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Old 19th February 2004, 02:41   #21  |  Link
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That's because I moved the MenuEdit part to step 6, and so you need to do Join CellVob Files to keep the IDs you have adjusted. It's much easier this way, I removed all the group-in-folders part...
Thanks Dave82 - I didn't look at your edits close enough

For anyone that is following, it appears that the problem with using IfoEdit and PCM audio is a known problem - I found an old thread that covered the subbject here:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...ht=ifoedit+pcm

Unfortunately, it doesn't look like there is a solution...

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Old 19th February 2004, 14:05   #22  |  Link
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@ Woodlake and Dave:
i did step 1 using vobrator (no vobedit),
was "very complicated".....(i never used vobrator before)
and from step2 to step4 like the guide and got
perfect sincro between audio(2*ac3 + new mp2) & video.
(not did at the final of the guide,
only using the .ifos and .vobs of this step in powerdvd)

for me,
----> vobedit give the error after step 1 (demux).

@ Dave:
no matter what dvd i use,
in all, i got less cells after step 5
than i find in the original VTS_01_0.IFO
that show the ifoedit overview.
the last movie(too big) have from
pg1 to pg13, pg12 have cell 12 and cell 13 and pg13 have cell 14,
after step 5 i got only 10 cells!


sorry mate,
i can't find the reason!
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Old 19th February 2004, 15:13   #23  |  Link
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@Jorel,

I can't say I have had any problems with the streams demuxed by VobEdit. My problems are to do with putting the steams back together again with IfoEdit. Just to confirm that this is in fact the problem, you could use Media Player Classic and view the m2v and .ac3 files and see if they are in sync? As long as the video and audio have the same file name and are in the same folder eg "test.m2v" and "test.ac3" it will play them.

hxxp://www.doom9.org/Soft21/Players/mpc2kxp6478.zip

You might also want to try using DVDDecrypter in "ifo mode" and enable "stream processing" to demux instead of VobEdit? Again you can check the sync using Media Player.

As for the number of cells being incorrect, I really dont know??. The number of entries in your celltimes.txt file is the number of cells you should have? I pressume that you are putting this in the "Scene changes/chapter" section of the IfoEdit "DVD Author" section at Step 4?

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Old 20th February 2004, 01:29   #24  |  Link
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ok,ok!
i try like you posted and all(well,not all) is ok(second dvd)

the first dvd(cartoon)used for test give sincro problems...
maybe the reason is that the first cell have only one audio...
(don't know ...maybe)could be?

the second dvd (big) don't have sincro problems
but cell(celltimes) problems:
ifoedit show as posted:
"pg1 to pg13, pg12 have cell 12 and cell 13 and pg13 have cell 14,
after step 5 i got only 10 cells!"
than i can't play the movie,only the menu(then close powerdvd).

from ifoedit:
PCG_1 :
pg 01 cell 01 v/c id:1/1
to
pg 11 cell 11 v/c id:1/11

pg 12 cell 12 v/c id:1/12
..........cell 13 v/c id:1/13

pg 13 cell 14 v/c id:2/1

PCG_2 :
pg 01 cell 01 v/c id:2/1

i loose somewhere cos i got only 10,see the log:
File VTS_01_001.VOB: [Vob/Cell Id: 1/1]
File VTS_01_002.VOB: [Vob/Cell Id: 1/2]
File VTS_01_003.VOB: [Vob/Cell Id: 1/3]
File VTS_01_004.VOB: [Vob/Cell Id: 1/4]
File VTS_01_005.VOB: [Vob/Cell Id: 1/5]
File VTS_01_006.VOB: [Vob/Cell Id: 1/6]
File VTS_01_007.VOB: [Vob/Cell Id: 1/7]
File VTS_01_008.VOB: [Vob/Cell Id: 1/8]
File VTS_01_009.VOB: [Vob/Cell Id: 1/9]
File VTS_01_010.VOB: [Vob/Cell Id: 1/10]

@ Dave
where are you?
your guide is great
(maybe the first for full movie with one more audio channel)
and only fews are posting
but have many views!
we are in the final step!
help us more!
thanks!


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you're welcome too!
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Old 20th February 2004, 01:37   #25  |  Link
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here are the celltimes from the second movie:
PCG_1:
12136
24848
33206
44021
58400
67128
78296
91056
98587
110946
119684
119791
133606
133636

PCG_2:
30

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Old 20th February 2004, 01:52   #26  |  Link
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It seems like you have quite a capabilty of picking up particular DVDs!
Quote:
pg 13 cell 14 v/c id:2/1

PCG_2 :
pg 01 cell 01 v/c id:2/1
You see? You have the same short (about 1 sec) cell used twice.
I suppose they refer to it twice in the IFO, but infact there's just one of it in the vob. So when you reauthor, try to ignore the celltimes.txt from pgc 2, use just the one from pgc 1. At the end you should have 14 cells, just go along with the guide and you should be OK. Let me know if it works
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Old 20th February 2004, 18:20   #27  |  Link
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ok Dave!


i did like recomendations....
step 3
using only the Celltimes from PCG_1:
12136,24848,33206,44021,58400,67128,78296,
91056,98587,110946,119684,119791,133606,133636 !

log after step 5:
File VTS_01_001.VOB: [Vob/Cell Id: 1/1]
File VTS_01_002.VOB: [Vob/Cell Id: 1/2]
File VTS_01_003.VOB: [Vob/Cell Id: 1/3]
File VTS_01_004.VOB: [Vob/Cell Id: 1/4]
File VTS_01_005.VOB: [Vob/Cell Id: 1/5]
File VTS_01_006.VOB: [Vob/Cell Id: 1/6]
File VTS_01_007.VOB: [Vob/Cell Id: 1/7]
File VTS_01_008.VOB: [Vob/Cell Id: 1/8]
File VTS_01_009.VOB: [Vob/Cell Id: 1/9]
File VTS_01_010.VOB: [Vob/Cell Id: 1/10]

---> the same 10 vobs!


i did at the final steps and the menu don't came .
than i play again (powerdvd) and "right click"
after the advertences and apresentations,
going to the "tree menu" and play the movie!
the new audio is there!

i check everything and did all again(2 times),Dave.
just the same!
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I'm really confused...
I don't know how much this can be useful, but have a look at your 10 vobs and see what parts are missing.
BTW, did you remember to check "Demux entire titleset" in step 5?
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Old 20th February 2004, 19:29   #29  |  Link
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Dave,
the 10 vobs have the complete full movie,
...just like the 4 original vobs!

and yes,
"CellID" and "Demux entire titleset" was checked in step 5!

when i open first vobcell in menuedit,
i have only one
vob id:1
cell id:1 (0 buttons)

and only one "vob id" in the 9 remainders!
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Dave,
the 10 vobs have the complete full movie,
...just like the 4 original vobs!

I can't understand what's happening...
Try this: have a look at the IFOs created by IFOEdit when you author with the new audio track. Create a CellTimes.txt from VTS_01_0.IFO and compare it to the one obtained from the original titleset IFO. Maybe we'll understand something from the differences...
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Old 20th February 2004, 19:59   #31  |  Link
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it's here:
from original ifo:
12136
24848
33206
44021
58400
67128
78296
91056
98587
110946
119684
119791
133606
133636

after the new audio track
(or without,only using the original audio,just the same)
IFOs created by IFOEdit :
12138
24857
33212
44031
58400
67132
78296
91065
98588
107811

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Old 21st February 2004, 08:50   #32  |  Link
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It seems there's a problem with IFOEdit, I don't know why it doesn't create cells as the celltimes.txt says, I'm sorry... and also confused, in the attempt I made with an authored movie of mine everything was OK
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Old 23rd February 2004, 03:44   #33  |  Link
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Dave,
i was thinking:
don't have a way to demux the vobs as cells,
change the vob ids one by one,join clips and make a new ifo
for the main movie for use in the full movie?
...or something like this?

i can't desist, we walk a long road trying and testing!
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I'd like to say that with extreme simple movies (no menues, just one PGC) it is sufficient to do steps 1 through 4.

And, what kept me busy quite a long time, was that my source DVD didn't contain a valid ac3 track - it played well, but IFOEdit didn't like it. I ad to reencode the exact same audio (ac3->mp3->ac3) to make it work. So check if the size of your movie after step4 really is enlarged by the new audio.

Eh, and thanks for the guide, Dave !
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[B]the movie have 7 vts_pcgs and his :
vts_pcg_1...406
vts_pcg_2...653
vts_pcg_3...160,2172
vts_pcg_4...12130,24902,37455,42659
vts_pcg_5...12130
vts_pcg_6...12772
vts_pcg_7...12553
Dave,some observations in ifoedit using vts_01_0.ifo:

vts_pcg_4 [cell 01] [vc id: 5/1] 06:44:10...[frames: 12130]
have the same value as
vts_pcg_5 [cell 01] [vc id: 5/1] 06:44:10...[frames: 12130]


vts_pcg_4 [cell 01] [vc id: 5/1] 06:44:10...frames: 12130
+
vts_pcg_6 [cell 01] [vc id: 6/1] 07:05:22...frames: 12272
= 13:50:02 and 24902 frames (same values of vts_pvg_4 cell 02)


vts_pcg_4 [cell 02] [vc id: 6/1] 06:44:10...frames: 24902
+
vts_pcg_7 [cell 01] [vc id: 7/1] 06:58:13...frames: 12553
= 20:48:15 and 37445 frames (same values of vts_pcg_4 cell 03)


see that:
vts_pcg_4 cell 01 have same numbers of frames and time of
vts_pcg_5

vts_pcg_4 cell 01 with vts_pcg_6 have the same frames and times as
vts_pcg_4 cell 02

vts_pcg_4 cell 01 with vts_pcg_7 have the same frames and time as
vts_pcg_4 cell 03

vts_pcg_4 have different value only in the
[cell 04] [vc id: 8/1] 02:53:14...frames 42659

i got 2 vobs(cells) from vts_pcg_3 and
one more of each vts_pcg (pcg_4 include).
that give me 8 vobs....
i see that vts_pcg_4 give me only one vob(cell)

maybe is the reason that i got only 8 vobs(cells)after step 5,don't?
could it be?

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Originally posted by jorel
Dave,
i was thinking:
don't have a way to demux the vobs as cells,
change the vob ids one by one,join clips and make a new ifo
for the main movie for use in the full movie?
...or something like this?
Yeah, maybe it could work, but you would have to copy all command tables in the new ifo and if you had a menu you would have to merge menu tables...IMHO it seems a bit messy, but it's good to try everything!
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maybe is the reason that i got only 8 vobs(cells)after step 5,don't?
Very interesting...to confirm that, please post your VTS overview with all the V/C IDs and frames, like this:
[cell 04] [vc id: 8/1] 02:53:14...frames 42659
but for all of your PGCs.

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I'd like to say that with extreme simple movies (no menues, just one PGC) it is sufficient to do steps 1 through 4.
You're right, Luzipher, but actually yours is a complete reauthoring...
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@ Luzipher,
welcome in forum!
(sorry,i forgot in the last post to send welcome)


Dave,
i got!


i left the out:
vts_pgc_5 12130 45890+12130 58020
vts_pgc_6 12772 58020+12772 70792
vts_pgc_7 12553 70792+12553 83345

and use the only the first 8 :
vts_pgc_1 406 406 406
vts_pgc_2 653 406+653 1059
vts_pgc_3 160 1059+160 1219
2172 1059+2172 3231
vts_pgc_4 12130 3231+12130 15361
24902 3231+24902 28133
37455 3231+37455 40686
42659 3231+42659 45890

everything is working:
menu,chapters,extras,etc but
with a little problem...
audio running out of sincro round 5 seconds
(audio came first than video from cell 02 to cell 08!)
the end of the cell 02, have ~5 seconds of cell 03.
the same happen in the others cells,
the end of each have the begining of the next cell !

strange...the pcg_3 cell 01,have time00:05.10 seconds
like overall audio error in the final.

maybe the reason is that the first cell(advertences)
have only one audio track(080)(without sound but with a track).
i will try to change the audio in the 7 cells remainder
and left the first alone without change....waiting your opinion first!


see the cells from original .ifo:

pcg_1 (use vob ids: 1)
[cell 01] [vc id: 1/1] time00:13.16 pos: 00:13.16 frames 406

pcg_2 (use vob ids: 2)
[cell 01] [vc id: 2/1] time00:21.23 pos: 00:21.23 frames 653

pcg_3 (uses vob ids: 3,4)
[cell 01] [vc id: 3/1] time00:05.10 pos: 00:05.10 frames 160
[cell 02] [vc id: 4/1] time01:07.02 pos: 01:12.12 frames 2172

pcg_4 (use vob ids: 5,6,7,8)
[cell 01] [vc id: 5/1] time06:44.10 pos: 06:44.10 frames 12130
[cell 02] [vc id: 6/1] layer Br. time07:05.22 pos: 13:50.02 frames 24902
[cell 03] [vc id: 7/1] layer Br. time06:58.13 pos: 20:48.15 frames 37455
[cell 04] [vc id; 8/1] layer Br. time02:53.14 pos: 23:41.29 frames 42659

pcg_5 (use vob ids: 5)
[cell 01] [ vc id: 5/1] time06:44.10 pos: 06:44.10 frames 12130

pcg_6 (use vob ids:6)
[cell 01] [vc id: 6/1] time07:05.22 pos: 07:05.22 frames 12772

pcg_7 (use vob ids:7)
[cell 01] [vc id: 7/1] time06:58.13 pos: 06:58.13

* what means "layer Br" in pcg_4 ?

thanks Dave,the solution is the next step!
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and use the only the first 8
That's because actually the last 3 don't exist in the VOBs, they are just the first 3 cells in PGC 4 called for the second time by the IFO, so you have to ignore them when reauthoring.
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audio running out of sincro round 5 seconds
Does this affect every audio stream?
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maybe the reason is that the first cell(advertences)
have only one audio track(080)(without sound but with a track).
I don't think this is possible, since every part of a titleset must have the same audio/video features.
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i will try to change the audio in the 7 cells remainder
and left the first alone without change....waiting your opinion first!
For the same reason you can't do that, you have to edit the audio stream of the entire titleset at once!
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what means "layer Br" in pcg_4 ?
It stands for "Layer Break", but you don't need to care about it.

What's the delay information you get from VOBEdit? And from DVD2AVI or SmartRipper?
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"Does this affect every audio stream?"
yes Dave, all audios are wrong but
--->the error is a little different in each track!

"And from DVD2AVI or SmartRipper?"
dvd2avi delay -66ms !
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audio running out of sincro round 5 seconds
(audio came first than video from cell 02 to cell 08!)
the end of the cell 02, have ~5 seconds of cell 03.
the same happen in the others cells,
the end of each have the begining of the next cell !

strange...the pcg_3 cell 01,have time00:05.10 seconds
like overall audio error in the final.
So I suppose all the audio for cell 3 shifted up at the end of cell 2, right?
What seems strange to me is that you said this delay starts from the end of cell 2. But what about cell 1? If cell times are correct and the audio comes 5 seconds before the right time, don't you have 5 sec. of cell 2 at the end of cell 1? Shouldn't the synchronization be wrong since the beginning?
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