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Mpeg-4 mvc (aka 3D) inside MKV
Suppose I mux a Mpeg-4 mvc stream in an MKV file. Will it play (in 3D) on:
1) PowerDVD, ArcSoft TMT, WinDVD? 2) Standalone MKV (DivxHD) players that also have Bluray 3D support? It's strange that no software maker or hardware manufacturer offers official support for mpeg-4 mvc inside mkv, considering how easy it should be for players that already have Bluray 3D support. Anyway, can any of the above players "accidentaly" play a mpeg-4 mvc stream inside a MKV, thinking they are playing the stream from a bluray? Has anyone tried it? (there is no need to re-encode anything, just lift the mpeg 4 mvc stream from the m2ts file and mux it inside an mkv) PS: I solely blame VLC/MPC-HC/Mplayer and the x264 team for the total lack of mpeg-4 mvc support for MKV, because they could have set the example for software makers like Cyberlink and hardware manufacturers, as they often do when it comes to open formats. Last edited by kurkosdr; 2nd December 2010 at 17:38. |
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The reason 3D isn't implemented in any major media players is because nobody cares about 3D except television manufacturers. Also because there's no standardized method of outputting 3D video. There's about 6 different methods out there, at least, all of them mutually contradictory; just see Youtube's "3D player" for an example of the madness.
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They said the same about 1080p videos. "720p is fine", "upscalers will make DVDs look as good as 1080p", "most monitors are 768p so no one really cares" etc but when panel prices dropped, 1080p videos where suddenly everywhere, and VLC started to feel old. Videolan had to rush to get DXVA and multicore support for VLC. Quote:
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Just out of curiosity I would like to ask a general question about the mvc compression format. Does mvc allow to encode 3D content in a way that there are three "angles" encoded into one mvc stream, that's the 2D perspective, the difference from 2D to the left eye perspective and the difference from 2D to the right eye perspektive ?
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Kurkosdr:
Please watch your tone. Blaming anyone for the lack of a feature is never a productive thing to do. If you care enough, start coding or hire someone to do it for you.
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Although I agree with you with your 1080p example. At first it was "nobody needs 1080p!", but suddenly the refuseniks shut their mouths when 1080p displays became affordable! |
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3D TV/movies are an incredibly silly gimmick that is being hyped and marketed to all hell because after the TV manufacturers managed to sell everyone flat and/or HD TV sets they needed yet another new gimmick that will require people to throw out their not very old, perfectly working equipment and buy new, slightly different equipment for twice the price instead.
Hollywood is in on it too because it's certainly easier to invent silly gimmicks that sell than it is to actually make good movies. If you know your history you'll know they already tried this once 30 years ago or so, and it failed because it was such a silly gimmick. It's still a silly gimmick now, they've just gotten better at marketing. |
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DS & TheFluff - I couldn't express better my feelings about 3D movies than you wrote it!
![]() I used to love going to cinema in the past -> now almost every title I'm interested in is being presented only in 3D there. WTF?! I don't want to pay higher price just for that crap! I'm perfectly fine with lower priced conventional 2D version! Hopefully I'll be able to build a comfy home-cinema system in my living room one day to get big picture and rich sound and won't be forced to watch anything in 3D anymore. Everyone has dreams...but they don't have to be 3D necessarily. ![]() |
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I believe frame alteration works like this:
View A = left eye View B = right eye ABABABABABABABAB etc... So, in avisynth Code:
lefteye=ffvideosource(...foo.avi) righteye=ffvideosource(...bar.avi) interleave(lefteye,righteye)
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Hasn't MKV itself had some options for stereoscopy for quite a while, though? In the "Format specific options"-tab of mkvmerge GUI, there's a "Stereoscopy"-dropdown box with some options, but I don't think I've seen anything that would support that. But then again, I don't have any kind of 3D gear.
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Hard to understand why coders are so conservative, really?
Guys new system is completely different than 30 year old 3D stuff. You don't need to have an expensive 3D TV. When you have a look at new generation 3D, you need larger and larger screens. And for 400-500 bucks you may get a DLP 3D Ready PJ + a pair of DLP Link glasses (100 bucks). You will get frame sequential 3D. (720p 120) Have fun. (ı've never had any headache btw ![]() Last edited by rica; 18th December 2010 at 01:13. |
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I really dislike this whole 3D-hate all over the world, all that talk about "dorky glasses".
About five-six years ago, when a friend of mine showed me what Stereo-3D gaming is, I was blown away by the depth of the effect. And then again, I decided to wait for better display technologies, like high-quality ones without glasses (what most people are doing today - waiting for such better tech), it was shutter glasses + CRT monitor back then, but time passed and nothing happened and by the looks of it, such tech was very far off in the future (and it still is), so two years ago I also started playing all games in S3D, at first with anaglyph glasses and soon after that I got the same cheap combo as my friend, and since than I'm only gaming in S3D and I'm never going back to regular 3D (mono). It's just different experience, it's like you've been blind with one eye up to that point. And I don't care how I look wearing the glasses (and my huge headphones for that matter) when gaming/watching, I'm not on a fashion show or something... The thing about 3D movies is that when it's done right, it's great. But most of the movies these days are either 2D->3D converts, or shot by people which doesn't know what they're doing (with very few exceptions, of course), or simply animated movies ![]() ![]() Quote:
So I hope all things related to MVC, stereo-format flags with different containers and so on (aside from the BluRay world) will be settled soon and encoder/decoder and player developers can concentrate on implementing support for them (if they wished to). Last edited by Zerofool; 17th December 2010 at 19:58. |
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