SubPic Used as Frame

broxburn · 12th March 2015, 18:56

Based on a tutorial here about creating a DVD menu, I decided to use a subpic to mask an area of the DVD (without the need for recoding).
Using the .sst script and MuxMan I got it working ok.
During normal playback on a standalone player I could turn on and off the subpic and pausing was ok.
However fast forwarding the movie caused the subpic to vanish.
Here's the script I used.
Setting it as forced or non-forced made no difference.
Also setting the display time had no effect.
Any offers?

Quote:

st_format 2
Display_Start non_forced
TV_Type NTSC
Tape_Type NON_DROP
Pixel_Area (2 479)
Display_Area (0 2 719 479)
E2 (255 0 0 = = =)
E1 (0 255 0 = = =)
PA (0 0 0 = = =)
BG (0 0 0 = = =)
Directory .
Color (2 5 1 3)
Contrast (15 0 0 0)
1 00:00:00:00 00:00:00:00 SUB.bmp

bigotti5 · 12th March 2015, 19:13

DVD Video requires a subpic to disappear using fast forward/rewind

- restart subpic every second (without display_stop command)

Code:

...
BG	(0 0 0 = = =) 
Directory	.
Color	(2 5 1 3) 
Contrast	(15 0 0 0) 
1	00:00:00:00	-	SUB.bmp
1	00:00:01:00	-	SUB.bmp
1	00:00:02:00	-	SUB.bmp
1	00:00:03:00	-	SUB.bmp
1	00:00:04:00	-	SUB.bmp
...

- prohibit fast forward/rewind

broxburn · 12th March 2015, 20:13

Thank you for the prompt reply.
For a two hour movie I'd need 7200 entries?
I went with the prohibited user option instead.
Cheers.

bigotti5 · 12th March 2015, 20:15

You have to restart subpic at least at chapter points

broxburn · 12th March 2015, 20:37

Good to know.
Thanks again!

rik1138 · 12th March 2015, 23:40

Some players also have a problem with subpics that are left on indefinitely... After some number of minutes they just stop displaying the event... So you should have it re-fresh every 5 minutes or so anyway...

These are probably older players though, so I'm not sure if it's much of an issue anymore... Just something I remember from back in the day.

Ghitulescu · 13th March 2015, 08:27

And some players simply ignore this requirement and display the subs also during FWD/REW up to a certain speed.

Why do you need to have them displayed during FWD/REW? Why do you not want to have the audio as well not-muted?

broxburn · 13th March 2015, 16:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghitulescu

And some players simply ignore this requirement and display the subs also during FWD/REW up to a certain speed.

Why do you need to have them displayed during FWD/REW? Why do you not want to have the audio as well not-muted?

(a)I don't - I just want them (it) to resume masking the video when normal playback re-starts, but since it's been pointed out that isn't on the cards, I'm fine.
(b) It wasn't part of my original post, however since you bring it up, on reflexion, audio playback as an option might be amusing as the speed ramps up - probably improve Transformers II no end.

Ghitulescu · 15th March 2015, 12:11

The point was that when the DVD specs were laid out, not DVD player could fulfil them.
SO they had to cut the tail of the fox until the state-of-the-art technology could resolve the DVD requirements.

It is possible to have subs and audio at higher than 1x speeds, but not in 1994 (the first DVD players appeared in 1997). I think I had once a player that could display subs even at 4x search but no sound (my Popcorn does it at every scan speed but no audio - beacause it is done in software and the HW is much much better). For the same reason, CSS was so easy to break only after 5 years.

Lyris · 31st March 2015, 00:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by rik1138

Some players also have a problem with subpics that are left on indefinitely... After some number of minutes they just stop displaying the event... So you should have it re-fresh every 5 minutes or so anyway...

The first disc I ever authored (using Sony DVD Architect "Pro" - not something I recommend) had a bug where on some players (Oppo BDP-83 running some Mediatek chipset) the subtitles would not disappear from the screen. So the last line of dialogue before a 5-minute music-only scene remained on screen throughout.

That was the first and last time I used DVD Architect for a replicated title.

Emulgator · 31st March 2015, 19:58

Lyris, may I ask which version(s) of Sony DVD-A gave this fault ?

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bigotti5 Spielberger Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 838	DVD Video requires a subpic to disappear using fast forward/rewind - restart subpic every second (without display_stop command) Code: ... BG (0 0 0 = = =) Directory . Color (2 5 1 3) Contrast (15 0 0 0) 1 00:00:00:00 - SUB.bmp 1 00:00:01:00 - SUB.bmp 1 00:00:02:00 - SUB.bmp 1 00:00:03:00 - SUB.bmp 1 00:00:04:00 - SUB.bmp ... - prohibit fast forward/rewind Last edited by bigotti5; 12th March 2015 at 19:16.

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Ghitulescu Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 5,772	And some players simply ignore this requirement and display the subs also during FWD/REW up to a certain speed. Why do you need to have them displayed during FWD/REW? Why do you not want to have the audio as well not-muted? __________________ Born in the USB (not USA)

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Ghitulescu Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 5,772	The point was that when the DVD specs were laid out, not DVD player could fulfil them. SO they had to cut the tail of the fox until the state-of-the-art technology could resolve the DVD requirements. It is possible to have subs and audio at higher than 1x speeds, but not in 1994 (the first DVD players appeared in 1997). I think I had once a player that could display subs even at 4x search but no sound (my Popcorn does it at every scan speed but no audio - beacause it is done in software and the HW is much much better). For the same reason, CSS was so easy to break only after 5 years. __________________ Born in the USB (not USA)

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Emulgator Big Bit Savings Now ! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: close to the wall Posts: 1,671	Lyris, may I ask which version(s) of Sony DVD-A gave this fault ? __________________ "To bypass shortcuts and find suffering...is called QUALity" (Die toten Augen von Friedrichshain) "Data reduction ? Yep, Sir. We're that issue working on. Synce invntoin uf lingöage..."

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12th March 2015, 20:13	#3 \| Link
broxburn Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 77	Thank you for the prompt reply. For a two hour movie I'd need 7200 entries? I went with the prohibited user option instead. Cheers.

12th March 2015, 20:15	#4 \| Link
bigotti5 Spielberger Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 838	You have to restart subpic at least at chapter points

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broxburn Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 77	Good to know. Thanks again!

12th March 2015, 23:40	#6 \| Link
rik1138 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: LA Posts: 621	Some players also have a problem with subpics that are left on indefinitely... After some number of minutes they just stop displaying the event... So you should have it re-fresh every 5 minutes or so anyway... These are probably older players though, so I'm not sure if it's much of an issue anymore... Just something I remember from back in the day.