Quicktime 7 for Windows now available [Archive] - Page 2

Ice =A=

16th July 2005, 00:02

any changes of abc?

Little joke, I couldn't resist, sorry... :)
What do you mean with changes of AdvancedVideoCodec? Do you mean encoding improvements?! The codec itself is rather standardised and can not be changed much after it has been released. It's like DivX6, which is not changed since DivX5.0.0 (at least in its core). The decoder performance or the encoder however can improve (as with DivX6), that's true...
And what changes of AAC (which is some sound standard, isn't it?) should be there?

bond

16th July 2005, 00:23

What do you mean with changes of AdvancedVideoCodec? Do you mean encoding improvements?! The codec itself is rather standardised and can not be changed much after it has been released. It's like DivX6, which is not changed since DivX5.0.0 (at least in its core). The decoder performance or the encoder however can improve (as with DivX6), that's true...
And what changes of AAC (which is some sound standard, isn't it?) should be there?why should a codec not be improveable?

Ice =A=

16th July 2005, 00:30

For example, because old DivX players shall still play DivX6, and those have a fixed decoding algorithm. Of course, Quicktime has no such hardware players, but they have installed one version of their decoder with every new Mac-OS and not everyone does upgrade that regularly.
(You still can improve the ENcoder of course!)

bond

16th July 2005, 00:41

ok in your first post you meant that its not possible to improve the encoder which is obviously wrong

i am sure if you compare the output of the first divx 5.0 version (or divx 4) with current divx 6 you will see that a big codec improvement took place and still you can decode both streams with any mpeg-4 asp compliant decoder

Ice =A=

16th July 2005, 00:56

i am sure if you compare the output of the first divx 5.0 version (or divx 4) with current divx 6 you will see that a big codec improvement took place and still you can decode both streams with any mpeg-4 asp compliant decoder
I agree about that, it's just that I would call that ENcoder improvements, not codec improovements. :)
Well, I don't want to become too fussy, sorry!

P.S.:
I now have an Athlon X2 4200+ and those 1080p quicktime movies still don't play completely smooth. Almost but not completely.
I don't know if qt7 can use the second core, though...

Ice =A=

16th July 2005, 04:02

By the way, there are two nes 720p trailers available, you can get them on the usual Apple trailer page. Here are the direct links:
http://images.apple.com/movies/us/hd_gallery/gl1800/720p/imax-desolation_m720p.mov
http://images.apple.com/movies/us/hd_gallery/gl1800/720p/the_brothers_grimm_m720p.mov
Have fun!

neo_anderson

16th July 2005, 05:41

what command should i use in run tab in start menu (winxp) to play quicktime 7 hd trailers with mplayer?
i cannot install "Elecard 3.0.1 alpha", the following happens:
Registering Com Servers
Cannot register "C:\Program Files\Common Files\Moonlight\elaudec.ax" and then it performs rollback and exits, can anyone help?

Ice =A=

16th July 2005, 06:51

neo_anderson

16th July 2005, 08:01

You can just drag and drop movie files onto mplayer.exe (in between two explorer windows for example)!
I once had that error, too. Two files in some windows subdirectory were missing, unfortunately I don't remember their names and the forum I got that advice in is down... :(

thks ice dude, mplayer really plays those hd clips well, i wonder why there is no gui for it, also if there is anyone who can help with that elecard alpha player issue, i will be more happy!

lordreign

22nd July 2005, 00:53

Hey Ice man, quick question. Where did u get the links for the movies? I know they are listed on the apple hd page but they are hidden. When u play them in quicktime u can bring up the stream info but u cant read the whole line of the source address.

Cheers.

IgorC

22nd July 2005, 01:05

http://www.highdefforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=15 . Google,baby, just google it

Ice =A=

22nd July 2005, 06:33

Hey Ice man, quick question. Where did u get the links for the movies?
That's a trick I myself was told just recently.
You can look that adress up in the sourcecode of the page. For example with Firefox, right click on the page with the video file and choose "show source code" (or something like that). Search for ".mov" there and you'll find the direct links... :)

Edit:
The forum IgorC posted is indeed a good start for all HDTV-related stuff (like trailers etc.)!

neo75903

22nd July 2005, 09:48

I have not had any success getting any AVC muxes with 6Ch AAC-LC or AAC-HE to play in QT7... Maybe I've got to adjust some player settings...

Anyway I have managed to mux this 1024x576 AVC test sample into .MOV (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/seemoredigital/AVC+AAC_1024x576_in_MOV.html). With a minimum 512K ISP connection it should stream ;)

Cheers

Hi SMD,

link is down, can u put back online? I am trying to get 6ch movie to work, but all my ND encodes dont work in Quicktime (preview 2).
Can u post a short describtion how u made this 6ch mp4 movie?

much appreciated, thx.

SeeMoreDigital

22nd July 2005, 11:00

Hi SMD,

link is down, can u put back online? I am trying to get 6ch movie to work, but all my ND encodes dont work in Quicktime (preview 2).
Can u post a short describtion how u made this 6ch mp4 movie?

much appreciated, thx. It was not an encode with 6Ch AAC audio... it was just 2Ch. Like you I have not had any success at creating encodes with 6Ch AAC that can be played in QT7.

I generated a few Recode2 MPEG-4 SP encodes with 6Ch AAC-LC in .MP4.... The encodes would open in QT7 but nothing can be heard. The audio track information does not even appear under QT7's "Show Movie Info" or "Show Movie Properties"

I also generated a few MPEG-4 SP with 6Ch AAC-LC in .MP4 muxes with YAMB and mp4UI and again there was no audio playback in QT7 :(

The only way I've been able to put 6Ch AAC in .MOV is by opening an RAW .AAC stream in QT7 and then selecting "Save As..." But have no idea how to add the video element at the same time (or afterwards).

Cheers

neo75903

22nd July 2005, 11:23

thx for your quick reply,
i though i was doing something wrong.
Looks like we have to wait for the final release before we can make any conlcusions about Quicktiume multichannel support.

I hope playback performance will get better as well. (less cpu hungry)

Doom9

22nd July 2005, 11:47

neo75903

22nd July 2005, 11:57

at home, my movies are served by rtsp (darwin streaming server), and QT is the only player that works without problems with it.
VideoLan is my second option right now, but VLC does not support seeking while playing from a rtsp stream.

SeeMoreDigital

22nd July 2005, 12:00

I can't quite get that into my head: why on earth would anyone use QT to play AVC (or create for that matter)? What's wrong with mplayer, vlc, mpc, showtime, etc and Recode/x264 for encoding? To the best of my knowledge, all those tools blow QT out of the water, so why bother with an inferior product? The only area where Apple doesn't lack behind is creating 2ch AAC audio.Personally speaking, I'm only using QT7 to test MPEG-4/AVC+AAC in .MOV streaming samples in web pages... and I would not dream of using QT7 as an dedicated player even for .MOV samples.... VLC player, MediaPlayer Classic and even Nero's ShowTime2 player seem to do a much better job ;)

I hope playback performance will get better as well. (less cpu hungry)Agreed.

When you play the same MPEG-4/AVC+AAC in .MOV file in QT7 and then ShowTime2. QT7 runs between 35-45% but ShowTime2 runs between 20-30%.

Cheers

neo75903

22nd July 2005, 12:07

i encoded some 640x480, and it doesnt play "smoothly" on my dual cpu, and yes QT is multithreaded since version 7, but still playbacy is very choppy (on a dual 2000+).
While VLC only uses about 30%.
If that is their x86 code, i am holding my heart when they are porting OSX over to x86 platform.

leowai

22nd July 2005, 13:15

thks ice dude, mplayer really plays those hd clips well, i wonder why there is no gui for it, also if there is anyone who can help with that elecard alpha player issue, i will be more happy!
You may want to try this:
http://oss.netfarm.it/mplayer-win32.php

Download the MPlayer named "mplayer-gui-rtm-cvs-20050709.zip". It's mplayer with GUI.

22nd July 2005, 17:30

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/preview/

Preview version

Yes, it's a preview version. I downloaded it, haven't yet installed it. I wonder if being a preview, whether it has a lot of bugs and such. Anyone know when the full version is coming out? (I understand 7 and 6 cannot run concurrently, one has to uninstall 6 in order to install 7. I have bought a key code for version 6, which won't work in version 7. So I'm a little reluctant to make the change until I know 7 is good.)

Do people feel that the upgrade (of Pro key code) is worth it?

MOCKBA

9th August 2005, 00:45

Did anybody tried QT7 with mp4 ASP streams? I have repackaged some of my avis originally encoded with either XVID or DX50 and I have mixed results. Some mp4 streams QT7 could play without any problems, some it refuse to play period. Some ASPs QT7 plays nice, some are jerky and full of artifacts. Any idea what ASP profiles QT7 supports?

bond

9th August 2005, 10:11

Any idea what ASP profiles QT7 supports?well qt6 didnt support asp at all, only simple profile (so not gmc, qpel, b-frames, cqm...)
when 3ivx is installed you can additionally use b-frames, but thats it

maybe they updated the part2 decoder in qt7? dunno

SeeMoreDigital

9th August 2005, 11:22

No it has not been updated....

I've fed QT7 with XviD, NeroDigital and DivX B-VOP (MPEG-4 ASP) implementations and all you get is a white screen, followed by this: -

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/9551/ndbvoptest7fv.png

Looks good doesn't it?

Cheers

neo_anderson

9th August 2005, 11:56

strange, nero digital avc encodes work without problems in quicktime 7 preview 2 in my pc!

MOCKBA

9th August 2005, 12:46

No it has not been updated....

I've fed QT7 with XviD, NeroDigital and DivX B-VOP implementations and all you get is a white screen, followed by this: -

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/9551/ndbvoptest7fv.png

Looks good doesn't it?

Cheers
So I am not the only one getting "green stuff". Anyone getting jerky playback? Kinda like almost any motion goes back and forth (previous frames being displayed instead of new ones)? Is this because I am encoding with B-frames?

Also, when I am playing back in xine I am getting "vop not codded" message on every frame, but my ASP playing fine (I figure xine use ffmpeg underneath). So could that be a problem?

SeeMoreDigital

9th August 2005, 13:09

So I am not the only one getting "green stuff". Anyone getting jerky playback? Kinda like almost any motion goes back and forth (previous frames being displayed instead of new ones)? Is this because I am encoding with B-frames? When playing what... MPEG-4 ASP or AVC?

I have noticed NeroDigital AVC encodes stuttering in QT7, with or without B-frames :eek:

Cheers

MOCKBA

9th August 2005, 13:26

When playing what... MPEG-4 ASP or AVC?

ASP, but I also had couple AVC (encoded with x264) shutter, but not sure what was the reason, b-frames?

SeeMoreDigital

9th August 2005, 17:17

ASP, but I also had couple AVC (encoded with x264) shutter, but not sure what was the reason, b-frames?As Bond already mentioned, QT6 does not (natively) support any MPEG-4 ASP implementation... and as I have confirmed, neither does QT7.

Unfortunately, just because QT7 is able to support B-VOP in MPEG-4 AVC, it does not mean it will be able to do the same for MPEG-4 ASP!

Cheers

rotflol

10th August 2005, 01:26

Hi,

I downloaded the Brothers Grimm trailer and tried to watch it, but I don't get any sound in mplayer or Media Player Classic (with Hali splitter and ffdshow). I don't feel like installing QT7 just yet. Does anyone have an idea what is wrong?

Peter1234

13th August 2005, 07:56

Install quicktimealt160b2.exe then it should play in Media Player Classic

SeeMoreDigital

13th August 2005, 08:16

Install quicktimealt160b2.exe then it should play in Media Player ClassicIf you already have a legitimate version of QuickTime Player 6 (or above) installed - Do not install QuickTime Alternative... As running both will do more harm than good.

EDIT: I would not panic too much about the high-def QT7 trailers... As I think they are slightly borked :eek:

I can only get any of the QT7 trailers to play in QT7, they stall/crash VLC player and ShowTime2 player.

I've tried using QT7 Pro to de-mux the streams into MP4 - Same problem... they would not play. I even tried de-muxing and re-muxing the streams with YAMB - And this did not work either....

Cheers

clsid

13th August 2005, 15:38

SeeMoreDigital

13th August 2005, 16:42

I can play the QT7 trailers with Haali's splitter, ffdshow and MPC. I rename to .mp4 so that MPC will use DirectShow instead of QT. Playback is also much much smoother. QT itself makes everything look like a slideshow.

The Brothers Grimm trailer indeed plays without sound (except when using QuickTime or QT alt). But all other trailers play with sound.Just tried the FFdshow H.264 DSdec filter myself and yes, it works a lot better!

For me The Brothers Grimm trailer works fine in MPC, even without Haali's splitter or having to re-name the file extension. But like you I get no audio.... I think this is because it's 6Ch AAC and not 2Ch AAC.

I've also been unable to configure QT7 Pro to de-mux the 6Ch AAC audio stream out of the .MOV container... bummer!

Cheers

neo_anderson

14th August 2005, 11:53

Quicktime7 Public Preview 3 has been released for Windows!

neo75903

16th August 2005, 21:42

thx for the notice :)

neo75903

20th August 2005, 21:19

tried preview 3,
only difference is the increased filesize ....

SeeMoreDigital

20th August 2005, 23:52

There are a few refinements too!

There's better support for certain types of A/V streams within the AVI container - but sadly not MPEG-4 within AVI.

Entering MetaData to existing .MP4 and .MOV files/streams, seems a little better/more stable.... but not totally stable!

It's still not possible to de-mux 6Ch AAC audio out of the .MOV container to .MP4, or mux/play 6Ch AAC AAC audio streams in .MP4.... And 6Ch AAC to 6Ch WAV (PCM) is still incorrectly mapped.

I guess there must be other issues too... but this is all I tested... so far!

I wonder if the Apple QT development guys read Doom9?

Cheers

neo75903

20th August 2005, 23:57

loolz
I dont think they do, would be to discouraging for them :D
But really wished they do read this forum.

I just hope there are more previews to come, preview 3 is waaaay not finished.

calinb

21st August 2005, 01:39

I can only get any of the QT7 trailers to play in QT7, they stall/crash VLC player and ShowTime2 player.

I've tried using QT7 Pro to de-mux the streams into MP4 - Same problem... they would not play. I even tried de-muxing and re-muxing the streams with YAMB - And this did not work either....
Cheers
After installing QT7, I remuxed the trailers to mkv with mkvmerge/mmg. This worked for me! :)

SeeMoreDigital

21st August 2005, 07:15

After installing QT7, I remuxed the trailers to mkv with mkvmerge/mmg. This worked for me! :)What DSdec video filter are you using for playback?

As clsid mentioned, FFdshow's H.264 filter copes with Apple's high-def AVC trailers too ;)

But I still reckon there's something not quite right with the trailers, because Nero's filters would don't like them at all.... even after they've been de-muxed from .MOV and re-muxed into .MP4

Cheers

neo_anderson

21st August 2005, 08:58

with preview 3, those high-def. h.264 trailers run more smoothly on my pc! also, a small bug in which while the video played, the seekbar did not move, has also been fixed,amongst other fixes/tweaks, and this version is overall much better!

calinb

23rd August 2005, 05:29

What DSdec video filter are you using for playback?
CheersI'm using the Haali splitter and ffdshow.

sugala

23rd August 2005, 07:04

Are your machines fast enough to play the Cilp offered by apple.com?

calinb

25th August 2005, 08:20

Are your machines fast enough to play the Cilp offered by apple.com?The 720p clips play fine on my 2.2GHz / 512M L2 / 400 MHz FSB Barton. Actually, they aren't terrible on my 1.42GHz Mac mini and, strangely, they play better than the equivalent res in mpeg2 on the mini. The Barton drops some frames on the 1080p clips, which are a complete mess on the mini, of course.

The Apple Quicktime HD Gallery says the 1080p clips require at least a dual 2GHz PowerMac G5. I'm not sure where they get off saying the 720p clips require a dual 2.8GHz Xeon system. Must have been pre-x86 / pro PPC marketing hype. I've heard the Apple Macintel development systems can play the 1080p clips. :sly:

SeeMoreDigital

25th August 2005, 09:05

Are your machines fast enough to play the Cilp offered by apple.com?Yes.... But not using Apple's QT7 player!

Airw0lf

3rd September 2005, 11:43

Yes.... But not using Apple's QT7 player!

Even the 1080p clips? I find that ffdshow using the Haali splitter can't do much better than the latest quicktime alternative (QT7 Preview 3 version).

SeeMoreDigital

3rd September 2005, 11:50

Even the 1080p clips? I find that ffdshow using the Haali splitter can't do much better than the latest quicktime alternative (QT7 Preview 3 version).You need a pretty powerful PC to play 1080p content.... I can only just do it with mine!

Cheers