Trying something more advanced than the regular backup

WingCommander · 17th December 2006, 12:34

Greetings,

I am currently tryingt o make a backup of my x-files dvd. I was initially planning on using traditional DF4U and sceneaid but after leaving out the German audio track the overall bitrate was not very good. The DVD holds english, german and my language audio tracks, but I cannot leave out english since the deleted scenes track have only english language. At this point I was considering the following and would like to ask if there is a way of doing it: Could be possible to somehow relink the english audio track of the deleted scenes as my own language and then safely remove the remaining english track? That way during the deleted scenes I would keep the english audio and my own for the rest.

Thanks in advance

BigCondor · 17th December 2006, 13:40

Try DVD Shrink, separate titles can have different audio streams.

WingCommander · 17th December 2006, 15:15

Well, I would prefer to avoid using shrink for video reencode... unless you are perhaps mentioning shrink for a more creative use?

BigCondor · 19th December 2006, 04:10

I think you are mistaken, you can use DVD Shrink without shrinking. I always use DVD Shrink but I seldom use it for shrinking unless the percentage is really small. It is very good at removing unwanted streams.

D3s7 · 19th December 2006, 21:38

when you say the bitrate wasn't so good do you mean the bitrate it needed to fit after being re-encoded or do you mean the bitrate selected caused either oversizing or undersizing?

WingCommander · 19th December 2006, 22:13

@BigCondor: I've tried that today, however, engilsh language is track 0, my own track 2, but the deleted scenes has track 0 linked to the 3 languages and the removal of the 0 track on the main chapters left the deleted scenes with no sound.

@D3s7: The calculated bitrate after the dvd9 to dvd5 calculations (needed to fit). Barely over 2600 which isnt quite spectacular IMHO

BigCondor · 20th December 2006, 01:33

In this case the deleted scenes are probably reused cells of the main movie so I think there is little you can do with that.

D3s7 · 20th December 2006, 15:06

2600 can be a bit low depending on the assets involved...

you could include some more of the VTS sets to be re-encoded or run the menus through numenu (depending on size) to up that value a bit.

depending on "where" the deleted scenes are, you could always rebuild those... I've seen plenty of movies where the deleted scenes are referenced in a seperate VTS set and some are just different PGC's...

It require a bit more manual work but is dueable

WingCommander · 20th December 2006, 21:40

well, there is only one VTS set with several PGCs, some of them being the deleted scenes and right now I am reencoding the whole disk (except for the menu). I've been playing a bit with pgcedit trying to swap the audio tracks with not much sucess so far as well although I have to admit my experience with pgcedit is close to null

17th December 2006, 12:34	#1 \| Link
WingCommander Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 9	Trying something more advanced than the regular backup Greetings, I am currently tryingt o make a backup of my x-files dvd. I was initially planning on using traditional DF4U and sceneaid but after leaving out the German audio track the overall bitrate was not very good. The DVD holds english, german and my language audio tracks, but I cannot leave out english since the deleted scenes track have only english language. At this point I was considering the following and would like to ask if there is a way of doing it: Could be possible to somehow relink the english audio track of the deleted scenes as my own language and then safely remove the remaining english track? That way during the deleted scenes I would keep the english audio and my own for the rest. Thanks in advance

19th December 2006, 21:38	#5 \| Link
D3s7 ScenAid Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,623	when you say the bitrate wasn't so good do you mean the bitrate it needed to fit after being re-encoded or do you mean the bitrate selected caused either oversizing or undersizing? __________________ ScenAid May just replace the dog as man's best friend http://www.scenaid.com

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D3s7 ScenAid Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,623	2600 can be a bit low depending on the assets involved... you could include some more of the VTS sets to be re-encoded or run the menus through numenu (depending on size) to up that value a bit. depending on "where" the deleted scenes are, you could always rebuild those... I've seen plenty of movies where the deleted scenes are referenced in a seperate VTS set and some are just different PGC's... It require a bit more manual work but is dueable __________________ ScenAid May just replace the dog as man's best friend http://www.scenaid.com

17th December 2006, 13:40	#2 \| Link
BigCondor Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 224	Try DVD Shrink, separate titles can have different audio streams.

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WingCommander Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 9	Well, I would prefer to avoid using shrink for video reencode... unless you are perhaps mentioning shrink for a more creative use?

19th December 2006, 04:10	#4 \| Link
BigCondor Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 224	I think you are mistaken, you can use DVD Shrink without shrinking. I always use DVD Shrink but I seldom use it for shrinking unless the percentage is really small. It is very good at removing unwanted streams.

19th December 2006, 22:13	#6 \| Link
WingCommander Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 9	@BigCondor: I've tried that today, however, engilsh language is track 0, my own track 2, but the deleted scenes has track 0 linked to the 3 languages and the removal of the 0 track on the main chapters left the deleted scenes with no sound. @D3s7: The calculated bitrate after the dvd9 to dvd5 calculations (needed to fit). Barely over 2600 which isnt quite spectacular IMHO

20th December 2006, 01:33	#7 \| Link
BigCondor Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 224	In this case the deleted scenes are probably reused cells of the main movie so I think there is little you can do with that.

20th December 2006, 21:40	#9 \| Link
WingCommander Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 9	well, there is only one VTS set with several PGCs, some of them being the deleted scenes and right now I am reencoding the whole disk (except for the menu). I've been playing a bit with pgcedit trying to swap the audio tracks with not much sucess so far as well although I have to admit my experience with pgcedit is close to null