Haali Renderer - Page 7

Sirber · 10th May 2006, 20:02

normal, you have to fill the buffer, so your CPU decode like crazy to do it. The bigger the buffer you set, the longer the delay is.

Haali · 11th May 2006, 07:55

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Originally Posted by Sirber

normal, you have to fill the buffer, so your CPU decode like crazy to do it. The bigger the buffer you set, the longer the delay is.

This is incorrect. Playback starts immediately while the decoder can proceed on another thead if it can decode more data. I use a rather high priority for the renderer thread, so it's unlikely that a running decoder prevents the renderer from displaying video. Also ppl with slow startup problem experience the delay only when directx objects are initially created, not when playback starts from stopped state. I think it's some unexpected interaction with the driver or directx that causes such a long delay.

LoRd_MuldeR · 11th May 2006, 08:56

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Originally Posted by Haali

This is incorrect. Playback starts immediately while the decoder can proceed on another thead if it can decode more data. I use a rather high priority for the renderer thread, so it's unlikely that a running decoder prevents the renderer from displaying video. Also ppl with slow startup problem experience the delay only when directx objects are initially created, not when playback starts from stopped state. I think it's some unexpected interaction with the driver or directx that causes such a long delay.

Ist here a way to fix that

B.F. · 11th May 2006, 09:19

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Originally Posted by Haali

This is incorrect. Playback starts immediately while the decoder can proceed on another thead if it can decode more data. I use a rather high priority for the renderer thread, so it's unlikely that a running decoder prevents the renderer from displaying video. Also ppl with slow startup problem experience the delay only when directx objects are initially created, not when playback starts from stopped state. I think it's some unexpected interaction with the driver or directx that causes such a long delay.

Can you make a render priority lower?

Haali · 11th May 2006, 13:09

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Originally Posted by B.F.

Can you make a render priority lower?

I don't want to do that, because the renderer needs to display frames at the requested timestamps. If it had a low priority, then decoding could interfere with that and increase jitter.

Haali · 11th May 2006, 13:11

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Originally Posted by LoRd_MuldeR

Ist here a way to fix that

There probably is, but so far the cause is not clear.

celtic_druid · 11th May 2006, 14:20

Unfortunatly I changed too much in my system to determine what exactly fixed the problem here.
Different video cards.
Different CPU.
Different MB chipsets.

LoRd_MuldeR · 11th May 2006, 15:13

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Originally Posted by Haali

There probably is, but so far the cause is not clear.

Is there any way I can help to find the problem ???

mike_lee · 11th May 2006, 15:45

Haali, I'm like a big fan - haha, to me you are a rock star - I don't know why I got that impression :-)
Anyway, I am trying to use my new PC with g a eforce 7900 GTX card. I like ffdshow because I can change image settings (using ffpresets) on the fly. I have to moniter and review a lot of video clips at once. At around 6 clips the screen starts to get cluttered and the processors start to lag. However, using the haali renderer, which looks better to my eyes then vmr9, I can no longer tweak the ffdshow filters in real time, there is quite a delay between the time you move a fader inside ffdshow (picture properties, gamma, saturation etc) and the time the clip responds. So I wonder if you have any suggestions?

Keep up the good work.

mike_lee · 11th May 2006, 15:45

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Haali · 11th May 2006, 19:51

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Originally Posted by mike_lee

Haali, I'm like a big fan - haha, to me you are a rock star - I don't know why I got that impression :-)
Anyway, I am trying to use my new PC with g a eforce 7900 GTX card. I like ffdshow because I can change image settings (using ffpresets) on the fly. I have to moniter and review a lot of video clips at once. At around 6 clips the screen starts to get cluttered and the processors start to lag. However, using the haali renderer, which looks better to my eyes then vmr9, I can no longer tweak the ffdshow filters in real time, there is quite a delay between the time you move a fader inside ffdshow (picture properties, gamma, saturation etc) and the time the clip responds. So I wonder if you have any suggestions?

Decrease memory buffer size in renderer options.

B.F. · 12th May 2006, 02:18

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Originally Posted by Haali

I don't want to do that, because the renderer needs to display frames at the requested timestamps. If it had a low priority, then decoding could interfere with that and increase jitter.

Then how about make priority control like in VDub?

Haali · 12th May 2006, 08:11

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Originally Posted by B.F.

Then how about make priority control like in VDub?

I don't understand why would anyone deliberately set up a system in such a way that frames can be displayed at a wrong time. It's essential for correct presentation that rendering is not delayed by other activity, especially since my renderer does this on a separate thread, and not on the decoder thread, where the decoder is suspended while waiting for presentation time. It is not some background encoding after all.

B.F. · 12th May 2006, 09:08

Just for test.

And I don't think too high priority is a good idea.

P.S.
Maybe you separate render progect from the splitter?

LoRd_MuldeR · 19th June 2006, 22:02

Any news on the "player freezes for 15 sec on the start of playback" bug ???

Haali · 19th June 2006, 22:29

Not yet. So far I couldn't reproduce this. If someone relibaly hits the bug, please contact me via pm.

mike_lee · 20th June 2006, 11:15

haali renderer has become my default. video looks better and since I have a large (too large) monitor the resizing superiority really made a huge difference.

Good job man.

Esc · 27th June 2006, 17:36

MPC 6.4.9.0 + Haali Renderer = black screen
Any video codec (tested with Divx and AVC)
NVidia GeForce FX 5200
WinXP SP2
Any ideas why?

Egh · 27th June 2006, 19:31

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Originally Posted by Esc

MPC 6.4.9.0 + Haali Renderer = black screen
Any video codec (tested with Divx and AVC)
NVidia GeForce FX 5200
WinXP SP2
Any ideas why?

Sure you forced RGB32 output, comrade? Besides, FX5200 is way too low to really use Haali renderer. I have FX5500 here, and +15-20% OCed. Still software resizer works faster.

Sirber · 27th June 2006, 22:08

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Originally Posted by mike_lee

haali renderer has become my default. video looks better and since I have a large (too large) monitor the resizing superiority really made a huge difference.

Good job man.

is it better than WMR9 + Bicubic (-1.00, PS2)?

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celtic_druid Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,171	Unfortunatly I changed too much in my system to determine what exactly fixed the problem here. Different video cards. Different CPU. Different MB chipsets.

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mike_lee Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 106	Haali, I'm like a big fan - haha, to me you are a rock star - I don't know why I got that impression :-) Anyway, I am trying to use my new PC with g a eforce 7900 GTX card. I like ffdshow because I can change image settings (using ffpresets) on the fly. I have to moniter and review a lot of video clips at once. At around 6 clips the screen starts to get cluttered and the processors start to lag. However, using the haali renderer, which looks better to my eyes then vmr9, I can no longer tweak the ffdshow filters in real time, there is quite a delay between the time you move a fader inside ffdshow (picture properties, gamma, saturation etc) and the time the clip responds. So I wonder if you have any suggestions? Keep up the good work.

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mike_lee Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 106	- - - Dp - - -

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Haali Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 282	Not yet. So far I couldn't reproduce this. If someone relibaly hits the bug, please contact me via pm.

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mike_lee Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 106	haali renderer has become my default. video looks better and since I have a large (too large) monitor the resizing superiority really made a huge difference. Good job man.

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Esc Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 74	MPC 6.4.9.0 + Haali Renderer = black screen Any video codec (tested with Divx and AVC) NVidia GeForce FX 5200 WinXP SP2 Any ideas why?