Nero 7 does not work with Besweet - Page 2

defunkt · 2nd November 2005, 07:38

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Originally Posted by dimzon

...i need information which channel mapping reqied for Nero7)[/list]

By my reckoning it wants...

FR C FL SR LFE SL

dimzon · 2nd November 2005, 11:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by defunkt

By my reckoning it wants...

FR C FL SR LFE SL

does -6chnew produce C FR FL SR SL LFE ?

dimzon · 2nd November 2005, 15:20

bse_Nero7WA.dll

Usage:
-dimzon( -dllname bse_Nero7WA.dll <options>) where options are 100% compatible with -bsn switch options
use -6chnew for 5.1 encoding

please check: is 5.1 channel mapping ok now?

bond · 2nd November 2005, 17:48

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Originally Posted by dimzon

does -6chnew produce C FR FL SR SL LFE ?

-6chnew outputs the only channel mapping allowed in the aac specs for 5.1 (when being fed with the right input, eg ac3)
and that is C, L, R, SL, SR, LFE

JoeBG · 2nd November 2005, 18:32

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Originally Posted by bond

-6chnew outputs the only channel mapping allowed in the aac specs for 5.1 (when being fed with the right input, eg ac3)
and that is C, L, R, SL, SR, LFE

So the new dimzon plugin is not necessary for "-6chnew"? Everything okay with the Nero DLL´s?

dimzon · 2nd November 2005, 18:40

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Originally Posted by JoeBG

So the new dimzon plugin is not necessary for "-6chnew"?

No! BeSweet performs 5.1->stereo downmix if "-6chnew" is not specified

bond · 2nd November 2005, 18:42

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Originally Posted by dimzon

No! BeSweet performs 5.1->stereo downmix if "-6chnew" is not specified

well of course it does this!

what if some doesnt want 6ch output from a 6ch input? i dont see why its a problem to define that you want 6ch output

dimzon · 2nd November 2005, 18:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by bond

well of course it does this!

what if some doesnt want 6ch output from a 6ch input?

-azid( -s stereo )

defunkt · 2nd November 2005, 19:35

Has anyone else noticed v7 turning out much lower bitrates (vs. v6) given equivalent settings:

v6 HQ, LC, Stereo, VBR Streaming 161kbps 1210KB
v7 HQ, LC, Stereo, VBR Streaming 77kbps 589KB

v6 HQ, LC, Stereo, ABR 160 158kbps 1186KB
v7 HQ, LC, Stereo, ABR 160 122kbps 923KB

Kurtnoise · 2nd November 2005, 23:27

confirmed...probably the new tunings.

MacAddict · 3rd November 2005, 05:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by defunkt

Has anyone else noticed v7 turning out much lower bitrates (vs. v6) given equivalent settings:

v6 HQ, LC, Stereo, VBR Streaming 161kbps 1210KB
v7 HQ, LC, Stereo, VBR Streaming 77kbps 589KB

v6 HQ, LC, Stereo, ABR 160 158kbps 1186KB
v7 HQ, LC, Stereo, ABR 160 122kbps 923KB

Unfortunately I don't see the difference when using HE though. In fact it's just the opposite bitrate and file size increase compared to the older v6 series.

ziw0d0 · 3rd November 2005, 08:02

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Originally Posted by dimzon

bse_Nero7WA.dll

Usage:
-dimzon( -dllname bse_Nero7WA.dll <options>) where options are 100% compatible with -bsn switch options
use -6chnew for 5.1 encoding

please check: is 5.1 channel mapping ok now?

no...

Quote:

Image1. BeSweet.exe -core( -input "E:\100.ac3" -output "E:\1001.wav" -logfile "E:\1002.log" ) -6chwav
Image2. BeSweet.exe -core( -input "E:\100.ac3" -output "E:\1001.mp4" -logfile "E:\100.log" ) -dimzon( -cbr 96 -6chnew )
Image3. BeSweet.exe -core( -input "E:\100.ac3" -output "E:\100.mp4" -logfile "E:\100.log" ) -dimzon( -dllname bse_Nero7WA.dll -cbr 96 -6chnew )
http://rapidshare.de/files/7125552/100.ac3.html

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dimzon · 3rd November 2005, 12:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by ziw0d0

no...

please check new build http://www.mytempdir.com/242429
Thanx!

ziw0d0 · 3rd November 2005, 19:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimzon

please check new build http://www.mytempdir.com/242429
Thanx!

Ок, thx
New build screen (bse_Nero7WA.dll)
BeSweet.exe -core( -input "E:\100.ac3" -output "E:\100.mp4" -logfile "E:\100.log" ) -dimzon( -dllname bse_Nero7WA.dll -cbr 96 -6chnew )

bond · 3rd November 2005, 19:39

hm did nero change something in their plugins or why should the channel order suddenly be not right anymore?

KpeX · 3rd November 2005, 20:25

@ziw0d0: I deleted your attachments, since it seems you used other image hosting (which is the preferred way to post images). If this was a mistake, please let me know.

LiFe · 4th November 2005, 12:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by bond

hm did nero change something in their plugins or why should the channel order suddenly be not right anymore?

FYI their channel mapping in 5.1 AAC in recode was already incorrect when opening an .avs file (ie broken in Nero 6). I had already previously discussed this with whatsisname and they had acknowledged the bug.

bond · 4th November 2005, 12:37

but in besweet it was correct?

dunno what avisynth does

Wilbert · 4th November 2005, 15:38

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dunno what avisynth does

It should give the ordening L, R, C, LFE, SL, SR (WAVE-EX). More precisely any audio plugin (MPASource, NicAudio) is expected to decode the audio and return it using the ordening above. AviSynth itself won't change the ordening.

LiFe · 4th November 2005, 22:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by bond

but in besweet it was correct?

Dunno about BeSweet, I could never make it encode using AAC (I find that program notoriously difficult to use, and I never know exactly what it's doing.

Using recode to encode 5.1 avis and AC3 used correct mapping.

I also used SoundTrax and the Nero ROM "Encode Audio" thing to encode a "Left, Right, Centre..." wav, and they map fine. May be different with a WAV through AVS.

FYI, the AVS would play correctly mapped by itself, nero would switch the channel mapping.

2nd November 2005, 15:20	#23 \| Link
dimzon BeHappy/MeGUI developer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 1,727	BeSweet encoding plugin for Nero7 AAC channel mapping workaround bse_Nero7WA.dll Usage: -dimzon( -dllname bse_Nero7WA.dll <options>) where options are 100% compatible with -bsn switch options use -6chnew for 5.1 encoding please check: is 5.1 channel mapping ok now? __________________ BeHappy - AviSynth-based audio transcoding tool Audio encoding via AviSynth On2 VP7 is great in quality but it is unusable for long-term video backup puposes! Sincerely Yours, MCPD/MCTS Last edited by dimzon; 10th November 2005 at 12:40. Reason: new bse_Nero7WA.dll version (10 nov 2005)

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bond Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 9,770	but in besweet it was correct? dunno what avisynth does __________________ Between the weak and the strong one it is the freedom which oppresses and the law that liberates (Jean Jacques Rousseau) I know, that I know nothing (Socrates) MPEG-4 ASP FAQ \| AVC/H.264 FAQ \| AAC FAQ \| MP4 FAQ \| MP4Menu stores DVD Menus in MP4 (guide) Ogg Theora \| Ogg Vorbis use WM9 today and get Micro$oft controlling the A/V market tomorrow for free

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defunkt defkunt Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New Zealand Posts: 58	Has anyone else noticed v7 turning out much lower bitrates (vs. v6) given equivalent settings: v6 HQ, LC, Stereo, VBR Streaming 161kbps 1210KB v7 HQ, LC, Stereo, VBR Streaming 77kbps 589KB v6 HQ, LC, Stereo, ABR 160 158kbps 1186KB v7 HQ, LC, Stereo, ABR 160 122kbps 923KB

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Kurtnoise Swallowed in the Sea Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Aix-en-Provence, France Posts: 5,191	confirmed...probably the new tunings.