Any free MVC encoder yet?

[mariner]

Originally Posted by nm

No. You can go up to lossless (CRF 0) if necessary. But CRF 18 is already visually transparent in most cases, and realtime decoding will get increasingly difficult when you raise the bitrate. Or is that not a concern for you?



You mean level, not profile. Higher levels allow higher bitrates and more reference frames at high resolutions. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC#Levels

You're right. crf 0 is unplayable on my Q8400.

Would you know where I could find out more about the --frame-packing option?

Many thanks.

[nm]

Originally Posted by mariner

Would you know where I could find out more about the --frame-packing option?

In the command-line help (x264 --fullhelp), in the source code, and by asking here. What do you want to know?

[rica]

mariner, give it a go with MeGui 0.3.5.0: just select x264 BluRay preset and select film, it's gonna give you this:

program --tune film --crf 20 --level 4.1 --bframes 3 --ref 4 --slices 4 --aud --nal-hrd vbr --b-pyramid strict --keyint 24 --min-keyint 2 --vbv-bufsize 30000 --vbv-maxrate 40000 --weightp 0 --colorprim "bt709" 
--transfer "bt709" --colormatrix "bt709" --output "output" "input"

Originally Posted by mariner

Would you know where I could find out more about the --frame-packing option?

What do you mean with frame packing?

If you mean real frame packing 1080+45+1080, you will need a MVC encoder.

[mariner]

Greetings rica. Thanks for the reply.

Originally Posted by rica

mariner, give it a go with MeGui 0.3.5.0: just select x264 BluRay preset and select film, it's gonna give you this:

program --tune film --crf 20 --level 4.1 --bframes 3 --ref 4 --slices 4 --aud --nal-hrd vbr --b-pyramid strict --keyint 24 --min-keyint 2 --vbv-bufsize 30000 --vbv-maxrate 40000 --weightp 0 --colorprim "bt709" 
--transfer "bt709" --colormatrix "bt709" --output "output" "input"

No need for --frame-packing 3 ?

Originally Posted by rica

What do you mean with frame packing?

If you mean real frame packing 1080+45+1080, you will need a MVC encoder.

The setting I used was

x264 --frame-packing 3 -o 700.mkv 3d700.avs

I would like to know what --frame-packing 3 does and what other numbers apart from 3 it can take.

Best regards

[rica]

Originally Posted by mariner

I would like to know what --frame-packing 3 does and what other numbers apart from 3 it can take.

Me too.
What is "frame packing 3"?
I don't know what it is and what it's for?

[rica]

Hold on.
I wanna share my trial results not now but tomorrow.
What i need now is just to go to sleep._00.4 AM here btw

[mariner]

Originally Posted by rica

What i need now is just to go to sleep._00.4 AM here btw

Oh dear!

Let's wait for nm or sneaker_ger to give some guidance.

[nm]

Originally Posted by rica

mariner, give it a go with MeGui 0.3.5.0: just select x264 BluRay preset

Blu-ray presets are not suitable for Mariner's work. He's encoding 3840x1080 video at 60 fps and very high bitrates, so overall that goes way over Blu-ray limits.

Originally Posted by rica

What do you mean with frame packing?

That's what this thread has been about since post #7. A bit off topic, yes, since this isn't MVC. Maybe a mod would like to split the discussion?

Originally Posted by mariner

I would like to know what --frame-packing 3 does and what other numbers apart from 3 it can take.

As I said, see x264 --fullhelp:

      --frame-packing <integer> For stereoscopic videos define frame arrangement
                                  - 0: checkerboard - pixels are alternatively from L and R
                                  - 1: column alternation - L and R are interlaced by column
                                  - 2: row alternation - L and R are interlaced by row
                                  - 3: side by side - L is on the left, R on the right
                                  - 4: top bottom - L is on top, R on bottom
                                  - 5: frame alternation - one view per frame

[mariner]

Originally Posted by nm

As I said, see x264 --fullhelp:

      --frame-packing <integer> For stereoscopic videos define frame arrangement
                                  - 0: checkerboard - pixels are alternatively from L and R
                                  - 1: column alternation - L and R are interlaced by column
                                  - 2: row alternation - L and R are interlaced by row
                                  - 3: side by side - L is on the left, R on the right
                                  - 4: top bottom - L is on top, R on bottom
                                  - 5: frame alternation - one view per frame

Many thanks, nm. Couldn't find anything typing x264 --help. My bad.

By the way, I encoded a 1920x2160 top/bottom using --frame-packing 3 by mistake. Seems to work fine though. Any reason?

[rica]

Why 60 fps?

Here is what i get with MeGui preset:

Left-Right:




Top-Bottom:




I used Adam Stanislav's tool:

http://www.pantarheon.org/AviSynth3DToolbox/



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[nm]

Originally Posted by mariner

By the way, I encoded a 1920x2160 top/bottom using --frame-packing 3 by mistake. Seems to work fine though. Any reason?

Maybe your decoder or player ignores the --frame-packing SEI and uses some frame size heuristics. Which decoder and player are you using?

Originally Posted by rica

Why 60 fps?

Why not if that's what he has?

Btw, do you have some specific hardware player that supports side-by-side 3D with frame sizes above 1920x1080, or why are you using Blu-ray presets for the encodes? I don't think they'll be 3D Blu-ray compatible, afterall, or have you read the specs?

[mariner]

Originally Posted by nm

Maybe your decoder or player ignores the --frame-packing SEI and uses some frame size heuristics. Which decoder and player are you using?

MPC with CoreAVC/DiVAC.

Name: 700_v17.mkv
Size: 112.13MB
Description: 1920x2160/60p 3D Top/Bottom
http://www.sendspace.com/file/x0fr5l

This is the file properties:

General
Complete name                    : D:\3D\700_v17.mkv
Format                           : Matroska
File size                        : 112 MiB
Duration                         : 13s 981ms
Overall bit rate                 : 67.3 Mbps
Writing application              : x264 r1834 a51816a
Writing library                  : Haali Matroska Writer b0

Video
ID                               : 1
Format                           : AVC
Format/Info                      : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                   : High@L5.1
Format settings, CABAC           : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames        : 4 frames
Codec ID                         : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration                         : 13s 981ms
Bit rate                         : 65.9 Mbps
Width                            : 1 920 pixels
Height                           : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio             : 0.889
Frame rate                       : 59.940 fps
Color space                      : YUV
Chroma subsampling               : 4:2:0
Bit depth                        : 8 bits
Scan type                        : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.265
Stream size                      : 110 MiB (98%)
Writing library                  : x264 core 112 r1834 a51816a
Encoding settings                : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:-1:-1 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.15 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-3 / threads=6 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=17.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Language                         : English

[nm]

Originally Posted by mariner

MPC with CoreAVC/DiVAC.

They certainly won't use the frame packing SEI for anything. How are you then displaying the video in stereo?

[mariner]

Originally Posted by nm

They certainly won't use the frame packing SEI for anything. How are you then displaying the video in stereo?

Using polarised dual-projector setup championed by BlackShark.

[nm]

Originally Posted by mariner

Using polarised dual-projector setup championed by BlackShark.

So how do you get the frames to right screens? Does that somehow happen automagically for both side-by-side and top-bottom videos when you play them in MPC?

[rica]

Originally Posted by nm

Btw, do you have some specific hardware player that supports side-by-side 3D with frame sizes above 1920x1080, or why are you using Blu-ray presets for the encodes? They won't really be Blu-ray compatible, afterall.

I know none of them is BD compatible; some trials for archiving purposes.

I can watch them in 3D mode with -only TMT5 over my nVidia 430 and Acer 5360 PJ.

But i can get 1920*1080 3D files as well: (Both TMT 5 and PDVD 10 plays them flawlessly in 3D mode:

LEFT-RIGHT:

LoadPlugin("C:\DG\DGDecodeNV.dll")

lv = DGSource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\left.dgi")

rv = DGSource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\right_new.dgi")

LeftRight3DReduced(lv, rv)

ConvertToYV12()

or without DGNV Tools:

lv = FFVideoSource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\left.m2ts")

rv = FFVideoSource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\right_new.m2ts")

LeftRight3DReduced(lv, rv)

ConvertToYV12()

or:

lv = directshowsource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\left.m2ts")

rv = directshowsource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\right_new.m2ts")

LeftRight3DReduced(lv, rv)

ConvertToYV12()

TOP-BOTTOM:

LoadPlugin("C:\DG\DGDecodeNV.dll")

lv = DGSource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\left.dgi")

rv = DGSource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\right_new.dgi")

TopDown3DReduced(lv, rv)

ConvertToYV12()

[nm]

Originally Posted by rica

But i can get BD compatible files as well: (Both TMT 5 and PDVD 10 plays them flawlessly in 3D mode

Nice. So they support the SEI signaling or how do you specify which format is used?

[mariner]

Originally Posted by nm

So how do you get the frames to right screens? Does that somehow happen automagically for both side-by-side and top-bottom videos when you play them in MPC?

It's actually quite crude and simple: create a 1920x2160 desktop using say ATI's Eyefinity software with two 1920x1080 projectors hooked up. Each projector will display the top or bottom half of the video.

[rica]

Originally Posted by nm

Nice. So they support the SEI signaling or how do you specify which format is used?

I encoded them into mkv container and i have to select "left-right" or "top-bottom" on player's 3D Settings window before playing.

[nm]

Originally Posted by mariner

It's actually quite crude and simple: create a 1920x2160 desktop using say ATI's Eyefinity software with two 1920x1080 projectors hooked up. Each projector will display the top or bottom half of the video.

Yep, that's what I thought. So you'll need to manually switch the desktop layout if you have videos with different frame packing formats.