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Old 29th October 2023, 23:43   #1  |  Link
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Just the main movie untouched (no re encoding)

Hi, if possible I'd like to just have the main movie untouched with untouched audio. Can BDrebuilder do this or do i have to encode? Any help would be appreciated
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Old 30th October 2023, 18:01   #2  |  Link
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That should be fairly straightforward.

Go into settings -> setup and set a "Custom Target Size" of 99999 or any value larger than the bluray size, 99999 MB is generally enough. Then tick "Do not convert DTS" and "Do no reencode AC3" - not sure if this is required but no harm if done. Other settings you may wish to set are language/subtitle inclusion.

Choose settings -> "Output Options" -> custom target size

Then do a movie only backup with or without menus as you wish. That should run as quickly as your pc drives will permit with no re-encoding of video or audio.

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Old 30th October 2023, 21:31   #3  |  Link
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And if there is LPCM audio involved you need to check "Keep HD audio for BD25 / Alternate intact".
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Old 31st October 2023, 02:12   #4  |  Link
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You can use FORCE_NOENCODE=1 in the configuration file so the video doesn't get encoded, no need for custom sizes

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It's been a few years now since I've use BD Rebuilder, BD Clown or multiAVCHD to re-author a movie only version of a given Blu-ray. Well, the exception would be if I only want to include certain audio and subtitle tracks and that's only if the given movie would then fit on a BD25 versus a BD50. Short of that I just use BDedit. Once backing up the given Blu-ray to my hard drive it literally takes 30-60 seconds and I'm done. Once backing up a Blu-ray I open the Blu-ray in BDedit and determine the Playlist in question that's used for the feature presentation. I then move the Playlist (MPLS) and PlayItems (M2TS/CLPI) the Playlist references over to a Blu-ray folder I created which consists of the Blu-ray folder structure and BDMV files (index.bdmv, MovieObject.bdmv) only. All the Blu-ray does is look for and play the Playlist, "00000.mpls". Accessing the Top Menu during playback starts the Playlist over again. By default the feature presentation plays on a loop. Once moving the "MPLS/M2TS/CLPI" files for the feature presentation over to my movie only Blu-ray folder I rename the MPLS file to "00000.mpls" and I'm done. Alternatively I could retain the original name of the MPLS file and change the value referenced by the "Play PL" navigation command within the MovieObject in question instead.
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Old 31st October 2023, 17:15   #6  |  Link
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It's been a few years now since I've use BD Rebuilder, BD Clown or multiAVCHD to re-author a movie only version of a given Blu-ray. Well, the exception would be if I only want to include certain audio and subtitle tracks and that's only if the given movie would then fit on a BD25 versus a BD50. Short of that I just use BDedit. Once backing up the given Blu-ray to my hard drive it literally takes 30-60 seconds and I'm done. Once backing up a Blu-ray I open the Blu-ray in BDedit and determine the Playlist in question that's used for the feature presentation. I then move the Playlist (MPLS) and PlayItems (M2TS/CLPI) the Playlist references over to a Blu-ray folder I created which consists of the Blu-ray folder structure and BDMV files (index.bdmv, MovieObject.bdmv) only. All the Blu-ray does is look for and play the Playlist, "00000.mpls". Accessing the Top Menu during playback starts the Playlist over again. By default the feature presentation plays on a loop. Once moving the "MPLS/M2TS/CLPI" files for the feature presentation over to my movie only Blu-ray folder I rename the MPLS file to "00000.mpls" and I'm done. Alternatively I could retain the original name of the MPLS file and change the value referenced by the "Play PL" navigation command within the MovieObject in question instead.
So basically I just use bdedit to pick the correct playlist and then create another blu-ray folder structure copying across the mpls,m2ts clpi files. If I wanted to keep a couple of playlists like extras too would I copy both over or would I be limited to one mpls?
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You can use MakeMKV to remux the movie to an MKV container
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You can use MakeMKV to remux the movie to an MKV container
I actually like MakeMKV but chapters are off most of the time. I would skip to next chapter and would have a sec of previous scene for some odd reason.
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Yea, I don't know about chapters. I use MakeMKV to remux the movie and then I encode it with FFmpeg. Most of the times, it retains the chapters as I can see that when FFmpeg copies them during encoding.
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So basically I just use bdedit to pick the correct playlist and then create another blu-ray folder structure copying across the mpls,m2ts clpi files. If I wanted to keep a couple of playlists like extras too would I copy both over or would I be limited to one mpls?
You got it. And yes, you can carry over additional playlists as well. Just keep in mind, when doing so you need to update your "index.bdmv" and "MovieObject.bdmv" files from the BDMV tab in BDedit, so that the additional playlists are accounted for, i.e. can be played/accessed.

Below is a copy of the Blu-ray folder I use when creating a movie only version of a given Blu-ray.

Feature Presentation (Blu-ray folder structure only.)

The structure of the BDMV files is very simple. "First playback" is assigned, MovieObject "0" which executes a single navigation command, "Jump Title 0".

The Top Menu is always Title 0. In this case the "Top Menu (0)" is assigned, MovieObject "1" which executes a single navigation command, "Jump Title 1".

Title 1 is used for the Feature Presentation and is assigned, MovieObject "2" which executes the navigation commands, "Play PL 0" (Line 0), then "Goto 0" (Line 1), i.e. "00000.mpls" plays on an endless loop. (Invoking the TOP MENU function during playback results in the feature presentation starting over from the beginning.)

Accounting for additional playlists could be handled in several ways. Let's say you wanted to carry over 3 additional playlists which you named, "00001.mpls" through "00003.mpls". Below are a few examples of how this could be implemented.
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1. Add extras to the same title.

Title 1 (MovieObject 2)
Line 0 | Play PL 0 (Feature Presentation)
Line 1 | Play PL 1 (Extra #1)
Line 2 | Play PL 2 (Extra #2)
Line 3 | Play PL 3 (Extra #3)
Line 4 | GoTo 0
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2. Group extras under a separate title.

Title 1 (MovieObject 2)
Line 0 | Play PL 0 (Feature Presentation)
Line 1 | Jump Title 2

Title 2 (MovieObject 3)
Line 0 | Play PL 1 (Extra #1)
Line 1 | Play PL 2 (Extra #2)
Line 2 | Play PL 3 (Extra #3)
Line 3 | Jump Title 0
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3. Group each extra under its own title.

Title 1 (MovieObject 2)
Line 0 | Play PL 0 (Feature Presentation)
Line 1 | Jump Title 2

Title 2 (MovieObject 3)
Line 0 | Play PL 1 (Extra #1)
Line 1 | Jump Title 3

Title 3 (MovieObject 4)
Line 0 | Play PL 2 (Extra #2)
Line 1 | Jump Title 4

Title 4 (MovieObject 5)
Line 0 | Play PL 3 (Extra #3)
Line 1 | Jump Title 0
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You could include an actual TOP MENU and/or POPUP MENU of course. Short of that the last example shown above would be best choice as it provides direct access to each playlist by selecting the given title with your Blu-ray player remote.

And here's one more example for you, a case where the movie includes a dedicated forced subtitle track. In this case it's the second subtitle track. The below navigation commands enable the second subtitle track by default, then play the feature presentation. When the feature presentation ends a check is done to see if subtitles are turned on or not. No action is taken if subtitles are turned on as any subtitle selected would include the forced subs. If subtitles are turned off the force subtitle track is once again enabled, the feature presentation then being played again.

Title 1 (MovieObject 2)
Line 0 | SetStream (0), 2, (0), (0)
Line 1 | Play PL 0
Line 2 | EQ PSR2, 268369921
Line 3 | SetStream (0), 2, (0), (0)
Line 4 | GoTo 1

The check I perform above after the feature presentation finishes playing is especially helpful when authoring TV series content to Blu-ray. I will quite often have multiple episodes which include a dedicated forced subtitle track. When this is the case I include Lines 2-3 above prior to playing an episode which has forced subs. This ensures my current subtitle selection is retained if subtitles are on, the dedicated forced subtitle track only being enabled if subtitles happen to be off, i.e. I turned subtitles off by accident at some point.

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