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Old 27th June 2021, 19:56   #61641  |  Link
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I like NGU AA for anime, but on a laptop I agree that NGU would be overkill. Power and noise means Bicubic60 (chroma) and Lanczos for luma is a better alternative on a laptop.

For battery use I might go with EVR (except I do need that 3DLUT).
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Old 27th June 2021, 20:08   #61642  |  Link
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NGU's energy usage is not justifiable. Especially because it does not produce a visible difference in motion at real viewing distances.

It's not good for laptops especially because the vrm durability is taking big hits FOR NOTHING.

It's one thing to run hot for games, but to run hot for something we can't even see is just straight up waste.


Movies without 3Dlut is unwatchable once you've seeeen it WITH 3Dlut. It's madvr's greatest feature for a reason.

With and without 3Dlut is night and day, whereas NGU is something we have to put our nose up to the screen and squint to see a difference.
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Old 29th June 2021, 18:55   #61643  |  Link
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When v0.92.18 will be released?
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Old 29th June 2021, 20:27   #61644  |  Link
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madshi is putting all his energy into ENVY at the moment, the hardware platform version, so its not really clear whether we'll ever get another software version, best we can say is yeah maybe, sometime in the next 5 years
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Old 29th June 2021, 20:31   #61645  |  Link
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That's highly bold putting 5 years on it.
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Old 30th June 2021, 11:30   #61646  |  Link
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I consider it for every day users for all intents and purposes now dead in the water. If we're lucky we'll get some bug fixes and minor quality of life improvements, but yeah the ride is over.
mclingo playing the optimist lol.
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Old 30th June 2021, 12:56   #61647  |  Link
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I'm somewhere in the middle. I think for average users things are complicated. I don't think madvr on the PC is dead. Think of it like a long hiatus. Which is nothing new for it anyway. Right now the focus is on envy and getting that off the ground. To that end advanced users get some benefit from the beta builds as they are used to further quality for tone mapping. Eventually there'll be a registration system of some kind put in place so that builds won't time out. We're in fairly good shape with 134. It's very nice for watching movies. It's not for the faint of heart to setup though. That I think is the compromise right now. You can take advantage of the beta builds but you have to be prepared to put in the work. And until the registration system is done, put up with ever changing, expiring builds. For the average user, that complicates things. We will eventually see another stable release build. But it's going to be a while. It depends on the success of envy.

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Old 30th June 2021, 14:51   #61648  |  Link
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All of a sudden my present stats shoot through the roof. Like 16-17 ms... even higher. Videos start at 0.x ms present stats, then after some seconds they go high.

I was trying to create custom resolutions, with CRU, but then I reset everything. Any idea of what might be the reason?
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Old 30th June 2021, 16:39   #61649  |  Link
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All of a sudden my present stats shoot through the roof. Like 16-17 ms... even higher. Videos start at 0.x ms present stats, then after some seconds they go high.

I was trying to create custom resolutions, with CRU, but then I reset everything. Any idea of what might be the reason?
It may be the power settings in nvidia control panel. If it is set to adaptive, it produces spikes in the rendering times.
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Old 30th June 2021, 18:41   #61650  |  Link
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It may be the power settings in nvidia control panel. If it is set to adaptive, it produces spikes in the rendering times.
It was present times the problem, not rendering. Using DDU and reinstalling fixed it.
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Old 30th June 2021, 18:42   #61651  |  Link
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Massive present times can also be linked to VSync settings.

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I don't think madvr on the PC is dead. [...] Right now the focus is on envy and getting that off the ground. [...] Eventually there'll be a registration system of some kind put in place so that builds won't time out. [...] We will eventually see another stable release build.
I'm not as optimistic. My reasoning is that madshi needs the HDR test builds simply because it is a feature where a community with different people watching a variety of source material on a variety of different display devices is a precious resource to him for development. People help him fine-tune tonemapping, and they get it for their PC in return, albeit in beta form. It's like insider builds for Windows.
The user registration system - like the time limit - is only there to fight the businesses selling pre-built HTPCs with madVR included that compete with the Envy.
However the other features planned in the future ('AI' frame interpolation, deinterlacing, multi frame noise reduction) don't need that community for testing. madshi simply has no incentive in continuing to enhance madVR PC beyond HDR tonemapping: it's time spent he'd rather invest in Envy development and it only brings him more problems like supporting users with different configs and OS and driver versions and hardware having different issues, all while making the Envy less attractive in comparison.
For example he already said that he has no plans to integrate the new "Non Linear Stretch" in madVR PC (not that I would miss it in this particular case).

Now I will eat my words if the opposite happens, but I think we have to be content with what we have now which is a freeware that is the product of many years of development but is now a 'community edition' limited version of a better product.
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I think that's a fair assessment of the current status. It doesn't really differ much from what I was saying. Right now we're getting some tone mapping features (and they are quite good for the record) because of the improvements being made to Envy. I agree that new features, especially when it comes to the nVidia specific features planned, aren't necessarily likely to see the light of day on a PC release. At least not without a significant model change (i.e. a paid for version which is NOT in the cards yet so is really off the table for discussion). So I'm not disagreeing with you. I think once tone mapping is finished up, he'll likely release a stable version which could end up being a sort of "last hurrah" depending on Envy is doing at that point. And as long as it continues to work, I'm ok with where it's at. If someone manages to develop something better suited to the PC, then we'll have to evaluate our options at that point. I'm a "best tool for the job that I can afford" kind of guy. Right now, that's madvr. Going forward, I don't have a crystal ball.
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While I am happy madshi managed to turn his passion into a business, I would greatly appreciate more clarity, as far as madVR roadmap is concerned.

As things stand, I'm left wondering if the Envy company is getting free beta testing, to later pull the plug and say "buy an Envy".

And this more for the company's side than madshi personally. I strongly hope to be wrong.
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While I am happy madshi managed to turn his passion into a business, I would greatly appreciate more clarity, as far as madVR roadmap is concerned.

As things stand, I'm left wondering if the Envy company is getting free beta testing, to later pull the plug and say "buy an Envy".

And this more for the company's side than madshi personally. I strongly hope to be wrong.
FYI this is madshi's statement if you've missed it
https://www.avsforum.com/threads/the...#post-60645444
https://www.avsforum.com/threads/the...#post-60733780
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Old 30th June 2021, 22:40   #61655  |  Link
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Remember it's not even his call to make with updates and his partner/partners are less than enthused by the idea so that's that afaic.
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Remember it's not even his call to make with updates and his partner/partners are less than enthused by the idea so that's that afaic.
Which is why I said I'm more worried about the company's side than madshi's. I've got a lot of respect and gratitude for him.
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Old 1st July 2021, 00:35   #61657  |  Link
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Personally I don't worry so much about what's to come. I look at what I have today. Sure, the beta could expire and leave us in a bind where we have to scramble for a solution. Really the solution to that is to go back to 113 (or 112b if you need smooth motion) and live with that. But that's not where we are today. Today madshi seems committed to at least releasing betas before the next expiration period. That's reasonable. That could change by the time 134 expires. At that point, each of us has a choice to make. I don't have the talent and time to write my own video renderer. Very few do. So I live with the constraints of the video renderer that gives me what I consider the best quality for my environment. At the end of the day, that's all we can do.
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TV upscalers are getting more and more advanced almost each generation. I think we're almost at a point where we can just set the content to its native res and let the hardware do the rest.
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my xh90 uses bilinear so i guess there is still some space for improvements
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TV upscalers are getting more and more advanced almost each generation. I think we're almost at a point where we can just set the content to its native res and let the hardware do the rest.
You may be right in the case of upscaling 1920x1080 to 3840x2160. However, I doubt much effort is being spent to improve upscaling 480p video to 3840x2160, which madVR can do very, very well with the right settings. I have lots of 480p movies that never made it to Blu-ray, so this is very important to me (and probably many other madVR users).
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