WebM Exciting New Video Standard with VP8, Vorbis, Matroska

[Selur]

yup, first time I ever read that some one called ffmpeg "noob friendly"

[stax76]

There is now basic WebM support using ffmpeg in StaxRip.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/staxmedia

[hajj_3]

new build of WebM out (webmdshow-0.9.10.0-20100809): http://webm.googlecode.com/files/web...0-20100809.zip

[Emp3r0r]

Found this demo video on YouTube encoded in WebM format:

WebM Demo with Leonardo Dicaprio - Shot with Red Camera

Quality looks good to me, however I can't get the video to play full screen with the html5 player.

[sibvic]

Originally Posted by Emp3r0r

Found this demo video on YouTube encoded in WebM format:

WebM Demo with Leonardo Dicaprio - Shot with Red Camera

Quality looks good to me, however I can't get the video to play full screen with the html5 player.

HTML5 forbids full screen play for 3rd-party players (because it's easy to emulate login form/dialog by full screen video+script and steal your password). Browsers should add support of full screen play themselves.

[Emp3r0r]

ah hah, pressing F11 got me really close, just the player controls remained on the screen

[PatchWorKs]

As you probably noticed, MPEG LA’s AVC License Will Not Charge Royalties for Internet Video that is Free to End Users through Life of License.

WebM side effect ? Is their fear rising ?

[wiak]

Originally Posted by Emp3r0r

Found this demo video on YouTube encoded in WebM format:

WebM Demo with Leonardo Dicaprio - Shot with Red Camera

Quality looks good to me, however I can't get the video to play full screen with the html5 player.

you can check my webm/html5 test site at http://s3.nwgat.net/sintel/sintel.html

encoded with FFmpeg & xiph vorbis encoder 1.2

[zafna]

webm is fully free,it never has royalties problem from google,you don't need to pay for anything,all is free

[ricardo.santos]

We can use AVC on the web free of charge when using non copyrighted videos NOW. I doubt commercial companies will change their pricing when they use webm (online video rental).

I think the current situation is more than enough/fair with AVC almost everywhere, if you make a profite you'll have to pay, if you use for personall use (family blog) you don't have to pay.

the concept of ONE video format is great but AVC is already playable in every browser, offers better quality, has fair usage terms.

Transition to webm will take more time than what people think (unless flash player includes webm decoding) and webmasters will have to pay more for hosting as they will have to host 2 versions of the same file.

I'm a newbie but all i see in this is a situation where hardware companies have a opportunity to sell more hardware "webm compatible", i think the format is being "pushed/rushed" to us.

Has anyone solved the ffmpeg bug where ffmpeg doesnt use the bitrate specified by the user?

[Atak_Snajpera]

Transition to webm will take more time than what people think (unless flash player includes webm decoding) and webmasters will have to pay more for hosting as they will have to host 2 versions of the same file.

I think transition will be very smooth and easy. Just install FireFox 4.0 or Chrome and you are ready to go.

[nurbs]

Yeah, 'cause that will magically make every website HTML5 compatible and convert every file on the internet into webm. There are also plenty of devices where installing either of the browsers not an option. There is definitely going to be a transition period and I doubt H.264 will vanish any time soon.

[Midzuki]

Just install FireFox 4.0 or Chrome and you are ready to go.

Not everybody likes Chrome and/or Firefox.

[Sharktooth]

opera likes webm too...
internet exploDer 9 will support it thru a plugin.
so 4 of the most common web browsers (will) support webm almost out of the box.
plus, next nvidia and ati cards (dont know about intel) will support webm hardware decoding...
and remember MPEG-LA can always "change" idea...

[Astrophizz]

Actually the mpegla can't reverse their position without risking legal repercussions. Also Chrome supports both h.264 and webm.

[oibaf]

Originally Posted by PatchWorKs

As you probably noticed, MPEG LA’s AVC License Will Not Charge Royalties for Internet Video that is Free to End Users through Life of License.

There is an interesting article about this here: Hold The Celebrations; H.264 Is Not The Sort Of Free That Matters:

First, the H.264-format video needs to be created - but that isn't free under this move. Then it needs to be served up for streaming - but that isn't free under this move. There then needs to be support for decoding it in your browser - but adding that isn't free under this move. Finally it needs to be displayed on your screen. [...] The only part of this sequence being left untaxed is the final one. Importantly, they are not offering to leave the addition of support for H.264 decoding in your browser untaxed. In particular, this means the Mozilla Foundation would have to pay to include the technology in Firefox.

[Sharktooth]

can you hear the bells ringing? webm is free in all those aspects.
IMHO webm is the future even if it is not on par with h.264... expecially x264.
in the meanwhile google released a quicktime component for webm. download(s) here: http://code.google.com/p/webm/downloads/list

[iwod]

No Hardware acceleration is a main concern.

[ricardo.santos]

@oibaf

First, the H.264-format video needs to be created - but that isn't free under this move.

My understanding is that for personal/noncommercial use its free, i can use my minidv camcorder and convert to h264 without paying.

Then it needs to be served up for streaming - but that isn't free under this move.

If people use webm they need to pay for hosting the files like we do for mp4 now, theres free storage for both formats.

There then needs to be support for decoding it in your browser - but adding that isn't free under this move.

i can play it in my browser though plash player for free.

[Sharktooth]

Originally Posted by iwod

No Hardware acceleration is a main concern.

HW acceleration is coming from all the bigs... including nvidia, ati, intel... etc.