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I don't think it's possible currently.
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Anyway, since the combined AVC+MVC stream is only supported by stereoscopic player so far (or by complex combinations of filters), I think that all that techniques are very limited, and will probably be usable only with some very rare software players at best. I don't think they are really interesting, except perhaps for backup purposes. Quote:
Currently, the only widely supported 3D formats in full resolution are Full-SBS, Full-T&B and Frame Alternate. They require to re-encode the video, but at least, you can play them almost everywhere (if your hardware supports the required level). It's why BD3D2MK3D can produce them. I don't think it is a good idea to try other formats requiring to re-encode the video. The quality is not better, and the compatibility is and will probably always be terrible.
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As far as I understand the Blu-ray standard accepts both the the ssif structure (base AVC and dependent MVC in 2 separate .m2ts files) and the interleaved format (base AVC and dependent MVC in the same .m2ts file combined/interleaved). This means that any player which claims to be Blu-ray compliant must accept both formats.
(MKV is a different story however as you mention). |
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Mastroska supports TrackOperation to combine AVC and MVC track : https://www.matroska.org/technical/s...TrackOperation
But I don't know how to use it. I think it's used by MakeMKV in order to create MK3D but perhaps I'm wrong. |
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I see, thanks. Obviously mkvmerge does not yet support the muxing of base (AVC) and dependent (MVC) streams. The matroska page also says:
The 3D support is still in infancy and may evolve to support more features. So we need to be a bit patient, I think ..... Edit: You could use DGMVCCombine.exe to create a single interleaved (frame alternate) stream of an AVC and dependent MVC source, then mux to mkv with mkvmerge with the stereoscopic flag set accordingly. It plays 3D in bino player, but not in stereoscopic player ...... ![]() Last edited by Sharc; 14th May 2016 at 14:43. |
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I've tried many files and only Half-SBS / Half-TB are well supported by my TV and my RPi. AVC/MVC combined in a M2TS is supported by my TV without problem.
3D from MakeMKV files are not supported by my TV and my RPi, the movie is displayed only in 2D. Same issue for DGMVCCombine into MKV container... |
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It's very good possible this question has been asked before, but I don't feel like reading 50 pages right now
![]() Many 3D-movies don't have any 3D-plane, so the subtitles are 'flat'. In those cases I give them a fixed depth of 8. Of course I only find out about not having any planes after ripping de BD, so I have to create those 3D-subtitles afterwards. Unfortunately all versions after 0.71 lack the option to convert subtitles to a fixed depth, so I must use that older version. Is there a particular reason for not supporting this option anymore? Last edited by sambal; 15th May 2016 at 21:53. |
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You can convert the subtitles to 3D with a fixed depth with the current version. Just leave the 3D-Plane field empty, and fill your desired depth (8 in your case) in the "Additional depth" field. You'll get a warning about the flat subtitles. Just accept it.
(You can also leave the 3D-Plane field blank to use the depth tags already present in the input XML, if the XML has already been created with BD3D2MK3D and a 3D-Plane. That allows you to manually edit some depth values if you wish. Note that the Additional depth is never stored in the XML. It is taken into account only when the conversion occurs.) I have removed the old "fixed depth" conversion because it used obsolete tools, and since it is possible to do the same thing with the new conversion function, it was useless. Its only advantage was the possibility to process several subtitle files in batch. But is it really necessary? [EDIT] I have slightly modified the labels and help dialogs of the subtitle conversion tool to make it more obvious that the tool can be used without 3D-Plane to convert subtitles to fixed depth 3D.
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Notice how mkvmerge handles audio: DTS-HD MA is muxed as a single track because it is made of extensions building on a core. Like MVC view relying on a base view. |
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I've looked at MakeMKV source code and if I'm right it uses KaxVideoStereoMode to mux stream. KaxVideoStereoMode is a part of libmatroska and again if I'm right it's based on TrackOperation. This is why it was my conclusion about MakeMKV but perhaps I'm wrong, I don't know this specification
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I could also re-encode 3D sources into new 3D using x264 with --frame-packing 5 (1-pass crf), and muxing the encoded .264 with tsMuxer or mkvmerge. 3D playback however works only with Bino, in my case. Stereoscopic Player swapped the views regularly about every half second . ![]() (I tested video only, without audio or subs). Last edited by Sharc; 25th May 2016 at 10:06. |
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I had been using 0.85 and just updated to 0.89, I just noticed (I'm using x265) that on the y4m [info] line it says
1920x2160 fps 24000/1001 i420p8 sar 1:1 when in my old version it has sar 2:1 - will this matter, my previous files which I play on my LG 4K were stretched across the full width and then I used the 3D button to set it to top and bottom and it looks perfect. Also, I have been replacing the x265_x64 executable with one that has 10 bit support, which gives a better output (reducing banding significantly), maybe you could either bundle a exe with 8/10/12 bit support and make it selectable in h265 options? Last edited by Sxc; 28th May 2016 at 14:02. |
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Welcome to the Doom9 forums, Sxc!
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Do you have a problem with the new setting? AFAIK, as soon as you switch to 3D mode (or the TV switches automatically to 3D mode), the SAR should be ignored and the aspect ratio should be correct. At least, it's what happens with my Samsung TV. If your TV does not display the movie correctly, try to change Settings -> Full-SBS/T&B aspect ratio. And if that doesn't work, you can edit the __ENCODE_3D.cmd script and change the --sar option manually. I will consider that suggestion. But take in mind that the 10 or 12 color bit modes are not compatible with many hardware players and/or graphic cards. But I agree that reducing the banding artefacts is a good thing if it works for you. Banding remains certainly the most noticeable problem of the videos encoded in h264 or h265.
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Will the demise of Slysoft impact your app?
r0lZ,
Haven't been in here for a while now, so hi again to everybody. Just a brief question: will the demise of slysoft have any impact on your app? I mean, support for new BR-discs will now obviously stop (there goes my life long subscription ![]() Just a question inspired by concern for future use of this fantastic app of yours. |
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Well, afaik, AnyDVD HD is not dead. It should be continued by RedFox. (See this.) Anyway, there are other ways to remove the protection from the original BD. You can now open MVC-MKV files created with MakeMKV (currently with some limitations, but the next version of MakeMKV should be better). And there are other BD decrypters around.
The philosophy of BD3D2MK3D is to re-encode the two views as SBS, T&B or Frame-Sequential. I don't think that adding the re-encoding in AVC+MVC is a job for BD3D2MK3D. And MakeMKV does already lossless AVC+MVC MKVs with the original BD files (without re-encoding). Doing the same thing with BD3D2MK3D will be more time consuming, because MkvMerge cannot accept MVC tracks. I will have to combine the MVC with the AVC track first, and that takes a long time and much disc space. However, I have considered to implement lossless remux of AVC+MVC to M2TS. tsMuxeR can mux the AVC and MVC tracks separately to M2TS. There are some limitations (no chapters and no metadata for example), but it's not fundamental. I'm still not sure I'll implement that, because I don't think that many peoples are interested in simply remuxing the original streams to create a huge M2TS file. Also, you can already do it with the tsMuxeR GUI. But I may do it when I'll have some free time, simply because it's easy. All I have to do is generate a cmd file and a meta file for tsMuxeR. Anyway, BD3D2MK3D will never implement the decrypting operation itself, so merging the AVC+MVC tracks to MKV or M2TS will never be a solution to replace AnyDVD HD.
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It should play fine. AFAIK, the SAR is almost always ignored for half SBS or T&B 3D, and when it is not ignored, 1:1 is correct 90% of the times.
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Perhaps it is possible to use various alternative filters within avisynth to output 10 or 12-bit, but honestly, I don't know how, I'm not sure they will be compatible with the filters BD3D2MK3D requires, and again, given the fact that the input BD is encoded in 8-bit (TV range), I don't think that the gain will be major. Note also that most monitors and TVs are 8-bit only, and therefore you can only expect a more or less well dithered 8bit color depth in final, even if the whole processing and encoding processes are made correctly in 10 or 12-bits. So, unless somebody can explain what I'll have to do to effectively support 10 or 12-bit color depth during the whole process and can show me clearly that there is a big advantage, I will not do it. Sorry. Anyway, if you really want to encode in 10 or 12-bit, you can replace the x264/x265 exe with the 10/12-bit version, as you know. You can even create several small cmd files to restore the 8-bit version or overwrite it with another version, and call the right batch when necessary, before launching the encoding.
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