.. I finally installed trial version of PowerDVD 6.5 and copied all the .ax files and dropped them into their own folder.. Uninstalled PowerDVD and registered the ax files and was finally in business. But nowhere in the manual does it say actually what files are required I know that all these files were not but I end up registering them all just to make it work.

6. Sometimes while previewing subtitles the sound will stutter.

But the main issue now is with timing. I have not been able to successfully add subtitles to a DVD that had no subtitles to begin with. Timing is always off.

[molitar]

Well I have tried absolutely everything. When I preview the subtitles the timing is quite accurate but when I make the sup file and than mux them the timing is all off..

Is no one able to help me with this problem? I have spent an entire day now trying to use the DVD Authoring and every single time the subtitle timing is off.. what do I need to do for timing?

[molitar]

I have definitely found a bug with SubtitleCreator. When I load in a good clean SRT (tested with subtitle workshop) it always takes these lines of code and makes negative timing values out of them. Seems SC does not like overlapping times.

11
00:00:53,870 --> 00:01:02,440
HEroAP Presents

12
00:00:53,870 --> 00:01:02,440
Visit us at
http:/www. heroap. org/

13
00:00:55,700 --> 00:01:02,440
Second Volume

14
00:00:55,700 --> 00:01:02,440
Crimson Martyrdom


tuns these three lines into this in timing.

11
00:01:02,441 --> 00:01:02,440
HEroAP Presents

12
00:01:02,441 --> 00:01:02,440
Second Volume

13
00:01:02,441 --> 00:01:02,440
Crimson Martyrdom

Is their any fix for this problem?

[molitar]

Ok now SubtitleCreator just blew up on me completely.. It won't run at all.. it gives me Could not get interfaces!specified cast is not valid. whenever I try to load the video in.

[manusse]

Could not get interfaces!specified cast is not valid

This may be related to a DirectShow problem. Try rebooting your PC.

Cheers
Manusse

[molitar]

This may be related to a DirectShow problem. Try rebooting your PC.

Cheers
Manusse

I have tried a reboot.. even tried reinstalling DirectX just now.. and now trying reinstalling my nvidia drivers so far no luck.

[manusse]

First try to unselect sub preview: Go to Settings and unselect Overlay Subtitles on DVD. Try playing your DVD.

Cheers
Manusse

[manusse]

5. Lack of real explaining about what DVD Decoders worked.. I finally installed trial version of PowerDVD 6.5 and copied all the .ax files and dropped them into their own folder.. Uninstalled PowerDVD and registered the ax files and was finally in business. But nowhere in the manual does it say actually what files are required I know that all these files were not but I end up registering them all just to make it work.
Have you read the documentation? Let me quote it:
We recommend the use of PowerDVD 6 (Version 4 and 6 have been tested successfully).

Cheers
Manusse

[molitar]

First try to unselect sub preview: Go to Settings and unselect Overlay Subtitles on DVD. Try playing your DVD.

Cheers
Manusse

Ok unselecting Overlay Subtitles I was able to play the DVD. But why would this suddenly change it was working perfectly before.. also what about the timing issues I am having? Let me state that this is a DVD that currently has no subtitles at all that I am trying to add subtitles too.

BTW is it a known bug that SC does not remember window position?

Ok after further testing I have discovered it maybe an issue with settings and SC Preferred Decoder.. I left it checked and did this.. unchecked preferred decoder.. opened dvd.. than rechecked preferred decoder and it worked. After doing this now it's opening even when preferred decoder is checked before opening. Perhaps settings are not saving properly or something to that effect?

[manusse]

This means that SubtitleCreator is unable to build a graph with your DVD decoder and with SCSubtitle filter. Maybe there is a problem with your codec registrations.

About the timing issues, is it a NTSC disc?

Manusse

[molitar]

This means that SubtitleCreator is unable to build a graph with your DVD decoder and with SCSubtitle filter. Maybe there is a problem with your codec registrations.

About the timing issues, is it a NTSC disc?

Manusse

Yes it is an NTSC disc

[manusse]

OK,

This may be related to the following bug:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1007483#post1007483

In your case, try to change the frequency of the file from 29.97 to 30 fps before converting it to SUP.

Cheers
Manusse

[Mitre]

Hello. I installed this program to add subtitles in Spanish to a French movie that has subtitles in english.

I ripped the movie to a folder and I used SRip to get an srt of the English subtitles. And I downloaded from the net the srt of the movie in Spanish.

I used SC in Express mode to import the srt in spanish and I also brought in the English
srt to synchronize the two files. I also pointed the program to the proper ifo to find info on colour table.

Then I brought in the movie and I was able to see Spanish subtitles on the movie. They were right on the money. So I created an sup file. I noticed though that the English subtitles and the Spanish subtitles looked different. The English subtitles were brighter and smaller as compared with the Spanish ones. But this is what SC decided to do, so I left it that way.

Finally I opened DVD Authoring Wizard and I pointed the program to the movie, I created a folder for the output. I did not mark the Extract original SUP from DVD.

I went to step 3 and I left the number 2, I picked es Spanish and I pointed the program to the sup file that SC had previously created. I did mark Use prefered subtitle colors and I did not select "Position the original ..."

I hit START. Demultiplexing went OK and MuxMan started multiplexing the new DVD (that was the message I read). After a while I received an error message from VobBlanker ...

Error: Unable to stat (Drive):\(Subdirectory were I have the original movie)\Remuxed\VTS_01_0.IFO. (I don't know what "stat" means.

I'm running AMD processor Athlon 64 Directx 9c 1.5G of memory


Any suggestions on what to do next will be greatly appreciated.:confused::thanks:

[manusse]

Hi,

There can be 2 reasons for your problem:

1) Not enough drive space. You need at least 3 times the size of the original DVD of free HDD space. So generally between 15Gb and 25Gb depending on your DVD.

2) Maybe there is a problem with the path that you are using to create your new DVD. I advice that you don't use long paths and also don't use spaces in the pathname. For example, try to use something like C:\myDVD.

Also, don't tick "Use prefered subtitle colors " it's for DVD where there are no original subtitles.

Cheers
Manusse

[Mitre]

Hi again:

I renamed the subdirectories "DOS" style. FPOR\VIDEO_TS contains the original movie. When selecting output location, I called it FPNE. The 3rd subdirectory asked for, I called it FPTE. I renamed the sup file PSESP.sup (originally this file had a long name with spaces in-between). This time, I didn't mark "Position the original ...".
I hit start and the same problem re-occurred. On the top of the window it says 66% of authoring done... On the bottom it says:
VobBlanker is updating the original DVD.
Free space in the hardrive is 139Gb.
When I take a look into the Remuxed subdirectory I see a VIDEO_TS.IFO of 0KB, and VTS_01_1->4. No VTS_01_0. No other file. The original project has 7 title_sets.

MuxManlog says at the very beginning:

MuxMan version 0.15R
Opened script file J:\FPTE\SC_TEMP\MuxManProject.mxp
Accepted video J:\FPTE\SC_TEMP\VideoFile.m2v size = 3765030293
Accepted audio J:\FPTE\SC_TEMP\AudioFile_80.ac3
Accepted audio J:\FPTE\SC_TEMP\AudioFile_81.ac3
Opened sub 1 file J:\FPTE\SC_TEMP\Subpictures_20.sup.
Opened sub 2 file J:\FPOR\PSESP.sup.

After all the processing it says:
Fields: 258074, VOBU: 8602, Sectors: 1976100.
Video decoder buffer underflowed 3 times.
Check c:\muxman.log for details.
Resulting DVD will probably not play smoothly.

The moment I accept the error message, the Remuxed subdirectory disappears.

Another side effect I noticed. When I start VobBlanker after running SC, it's window is gone. Luckily, there is a "Remove_VobBlanker_WindowCoordinates.reg" that when run, brings the window back. VobBlanker version is 2.1.3.0

That's it.

Regards

[manusse]

The moment I accept the error message, the Remuxed subdirectory disappears.

That's normal because the remuxed directory is considered a temporary directory thus deleted by SC after the process has been completed to save HDD space.

After that does VobBlanker run or not?

I didn't really understand if you could complete your new DVD or not.

The final resulting files will be located in a VIDEO_TS directory.

Cheers
Manusse

[Mitre]

No ... I don't get the dvd done. It seems that VobBlanker starts and crash almost immediately ... and doesn't do much. The folder that is supposed to contain the final movie, only contains 2 files... vts_01_0.vob (65Kb) and vts_01_1.vob (0Kb). Nothing else.

Excuse me if I confused you. I use VobBlanker often as a standalone application. What I meant to say is this.

1. MuxMan seems to finish. At least you can see some files in that Remux folder.

2. VobBlanker seems to start, and you can read the message that states that VobBlanker is updating the original DVD and almost immediately the error message appears.

3. When I accept the error message, the remux folder disappears and there are only those two files that I mentioned above on the folder that is supposed to contain the final project.

4. Then ... if I start on my own VobBlanker to do something else, is that I see that the main window is gone. After running the "Remove_VobBlanker_WindowCoordinates.reg" file, VobBlanker works again normally.

SC starts VobBlanker, but I never see any evidence of VobBlanker running, other than the message on the bottom of the SC window and the error message in its own window.

Just reading the error message, it seems that VobBlanker can't find a file in Remux. If that is the case, it would seem that the file has not been created or is somewhere else. I don't know which application creates the Remux folder, but this application is not placing there all the files that VobBlanker is expecting to find.

Regards

[molitar]

I seem to have found a timing bug with the latest version. After editing the timing of a subtitle it does not take affect until you resave the srt and reload it. This is quite the pain because than I have to scroll back down to the line I was working on. This is the only method to get the timing modification that I make to appear in the preview feature.

Also can you please make the window remember it's size and position? Also the size of the panel is not saved either so I can read all the subtitle position adjustments I have to always resize the video panel.

Feature Request: I would like to see the full time shown. Not just hh:mm but hh:mm:ss,z this way it would make it alot easier for modifying timing. Currently it's a real pain.. guestimate adjustment from just the hh:mm > modify time > save > reload > test new timing.

[manusse]

@Mitre
Could you post the muxmanlog and LogFile.txt files (use a file sharing service).

@molitar
I seem to have found a timing bug with the latest version. After editing the timing of a subtitle it does not take affect until you resave the srt and reload it.
Do you mean only with the latest version (and which one?). Also what do you mean by it does not take effect?

I would like to see the full time shown. Not just hh:mm but hh:mm:ss,z
Could you please post a screen copy because I don't know which screen of SC you are writing about.

Cheers
Manusse

[molitar]

@Mitre
@molitar

Do you mean only with the latest version (and which one?). Also what do you mean by it does not take effect?

Could you please post a screen copy because I don't know which screen of SC you are writing about.

Cheers
Manusse

Version 2.2. When I edit the timing of the subtitle in the SRT file and than do a preview the timing still uses the old timing not the new timing adjustment. I have to save the srt than reload the srt than I can test for timing.

Screenshot shows the upper panel. When I drag the panel size down it does not remember the panel size. Everytime I load the software I have to resize the panel. Not how the default size has the font positioning controls truncated.

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd300/molitar/Paneldoesnotremembersize.png

BTW a question for you.. after I convert my srt to sup I notice that the muxed timing is off by about a half to one second off. Is their an easy method to fix this or is this a minor bug with srt to sup conversion? If I can figure out how far off the timing is maybe I can compensate for it in srt making it slightly off to hopefully improve on the timing of the sup conversion. I convert the srt to sup than use dvd authoring and since the video originally has no subtitles I can not use the other method to try to synchronize the sup.

And last question I have is how do I get the subtitle colors to save? After muxing the colors are not the colors I chose at all.

[hatsa]

I'm getting exception when opening app.

Details:

************** Exception Text **************
System.ArgumentException: Parameter is not valid.
at System.Drawing.Drawing2D.GraphicsPath.AddString(String s, FontFamily family, Int32 style, Single emSize, PointF origin, StringFormat format)
at SubtitleCreator.Subtitle.String2Path(String orgString, Graphics g, Rectangle subWindow, Int32 lines)
at SubtitleCreator.PreviewForm.OnPaint(PaintEventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.PaintWithErrorHandling(PaintEventArgs e, Int16 layer, Boolean disposeEventArgs)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmPaint(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ScrollableControl.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ContainerControl.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WndProc(Message& m)
at SubtitleCreator.PreviewForm.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)


************** Loaded Assemblies **************
mscorlib
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.42 (RTM.050727-4200)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v2.0.50727/mscorlib.dll
----------------------------------------
SubtitleCreator
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.0.0
CodeBase: file:///H:/Program%20Files/DVD/SubtitleCreator/SubtitleCreator.exe
----------------------------------------
System.Windows.Forms
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.42 (RTM.050727-4200)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Windows.Forms/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Windows.Forms.dll
----------------------------------------
System
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.42 (RTM.050727-4200)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll
----------------------------------------
System.Drawing
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.42 (RTM.050727-4200)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Drawing/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Drawing.dll
----------------------------------------
DShowNET
Assembly Version: 1.0.0.1
Win32 Version: 1.0.0.1
CodeBase: file:///H:/Program%20Files/DVD/SubtitleCreator/DShowNET.DLL
----------------------------------------
System.Xml
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.42 (RTM.050727-4200)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Xml/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Xml.dll
----------------------------------------
ListViewEx
Assembly Version: 1.0.2297.19690
Win32 Version: 1.0.2297.19690
CodeBase: file:///H:/Program%20Files/DVD/SubtitleCreator/ListViewEx.DLL
----------------------------------------
SubtitleCreator.resources
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.0.0
CodeBase: file:///H:/Program%20Files/DVD/SubtitleCreator/en/SubtitleCreator.resources.DLL
----------------------------------------

I tried installing .net/Framework 2 again and renamed Mru.txt, but nothing helped.

Thanks for help!

[manusse]

It's a bit hard to tell. I really don't see how to help you. Just to be sure of how it's occuring.

Did it work before?
When does it happen?

Cheers
Manusse

[hatsa]

I have tried previous version too. Problem occurs everytime I launch program. I could bypass it, but when I try to convert sup to srt, it happens again.

Thanks!

[manusse]

when I try to convert sup to srt, it happens again

Do you mean srt to sup? If that's the case then please post your srt file on a file sharing site and send me its address by PM, I will have a look.

If it's really sup to srt, could you please explain how you are doing?

Cheers
Manusse

[hatsa]

There's Translate Sup to Srt option in Tools!!

[manusse]

Hi,

There must be a problem in your SUP file. Could you please put your SUP file to a file sharing site and then send me a link to it using the PM.

Cheers
Manusse

[hatsa]

Hi Manusse!

I don't think that problem is with sup file, because error occurs when launching app and again when I'm trying to convert to srt.

Here's link: sup Hatsa.rar (18.6 Kb ) (http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id2588383668.html)

Thanks!

[manusse]

Hi,

I had a look at your sup file. There is a sup + an idx file. Normally it's a sub plus an idx. I checked and in your case you don't need the idx file. Just delete it (or rename it) and only open the sup file. Did you try to open the idx file?

Otherwise, I don't really understand your problem.

I have tried previous version too. Problem occurs everytime I launch program. I could bypass it

How did you bypass it? Try to deselect the following : Settings -> Automatically load last used subtitle file. And Save Settings. Then close and open again. Tell me what happens.

Manusse

[FitzGerald]

Just wanted to drop by the thread and say I'm still using this product and thanks for the time you have spent on it. Even with the NTSC timing bug it's really useful for what I've been using it for (srt to vobsub conversion). I haven't explored all of the features, but the fact that you have been dropping in this forum and responsive is very impressive.

[manusse]

Thanks FitzGerald,

I try to do my best. This message just to tell you that we are still working to prepare a new version with bug fixes (my part) and new features (Paddington's part). For example it should be possible to use bitmaps to generate SUP or VobSub files.... Also Overlapping subs with again be enabled. For the NTSC bug, it's still on my TODO list but as you proposed a fix I didn't put it on the very top. Anyway depending on the release date it may be fixed by then.

Just be patient.

Cheers
Manusse

[saint-francis]

Are there any plans to implement support for BD SUP files the way there is for HD DVD SUP's?

[manusse]

Yes, there are but for now, I am busy fixing annoying bugs and enhancing a bit working features and Paddington is busy adding cool new features. Unfortunately BD-SUP won over HD-SUP although HD-SUP were not very much different from SD-SUP and implementation was quite easy. For BD-SUP you'll have to wait a bit. I hope we will implement it in 2008.

Cheers
Manusse

[Kurtnoise]

@Manusse:

some errors during the compilation against the last revision :

Compilation en cours WebWagon
C:\tmp\SC\PreviewForm.resx(3316,5) : Erreur MSB3103: Fichier Resx non valide. La valeur demandée 'Del' est introuvable. Ligne 3316, position 5.
C:\tmp\SC\SUPPreviewForm.resx(635,5) : Erreur MSB3103: Fichier Resx non valide. La valeur demandée 'Del' est introuvable. Ligne 635, position 5.
Construction terminée avec succès.


Any hint ?

[manusse]

Hi Kurtnoise,

Paddington is actively enhancing SC so it may occur that you are compiling a non stabilized version. I've just tried to compile the last updated files and there was no problem. I could succesfuly compile it. It may also depend on what version of SharpDevelop you are using (I am using v2.2.0 build 2595).

EDIT: Also I remember now that I had the exact same error because Internet Explorer 7 was installed on my PC. I removed it and installed IE6.0 and it worked. However I can't explain why.

Cheers

Manusse

[Kurtnoise]

I'm using SharpDevelop 2.2.2648 but by removing IE7 I get the same error.

can you upload a build (via mediafire or something) please ? I need to test something...:p

[Paddington]

Are there any plans to implement support for BD SUP files the way there is for HD DVD SUP's?
Does anyone know their specification? I would be interested to find out more about them. And are there already freeware muxers and demuxers available?

[manusse]

can you upload a build (via mediafire or something) please ? I need to test something...

Here (http://rapidshare.com/files/97975744/Kurt.zip.html) it is.

Manusse

[Paddington]

I'm using SharpDevelop 2.2.2648 but by removing IE7 I get the same error.

can you upload a build (via mediafire or something) please ? I need to test something...:p

I've just downloaded the latest version from
https://subtitlecreator.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/subtitlecreator/trunk, and it compiled without error under SD2.2 v2648. The only other thing I have installed is the .NETv2 framework SDK.

But OK, here (http://www.mediafire.com/?hmedhlbtd9p) is a non-tested work in progress. No guarantees, so good luck... :)

[Kurtnoise]

great...thank you guys. :)

[Kurtnoise]

are there already freeware muxers and demuxers available?
smartLabs tsMuxer...

[manusse]

@TomyWong,

Regarding your message of december 2007 here (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1076316&postcount=281).

I have checked the Alcatraz.sup sample with a new tool of mine that should be integrated in a future version of SC and it seems the sup is fine. The problem is more in the softwares. Neither SubtitleCreator, neither SupViewer, nor DVDSubEdit can show it correctly. I will try to fix it for the next version of SubtitleCreator though.

Cheers
Manusse

[Glorioso]

Is it possible to create a SUP file TSMuxer compatible and in 720p 0r 1080p?

[manusse]

Sorry, SC can only create Standart Definition SUP files. At least for now :-)

[Glorioso]

Sorry, SC can only create Standart Definition SUP files. At least for now :-)

I see, but i think it will be a easy and usefull change, put that in the top of the priorities pile, ok?

[LeXXuz]

I get this error message when opening a .sup file for ocr-detection:

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/6132/errorft3.png

I don't have a clue what this could mean. Can anyone help?

[manusse]

Hi,

SubtitleCreator's OCR function uses the OCR that comes with MS Office 2003 for the OCR function. The message you see is displayed when Windows doesn't find one of the dlls (functions) from MS's OCR. Probably MS Office 2003 is not installed on your PC.

Cheers
Manusse

[LeXXuz]

Hi,

Probably MS Office 2003 is not installed on your PC.



Thats absolutely right! :thanks:

[tomywong]

@TomyWong,

Regarding your message of december 2007 here (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1076316&postcount=281).

I have checked the Alcatraz.sup sample with a new tool of mine that should be integrated in a future version of SC and it seems the sup is fine. The problem is more in the softwares. Neither SubtitleCreator, neither SupViewer, nor DVDSubEdit can show it correctly. I will try to fix it for the next version of SubtitleCreator though.

Cheers
Manusse

Oh, Thank you very much. You still care my problem. It will be nice if SC can support this. :thanks:

[manusse]

@tomywong
Done, next version will support it.

cheers
Manusse

[LeXXuz]

Hi,

Probably MS Office 2003 is not installed on your PC.

Cheers
Manusse

I have installed Office 2003. Now SubtitelCreator crashes upon startup. Tried to reinstall but no use. Any ideas?

[manusse]

Look here: http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=881019&postcount=57

[LeXXuz]

Look here: http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=881019&postcount=57

Thanks again manusse. :)

Now I can do some testing for my Tvix subtitle support. According to Dvico it should handle sub/idx format. Lets see if I manage to get my .sup files converted.

[manusse]

it should handle sub/idx format. Lets see if I manage to get my .sup files converted.

You don't need the OCR to convert your sup files to sub/idx. Just open your sup file (Tools->Manipulate...) and save it as sub/idx (vobsub).

That's it.
Cheers
Manusse

[LeXXuz]

You don't need the OCR to convert your sup files to sub/idx. Just open your sup file (Tools->Manipulate...) and save it as sub/idx (vobsub).

That's it.
Cheers
Manusse

Works great! :eek:

Considering what time it always took to create .srt files for my former standalone player, it's a blessing that this player handles vobsub files. :D

Okay fine. Last thing I have to to is read me into handling forced subs the best way there is. I've noticed within the .idx file a forced sub option. That's what I was always missing when using .srt files on my old standalone.

[bibo01]

Hi,
This is my 1st post.
I'm having a little problem with SC displaying a DVD video properly.

In Format I select PAL; in Settings, DVD decoder/Selected by System (otherwise I get a black screen). I can display the video, but the image is cropped heavily at the bottom, like a 1/4 of the screen. Sometimes I cannot see the writing in the DVD menu, therefore I cannot even select anything and I am stuck. Even if I enlarge the screen, the bottom part is cropped. If I play the movie, I can see overlayed subs on DVD - just the image is cropped.

I'm not sure, but it is probably something to do with the video decoder and SC. I don't know what decoder my system uses. I have a little utility - GSpot - that can help in that, but I don't know how to "force" using a specific decoder.

BTW, when I see a DVD with WMP or JRiver Media Center I have no problem of "screen cutting".
Any help would be apprreciated. Thanks.

[tomywong]

Hi Manusse,

Where is "Tools->Manipulate" at current version now ?
Removed ? I hope not. It is useful.

[manusse]

Hi tomywong,

Did you compile a beta? The Tools->Manipulate has been removed because it has now been integrated with the srt file opening. You can now just open a SUP or VobSub file like a srt file (File->Open).

By the way there are a bunch of bug fixes (mostly by me) and of cool new features (mostly by Paddington who is back), that will come with next version of SC. But the current code has some bugs so you'll have to wait before an official release.

Currently I'm on the VobSub NTSC bug and hope to fix it soon.

I want also to fix the last line bug but I need the help of some users that can help me reproduce it. Currently i'm not able to reproduce it with SC 2.2 so if one of the users interested and able to easily reproduce the bug reads this, please contact me (Anime? Ercofra? others?).

I'm sure you'll like the new version.

Cheers
Manusse

[tomywong]

Wow, you reply so quick. Thank you.
Yes, I like SC very much. It is perfect, except generate "outline" on text not so good. Maybe it is because of I use Chinese Winxp.

[bibo01]

Hi Manusse,

do you think you can give me any suggestion for my problem with DVD playback cropping?
Thanks

[Paddington]

Wow, you reply so quick. Thank you.
Yes, I like SC very much. It is perfect, except generate "outline" on text not so good. Maybe it is because of I use Chinese Winxp.

Which rendering method do you use (Settings menu)? In the source code version, you can choose between 3 (quick and dirty, Heathcliff's anti-aliasing version, and a new one with drop shadows).

[Paddington]

Hi,
This is my 1st post.
I'm having a little problem with SC displaying a DVD video properly.

In Format I select PAL; in Settings, DVD decoder/Selected by System (otherwise I get a black screen). I can display the video, but the image is cropped heavily at the bottom, like a 1/4 of the ...
It might be helpful if you would install the preferred DVD decoder (PowerDVD), e.g. regsvr32 CLVSD.ax and try it again (I assume that you moved the horizontal slider down). The decoder itself is often part of several codec suites that you can download too (k-lite, if I recall, is one of them). Or you can try to Google for it too.

[manusse]

@bibo01,

What version of SC are you using?

I don't know what decoder my system uses
To know what decoder you are using, just play a DVD with SC and right click on the video, select About and see what's written after DVD decoder. If your decoder is not the preferred one, try to install it (PowerDVD 4 or PowerDVD 6, see Paddington's message).

Cheers
Manusse

[bibo01]

Paddington and manusse,

Thanks for your replies.
Unfortunately, I haven't yet solved my problem.
I am using SC v2.2.
Following your instructions, I noticed that I was using Elecard DVD Decoder, so I swapped to Cyberlink's PowerDVD. I installed CLVSD.AX v8.1 from KLite Pack (just the portion I needed). However, in SC I get audio but no video (black screen). In the DVD menu, I could still click on a portion of the screen to have the DVD starting, although with no image. By right clicking on the screen I can see that I am now employing Cyberlink Video/SP DVD decoder.
I have tried using CLVSD.AX v6.2, after unregistering the other vervion, but the result was the same.
I can still playback fine a DVD in other applications though.

It seems to me that in SC the DirectX chain for DVD playback is somehow broken...I could be wrong. Maybe it is something very simple to have the DVD image back. Any help?
Thanks

[manusse]

Hi,

As I've mentioned in my previous post, SC has been tested and confirmed to work only with Powerdvd 4 or 6.

This may be your problem
Cheers
Manusse

[bibo01]

Hi manusse,

I tried with CLVSD.AX v6.0 and it worked!
Thanks
Bibo

[LeXXuz]

How can I handle .sup files which use more than 4 colors to convert them to .idx/.sub?

Also I noticed when opening the ifo files to get the color palette, most of the times the color setting is wrong and has to be adjusted manually.

[manusse]

How can I handle .sup files which use more than 4 colors to convert them to .idx/.sub?

Please, first search the forum for your question. Answer is here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1125991#post1125991).


Cheers
Manusse

[LeXXuz]

Please, first search the forum for your question. Answer is here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1125991#post1125991).


I dont see an answer to my problem in that thread.
I know what needs to be done to convert formats within Subtitle Creator. (You told me some posts before in this very thread. ;))
However the problem was, that the colors of subtitle files with changing color palettes were wrong. Even when loading the Ifo to get the color information from the corresponding PGC.

Nevertheless it seems that it was a faulty authored DVD. So my problem is 'solved', but thanks for your effort.

[manusse]

OK,

Just a precision, more than 4 color subpics are supported in DVDs but I don't think they are supported by players using the VobSub format. But HD-Sup files support up to 256 colors per subpic. Hence my answer.

Cheers
Manusse

[phammy]

Hi Manusse,
I am trying SC again on my new computer after giving up last year. When using the Wizard for the first time, it asks for the location of muxman, PgcDemux and VobBlanker. muxman and PgcDemux was located but VobBlanker was not and there was a message saying you can locate it again later. After clicking START and 65% later, an error message appears saying could not find VobBlanker. I have VobBlanker downloaded and it's on my Desktop. Suggestions??
many thanks----

[Paddington]

Hi Manusse,
I am trying SC again on my new computer after giving up last year. When using the Wizard for the first time, it asks for the location of muxman, PgcDemux and VobBlanker. muxman and PgcDemux was located but VobBlanker was not and there was a message saying you can locate it again later. After clicking START and 65% later, an error message appears saying could not find VobBlanker. I have VobBlanker downloaded and it's on my Desktop. Suggestions??
many thanks----

If I remember correctly, it should ask you again the next time you start the wizard.

Alternatively, locate the Settings.xml file (either in the C:\Documents and Settings\Application Data\SubtitleCreator folder or in the C:\Program Files\SubtitleCreator\Data) and edit the location manually.

[cheekymonkey]

Hello everybody,

I hope I am posting at the right place. If not, really sorry!

I am new to SC and some things are confusing. Please help.

I've installed SC 2.2 (Win XP Pro SP2; directX isntalled) and K-lite codec pack (Standard 3.90) on my PC but I cannot load DVDs into the programm. I get error message: SC prefered DVD decoder must be installed.

I enabled MPEG2 in ffdshow video decoder settings (libavcodec). I also checked
"DVD Decoding" (just below the window with the codecs names). But it still requires "SC prefered DVD decoder".

What am I doing wrong? May be something is not installed on my PC?

Also, could you please advise what SC tool (and procedure) would be the best to use if I need two things:

1). to add up subtitles to a DVD (AFTER the DVD has been created; NO subtitles on the DVD)
2). to synchronize the subs with the DVD audio.

I read guides on the Videohelp forums but the instructions are for different tasks.

Thank you!

[manusse]

"SC prefered DVD decoder" means the decoder that comes with PowerDVD 4 or PowerDVD 6 as specified in the documentation (p9).

For 1) one working guide at videohelp: http://forum.videohelp.com/topic338721.html

For 2) use VisualSubSync to create your srt file.

Cheers
Manusse

[cheekymonkey]

manusse,

Thank you for your prompt reply.

It looks like I overlooked the documentation - I just read the online manual. Sorry!

As for the guide, I read it but I could not find anything about synchronizing subtitles with audio in it.

I reread the guide again right now but still do not see any buttons in the Wizzard that would help synchronize the subtitles and the audio. Sorry if I am missing something.

Thank you!

[manusse]

As for the guide, I read it but I could not find anything about synchronizing subtitles with audio in it.
I wrote use the guide for your 1)

for 2), use VisualSubSync if you are making the subtitles yourself. Or did you download a srt file?

Cheers
Manusse

[SG10]

Bonjour (Hello)

Sorry, but my english is very very bad... sorry!

( do You think so? I'm sure every1 is understanding what You write)

In french...
(in english)

Manusse, tu m'avais indiqué sur un autre forum (Ri4m) que l'on pouvait convertir le SSA en ISX/SUB avec Subtitle Creator...
(Manusse, You wrote, in another forum that it's possible to convert SSA files to ISX/SUB with SC...)

Testé et approuvé !
(Tested and approved!)

Mais Subtitle Creator n'accepte pas les fichiers SSA « Evolués »... SSA (Version 4+)/ASS...
(But SC doesn't accept SSA << evolved>>...SSA(4+/ASS...)

Connais-tu un moyen de convertir un ASS en IDX/SUB en conservant le style « Evolués »... ?

(Do You know of any method for converting ASS to IDX/SUB and keep the <<evolved>> style...?)

Ou, est-il possible d'apporter des modifications à Subtitle Creator pour qu'il accepte le ASS ?
(Where it is possible to make modifications in SC to make the program accept ASS?)

Merci d'avance
(Thx in advance)
@+
SG1

Translated by ukendt

[manusse]

Salut,
(Hi)
En fait SubtitleCreator n'accepte pas les fichiers au format SSA mais on y réfléchit pour le futur. Des convertisseurs SSA => srt (évolué) sont disponibles chez sweetkaraoke (http://pagesperso-orange.fr/sweetkaraoke/).

(Right, SC doesn't accept SSA files but we are planning to work on it.
Converters SSA=>srt will be found at
sweetkaraoke (http://pagesperso-orange.fr/sweetkaraoke/).)

A+
Manusse

[SG10]

Bonjour (hello),

Merci beaucoup à « ukendt » pour la traduction de mon message ci-dessus... (Thank « ukendt »).
(Thx to ukendt for the translation)

Salut,
mais on y réfléchit pour le futur...
(we are working on it)
Cela serait vraiment très bien...
(I can hardly wait...)
Et tu ne connais aucun système pour convertir le ASS en IDX/SUB en gardant le style ?
(and You don't know how to convert ASS to IDX/SUB keeping the style?)
Merci
(Thx)
@+

[cheekymonkey]

Hello manusse,

I regret for not coming back that long. The e-mail notifier did not work for some reason and I believed there were no more replies.

I use downloaded .srt files. I create DVDs. They are without any subtitles and I need to put the downloaded srt subtitles onto the DVD.

Every time the synchonization of the subtitles with the audio is a problem.

Thank you!

[LeMoi]

When changing colour of idx/sub from a NTSC DVD, timing changes :s (begins and finished earlier, for example 1:23:45.828 becomes 1:23:40.807 and 00:00:34.681 becomes 00:00:34.646 ; but doesn't happen everytime...)

[manusse]

Hi,

Is it a NTSC DVD?

Manusse

[LeMoi]

Source is NTSC DVD, yes

[manusse]

It's a known bug. Please have a look here (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1007483&postcount=170) for a fix.

Cheers
Manusse

[OPTIMIST26]

Hi,

I have added a subtitle wit SCR. But the final dvd was out of sync... Firts I thought about it was a problem because of SCR. Then I have used the DVDLABPRO to multiplex the audio and video files with demuxed files (in SCR_TEMP dir.)

But the result is the same... Again out of sync. Source DVD is of-course NTSC...

Is there anything to do about the syncronisation problems... Like demuxing the video with another programs like Vobedit, DVD-reauthor etc. other than PgcDemux...

[GrofLuigi]

BTW, there is new beta (or RC1?) version at SourceForge. Quite a few fixes in the changelog. :)

GL

[manusse]

Hi,

11 months after the previous one, we hope you'll like the new version although it's still a beta. In this version, you'll see that there is no more the Manipulate SUP menu. That's because you can now open all supported formats (including SUP (SD and HD-DVD), VobSub, srt, sub, ccraw) from the File Open menu in the main window.

There are especially 2 interesting new features:
You can save a SUP file to SRT. This means that SC will create a special SUP and save all the pictures to PNG files. You can also open those types of SRT files. This method also allows you to import images.
You can edit a SUP file and type new text instead of the original one. Then when you save it, the resulting file will be composed of the original SUP file for some parts of it and the typed text for others.

The NTSC bug may still be present as we didn't test it fully but we tried to fix it a bit. Some bugs have been fixed like the top left pixel when using a solid background is not transparent anymore...

You can have a look at Paddington's message here: http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=845668.

Cheers
Manusse

[hubblec4]

hi manusse

good work.

but i can't open bluray.sup files!

can you fix this feature??

hubble

[manusse]

Hi.

SubtitleCreator can only open HD-DVD sup files.

Cheers
Manusse

[OPTIMIST26]

Hi,

I have added a subtitle wit SCR. But the final dvd was out of sync... Firts I thought about it was a problem because of SCR. Then I have used the DVDLABPRO to multiplex the audio and video files with demuxed files (in SCR_TEMP dir.)

But the result is the same... Again out of sync. Source DVD is of-course NTSC...

Is there anything to do about the syncronisation problems... Like demuxing the video with another programs like Vobedit, DVD-reauthor etc. other than PgcDemux...

Is there alternative way to fix the sync problems?

[siopilos]

Hi

I have a problem when i try to translate a english subtitle(srt) in greek via google translate in SubtitleCreator the result is not in greek but something else (possibly in swedish)!!!
Can you fix this problem please???

thanks a lot

[saint-francis]

Hi.

SubtitleCreator can only open HD-DVD sup files.

Cheers
Manusse

Is there any word on development of SC to process BD .sup?

[manusse]

I should take this in charge. But I'm presently on vacation and I'll do it on my spare time. SO it may take some time but it's on the to do list.

Cheers
Manusse

[Kurtnoise]

Hi,

It seems that the SUP to SRT converter is buggy in the last RC. Trying with HDSUP and SDSUP files, here is what I get :

************** Exception Text **************
System.ArgumentException: Parameter is not valid.
at System.Drawing.Image._GetColorPalette()
at System.Drawing.Image.get_Palette()
at SubtitleCreator.RenderSUP.Render(RenderStyle renderStyle, Rectangle& subtitleArea, Rectangle& bitmapPosition, Subtitle curSub)
at SubtitleCreator.Subtitle.Render(RenderStyle renderStyle, Rectangle& subtitleArea, Rectangle& bitmapPosition)
at SubtitleCreator.TranslateSupToSrtForm.RenderSubtitle()
at SubtitleCreator.TranslateSupToSrtForm.SubtitleTextBoxTextChanged(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnTextChanged(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.TextBoxBase.OnTextChanged(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.set_Text(String value)
at System.Windows.Forms.TextBoxBase.set_Text(String value)
at System.Windows.Forms.TextBox.set_Text(String value)
at SubtitleCreator.TranslateSupToSrtForm.SelectSubtitle(Int32 i)
at SubtitleCreator.TranslateSupToSrtForm.ListBoxSUPSelectedIndexChanged(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ListBox.OnSelectedIndexChanged(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ListBox.set_SelectedIndex(Int32 value)
at SubtitleCreator.TranslateSupToSrtForm..ctor()
at SubtitleCreator.PreviewForm.TranslateSUP(Object sender, RunWorkerCompletedEventArgs e)
at System.ComponentModel.BackgroundWorker.OnRunWorkerCompleted(RunWorkerCompletedEventArgs e)
at System.ComponentModel.BackgroundWorker.AsyncOperationCompleted(Object arg)


************** Loaded Assemblies **************
mscorlib
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1433 (REDBITS.050727-1400)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v2.0.50727/mscorlib.dll
----------------------------------------
SubtitleCreator
Assembly Version: 2.3.0.1
Win32 Version: 2.3.0.1
CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/SubtitleCreator/SubtitleCreator.exe
----------------------------------------
System.Windows.Forms
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1433 (REDBITS.050727-1400)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Windows.Forms/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Windows.Forms.dll
----------------------------------------
System
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1433 (REDBITS.050727-1400)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll
----------------------------------------
System.Drawing
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1433 (REDBITS.050727-1400)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Drawing/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Drawing.dll
----------------------------------------
DirectShowLib-2005
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.0.0
CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/SubtitleCreator/DirectShowLib-2005.DLL
----------------------------------------
System.Xml
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1433 (REDBITS.050727-1400)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Xml/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Xml.dll
----------------------------------------
ListViewEx
Assembly Version: 1.0.3115.24665
Win32 Version: 1.0.3115.24665
CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/SubtitleCreator/ListViewEx.DLL
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SubtitleCreator.resources
Assembly Version: 2.3.0.1
Win32 Version: 2.3.0.1
CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/SubtitleCreator/fr/SubtitleCreator.resources.DLL
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[manusse]

Hi,

Was this using the file save as menu?
Could please send me the SUP and IFO used as source?
(PM me a link)

Cheers
Manusse

[Kurtnoise]

It's from the tools Menu...but forget what I said. I retried with some other files today and that works fine now after a clean install.

Dunno what that failed yesterday. Sorry for the noise...

[Mark L]

I know what the problem is - I upgraded from power dvd 6 to power dvd 8.

I know what the solution is - go back to 6.

This is just feedback that power dvd 8 did not work. - gives the error message.

Cheers.

[Aslan Demirörs]

This is probobly a simple matter for you, but I can't make it work

Have installed the 2.2 .exe version.
Try to open a dvd file (eg. IFO), but keep getting the message "you MUST install SC Subtitle filter first).
The webadress just takes me to the point where I first downloaded the .exe setup file from the start.

Where are this filter, and why doesn't it come with the setup file?

[fofwp]

I need some help converting a .sup file from a BD to .idx/.sub

I extracted the .sup from the BD using TsmuxeR, and then used SUPread to convert it to HD DVD sup format. Now when I try to open it in SubtitleCreator, using Tool -> Manipulate, it does not load the complete .sup file. It stops at random places in the .sup file every time I load it.

I have been using SubtitleCreator successfully to convert the .sup from DVDs and HD DVDs and have never had this problem before, or maybe I never noticed previously.

BTW, the BD is Hellboy and the size of the .sup if 30MB. I can upload it if someone can tell where.

Edit: Solved using the latest 2.3 beta

[fms]

Hi
M having problem with SubtitleCreator 2.2.... have downloaded *.srt file from www.allsubs.org. Wanted to convert to (sub/idx) format using SubtitleCreator 2.2....so that i could burn it on DVD (*.avi + *.sub/idx) and play it on my standalone dvd player DAPIC 9988 (don't want to burn it in *.srt format)
Everytime i convert from srt to (sub/idx) it does the conversion but when i try to play the dvd some problm happens....a couple of times it played the (sub/idx) file....but at times it doesnt recognise the subtitle......and now recently the dvd is gettg stuck at the point where the subtitle begins....
I know that the dvd is getting stuck due to the subtitle bcos i burnt the same movie 2 times on the same dvd (only changed the name of the movie) one movie has the (sub/idx) subtitle and the other has no subtitle...the no subtitle movie doesnt get stuck while the one with the sub/idx is getting stuck....
Don't know what i m doing wrong while converting srt to sub/idx

What i do is open srt in the Subtitlecreator in the "File/Open text subtitle" and than goto Fileo/Save Vobsub as" and save it directly in sub/idx format....am i doing it wrong, do i have to change some settings (have kept default settings of the program

Needed help as to what i am doing wrong...:)

[manusse]

Maybe there's a bug in SubtitleCreator? What you could try is to open and resave the (sub/idx) files generated by SubtitleCreator using VobSub configure.

This may fix your problem?

Cheers
Manusse

[fms]

Thnxs will try and check out:)

[manusse]

Hi,

I meant using subresync, not VobSub configure.

Cheers
Manusse

[FitzGerald]

Hello manusse,
Your friendly "NTSC timing bug" tester. I downloaded the latest 2.3 B1 version and tested another .srt converted to VobSub. Watching on my standalone the subs eventually drifted ~ 2 seconds apart. I did not attempt the workaround but I expect it will work as before. So yes, the "NTSC timing bug" still happens... unless I'm the only one impacted by this.

I wonder if you are having the same problem with PAL and not realizing it for the fact that not many people use hardware standalone players? It doesn't make sense how the timing would be different between the .idx and .sub... is there perhaps some buggy code you are using as basis of your program and don't realize it? I find this somewhat interesting. As always thanks for the great product! I realized I have to change some subtitle settings as on 16:9 my subtitles were going below the screen...

[manusse]

Hi FitzGerald,

The problem is specifically a NTSC problem related to the drop non-drop timings issue. Actually both Paddington and myself are living in PAL countries, so this may also be a reason why we didn't fix it. A bit hard to test as we don't use NTSC DVD. (Even though I have 2 of them at home). This issue is not possible in PAL.

Actually, with Paddington, we need to elaborate a spec. and then we should be able to fix it. This is because, for example, SUP file generation is working fine even though the core engine is the same as sub/idx generation. So by trying to fix the bug in an inappropriate manner we could break other things. What we lack is debugging time!

When we are ready to debug it, we would really appreciate if you would help us test it in your configuration.

Thanks in advance
Manusse

[manusse]

@FitzGerald,

I suspect you didn't look at your private messages.

Cheers
Manusse

[Migs]

Manusse

Thank you very much for Subtitle Creator. It helps me alot when changing the timing of DVD .sup files. Don't know what I would have done without it!

I have moved to Vista (yes, yes, it is the evil according to many people, but I want to test it out properly for myself) and the number keys (NOT by the numerical pad) 3-9 do not work in the modify .sup section. Specifically changing the time delay.

Moved to Version 2.3 and it now works, but I have another problem.
Right clicking on the subtitles (that has already been loaded) and choosing 'select all subtitles', it simply does not do it.

Mabey I'm doing something wrong? I have no idea.

Any insight on this would be of great help.

[Migs]

Shift/control clicking to select multiple subtitles also does not work.

I do like that all the subtitles are displayed though.

[manusse]

I've replied to your PM. I confirm this is a bug. We'll try to fix it ASAP.

Cheers
Manusse

[Migs]

Thank you for the speedy reply. :)

Eagerly await the next revision where this problem is fixed.

[qknet]

Version 2.2 is supposed to support codepage 1258, but it didn't.
Please check.
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9782/20081011174615ya8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
By NQK (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/NQK)

[manusse]

Hi,

Please try with the new beta first. If it's still not working could you please PM me your srt file and I'll have a look.

Cheers
Manusse

[qknet]

already pm the file to you

[manusse]

Hi,

I don't read Vietnamese so could you explain how it must look like?
For example post a screen copy of the two fist lines of the subtitle you've sent me as they look in Word or another program that can display them correctly.

Cheers
manusse

[qknet]

Please download the pdf file that I PMed to you for the explanation.

Hope it helps.

Thank you.

[z-vap]

First of all, I love this program, and the fact that it's being actively developed.

Are there going to be any additional controls added that assist the user in moving back and forth in the video? For example, I sometimes find my self wanting to move backwards, or forwards, a few seconds or milliseconds, at a time. I currently find myself constantly CTRL-SPACE, doing a CTRL-J, then ALT-SPACE, step... step... step...

Also is there a way for the time to auto-fill, for where you're at in the film/video?

That would be awesome!

Thanks for the program, and all you do with it, for the community.

EDIT: also if the time in the title bar was out to the thousandths, like the start/stop times are... it would help with timing / controls.
EDIT: the num-lock for entering numbers? :)

[RickDangerous]

Hi guys! :)

First I'd like to thank you and congratulate you on your work! SubtitleCreator is great!

Unfortunately I'm having a problem... :(
I did a small search and found that this has been reported again here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1098211#post1098211), but I didn't find any solution for this
As described by Mitre, the problem occurs while using the DVD Authoring Wizard.
I hit start, demultiplexing finishes ok, so does multiplexing of the new dvd. Then Vobblanker starts (at about 65-66% of the total process) and after just a few seconds I get the following message by VobBlanker:
Error: Unable to stat 0.IFO
and the process stops at that point (around 66% of the total process), no new DVD is created...

I've followed manusse's suggestions here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1098486#post1098486), but no luck
I tried both the stable and the last beta(RC1) version, no luck with either of them...:confused:

I'd really appreciate any help!
thanks :)

[manusse]

Hi,

Try unselecting the "Retain the menu..." box and see if you can get a working DVD. Please report your results here.

Cheers
manusse

[RickDangerous]

Hi manusse, thanks for the reply :)

I unselected the "Retain the menu..." box as you suggested and the result is a working DVD
I double checked it on my standalone DVD player and it works fine there too (no menus of course)

Any ideas as to what to try in order to keep the menus too?
I don't really understand what "Error: Unable to stat 0.IFO" means...

thanks!

[manusse]

Hi,

OK, so this seems to be a vobblanker problem. I've seen this error before but can't remember where.
Maybe you could post a message here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=120140)to get jsoto's help on this subject.

Cheers
Manusse

[RickDangerous]

Ok, I'll try posting there and hopefully I'll get some help from jsoto
maybe I'll post here too if I finally find a solution to this
thanks for your help manusse :)

[RickDangerous]

Hi again! :)
manusse, I posted at the VobBlanker thread as you suggested
unfortunately the error message that I got wasn't helpful
blutach advised me to try to use VobBlanker as standalone, I did that and I got a working DVD, no problems came up
So could it be that this problem is related to the way SubtitleCreator handles VobBlanker?

And one other thing that came up...
I installed a new font in Windows but it isn't available for selection in SubtitleCreator
is there something else that I should do in order to be able to select it in SubtitleCreator?

again, I'd appreciate any help!
thanks!! :)

[RickDangerous]

hi, sorry for the double/triple post :/

it's just that I haven't really found any info on my last question
and no one replied here, maybe it wasn't noticed...?
I installed a new font in Windows but it isn't available for selection in SubtitleCreator
is there something else that I should do in order to be able to select it in SubtitleCreator?
So is there a way to add a new font in SubtitleCreator?
I'd really appreciate some info on this, I've searched around but wasn't able to find any relative info :(

thanks for your time and again sorry for the repost and the trouble :/

[manusse]

Hi,

SubtitleCreator uses C# and MS .Net 2.0. This eases development but has a few disadvantages. One of them is that all type of fonts are not supported. This must be the case of the font you are using.

Otherwise supported fonts are automatically usable when installed in Windows.

Cheers
Manusse

[RickDangerous]

well, bad luck I guess
the font I'm trying to use is AG Foreigner Roman, which looks quite good as I've seen and read
I'll have to use something else then

thanks for the reply :)

[hubblec4]

hi manusse

can you say when the support for bluray.sup is ready??


hubble

[manusse]

Hi,

There was no progress on this subject so far because I lack free time. You can convert your BD SUP files to HD-DVD SUP files then open them using SC.

As SC's source is open, anyone with some free time and programming skills can help.

Cheers
Manusse

[saint-francis]

Hi,

There was no progress on this subject so far because I lack free time. You can convert your BD SUP files to HD-DVD SUP files then open them using SC.

As SC's source is open, anyone with some free time and programming skills can help.

Cheers
Manusse

Would a donation help? All I know about programing could be fit on the back of a postage stamp so I can't help there but I can contribute in other ways. I'm sure other people can too. Subtitles are the last piece of the BD puzzle to be put together.

[hubblec4]

Hi,

There was no progress on this subject so far because I lack free time. You can convert your BD SUP files to HD-DVD SUP files then open them using SC.

Cheers
Manusse

I know, but the only one that can convert BD.sup to HDDVD.sup is SupRead. I have the bluray Die Hard and there i cant convert the BD.sups. I load the bd.sup but i cant see any subtitels and after export to hddvd.sup there is no subpictures in it. (filesize: bd.sup 20.6mb - hddvd.sup 1.2mb)

yes, maybe helps a donation to you!!??

you known an other programm what can convert the bd.sup files??


hubble

[Adub]

Have you tried SupRip? (http://exar.ch/suprip/)

[hubblec4]

Have you tried SupRip? (http://exar.ch/suprip/)

yes. in SupRip i can see the subs.

But i dont want to convert it to srt. because there are many languages and the OCR works not correct (german, english, french not really a problem, but greek arabic no way to convert in srt)

i need idx/sub.

is there an other prog that can BD.sup convert to HDDVD.sup??


hubble

[saint-francis]

Have you tried SupRip? (http://exar.ch/suprip/)

Converting to .srt leaves a lot to be desired. You loose things like position and color. Also it's a PITA and much less reliable than simply converting to vobsub format.

[hubblec4]

Converting to .srt leaves a lot to be desired. You loose things like position and color. Also it's a PITA and much less reliable than simply converting to vobsub format.

sorry but this is not the way i want to go.

i dont like OCR.

hubble

[manusse]

Would a donation help
The problem at present is that I lack free time because I've got many things to do at home. I also had decided to concentrate my free programming time to bug fixes (there are a few annoying bugs in SC).

However if donations are made and you specify when you are donating that it's for motivating me for adding BD-sup support to SC this would of course change my priorities. But I'm a bit uncomfortable with this because I can't promise you when it'll be done. However if you donate I will put it on top of my priorities.

I would say I will try to add BD-sup support within 6 months in this case. (no guarantee, because you know life is sometimes very busy)

Cheers
Manusse

[saint-francis]

However if donations are made and you specify when you are donating that it's for motivating me for adding BD-sup support to SC this would of course change my priorities. But I'm a bit uncomfortable with this because I can't promise you when it'll be done. However if you donate I will put it on top of my priorities.


Done.
It's not much as I don't have much, but it's something. Maybe it will also motivate others to donate.

[menlvd]

Done.
It's not much as I don't have much, but it's something. Maybe it will also motivate others to donate.

:goodpost:

[saint-francis]

Having trouble with a .sup created by subread from a BD .sup. Is this a problem with SC or supread?


Sample
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=4c3d7b2107a4134191b20cc0d07ba4d228ce84bb700e0bde

[jj666]

The stream seems extremely strange fed into suprip and confused the hell out of it also - does it look the same on the original disk? I've done a LOT with Suprip and never seen similar.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v607/jj666/Clipboard01.png

Cheers,

-jj-

[saint-francis]

does it look the same on the original disk?

Certainly not.

I've done a LOT with Suprip and never seen similar.

Right, so the issue is probably with supread.

Here's the original from the BD BTW:

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=582672f5ccf0ee0c91b20cc0d07ba4d28d2a2522d23ae45a

[jj666]

That one works a lot better, but still something wrong, Suprip now is chopping off the first few letters...

-jj-

[rica]

saint, how did you extract the sup?
Suppose the method you use in extracting is wrong.

[saint-francis]

saint, how did you extract the sup?
Suppose the method you use in extracting is wrong.

With eac3to. The tool I use for all my HD DVD and BD needs. For the record I have had this problem before with another disk but didn't mention it because I ended up not liking the movie too much and decided not to back it up yet.

[rica]

Weird!
I've never met any issue something like this (i use eac3to as well); missing letter recognizing with both supread and suprip...
Have you given it a go with TSMuxer for extracting the same sup?

[manusse]

Hi,

I'm having a look at BD-sup support following some request in this same thread. I need some short BD-SUP samples (a few subpics - less than 10 ideally). If some of you could send me such samples (PM me a rapidshare link for example), I would appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
Manusse

[saint-francis]

Hi,

I'm having a look at BD-sup support following some request in this same thread. I need some short BD-SUP samples (a few subpics - less than 10 ideally). If some of you could send me such samples (PM me a rapidshare link for example), I would appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
Manusse

How to make such a sample? I have a bunch of .sup's to choose from but I don't know how to trim them.

[manusse]

Maybe using the method pointed here: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1219733#post1219733

Using a small srt file. That would probably work?

If not possible, just send me the smaller you have.

Cheers
Manusse

[manusse]

Hi,

I tried the method I've suggested and it worked fine. It took me 1 minute to generate such a SUP file. I first muxed a Blu-Ray disc with only one srt file in it then demuxed it and got the sup file I needed.

So I don't need samples anymore as I can now generate what I need very easily.

TSMuxer is really great!

Cheers
Manusse

[saint-francis]

Hi,

I tried the method I've suggested and it worked fine. It took me 1 minute to generate such a SUP file. I first muxed a Blu-Ray disc with only one srt file in it then demuxed it and got the sup file I needed.

So I don't need samples anymore as I can now generate what I need very easily.

TSMuxer is really great!

Cheers
Manusse

There does seem to be differences between different BD .sup's. Like the one I posted on the last page is certainly different than the average BD .sup as it doesn't work with supread while most do. So you might want to check that one out too.

[Adub]

I second the bluray support. I will donate right away when I get some money.

Also, I have a feature request for OCR support with Office 2007. I don't have office 2003, as I prefer 2007. I have tried OCRing with 2007 installed, and IIRC it crashes midway through the stream.

[manusse]

Hi,

Thanks to your donations I started coding again in order to add blu-ray sup support. I think I've done 60% of the code as I could find some free time last week. I will try to finish it earlier than written in my previous message. I hope to finish it either in late december 2008 or in january 2009.

Cheers
Manusse

[hubblec4]

Hi,

Thanks to your donations I started coding again in order to add blu-ray sup support. I think I've done 60% of the code as I could find some free time last week. I will try to finish it earlier than written in my previous message. I hope to finish it either in late december 2008 or in january 2009.

Cheers
Manusse

thats sounds really good. how can i make a donation to you??
i have paypal, is that ok?

hubble

[saint-francis]

thats sounds really good. how can i make a donation to you??

Go here (http://subtitlecreator.sourceforge.net/SubtitleCreatorHomepage.html). Click on the "support this project" icon on the right hand side. It will take you to sourceforge where you can donate.

[hubblec4]

Go here (http://subtitlecreator.sourceforge.net/SubtitleCreatorHomepage.html). Click on the "support this project" icon on the right hand side. It will take you to sourceforge where you can donate.

thank you.

Donation is done. I hope it will help you.

Good work Manusse

[18fps]

Hi! Thank You for a very nice program! I wanted to ask: have you thought about adding unicode support to it?
Thanks!

[Adub]

@manusse

Do you have a response for my request for office 2007 ocr support? Should I add this to the sourceforge feature request tracker?

[manusse]

Hi Merlin7777,

Sorry for not replying before to your question. It's a good idea to add it to the SourceForge tracker. Paddigton added the Office 2003 OCR support, so I think he could be the one adding Office 2007 OCR support in case he owns a version of Office 2007 and has some time to do it.

I have Office 2007 on my PC but at present I'm busy with Blu-Ray sup import following a lot of request and also with the integration of the German translation for the next version. So I can't promise we'll implement it soon although I'm personaly interested because I have a legal copy of Office 2007 and I noticed 2 week ago that SC can't use its OCR.

Cheers
Manusse

[abahram]

Hi

thank for your great app. I mainly try to use it for converting srt file to sub/idx and use theme with divx movie file but the problem is on my pc they play nice an clear but in my LG stand alone player there is green color all over the outline of font .. how i can solve this problem ?

[Adub]

Hah! Now it is my turn to apologize for not responding sooner. I am adding the request to the SC tracker as I type this.

[GangstaRap]

Hey Paddington.
Just tried the DVD Auothoring Wizard and it is absolutely brilliant!
It has one problem though,
It won't consider audio delay, and it creates an out of sync DVD in cases where the input DVD has audio delay.

Thanks for this great app!

[fervict]

¡Great app and wonderful DVD Authoring Wizard! but what about "movies" with more than one title?

I use it mainly to add new subtitles to opera DVDs. These come sometimes distributed at one title per act and the wizard seems to have being conceived for DVDs with only one title throughout, or am I mistaken? Please help !.

Thank you very much. Greetings.

[pancserzso]

Finally, I found a working solution for overlaying DVD subtitles. Source http://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=5116092

1. Download K-Lite Codec Pack 2.74 (Full)
http://www.filehippo.com/download_klite_codec_pack/tech/1350

2. When installing, select:
Deselect all
DirectShow video: DVD decoder: Cyberlink Powerdvd
DirectShow audio: AC3 decoder: AC3Filter

3. In Subtitle Creator
Select Overlay Subtitles (experimential)
Select Preferred by SC

[hubblec4]

hello manusse

the new tool BDSup2Sub generate sub/idx-files with a solution of 1080p. the subs are correctly shown by MPC(vsfilter.dll) but i cant open it in SC.
please, can you implement the 1080p support for sub/idx ?

hubble

[manusse]

Hi hubblec4,

I'm very sorry for being quite. However I couldn't find much time for programming but I sure will. My priority as you know is the BD-SUP files import first. As I've written before I've written 60% of the code in last december. Since december I could only spend a few hours and it's not enough. The problem I have is that I currently get an exception with my code but I can decode the BD-SUP bitmaps.

I need to find one or two days and I think I will finish it. However those days I'm busy with many other things and I know it's a pity for all SC's users.

About your request:
Would an import that converts them on the fly to SD be OK or do you need something else?

Cheers
Manusse... still alive

[0xdeadbeef]

While you're at it: most large SUB/IDX files created by BDSup2Sub are only partly imported by SC. I haven't investigates further, but at first look SC seems to skip a dozen subpictures here and there. Since there are no error messages or whatever it's hard for me to tell if this is due to a problem on my side or on yours.

[manusse]

If you could post a few such samples, I would be interested.

Cheers
Manusse

[0xdeadbeef]

Well, this happens with about every large (few hundred lines) SUB/IDX exported by BDSup2Sub, but no sweat, here's one random example:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/o00g6d

As the title says, the SUP contains 893 captions. BSSup2Sub displays and exports exactly 893 captions to SUB/IDX. However SC shows 307 as highest index.

[manusse]

I had a quick look and it seems to be a bug in SC. I'll try to investigate and fix it asap.

Thanks for reporting it.
Cheers
Manusse

[hubblec4]

Hi hubblec4,

I'm very sorry for being quite. However I couldn't find much time for programming but I sure will. My priority as you know is the BD-SUP files import first. As I've written before I've written 60% of the code in last december. Since december I could only spend a few hours and it's not enough. The problem I have is that I currently get an exception with my code but I can decode the BD-SUP bitmaps.

I need to find one or two days and I think I will finish it. However those days I'm busy with many other things and I know it's a pity for all SC's users.

About your request:
Would an import that converts them on the fly to SD be OK or do you need something else?

Cheers
Manusse... still alive

thanks for your answer. i know about your work of BDsup-support in SC, but the tool by 0xdeadbeef (BDSup2Sub) works almost perfect.

A great advantage of this tool is the 1080p-output for sub/idx.

and so i need SC to edit the sub/idx files only. it will helpful to open the 1080p.sub/idx in your tool.

i had tested this file (http://rapidshare.com/files/211206591/sub.rar.html) in SC Version 2.2.2 and 2.3rc1.
please have a look.

hubble

[hubblec4]

my sample is a small one and some larger files dont work in both versions of SC

hubble

[kabster]

Hi,



First of all, sc is an great acomplishment :thanks:


I have read through all 26 pages and some page from another thread about the progress of sc.

I like to know if theres an fix/workarround to get ridd of those nasty dirty dots/pixels in and arround the letters of my srt2sup file ?

The problem has been mentioned before by anime!

I tried to stretch the subs on different settings like , font type, size font, bold etc.... but like anime mentioned before. When i get rid of one pixel sticking out, another pops up somewhere else .

It looks awfull through windvd 9 or even powerdvd 8 !!

Also, but less troublesome. The timings after txt2sup conversion are exactly 2+ seconds off everytime !! The .srt file is perfectly synched though, but most of the time i have to alter timings in sc to get the right timings when playing the muxed dvd!!


I hope we havent see the last of paddington ;)


kabster,

[pancserzso]

I have done over 100 DVDs, where I re-synchronized and re-authored english subbed dvds with national subs, and I can almost say SubtitleCreator is perfect, but I am really-really after one small function, to let the synchronizer not only adjust times point-by-point, but by using a linear fit, or linear regression, to calculate a final delta Time and delta Speed value, and apply just a simple linear re-timing. Whats behind this is that in 99% of the cases, the re-synching is not a different cut, or different edition, but just some PAL-NTSC-telecine, etc. conversion, and different timing before the first scene. I mean its 99%, but for the different cuts its almost impossible to re-synch without hard manual work.

I would like to contribute to this "linear fit" synch option, but I dont know how could I help. I have found some C++ samples for this algorithm, its about 25 lines of code, I think it wouldnt be harder in C# but I dont know C#. I have found some article about Linear Least Squares fitting and it seems a bit hard, but only because its about high level polynoms, here we just need to solve a "y = ax + b" type equation, which is much simpler than the methods they write about.

[Mtz]

In synchronize window use the first and last subtitle line for linking and sync.

enjoy,
Mtz

[pancserzso]

Yes, in the final turn we could calculate a two-point fit, but before we need to calculate the fit. The difference is that this method calculates all the data from the points and then apply a two point fit. Have a look at this image, for example:
https://www.student.gsu.edu/%7Etle27/MGS%204140/Project%202%20Regression_files/image003.png

In the meantime, I have found that it's much easier than I thought, it's actually just one equation:
y = b1*x + b0
b1 = sum((x_i-x_avg)*(y_i-y_avg)) / sum((x_i-x_avg)^2)
b0 = y_avg - b1*x_avg

I will try to look into how to implement it to the synch screen.

[manusse]

Hi pancserzso,

You may have understood that currently I and Paddington don't have too much free time for programming. But if you propose to add this function to SC, then I can help you.
The full SC source code is available from SourceForge, you only need tortoise svn to get it. Then you need the free Visual C# Express 2008 to compile it.
If you' re ready to implement the function then just send me a PM and I'll support you.

Cheers
Manusse

[LeMoi]

I have this vobsub (http://www.mediafire.com/?0xhz91jey9d), which is not empty, but looks to be fully transparent. I can't see its contents with subresync, but subrip allows me to see that it's not empty and can't do OCR. Is there a way to change its colours/transparency with SC ? I didn't manage to do it...

[Stanley_A]

I have a question.
In version 2.2, to change color of a sup file I went to tools, manipulate sup, changed the color and clicked apply to all.

How can I do this in 2.3 Beta 1?

I just load the sup, and can change the color line by line but I can't find some kind of "apply to all" button.

Any help?

Thanks in advance.

[manusse]

Hi,

Choose "Edit all" instead of "Edit this", on the right, just below the Line height controls.

Cheers
Manusse

[Stanley_A]

Wow. Thanks for the quick reply. It worked thanks.

Another thing.

What are these little lines that appear under the subtitle of the modified sups?
They do not appear in the original SUP, only in the modified (by subtitlecreator) SUP.
Any idea?

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/3481/image1r.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image1r.jpg)

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/9127/image2hgb.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image2hgb.jpg)

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/9601/image3c.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image3c.jpg)

Thanks again.

[manusse]

Hi,

What are these little lines that appear under the subtitle of the modified sups?

Sorry but it's a known bug of SC that we still have to fix!

Cheers
Manusse

[pancserzso]

Try other rendering methods (Formatting / Rendering method), drop shadow is always buggy, for me, the best result is using "plain and fast".

Wow. Thanks for the quick reply. It worked thanks.

Another thing.

What are these little lines that appear under the subtitle of the modified sups?
They do not appear in the original SUP, only in the modified (by subtitlecreator) SUP.
Any idea?

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/3481/image1r.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image1r.jpg)

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/9127/image2hgb.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image2hgb.jpg)

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/9601/image3c.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image3c.jpg)

Thanks again.

[pancserzso]

I have been looking into SyncForm.cs, I think I can do it. Just a quick question: Is there any built in function in C# for averaging numbers in an array?
And is it a problem, if I used SharpDevelop? It built well with no warnings.

Hi pancserzso,

You may have understood that currently I and Paddington don't have too much free time for programming. But if you propose to add this function to SC, then I can help you.
The full SC source code is available from SourceForge, you only need tortoise svn to get it. Then you need the free Visual C# Express 2008 to compile it.
If you' re ready to implement the function then just send me a PM and I'll support you.

Cheers
Manusse

[LeMoi]

I have this vobsub (http://www.mediafire.com/?0xhz91jey9d), which is not empty, but looks to be fully transparent. I can't see its contents with subresync, but subrip allows me to see that it's not empty and can't do OCR. Is there a way to change its colours/transparency with SC ? I didn't manage to do it...

No solution ?

[Mtz]

Stanley, open the final DVD in DVDSubEdit. Go to preferences and set to 1 the "Crop background border Y" and "Crop background border X" to 0.
Than press the "Crop subpic background" than Ctrl+A and save. Also I think is good to check "Flush" and move subtitles to 4:3 safe area followed by Ctrl+A and than save. This moving of subpictures is possible to prevent flickering subtitles. Is safe to move in that way the subtitles.
Make a test and report.

pancserzso, also Subtitle Workshop have this multisync feature. Try it. Ctrl+B > Advanced.

enjoy,
Mtz

[manusse]

Hi pancserzso,

And is it a problem, if I used SharpDevelop? It built well with no warnings.

It's not a really a problem if you only change the C# code (not the GUI), because we will be able to add it to our source code and recompile it with VC# 2008 Express.
However for the GUI, it may be incompatible, I don't know. You can try and then we'll see how we can integrate it.
Just send me a PM and I'll send you my email so that you can send me the source code.

Cheers
Manusse

[manusse]

@LeMoi

I had a look at your sub file and I've found the problem. The problem is that all the subtitles in your file have multiple DCSQT corresponding to changes of contrast. This is to have a fading effect. However most of the subtitle tools here can display only one DCSQT per subpic. Only DVDSubEdit can partially display them. (I also have a private tool that can do it but it is still buggy, we have plans to integrate it into SC some day).
You can download a sup version of your file here (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=6f7ea879bc39bd160de4fc1039a01674e04e75f6e8ebb871). Then using DVDSubedit, you can have a look at your subpics. You must check the "Ignore transparency" to have a look at your subpics. But it's not really usable.

Cheers
Manusse

[tomywong]

Stanley_A,

It is because SC Crop your subpic. If SC don't crop it, then it is no problem.

[LeMoi]

@LeMoi

I had a look at your sub file and I've found the problem. The problem is that all the subtitles in your file have multiple DCSQT corresponding to changes of contrast. This is to have a fading effect. However most of the subtitle tools here can display only one DCSQT per subpic. Only DVDSubEdit can partially display them. (I also have a private tool that can do it but it is still buggy, we have plans to integrate it into SC some day).
You can download a sup version of your file here (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=6f7ea879bc39bd160de4fc1039a01674e04e75f6e8ebb871). Then using DVDSubedit, you can have a look at your subpics. You must check the "Ignore transparency" to have a look at your subpics. But it's not really usable.

Cheers
Manusse

Thanks for these informations.
And is there a way to create an idx/sub file with the bmps and the timecodes ?

[0xdeadbeef]

@manusse:
Is there any documentation available regarding multiple DCSQTs in SUBs? I couldn't find anything.

Anyway, I had a look at the command buffer of LeMoi's sample and there is stuff I've never seen before in a SUB:

0F56
01
03 3210 Palette
04 0000 Alpha
06 0004 078D RLE offsets
05 037 298 184 1D6 Window size (x0,x1,y0,y1)
07 0010 0184 11D6 0037 3210 0000 0FFFFFFFFF 0003 0F6C
07 0010 0184 11D6 0037 3210 0100 0FFFFFFFFF 0007 0F82
07 0010 0184 11D6 0037 3210 1100 0FFFFFFFFF 000A 0F98
07 0010 0184 11D6 0037 3210 1210 0FFFFFFFFF 000E 0FAE
07 0010 0184 11D6 0037 3210 2310 0FFFFFFFFF 0015 0FC4
07 0010 0184 11D6 0037 3210 3420 0FFFFFFFFF 001C 0FDA

The lines starting with a 07 are kinda unexpected. It's most probably no coincidence that parts of the window and palette definition are repeated, although the coordinates seem weirdly mixed. The very last column (purple) obviously defines the address offset of the next piece (difference is always 22 bytes, which equals the length of one line). I'd assume that the pink column may define an alpha fade in.
The "0010" could be the number of bytes and the 2nd last column is probably the display duration (delay).
I'm kinda puzzled by the rest of the line (black characters), the data order and the absence of control codes though.
Any clues?

[manusse]

Hi,

You can start here: http://dvd.sourceforge.net/dvdinfo/spu.html

Cheers
Manusse

[0xdeadbeef]

You can start here: http://dvd.sourceforge.net/dvdinfo/spu.html

Great, thanks!

[kto]

hi,
i'm getting the following error every time subtitlecreator 2.3rc1 starts, and neither the background nor the subtitles are visible afterwards.

See the end of this message for details on invoking
just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.

************** Exception Text **************
System.ArgumentException: Parameter is not valid.
at System.Drawing.Bitmap..ctor(Int32 width, Int32 height, PixelFormat format)
at System.Drawing.Bitmap..ctor(Int32 width, Int32 height)
at SubtitleCreator.RenderAntialias.Render(RenderStyle renderStyle, Rectangle& subtitleArea, Rectangle& bitmapPosition, Subtitle curSub)
at SubtitleCreator.Subtitle.Render(RenderStyle renderStyle, Rectangle& subtitleArea, Rectangle& bitmapPosition)
at SubtitleCreator.Subtitle.Render(Rectangle& subtitleArea, Rectangle& bitmapPosition)
at SubtitleCreator.PreviewForm.OnPaint(PaintEventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.PaintWithErrorHandling(PaintEventArgs e, Int16 layer, Boolean disposeEventArgs)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmPaint(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ScrollableControl.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ContainerControl.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WndProc(Message& m)
at SubtitleCreator.PreviewForm.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)


************** Loaded Assemblies **************
mscorlib
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1433 (REDBITS.050727-1400)
CodeBase: file:///c:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v2.0.50727/mscorlib.dll
----------------------------------------
SubtitleCreator
Assembly Version: 2.3.0.1
Win32 Version: 2.3.0.1
CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/SubtitleCreator/SubtitleCreator.exe
----------------------------------------
System.Windows.Forms
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1433 (REDBITS.050727-1400)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Windows.Forms/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Windows.Forms.dll
----------------------------------------
System
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1433 (REDBITS.050727-1400)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll
----------------------------------------
System.Drawing
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1433 (REDBITS.050727-1400)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Drawing/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Drawing.dll
----------------------------------------
DirectShowLib-2005
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.0.0
CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/SubtitleCreator/DirectShowLib-2005.DLL
----------------------------------------
System.Xml
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1433 (REDBITS.050727-1400)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Xml/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Xml.dll
----------------------------------------
ListViewEx
Assembly Version: 1.0.3115.24665
Win32 Version: 1.0.3115.24665
CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/SubtitleCreator/ListViewEx.DLL
----------------------------------------

************** JIT Debugging **************
To enable just-in-time (JIT) debugging, the .config file for this
application or computer (machine.config) must have the
jitDebugging value set in the system.windows.forms section.
The application must also be compiled with debugging
enabled.

For example:

<configuration>
<system.windows.forms jitDebugging="true" />
</configuration>

When JIT debugging is enabled, any unhandled exception
will be sent to the JIT debugger registered on the computer
rather than be handled by this dialog box.

[manusse]

Hi,

Do you use windows XP or Vista?
Is .NET framework 2.0 installed?

Cheers
Manusse

[kto]

xp. yes, 2.0.50727 seems to be installed:

C:\>dir /AD /B %systemroot%\Microsoft.NET\Framework
v1.0.3705
v1.1.4322
v2.0.50727
v3.0
v3.5

[kto]

ok, it was an old profiles.xml from version 2.2 in local settings which seems to have caused the problem. must be incompatible with the current version.
it works now that i took it away.

took me some time to figure this out, however.

[kto]

now, i've got one more question: where is this junk below the subtitles coming from and how do i get rid of it?
http://i41.tinypic.com/xlmpvr.jpg
it is visible after i remux the generated .sup files back into a dvd; it happens with different fonts/colors/position values.

[manusse]

Hi,

That's a bug.
Sorry for that

Manusse

[kto]

ok, it's a bug, but is it possible to circumvent it somehow?
they say in another thread that it could be eliminated by moving the subs up or down a bit, but i've tried changing the vertical position by 1/2/3/4 pixels, and the artefacts are still there.

cropping subpic background in dvdsubedit, as mentioned here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1279196#post1279196), does not seem to work either. is there any way to fix or circumvent this? it prevents me from using subtitlecreator altogether, unfortunately

[paulal]

not sure if this is the right forum/location...

I have a Multimedia Player Plextor MPE500U, and I use subtitlecreator v2.3rc1 to create the idx/sub subtitles as the text-oriented subtitles are not properly shown on screen.
Unfortunately, I have following problem with it: after awhile (usually after 15-20 minutes watching the movie), the player starts to skip subtitles (not showing them): sometimes 1-2 lines, sometimes it does not show subtitles for over 1 minute (and more).
I've tried all sorts of setting combinations with SubtitleCreator, but no luck sofar. Experimenting with VirtualDub, I 'accidently' found out that setting the Interleave to 2 frames (via Audio stream) improves this (usually) considerably. But it is still a pain to watch a movie...

If you came across this phenomena, and knows a solution, I'll glad to hear it :)

thx in advance for any reply/suggestion,
pol

[DoctorM]

I have a feature request: Find and Replace. Would be pretty useful.

[DoctorM]

Hmm. Upgraded to v2.3rc1 and found something weird.
Several of my titles (always single line ones), jitter (flicker?) up and down 1-2 lines while being displayed.
This is only noticeable on a standalone player. I don't see it when viewing on MPC, PowerDVD or checking the titles in DVDSubEdit.
Anyone have any ideas what might cause that?

Edit: I can duplicate this on 2 different model DVD players.
I've also found that it is a result of the 'Anti-Flicker Filter'. I don't know what it's suppose to do, but it is doing the opposite of what it's called.
So, if you are noticing a vertical jitter on standalone players (particularly on single-lines of text), go to Formatting/Render Method and select 'Plain and Fast' instead.
Some times the old ways are better.

Edit 2: It's much less common, but a few of the 2-line titles jitter now.
What is causing this? I don't recall seeing it in older versions.

Edit (Final): This jitter problem does not exist at all in v2.2, so it is new to rc1.
Also, for some reason v2.3 required that I retimed 29.97fps subtitles to 30fps in order for it to sync... even though it was already synced and works fine with older versions of SC.

[paulal]

hi,

does anyone know how to create a profile for 720p TV screen ? Since this weekend, I'm using the Emtec N200 mediaplayer, which can not handle the SC idx/sub files; or so it seems.

I've a working idx/sub (created by BDSup2Sub apparently) that works just fine, but colors/positioning are not to my liking. I loaded this subtitle in SC and rewrote it using my own profile, but no subtitles are shown (and the player seems to have a problem with it, as it seem to drag down on the remote response).

any help/suggestions. I've gone through this discussion forum without finding any answers...

thx in advance,
pol :confused:

[manono]

You could try VobSub Configure to change the colors/positioning if SubtitleCreator isn't working for you.

[0xdeadbeef]

I've a working idx/sub (created by BDSup2Sub apparently) that works just fine, but colors/positioning are not to my liking.
I will probably regret to have asked, but why don't you change position and colors in BDSup2Sub? If you load the created SUB/IDX, you can edit the global DVD palette as well as each frame palette.
Positions are fully editable, too.

[paulal]

@ 0xdeadbeef

I didn't know you could do this for all frames in one sweep, AND that you can run things from the commandline too ! Manually, it is a bit of a hassle, but I made a batchfile to do the trick. Things are working just fine now.

2 questions regarding BDSup2Sub:
1. I've been playing with the colors a bit, but I can't seem to make it work. What I like, is change the white of the letters to a gray-er version. I have a Plasma tv, and bright white burns in very quickly.
2. If I select 720p (instead of Pal), the N200 mediaplayer shows the subtitles for about 5-10 secs, then the tv turns green-ish and (while you still hear the movie playing) evt returns to the main menu (thus stop playing). This could be a N200 issue though. Too bad, because 720p seems to give me sharper titles...

For the record: I select to move the captions "outside bounds" (close to the bottom). Since many movies play with black top/bottom bars, I prefer it this way so my titles hardly show up in the movie area itself.

btw: if anyone is interested in the batchfile, just send me a mail. what it does: first it builds a list of your srt-files, then creates the appropriate SC idx/sub files and finally the BDSup2Sub idx/sub files (regardless of where the srt files are located on your disk)

[0xdeadbeef]

I answered here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1337808#post1337808) to not clutter this thread with an unrelated discussion.

[blue2]

I've two small questions on setting up defaults with the latest version of SubtitleCreator v2.3rc1 under XP

First, I'm unable to have the program open with a default profile specified. It always opens in "No Profile Active". I believe that previous versions permitted this. I've tried re-installing and also reviewing the Profile.xml file but I don't see what is causing the issue. The previous version had these lines in the Profile.xml file (which the new version does NOT):

<!--The index below gives the Active Profile (profile list follows)-->
<ActiveProfile>1</ActiveProfile>

However, even attempting to add these lines to the new Profile.xml file still does not load a deault profile.

Second, how do I set default colors in the Settings.xml file so that it will automatically load these default colors each time so that I won't have to constantly use the pull down menus. It isn't clear to me how the Settings.xml needs to have these deault colors indicated.

What I see in the Settings.Xml file is this:

<!--Maybe you prefer to have yellow subtitles instead of my default white ones, so here is your chance
to define your own preferences.-->
<PreferedSubtitleColors>
<PreferedBackgroundColor Red="190" Green="190" Blue="190" />
<PreferedForegroundColor Red="255" Green="255" Blue="255" />
<PreferedOutlineColor Red="0" Green="0" Blue="0" />
<PreferedAntialiasColor Red="128" Green="128" Blue="128" />
</PreferedSubtitleColors>
</Settings>

So how do I have to change this to make these my preferred colors: Background-White Transparent / Text-Yellow 100% / Outline-Black 100% / AntiAlias-Dark Gray Transparent ?

Anyone know how to accomplish these rather banal requests?

[blue2]

No one has used this feature of pre-setting the colors?

Since no one replied, I moved back to v2.2 and it DOES correctly maintain the default profile again. So this appears to be a bug in RC1 or its profile file.

[blue2]

Judging by the lack of response, I guess that this is an abandoned program. So I'll move on to something else.

[manusse]

Hi,

As a matter of fact, it is not abandonned. However the 2 developpers involved (I am one of them) haven"t improved the program for at least one year due to lack of time and other priorities.
I'll try to have a look at the bug you've found and may ask for your help to test it.

Cheers
Manusse

[blue2]

Thanks for your reply manusse. I know that there's always conflicting priorities. I just figured that among the more experienced members of this forum someone would know if the default profile works in the latest build or not. A two minute verification on another machine would clarify if this is a bug, a problem with my profile.xml file or some conflict on my machine.

Regarding the question about setting default colors in the Settings.Xml file, there is text in that file that suggests it can be done, and yet I'm not experienced enough to know how to accomplish it. I tried modifying these lines:

<PreferedSubtitleColors>
<PreferedBackgroundColor Red="190" Green="190" Blue="190" />
<PreferedForegroundColor Red="255" Green="255" Blue="255" />
<PreferedOutlineColor Red="0" Green="0" Blue="0" />
<PreferedAntialiasColor Red="128" Green="128" Blue="128" />
</PreferedSubtitleColors>
</Settings>

Obviously I don't know what I'm doing and so the program would not open with the incorrect guesses that I put. Luckily I thought to save the profile file in another location so I could then just put the default one back.

So if I'd like these preferred colors: Background-White Transparent / Text-Yellow 100% / Outline-Black 100% / AntiAlias-Dark Gray Transparent what setting changes do I need to do to these above lines?

Many thanks again.

[blue2]

Any word? Thank you.

[manusse]

Hi,

I've tried to set the Profile to something else than default. Then I close SC. When I reopen it, the new selected profile is applied even though the menu doesn't show it.
So yes, there seems to be a bug. But it seems to me it's only in when you want to see what is the current profile.
I'll try to fix it and keep you informed.

Cheers
Manusse

[blue2]

Hi,

I've tried to set the Profile to something else than default. Then I close SC. When I reopen it, the new selected profile is applied even though the menu doesn't show it.
So yes, there seems to be a bug. But it seems to me it's only in when you want to see what is the current profile.
I'll try to fix it and keep you informed.

Cheers
Manusse

Hello Manusse. Thanks for your reply. For me, it was a slightly different problem I think. I set up a default profile. But each time I opened the program, it would NOT open to the default, but indicate "No Proflie Active" So a few times I forgot to check the profile and ended up with very unexpected results. I reverted back to 2.2 and all is back to normal. So the RC is apparently not processing the profile file correctly.

My more important question was how to set up default colors in the settings.xml file. Since I add subs to all my own films in the EXACT same way each time, it would be nice to automate this selection process. The settings.xml file seems to suggest this is possible.

So how do I do that? (If I am just able to preset these settings, I'll be very satisfied.) What do I have to do to these setting to get these preferred colors: Background-White Transparent / Text-Yellow 100% / Outline-Black 100% / AntiAlias-Dark Gray Transparent:


<PreferedSubtitleColors>
<PreferedBackgroundColor Red="190" Green="190" Blue="190" />
<PreferedForegroundColor Red="255" Green="255" Blue="255" />
<PreferedOutlineColor Red="0" Green="0" Blue="0" />
<PreferedAntialiasColor Red="128" Green="128" Blue="128" />
</PreferedSubtitleColors>
</Settings>

Many thanks.
blue2

[Foofaraw]

Here is a GUI request:

On the main screen (with the picture at the top, and the list of subtitles at the bottom) - there is a divider bar between then two and you can drag it up and down to resize the sections - I would like to request that you allow us to drag it further DOWN -
Currently i can't see all of the "position the subtitles" field - but could if i could drag it a bit further down.

[manusse]

Hi,

Could you please post a screen copy so that we can exactly see what you mean. (use imageshack)

Thanks
Manusse

[blue2]

If you were referring to my post, here is your screenshot. As you see, your settings.xml file suggests that default colors can be changed here, but I've found no explanation anywhere on how to do so, and I've done quite a bit of searching. Many thanks.

blue2

[manusse]

Sorry, my post was addressed to Foofaraw.

[blue2]

Okay, Manusse, but if you helped write the code for this program, is there a reason why you can't answer my question? What was the purpose of having these code lines in the settings.xml file is NO ONE knows how to modify them to change the colors as this clearly suggests is possible? Is there NO way to modify the settings file to have the same pre-set colors every time (just like I can preset the font, position, etc.)?

And to help you, here's the other user's question. The spacing bar will NOT go any lower than this (it also has the same limitation on the top as well).

[manusse]

is there a reason why you can't answer my question?
Just lack of free time. I'm really too busy.
I'll try to answer ASAP.

Cheers
Manusse

[manusse]

@blue2,

I started having a look.
Could you please explain me how you are creating your subtitles:
Do you add subtitles to an existing DVD or do you just create SUP files from scratch and add them to a DVD without subtitles or do you create VobSub files?

Cheers
Manusse

[manusse]

Hi blue2,

Normally the four colors you are chosing in the xml file will appear the following way:
The Background color is attributed to color 12, Foreground to color 13, Outline to color 14 and Antialias to color 15.
when you select Format(ting)->Use prefered subtitle colors then one of the 2 submenues.
Did you use it?

Cheers
Manusse

[blue2]

@blue2,

I started having a look.
Could you please explain me how you are creating your subtitles:
Do you add subtitles to an existing DVD or do you just create SUP files from scratch and add them to a DVD without subtitles or do you create VobSub files?

Cheers
Manusse

Hi Manusse.

I add sup files to recorded material that has no subtitles (my wife is hard of hearing). So there are no pre-set colors, and I can use the pull down menu as shown in the second screenshot above without problem.

But when I had a look at the Settings.Xml file and saw mention of setting my own colors (the other screenshot), I assumed it meant that I could override the settings in the pull down menu so that they would default to MY pre-set colors (which are always the same), unless I desired to use the pull down menu and change them.

It would just be nice to automate a task that I have to remember to do each time. That is why I reverted back to v2.2, because I don't need the addtional functionality that the RC1 provided and I couldn't get the pre-set profile to stick. I then would occasionally forget to set it manually and have to remux again.

So if I just need to adjust those four lines in the Settings.xml file what changes do I need to make to change my colors as indicated in my original post? So for example, the coding Red="190" Green="190" Blue= "190" indicates a color? How would I change that to yellow for example?

[manono]

So for example, the coding Red="190" Green="190" Blue= "190" indicates a color? How would I change that to yellow for example?


Yellow is Red="255" Green="255" Blue= "0". See the chart a little ways down from the top:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexadecimal_color

And yes, Red="190" Green="190" Blue= "190" is a color, a light grey color:

[blue2]

Yellow is Red="255" Green="255" Blue= "0". See the chart a little ways down from the top:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexadecimal_color

And yes, Red="190" Green="190" Blue= "190" is a color, a light grey color:

Perfect! I had no idea what the numbers referred to.

Before when I picked arbitrary values, the program would not open due to incorrect values in the settings file. Now I can do some experimenting. Thanks for clarifying how the system works !

P.S. By the way, somewhere in the documentation I seem to remember reading that the program defaults to the settings stored in the user profile and then to the application profile. It took me a while to find that the user setttings were actually in each user's local settings folder not the user settings folder itself.

[blue2]

That did the trick. I just needed to be pointed in the right direction. Thanks again to you both for your assistance. Now I've got it working perfectly with my chosen default settings.

[medp7060]

Is there ways to apply the "set colors and transparencies" settings for all the subtitles? I do not fancy colorful subtitles. It is Ok as long as all the subtitles can be shown correctly.

Here is a case: I have to adjust the "set colors and transparencies" settings for each of them in order to show them correctly. e.g. lines 21 and 22 of the "test.sup"

http://rapidshare.com/files/330992836/test.sup.rar

Edited: The "Edit all" does not apply the settings to all of the subtitles.

[Csimbi]

I am trying to add subtitles to my Cube DVD which does not have any subtitles.
I followed this guide here (http://forum.videohelp.com/topic338721.html).
The first part, where SubtitleCreator is supposed to do everything for you failed miserably - there was an error at some point by one of the tools and obviously the rest of the chain was broken.
Then, I was following the second part of the guide, using the tools manually. Well, I got the subtitles in, but the subs are quite ugly: some subtitles are with yellow color, some with white, there is strong pixellation (whereas there is supposed to be anti-aliasing) including strange discolored pixels, etc. I thought I made a mistake so I started from scratch and done it all over again, only to get the same result.
Maybe SubtitleCreator does not support the new version of the tools?
What might be causing the wrong colours and pixellation?
Is there a better way to add subtitles nowadays?
Thank you.

[manusse]

@medp7060,

I've tried to download your sample file but it was impossible to get it with a free account. Could you please post it somewhere else?

Cheers
Manusse

[medp7060]

Strange, it is a small file and is downloadable using a free account.
Anyway, I now directly uploaded here. But it is not accessible till approved.

[glisoni]

Hello.

Is there a way to change the working folder?
I have a situation where all my apps are on partition where is not enough free space (but nothing happens there neither) and it looks like thas SC is creating files in ..sc\examles\ folder before it moves them to output folder.
I'm using AVS2DVD to convert my mkv's to dvd for my parents; and SC is a part of that package...

Been looking through menus, and just couldn't find any settings where one could set the path for this 'working' folder....

CU
Goran

[Paulcat]

Just going almost off topic here, my version(s) of SC no longer work after I installed the .Net Framework 4.0 (WinXP Pro, SP2). Neither 1.9.0 nor 2.2 will even start (this is also a Paint.Net issue) but I was wondering if anyone else was experiencing this? If you have a WORKING SOLUTION, please reply or email me at Paulyclees@yahoo.com

[krosswindz]

Just going almost off topic here, my version(s) of SC no longer work after I installed the .Net Framework 4.0 (WinXP Pro, SP2). Neither 1.9.0 nor 2.2 will even start (this is also a Paint.Net issue) but I was wondering if anyone else was experiencing this? If you have a WORKING SOLUTION, please reply or email me at Paulyclees@yahoo.com

An extremely late reply, have you tried the RC1 from here http://sourceforge.net/projects/subtitlecreator/files/SubtitleCreator%20Beta/

[Butcher Wing]

Hi, I'm really hoping someone can shed some light on this problem for me.

I've started using Subtitle Creator (latest version) recently. Well, I mean I've started to entertain the idea of using it but what I don't get is why the subtitles I create look nice on the preview window, but then when I save them to .sup and author them to a dvd in IFOedit, the subs end up looking all messy.

ie: Tatty, splodgy outlines, some of the black outline is bleeding into the white font face and vice versa.
There is are also little black dots and blobs that seem to have strayed from the outline of the font.

I swear I made subtitles years ago using Subtitle Creator and didn't have this problem.

I have all the colours set correctly. I know how to do that.

What I've noticed is that if I click "Display actual output.(no AA)", then I see just how tatty my subtitles are going to look.

The look matches how my subs end up looking perfectly. Ugly. :(


Why does Subtitles Creator not add "anti aliasing" to the subs when creating them?

Does everyone have this problem and just puts up with it, or is it just me?

[manusse]

Hi,

The actual subtitles on a DVD use only 4 colors (1 is for transparency). Hence it is impossible to implement an AntiAliasing (AA).
However SubtitleCreator can display a better AA on the computer screen that doesn't have this limitation. However this is just for the fun of it because it is not possible to do the same on the DVD.
So in conclusion, it is impossible to get a good AA on a DVD whatever the authoring program you are using.

Cheers
Manusse

[manono]

Does everyone have this problem and just puts up with it, or is it just me?
MaestroSBT creates an excellent antialiased subtitle. I make SST subs for authoring with Muxman. I've never created subs using SubtitleCreator so I don't have any idea about your problem

The actual subtitles on a DVD use only 4 colors (1 is for transparency). Hence it is impossible to implement an AntiAliasing (AA).
Are we talking about different things here? Yes, one color is the transparency color and that leaves 3 more. I use black for the outline, light grey for the main color, and dark grey for the antialiasing.

[qknet]

Hi,

So far, SC is still the fastest vobsub generator. But I can't get the output to be displayed on my hdplayer (Egreat R200) while vobsub created by txt2vobsub and EasySUP can be displayed fine. Even when I open a vobsub that works with me by SC, and save as another vobsub, the latter would not show.

What am I to do?

[manono]

It must be creating funky VobSubs. Try opening them in SubResynch (included as part of the VobSub package) and then resave them:

http://www.videohelp.com/tools/VobSub

[dashali]

I want to convert srt to sup. my srt is Persian lang. In SC I select a unicode arabic/persian font "B Roya".
The Problem is for adding music symbol ♫ that in SC display like squire (⎕).
If I use western character with arabic/persian like "هستم Julie من" and select a arabic/persian font, automatically SC use a western font ("Microsoft Sans Serif", I guess) for display western character.
So, I want know how I change this default western font to "Arial" or "Times New Roman" instead "Microsoft Sans Serif'"; in order to resolve problem of display ♫.

[dashali]

a solution may be editing "Settings.xml" in program's Data directory, in Value of ♫:
♫ replace with &lt;f Name='Times New Roman', Type='Bold', Size='32'&gt;♫&lt;/f&gt;

This has a problem, that is fixed size & type, but I want to determine font only.

[nautilus7]

Any chance for other than ANSI encoding support?

[Ghitulescu]

a solution may be editing "Settings.xml" in program's Data directory, in Value of ♫:
replace with

This has a problem, that is fixed size & type, but I want to determine font only.

maybe because your font doesn't have this sign ♫ ;)

[manusse]

Any chance for other than ANSI encoding support?

Actually development of SC has stopped due to lack of time by the two main developers, Paddington and myself.
Sorry,

Manusse

[cord-factor]

Sorry deleted

[amtm]

Any chance for other than ANSI encoding support?

If you are still interested when I get home tonight I'll add that in. It looks like it just needs additional entries in the settings file used to populate the encoding options for the utf-8 and utf-16 code page support so you can manually choose the options instead of just ANSI. I'll also add a fallback in the code in case the currently selected encoding fails to try to autodetect the encoding of the subtitle file as well.

[nautilus7]

Yes, it would be great!

[amtm]

Try this (https://github.com/downloads/athomasm/subtitlecreator/Setup_SubtitleCreator_v2_3rc2.exe). In a few simple tests I tried it worked. Let me know if you have any issues. Source code of this version is at: https://github.com/athomasm/subtitlecreator/

[nautilus7]

Yes, it works. Thanks a lot!

[amtm]

Good to hear. :) Reporting the new version to videohelp so they have it too.

[amtm]

If anyone else has any features they want added or bugs looked at I can look into it. I can't promise a turnaround as short as the Unicode fix, since that was a quick to find and isolated change, but I'll try. Outside of pushing a bug fix and a minor feature addition to delaycut I'll be busy for the next couple of days so it might be a bit before I can look into it.

[manusse]

Hi amtm,

It's good to see that you're adding new features to SubtitleCreator. However, you must let everyone clearly know that the version you are providing is not an official release of SubtitleCreator.
Otherwise there will be some confusion and this may lead to big problems for the users. If for example an official 2.3rc2 version is released by us. How will users differenciate between the version you are releasing and ours?

Maybe you already have contacted Erik Vullings (Paddington on this forum) and agreed on that subject. In that case forget about my comment.

Otherwise, I would advice that you contact him (send me a PM and I'll send you his email). In the meantime, you can slightly change the name of the fork of SubtitleCreator you are developping. (Like has been done for VirtualDub and VirtualDubMod for example).

Cheers
Manusse

[amtm]

Ok I will contact him and also change the name to prevent confusion. I'll push a modified version later tonight

[Superb]

@manusse: I'm confused. Are you guys still developing "the official" SubtitleCreator? Where can we find the new work? The SF.net svn repository was last updated on Oct 24 2010... :/

[amtm]

I'm still waiting to hear back from Erik so I took down the installer binary for now. Once I hear from him I'll repost the binary with what ever changes Erik would like made. For now though the source with the changes is still at the github link.

[manusse]

@Superb
Are you guys still developing "the official" SubtitleCreator

Actually we are not because we don't have time. Erik stopped working on it and personally I don't really have enough free time. However if somebody wants to work work on a new version he has to change the name of the program because you'll never know. Someday myself or Erik could work on it and there would be much confusion within the users.

Happy new year!

Manusse

[almozayaf]

is there a way to convert multy SRT files to SUB not just one by one
i need that for a tv show

[Siddus]

>>amtm, where's the modified version that you made ??
Don't know what to do with all the files lying on github..
brgds
Siddus

[DoctorM]

I know it is too much to hope for an update at this point, but does anyone know of a quick easy method, program, etc. for performing this task:

Search and replace all instances of ♪ with <s m/>, and then saving with ANSI encoding?

SC doesn't recognize UTF-8 encoding which is pretty common with SRT files... and what Siddus said above, no idea what to do with github.

Edit: Github is now gone. Guess that's the end of that.