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Old 13th May 2008, 19:43   #1881  |  Link
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@leepery : does this fix the problem on your computer ??
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Old 13th May 2008, 19:55   #1882  |  Link
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I dunno, I don't run Vista.

but when I was playing around with evrprop.dll in KMPlayer, I saw that it had to be unchecked otherwise I was getting dark gray borders around the picture.

I've told several ppl about it on hdbits, and it fixed the problem for them on Vista SP1.
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Old 13th May 2008, 20:24   #1883  |  Link
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Aha - so to avoid that bar, one has to disable D3D-FS or the OSD. Okay, thank you!
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Old 13th May 2008, 23:49   #1884  |  Link
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can you try this build (I don't have vista) ? [...] "draw borders" is unchecked by default in this build, this is the only difference. if it works I will commit the fix.
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I tried it with Vista 64 bit SP1 and an nvidia Geforce 8800GTS, driver ver 175.16, doesn't appear to work, colors are still washed out.
Thanks MatMaul for compiling that version. Unfortunately I have
to confirm cca's findings: that potential fix does not seem to
work, colors are still washed out with EVR-Custom Presenter.

My Config:

Vista x64 SP1
GeForce 8600GT
Drivers 174.85

But there must be another way ... why is EVR Normal OK, and
only EVR-Custom is washed-out ? What do they do differently ?

Maybe, if everything else fails and there is no other obvious way of fixing
it, a "dirty" little hack would be to *automatically* use the 0-255
shader when selecting EVR-Custom Of course, a "real" fix
would be heaps better


Best regards,
raynor

PS: Edit: Uuh, and as a clarification, we are not (only) talking about border colors here,
but (also) about the colors IN the video ITSELF which are washed-out

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Ok, am I going crazy? I have the latest MPC-HC from the front page and I can't find and 0-255 shader in the list. Where do I find it?
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Old 14th May 2008, 03:40   #1886  |  Link
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So am I correct in assuming from recent posts that I should select Haali's Renderer on the Output section over all render modes on WinXP?

I've been using VMR9...

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Old 14th May 2008, 05:07   #1887  |  Link
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So am I correct in assuming from recent posts that I should select Haali's Renderer on the Output section over all render modes on WinXP?

I've been using VMR9...
I"d take what leepry says with a little salt
as its *his* situation, and not everyone has the same situation, some do though

right now vrm9, and HR are *my* choices, and on my laptop its vrm9, HR put an additional 10% on to my playback load and make 720p unaccessible to me
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Old 14th May 2008, 09:10   #1888  |  Link
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Hi,
Did any one here with a mobile GF 8400M GS and got DXVA to work?
I have such card on my Dell Vostro 1400 and I can't get DXVA to work with mpc for h.264 files.
This card is listed as on the compatible list on nVidia site:
http://www.nvidia.de/docs/CP/11086/P...Comparison.pdf
I use Vista 32 SP1, and I tried EVR (regular & Custom), VMR9 Renderless.

Appreciate your help...
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Old 14th May 2008, 09:34   #1889  |  Link
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Please double check these:
You really have a 8400M GS and not a 8400M G (the latter doesn't have H264 DXVA acceleration). Or use this program http://bluesky23.hp.infoseek.co.jp/#DXVAChecker (need .NET framework 2.0, VC++ 2005 SP1 runtime, XP or Vista) to check if your card has ModeH264_VLD_NoFGT decoder device.
Your files are H264 that can be decode using DXVA (L4.1 ref blah blah you should find these infos around here).
Other than these, DXVA decoder inside MPCHC has history that it does not work well with nvidia hw.
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So am I correct in assuming from recent posts that I should select Haali's Renderer on the Output section over all render modes on WinXP?

I've been using VMR9...
With Haali's renderer you won't get dxva, and you can't use shaders ...
So if it's not a problem, then go for it ... (I'm using Haali's ...)
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Hi,
Did any one here with a mobile GF 8400M GS and got DXVA to work?
I have such card on my Dell Vostro 1400 and I can't get DXVA to work with mpc for h.264 files.
This card is listed as on the compatible list on nVidia site:
http://www.nvidia.de/docs/CP/11086/P...Comparison.pdf
I use Vista 32 SP1, and I tried EVR (regular & Custom), VMR9 Renderless.

Appreciate your help...
I have an 8400 GS and it does work with h264 files.

Have you tried the Overlay Renderer? I just found it uses less resources than VMR9 for me and still runs DVXA with my mkv files.

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Please double check these:
You really have a 8400M GS and not a 8400M G (the latter doesn't have H264 DXVA acceleration). Or use this program http://bluesky23.hp.infoseek.co.jp/#DXVAChecker (need .NET framework 2.0, VC++ 2005 SP1 runtime, XP or Vista) to check if your card has ModeH264_VLD_NoFGT decoder device.
Your files are H264 that can be decode using DXVA (L4.1 ref blah blah you should find these infos around here).
Other than these, DXVA decoder inside MPCHC has history that it does not work well with nvidia hw.
I used the DXVA Checker and my card is compatible (ModeH264_VLD_NoFGT is present).

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I have an 8400 GS and it does work with h264 files.

Have you tried the Overlay Renderer? I just found it uses less resources than VMR9 for me and still runs DVXA with my mkv files.
I didn't try the overlay renderer, I'll try later and post my result.


how can I validate my files are L4.1 compatible?
Thanks...
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Old 14th May 2008, 12:00   #1893  |  Link
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I"d take what leeperry says with a little salt as its *his* situation, and not everyone has the same situation, some do though
HR is indeed the smoothest renderer on PC....but its BT709 matrix is just wrong(it's a problem on both nvidia and ati cards)

so use it in RGB32HQ if you care about smooth playback and correct colors

my colorspace comparison on EVR is valid for all ATi cards and all renderers(except HR), dunno about nvidia..

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Old 14th May 2008, 12:07   #1894  |  Link
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How are you guys managing to use the Haali Renderer without getting tearing problems?

On my XP system with ATI 3850 when using the secondary DVI port, the only way to get rid of tearing is to use the MPC HC Direct3D fullscreen mode. That works great for me. But there's no fullscreen mode available for the Haali Renderer...
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Old 14th May 2008, 12:23   #1895  |  Link
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first try to force VSYNC in CCC.

otherwise try these settings :
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...51#post1137451

tearing is because of CCC it seems.

you could also try to uninstall all your ATi software, then use Driver Cleaner, restart again and only install the 8.4 drivers....not CCC
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Old 14th May 2008, 12:32   #1896  |  Link
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How are you guys managing to use the Haali Renderer without getting tearing problems?

On my XP system with ATI 3850 when using the secondary DVI port, the only way to get rid of tearing is to use the MPC HC Direct3D fullscreen mode. That works great for me. But there's no fullscreen mode available for the Haali Renderer...
I would hazard a guess that setting VSync to "Always on" in Catalyst Control Center should do the trick, since Haali uses D3D as well...
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Old 14th May 2008, 13:45   #1897  |  Link
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Yes it will do the trick but vsync in windowed mode sucks. I've never been able to get smooth playback in windowed with vsync on. This is limitation of windows graphic driver architecture as far as I know.

It will remove tearing that is sure
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Old 14th May 2008, 13:48   #1898  |  Link
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Man, I see all you guys complaining about the washed out picture in vista sp1 with evr custom presenter... did anyone tried the temporary fix I suggested here?
It works just fine for me.
I only use EVR CP because of the DXVA2 for h264 otherwise Haali rules.
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Old 14th May 2008, 14:13   #1899  |  Link
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I bought a copy of Vista that I'm going to dual boot with XP. Is there a way to have two copies of MPC-HC running with different settings, i.e. VMR9 on XP and EVR Custom on Vista?
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Store the settings in an INI file and you can have multiple copies, each with its own settings.
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