Quicktime 7 for Windows now available

[acidsex]

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/preview/

Preview version

[SeeMoreDigital]

Well spotted... Thanks mate :)

[bond]

only available for windows XP and 2000, these lazy bastar*s!

[guada 2]

Good news :thanks:

[lazyn00b]

Already snagged it - I must say it is *extremely* slow. Currently re-encoding a 1280x720 clip that's only 160 seconds long to 720x480 with H.264 single pass, and it has taken 20 minutes to get to to 25% progress on an Athlon 64 2800+! LOL - maybe later this afternoon I can report how it went.

[acidsex]

I grabbed it but no way am I paying $30 for it since Nero/Ateme delivers all I need. Would be nice to be able to export H.264 AVC from Vegas 6 but even then I couldnt export AAC audio as it doesnt show up as an export option in Vegas 6.

At least I can watch the QT HD trailers now and hopefully it wont choke like my VLC did.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Core blimey mate... £20.00 for a new key code... Is this right?


Cheers

[lazyn00b]

Anybody thinking of getting this just to watch the Apple H.264 trailers - don't bother. Performance is way better with Haali + FFDshow (just rename .mov to .mp4). QT 7 (for Windows) plays the trailers with lots of vertical tearing and dropped frames :(

[bond]

actually anyone having an idea how to best encode a .vob with the correct non-anamorphic aspect ratio and resized in qt7?

at least qt6 doesnt support .avs

Anybody thinking of getting this just to watch the Apple H.264 trailers - don't bother. Performance is way better with Haali + FFDshow (just rename .mov to .mp4).
no need to rename the extension for this

[SeeMoreDigital]

Sadly, it appears QuickTime 7 player does not support encodes with anamorphic signalling.... not unless it's in the "Pro" version.... Bummer!

Has anybody bought the Pro version?

[lazyn00b]

Sadly, it appears QuickTime 7 player does not support encodes with anamorphic signalling.... not unless it's in the "Pro" version.... Bummer!

Has anybody bought the Pro version?

Sorry, I can't get QT 7 Pro to even *play* an anamorphic 720x480 video made by x264 with SAR 71/60. Will try more later after work :(

[SeeMoreDigital]

Sorry, I can't get QT 7 Pro to even *play* an anamorphic 720x480 video made by x264 with SAR 71/60. Will try more later after work :( I tried some x264 720x576 AVC muxes at 200Kbps without DAR and some Recode2 720x576 AVC muxes at 200Kbps with DAR signalling. Neither contained b-frames. Both played in QT7 but the Recode2 encode stuttered quite a bit.


Cheers

[IgorC]

QT7 doesn't play well x264 and Nero H.264 and doesn't support HE-AAC that isn't so new audio codec. All world is preparing for parametric stereo HE-AAC v2 they even don't support v1.

[Stacey Melissa]

QT7 on OS X supports 5.1 HE-AAC and it even downmixes to stereo perfectly. Unfortunately, it doesn't support custom aspect ratios, and is extraordinarly finicky about playing back x264 video. I'll have to try the Windows version to see if it's any better.

[plonk420]

Sadly, it appears QuickTime 7 player does not support encodes with anamorphic signalling.... not unless it's in the "Pro" version.... Bummer!

Has anybody bought the Pro version?

OS X version only, in my impatience.

in other news, i made an INSANELY good looking clip from Baraka @ 500kbits with x264 by accident (was going for 4000kbits and 6000kbits)... i'll try to hack it down to something semi-legal to post....


also, why the hell did it take 1+ months to "port" qt7 (actually looks more like 2-3 months..) if it only took 2 days to port Mathimatica? oh, that's right, they were busy porting OS X Tiger. or something... and no i'm not bitter about the time WinAllers had to wait, or about me buying the Mac Only key for QT7... >_>

[bond]

about he-aac in qt7: of course qt7 will play he-aac streams (as he-aac is backwards compatible), but not with the full quality

and yes, qt7 now supports multichannel aac (encoding and decoding)

[Stacey Melissa]

about he-aac in qt7: of course qt7 will play he-aac streams (as he-aac is backwards compatible), but not with the full quality
Hehe, I should have thought of that. I double-checked, and you're right, QT7 shows the HE-AAC as 24kHz instead of 48kHz. I just hadn't noticed the difference on my crappy PowerBook speakers. :D

[SeeMoreDigital]

I have not had any success getting any AVC muxes with 6Ch AAC-LC or AAC-HE to play in QT7... Maybe I've got to adjust some player settings...

Anyway I have managed to mux this 1024x576 AVC test sample into .MOV (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/seemoredigital/AVC+AAC_1024x576_in_MOV.html). With a minimum 512K ISP connection it should stream ;)


Cheers

[wiak]

nice thanks! :D

Apple sucks when they release the mac version first many weeks before the windoss! version! :thanks:

[Stacey Melissa]

I have not had any success getting any AVC muxes with 6Ch AAC-LC or AAC-HE to play in QT7... Maybe I've got to adjust some player settings...
Here's the Besweet (with Nero AAC codec) command I use to get QT7-compatible 5.1 HE-AAC. It also works if used with LC settings...

besweet.exe -core( -input input.ac3 -output output.mp4 -logfilea log.txt ) -azid( -c none ) -bsn( -6chnew -vbr_internet -codecquality_high -aacprofile_he )

It plays every time in QT7, without adjusting any playback settings.

[Kurtnoise]

Apple sucks when they release the mac version first many weeks before the windoss! version! :thanks:
come on... :readrule:

[SeeMoreDigital]

It would seem QT7 does not like playing 6Ch AAC-LC or HE .MP4 muxes generated using YAMB (MP4Box) or mp4UI (MPEG4IP), with or without an video element!

It can however, play 6Ch (and 2Ch) elementary .AAC streams just fine and allow you to save then directly into .MOV

It can also play 2Ch AAC-LC or HE .MP4 muxes generated using YAMB (MP4Box) or mp4UI (MPEG4IP), with or without an video element. And allow you to save then directly into .MOV


Cheers

[Stacey Melissa]

It would seem QT7 does not like playing 6Ch AAC-LC or HE .MP4 muxes generated using YAMB (MP4Box) or mp4UI (MPEG4IP), with or without an video element!

It can however, play 6Ch (and 2Ch) elementary .AAC streams just fine and allow you to save then directly into .MOV

It can also play 2Ch AAC-LC or HE .MP4 muxes generated using YAMB (MP4Box) or mp4UI (MPEG4IP), with or without an video element. And allow you to save then directly into .MOV


Cheers
I use the CLI of mp4box to mux my 5.1 AACs, and they've always played fine in QT7.

mp4box.exe -add videoinput.264 -fps 23.976 -add audioinput.mp4#trackID=1 -new output.mp4

[SeeMoreDigital]

I use the CLI of mp4box to mux my 5.1 AACs, and they've always played fine in QT7.Is this with the MAC verion of QT7 or with the WinXP version?


Cheers

[Stacey Melissa]

Is this with the MAC verion of QT7 or with the WinXP version?


Cheers
I see what you're saying. The Mac version works, but the WinXP doesn't. In the WinXP version, there is an audio tab in the preferences panel, but none of the settings would output any sound for me.

[SeeMoreDigital]

It looks like we've discovered a bug in the WinXP version of QT7 :eek:


Cheers

[SeeMoreDigital]

Earlier today I generated some Mpeg4 SP and Mpeg4 AVC with 6Ch AAC-LC and HE streams using Recode2. All of which can be played in QT7 and even re-muxed into .MOV.... So it seems playback of A/V encodes with 6Ch AAC is possible in QT7 :)

However, such encodes are still a little unstable because as soon as you try and check the files "Sound Track/Audio Settings" via "Movie Properties", QT7 crashes :eek:

On a different note... After re-muxing video streams containing anamorphic signalling and chapters into .MOV I've found that although QT7 player does not recognise either implementation, Nero's ShowTime 2 player can handle both and VLC player recognises the anamorphic signalling!

And by-the-way, does anybody know what these settings are supposed to do. I can't seem to make them do anything?

http://img245.echo.cx/img245/5118/qt7transformationsettings1wj.png


Cheers

[708145]

Earlier today I generated some Mpeg4 SP and Mpeg4 AVC with 6Ch AAC-LC and HE streams using Recode2. All of which can be played in QT7 and even re-muxed into .MOV.... So it seems playback of A/V encodes with 6Ch AAC is possible in QT7 :)
Cheers

SeeMoreDigital, do you have the pro version?
With the free trial I can't save it seems. :(

bis besser,
Tobias

[SeeMoreDigital]

SeeMoreDigital, do you have the pro version?
With the free trial I can't save it seems. :( Yes I do now... Yesterday I splashed out £20.00 and bought a new QT7 key-code!

I wanted to experiment with streaming AVC at 512K (and above) ISP connection speeds. And I've found QuickTimes embeded web player seems to work well, especially when both the audio and video streams are muxed into .MOV


Cheers

[toke]

And by-the-way, does anybody know what these settings are supposed to do. I can't seem to make them do anything?
You can change the size of a playback window, eg. for anam. PAL you could set current (display) size to 1050x576 and the real footages resolution stays in 720x576.
Sadly you can save these settings only in .mov-container...

[bond]

And by-the-way, does anybody know what these settings are supposed to do. I can't seem to make them do anything?

http://img245.echo.cx/img245/5118/qt7transformationsettings1wj.png
as mentioned in my mp4 faq already, the mp4 container supports a so called "composition matrix", which for example allows you to rotate the video, anamorhpic resize, use multiple layers aso (all the info is stored on container level)

[SeeMoreDigital]

as mentioned in my mp4 faq already, the mp4 container supports a so called "composition matrix", which for example allows you to rotate the video, anamorhpic resize, use multiple layers aso (all the info is stored on container level)Yes, thanks guys... Bond, I read your information in the MP4 FAQ: -2) on the container level: MP4 offers the possibility to use a "Composition Matrix", which allows the changing of the AR, rotating of the picture, multilayer handling, mixing of two audio streams during playback (eg seperated speech and music in movies), etc...
Quicktime/Pro (http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/) already offers many composition possibilities via Movie -> Get Movie Properties -> Video/Sound Track -> Size/Layer/Volume/... and the correct playback of such composed MP4 filesHowever, I got a little stumped because I was trying to adjust the AR settings of video streams while they were still within the .MP4 container. But as Toke pointed out, they currently only work with the .MOV container!

The forced AR correction seems to be working well now with QT7, even in the web based embedded player.


Cheers

[SeeMoreDigital]

I forgot to ask...

Does the following 90 second Mpeg4/AAC in .MOV sample work OK on a MAC?

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/seemoredigital/Log_Surfing.htm


Cheers

[bond]

Yes, thanks guys... Bond, I read your information in the MP4 FAQ: -However, I got a little stumped because I was trying to adjust the AR settings of video streams while they were still within the .MP4 container. But as Toke pointed out, they currently only work with the .MOV container!
well in qt6 pro all these features were already there and also worked with .mp4

[SeeMoreDigital]

well in qt6 pro all these features were already there and also worked with .mp4I've done some more checking...

It seems you can adjust the video "transformation" settings of .MP4 files. However, once they've been altered, you can't play them back with QT7 player... as the player just stalls!

And when you play the .MP4 file in ShowTime, the audio element is missing. Plus, when you feed the file into YAMB (to de-mux or amend the streams), you get this: -

http://img100.echo.cx/img100/3860/qt7mp4bork3xm.png


Cheers

[giandrea]

I forgot to ask...

Does the following 90 second Mpeg4/AAC in .MOV sample work OK on a MAC?

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/seemoredigital/Log_Surfing.htm


Cheers

Yes, it does play well (a bit of frame dropping, but I'm on an 800 MHz G4).

[SeeMoreDigital]

Yes, it does play well (a bit of frame dropping, but I'm on an 800 MHz G4).Cool, thanks for that buddy :D


Cheers

[toke]

Does the following 90 second Mpeg4/AAC in .MOV sample work OK on a MAC?
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/seemoredigital/Log_Surfing.htm

Yep, with Os X 10.3.9 or 10.4.1 and QT 7.0.1, at least...

Haven't seen that ad here in Finland!

[toke]

well in qt6 pro all these features were already there and also worked with .mp4

Really?
How did it work?
I never succeeded making non-sq video with qt6pro in mp4.
Or did you use some other software?

[toke]

But as Toke pointed out, they currently only work with the .MOV container!
The forced AR correction seems to be working well now with QT7, even in the web based embedded player.
Apple brags about how mp4 is based on a qt, but it seems that they don't care to make their software to work with mp4. I hope this changes when we are getting harware avc-mp4 players...

[bond]

toke, these features are till now nowhere supported except qt, so its better to signal anamorphic resize on the bitstream level which is widely supported already

Apple brags about how mp4 is based on a qt, but it seems that they don't care to make their software to work with mp4. I hope this changes when we are getting harware avc-mp4 players...
as i said: it works in qt6, so the lack of support in qt7 is propably simply caused by a bug!?

[toke]

as i said: it works in qt6

Maybe non-sq has been in pc version but not in mac?
(I use macs at work.)

Can you give a short description about your workflow with qt6?
How did you got non-sq mp4's?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Can anybody confirm whether QT7 (for WinXP or MAC O/S) supports playback of Mpeg4 AVC with B-frames, and if so... is there a limit?


Cheers

[bond]

qt7 can encode and decode avc with b-frames :)

[SeeMoreDigital]

qt7 can encode and decode avc with b-frames :)That's what I thought

I tried some AVC encodes generated with 1 and 2 B-frames. The X264 encodes stuttered quite a bit. And the NeroDigital ones locked QT7.... That said, even ND encodes without B-frames seem to do odd things to QT7

Has anybody else had any luck?


Cheers

[IgorC]

I've seen it possible to encode from QT7 H.264 source via avisynth.
I can't find any information.
is it correct to use aviscrypt like that if I had QT7 :

video=DirectShowSource("C:\source\1.mov",fps=25)
video= ConvertToYV12 (video)
return video

[bond]

I've seen it possible to encode from QT7 H.264 source via avisynth.
I can't find any information.
is it correct to use aviscrypt like that if I had QT7 :

video=DirectShowSource("C:\source\1.mov",fps=25)
video= ConvertToYV12 (video)
return videoi tried it too and my conclusion was that it is not possible to use avisynth in quicktime atm (also not via fake .avi files)

[winman]

It looks like the QuickTime 7 Player for Windows Public Preview 2 is now avaiable:

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/preview/

23.8 MB
QuickTime Version 7.0.2a63

[SeeMoreDigital]

Preview 2 is 23.8MB :eek:

That's an massive leap from Preview 1, at 14.5MB.... Lets hope it's better!


Cheers

[Ice =A=]

Thanks for the info!
I see no difference (at least from the video playing side it seems to be just as slow), do you?!?