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janos666 · 25th November 2023, 18:08

Is there a command line override flag (or other means) to force madTPG to output incoming R,G,B triplets at HDR scale in HDR mode?
Out of curiosity, I am trying to calibrate/profile my LG C9 with DisplayCAL. I have ColourSpace and CalMAN licenses as well and at least ColourSpace can configure madTPG to output HDR range (I haven't tried this with CalMAN but I don't actually use that software anymore) but DisplayCAL doesn't (or at least I am not aware of how to trigger that behavior). Yes, I can use SDR mode and an HDFury Integral to inject fake metadata but that's tedious and prevents me from profiling in VRR mode (the HDFury Integral is not VRR/GSync compatible and the display panel does behave somewhat differently in VRR mode and that's how I normally feed the display: GSync is always active, refreshrate remains 119.88Hz for movie watching as well to keep everything similar rather than having to use different picture modes for different input signals and display panel modes).

Amuat · 25th November 2023, 19:02

"If those don't do it, try also in the player's file explorer properties on the compatibility tab, to place a check on "Disable full-screen optimisations"."

Didn't know that was required nowadays, as you state to a fellow user, thank you!

"do you have two screens even a virtual one counts?"

I do not.

huhn · 25th November 2023, 19:49

without it you don't have FSE.
you should also not blindly active it it is not save at all.

Klaus1189 · 25th November 2023, 20:27

How do I get rid of 60.000 Hz composition rate if I go this way?

huhn · 25th November 2023, 21:10

restart and hope.

this can happen when you switch from 60 away to something else and windows just stays at 60 and the GPU switches.

real FSE doesn't have a composition rate.

Sunspark · 26th November 2023, 01:55

Yes, this is right, I remember now that the composition rate would get stuck sometimes if one was switching around all over the place, but a reboot always fixed it.

Klaus1189 · 26th November 2023, 08:49

Refresh rate switches but composition rate stays at 60.000

Sunspark · 26th November 2023, 08:55

Would be worth comparing exclusive mode in EVR-CP and MPC-VR to see if this happens with all of them.

huhn · 26th November 2023, 21:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Klaus1189

Refresh rate switches but composition rate stays at 60.000

windows issues.
if this happens with FSE it is just reported for fun or you don't have real FSE.

mpo my changes something about that.
i don't know enough about it. newer windows 11 version are also able to have more than 1 composition rate at the same time not sure if this is part of mpo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sunspark

Would be worth comparing exclusive mode in EVR-CP and MPC-VR to see if this happens with all of them.

why do you see a composition rate when using these renderer?
is EVR CP FSE even worth mentioning? i mean it has a seek bar now that wasn't always the case.

to bad they took overlay from us so good. well there was no 10 bit version so well what ever.

Amuat · 27th November 2023, 19:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by huhn

without it you don't have FSE.
you should also not blindly active it it is not save at all.

I haven't "blindly activated it". I use it because without the matching of refresh rate to the FPS of the video it enables, I get worse performance as measured by rendering time, and even more importantly, mismatch between those two often causes lagging movement, even if rendering time is still reasonable.

tkp206093 · 27th November 2023, 22:25

http://madshi.net/madVRhdrMeasure192.zip

huhn · 28th November 2023, 07:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amuat

I haven't "blindly activated it". I use it because without the matching of refresh rate to the FPS of the video it enables, I get worse performance as measured by rendering time, and even more importantly, mismatch between those two often causes lagging movement, even if rendering time is still reasonable.

and is is not required and bad practice.
there are reason to use like to get 3D working but in general it is utterly broken.
it does match anything and it doesn't even exist in newer windows version it may even forces flat 60 composition rate something it doesn't even have because it is not FSE it just fake.

and please don't state stuff like this: "required nowadays"

Amuat · 29th November 2023, 18:33

Oh, I guess I must have confused FSE with the full screen mode in MPC-HC. So the latter should work fine when enable automatic full screen exclusive mode is not checked in madVR settings? And also not needing the disabling of optimisations in that case?

"and please don't state stuff like this: "required nowadays""

Don't get what you mean, I was merely responding to Sunspark's comment ("Fullscreen exclusive only works properly now if that box is checked, since version 1909 of W10 I think (forget the exact #) because Microsoft changed how compositing works."), not advocating using FSE itself as a requirement.

ryrynz · Yesterday, 10:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amuat

Don't get what you mean.

Stated what he means right at the start

Quote:

Originally Posted by huhn

is not required and bad practice.

galego100 · Yesterday, 11:56

Hello , with 300€ budget , which card i should buy ? It could be used one...I´m looking for 2080 TI or 3060 ti , to use it with Formovie Theater, for DTM , 2080 ti is enough?

Amuat · Yesterday, 15:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryrynz

Stated what he means right at the start

Yes, but he/she seemed to be under the false impression that I was referring to FSE itself being required, when I was only referring to how disabling optimisations is required if you're going to use FSE, according to Sunspark, as I explained:

"Don't get what you mean, I was merely responding to Sunspark's comment ("Fullscreen exclusive only works properly now if that box is checked, since version 1909 of W10 I think (forget the exact #) because Microsoft changed how compositing works."), not advocating using FSE itself as a requirement."

Sunspark · Yesterday, 19:01

Yes, if you're using FSE check that box. If you're not going to check the box, then don't use FSE and stick to standard windowed borderless fullscreen mode.

Gamers deal with the same thing. D3D9 vs D3D11 (&12) games, FSE, overlay, windowed borderless, etc.

What Microsoft does now is that without disable optimizations checked is that they insert a layer between a game running in FSE and the display. The game thinks it is using FSE, but it isn't. Most of the time it works fine, gamers have done benchmarks.

huhn · Today, 03:35

i guess i really didn't get the message through.
even if you check it you don't get FSE anymore. there are no guaranties anymore it's a dead end just look at overlay which was never used by any game i ever heard about i mean it would literally fail to start on amd if it doesn't have a fall back.
newer WDDM version just use windowed with a forced composition rate of 60 on win 10 making is pointless like nothing else.

hell on the win 11 version on my AMD system there is no madVR FSE any more at all i will still get presentation glitches if 2 screen are actively full screen and used there is no composition rate.

and all of this doesn't matter because there are a lot of different windows version active now with how they update. all can have different WDDM version and don't forget the GPU driver.

TL;DR if you have a working compibnation keep it.

Sunspark · Today, 07:14

My drivers are old, so my WDDM version is only 2.0, feature level 11_1.

I actually use overlay with madvr as a result and it works. Nothing else uses overlay though.

Pretty sure FSE still works for me (I disabled optimizations globally and I'm on an older build of W10) and I can see a minute GPU load difference vs having it on or off. All the presentation modes work though, whether Windows or Linux.

I agree with Huhn, people should not bother with FSE unless they're on old hardware or playing old games.

My other "real" machine is a Steam Deck.. Valve has been pretty lame with the drivers and won't release drivers that have hardware acceleration for encoding or decoding.. or OpenCL so there is no point running Windows there.. so on the Linux side, there is acceleration support, but it's just the usual VAAPI stuff and support for it is hit and miss with apps.. so over there I have set up VLC and Haruna (which uses libmpv), but I don't watch stuff on it. Haruna will use vaapi-copy but not native vaapi.. I don't know why.

Garath · Today, 16:42

hello! i have a problem with madvr.
setup: windows 11 22h2, rtx 3080, lg cx, lav filters-0.77.2 x64, madvr 197, mpc-be x64 (but I also tried mpc-hc and potplayer)

when I open an hdr file, it is not bright, the colours are pale.
I have the default settings on madvr, except 10bit, hdr passthrough, display mode and FSE (fse not working)

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Sunspark Registered User Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 413	Yes, if you're using FSE check that box. If you're not going to check the box, then don't use FSE and stick to standard windowed borderless fullscreen mode. Gamers deal with the same thing. D3D9 vs D3D11 (&12) games, FSE, overlay, windowed borderless, etc. What Microsoft does now is that without disable optimizations checked is that they insert a layer between a game running in FSE and the display. The game thinks it is using FSE, but it isn't. Most of the time it works fine, gamers have done benchmarks. Last edited by Sunspark; Yesterday at 19:03.

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25th November 2023, 18:08	#64441 \| Link
janos666 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 478	Is there a command line override flag (or other means) to force madTPG to output incoming R,G,B triplets at HDR scale in HDR mode? Out of curiosity, I am trying to calibrate/profile my LG C9 with DisplayCAL. I have ColourSpace and CalMAN licenses as well and at least ColourSpace can configure madTPG to output HDR range (I haven't tried this with CalMAN but I don't actually use that software anymore) but DisplayCAL doesn't (or at least I am not aware of how to trigger that behavior). Yes, I can use SDR mode and an HDFury Integral to inject fake metadata but that's tedious and prevents me from profiling in VRR mode (the HDFury Integral is not VRR/GSync compatible and the display panel does behave somewhat differently in VRR mode and that's how I normally feed the display: GSync is always active, refreshrate remains 119.88Hz for movie watching as well to keep everything similar rather than having to use different picture modes for different input signals and display panel modes).

25th November 2023, 19:02	#64442 \| Link
Amuat Registered User Join Date: Jun 2023 Posts: 25	"If those don't do it, try also in the player's file explorer properties on the compatibility tab, to place a check on "Disable full-screen optimisations"." Didn't know that was required nowadays, as you state to a fellow user, thank you! "do you have two screens even a virtual one counts?" I do not.

25th November 2023, 19:49	#64443 \| Link
huhn Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 7,770	without it you don't have FSE. you should also not blindly active it it is not save at all.

25th November 2023, 20:27	#64444 \| Link
Klaus1189 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Bavaria Posts: 1,654	How do I get rid of 60.000 Hz composition rate if I go this way?

25th November 2023, 21:10	#64445 \| Link
huhn Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 7,770	restart and hope. this can happen when you switch from 60 away to something else and windows just stays at 60 and the GPU switches. real FSE doesn't have a composition rate.

26th November 2023, 01:55	#64446 \| Link
Sunspark Registered User Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 413	Yes, this is right, I remember now that the composition rate would get stuck sometimes if one was switching around all over the place, but a reboot always fixed it.

26th November 2023, 08:49	#64447 \| Link
Klaus1189 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Bavaria Posts: 1,654	Refresh rate switches but composition rate stays at 60.000

26th November 2023, 08:55	#64448 \| Link
Sunspark Registered User Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 413	Would be worth comparing exclusive mode in EVR-CP and MPC-VR to see if this happens with all of them.

27th November 2023, 22:25	#64451 \| Link
tkp206093 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2022 Posts: 1	http://madshi.net/madVRhdrMeasure192.zip

29th November 2023, 18:33	#64453 \| Link
Amuat Registered User Join Date: Jun 2023 Posts: 25	Oh, I guess I must have confused FSE with the full screen mode in MPC-HC. So the latter should work fine when enable automatic full screen exclusive mode is not checked in madVR settings? And also not needing the disabling of optimisations in that case? "and please don't state stuff like this: "required nowadays"" Don't get what you mean, I was merely responding to Sunspark's comment ("Fullscreen exclusive only works properly now if that box is checked, since version 1909 of W10 I think (forget the exact #) because Microsoft changed how compositing works."), not advocating using FSE itself as a requirement.

Yesterday, 11:56	#64455 \| Link
galego100 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2023 Posts: 1	Hello , with 300€ budget , which card i should buy ? It could be used one...I´m looking for 2080 TI or 3060 ti , to use it with Formovie Theater, for DTM , 2080 ti is enough?

Today, 03:35	#64458 \| Link
huhn Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 7,770	i guess i really didn't get the message through. even if you check it you don't get FSE anymore. there are no guaranties anymore it's a dead end just look at overlay which was never used by any game i ever heard about i mean it would literally fail to start on amd if it doesn't have a fall back. newer WDDM version just use windowed with a forced composition rate of 60 on win 10 making is pointless like nothing else. hell on the win 11 version on my AMD system there is no madVR FSE any more at all i will still get presentation glitches if 2 screen are actively full screen and used there is no composition rate. and all of this doesn't matter because there are a lot of different windows version active now with how they update. all can have different WDDM version and don't forget the GPU driver. TL;DR if you have a working compibnation keep it.

Today, 07:14	#64459 \| Link
Sunspark Registered User Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 413	My drivers are old, so my WDDM version is only 2.0, feature level 11_1. I actually use overlay with madvr as a result and it works. Nothing else uses overlay though. Pretty sure FSE still works for me (I disabled optimizations globally and I'm on an older build of W10) and I can see a minute GPU load difference vs having it on or off. All the presentation modes work though, whether Windows or Linux. I agree with Huhn, people should not bother with FSE unless they're on old hardware or playing old games. My other "real" machine is a Steam Deck.. Valve has been pretty lame with the drivers and won't release drivers that have hardware acceleration for encoding or decoding.. or OpenCL so there is no point running Windows there.. so on the Linux side, there is acceleration support, but it's just the usual VAAPI stuff and support for it is hit and miss with apps.. so over there I have set up VLC and Haruna (which uses libmpv), but I don't watch stuff on it. Haruna will use vaapi-copy but not native vaapi.. I don't know why.

Today, 16:42	#64460 \| Link
Garath Registered User Join Date: Oct 2021 Posts: 3	hello! i have a problem with madvr. setup: windows 11 22h2, rtx 3080, lg cx, lav filters-0.77.2 x64, madvr 197, mpc-be x64 (but I also tried mpc-hc and potplayer) when I open an hdr file, it is not bright, the colours are pale. I have the default settings on madvr, except 10bit, hdr passthrough, display mode and FSE (fse not working)