Welcome to Doom9's Forum, THE in-place to be for everyone interested in DVD conversion. Before you start posting please read the forum rules. By posting to this forum you agree to abide by the rules. |
7th March 2011, 02:50 | #302 | Link | |
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 335
|
Quote:
If I have to choose between:- a. superior image quality during video playback. b. 'better' looking seekbar ripped straight from WMP12. the choice is obvious. Remember, developers' resources are limited. |
|
7th March 2011, 03:21 | #303 | Link |
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,229
|
While I do agree with Ranpha to a degree, it depends on what you want MPC to be. If you want it to be a player used by a few people who like the functionality on Doom9, then the interface is fine. However, for the typical user, an attractive media player is important, then that way more people can take advantage of the image quality (with advanced settings at one point possibly becoming reliable enough to be made default)...
|
7th March 2011, 04:08 | #304 | Link |
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 335
|
Well, if aesthetic interface is really important, there is PotPlayer, that is fully skinnable, and has almost everything MPC-HC has except decent subtitle engine that is usable with DXVA. There is a thread about it here in doom9 too, therefore I think it is a valid alternative video player for those who want shiny GUI.
MPC-HC itself has their own share of problems that isn't related to the GUI I would like the developers to work on them. As of build 2903, the IQ for EVR custom presenter is still not up to par with madVR for example. |
7th March 2011, 11:37 | #306 | Link |
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,229
|
I wasn't suggesting the current developers work on the GUI, its something that can be done separately. In this thread we can throw around ideas of what it could look like, and work towards the basic layout. I'm sure there are people here that can put whats discussed into a working design. I'm not talking about basic buttons etc, I'm referring to more 'Windows 7' oriented designs and 'controls' usage.
We're not looking for a radical change, just something simple yet attractive and functional that won't be a put off to new users simply because its (in computer terms) ancient. Like ranpha said, there are other players that people would see as just as functional which are more modern looking, I just see the current interface as something which will greatly deter people from using it - it would be a shame for Mplayerc to wither away just because the interface meant few users using it. |
7th March 2011, 12:11 | #307 | Link |
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 19
|
Windows 7 Taskbar Controls (WMP's defaults)
1. Download this PNG: 2. Use Restorator or ResHacker to edit mpc-hc.exe: 3. Result: Link: Restorator Reshaker |
7th March 2011, 12:16 | #308 | Link |
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 335
|
If 'Windows 7 oriented designs' means those alpha-blending transparency, it can already be done with third-party programs, if you so choose. You can make your own toolbar.bmp if you don't like the default buttons and volume sliders. You can use 'Windows and Colors Appearance' toolset in Windows to change title-bar background color, typeface and fonts.
MPC-HC will not wither away just because of its default GUI. This programs is the default player in so many codec packs, it wasn't even funny. MPC-HC will only be abandoned if there are no developments in it happening, which doesn't seem to be the case for now. Rarely I seen people switching away from MPC-HC because of its GUI. More often than not, such things happened if MPC-HC doesn't have the functions they wants. |
7th March 2011, 12:28 | #309 | Link |
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 19
|
Windows 7 Taskbar Controls (WMP12's default)
1. Download this PNG: 2. Download ResHacker or Restorator and open "mpc-hc.exe" to replace the default one: 3. Result: |
7th March 2011, 14:56 | #310 | Link | |
quack quack
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 259
|
Quote:
I will link it again... 1) MPC-HC STOCK SCREENSHOT 2) MPC-HC PROPOSED UPDATE MOCK-UP It is specifically a visual change only so anyone willing to make something like this happen will not have to worry about coding any core functionality. |
|
7th March 2011, 15:15 | #311 | Link |
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,229
|
Well, for the moment one of the current modded toolbars, or a new one, could be implemented. The timeframe for the new GUI would be quite a while I'd imagine, if one ever is implemented. Realistically though, consider what they're talking about with the new Windows 8 Gui, MPC-HC will look chronically outdated by then.
The argument about MPC-HC being in codec packs is a good point, however the average user can't distinguish between the very first build of the MPC-HC branch, and the latest (apart from the buildnumber). The problem is, there are people out there with 8 month old copies, 1.5 yr old copies, 3 yr old copies,... or even one of the original MPC, which depsite having lots of builds (dozens? more?) they all had identical version numbers! I see a new GUI as away for everyone to get the latest MPC-HC, as it will be obvious! in the meantime, the toolbar update would be beneficial, especially if combined with a basic updater. Although belonging more to the normal discussion thread, I do see at least a toolbar update + updater as being beneficial. Remember, most people out there actually fully rely on auto-updates. If they didn't have autoupdates turned on, things simply wouldn't be updated. |
7th March 2011, 17:14 | #312 | Link | |
Beyond the Corn Border
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: 4th Roman Empire
Posts: 93
|
For those who did not see my old mod because of the drop.io shut down, here's one screenshot (click to open real size):
And a recap to why i did it: Quote:
Beauty is an indispensable drug for our souls. And like any drug, too much might actually hurt. When I look at "functional" software these days, I find the level of bloat to be disturbing. Most antivirus programs have guis far more "prettier" than mpc-hc has, but it should be the other way around as those should keep a simple gui. And then there are programs that bloat the gui to hide the crap from under the hood - like fancy interface for some retarded batch scripts that steal all the credits deserved by the bundled open source command line tools - Made for suckers (TM). MPC-HC will not appeal to those... Speaking of WMP12, all it's strengths faded out rather quick the first time I had contact with it because of the show-stopper pop-up volume control. I'm glad Microsoft listened and silently changed it into an always visible one. Now it stands out from the pack. Windows 7 on the whole is less of a mess that Microsoft did with all those alternative looks inconsistencies. I highly recommend Classic Shell (screenshot) with it, for the added functionality, available choices and not the least, looks. All this fighting against modification tends to discourage developers, but I intend to mod it again once the core code gets stabilized. You might dislike my acquired taste, but nobody will force you to use it. |
|
7th March 2011, 17:14 | #313 | Link |
MPC-HC Project Manager
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,317
|
Just to be clear here.
MPC-HC does not have any active developers. All patches committed are given to us by end-users. This thread is intended to discuss how to get code into mpc-hc, code written by one of the many end users, that add's gui customisation to a level similar to foobar2000.
__________________
MPC-HC, an open source project everyone can improve. Want to help? Test Nightly Builds, submit patches or bugs and chat on IRC |
7th March 2011, 19:31 | #314 | Link | |||
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 335
|
Quote:
Quote:
Antivirus programs should also have less GUI because they are usually a TSR application. Quote:
The above is the default look for WMP12. Sorry to say, but this interface is crap. Same can also be said for iTunes. Standing out from the pack? Not for me. I don't think it is prudent for you to try to speak for the human race, unless you have empirical proof. Well, if you want to code it in, the said feature should be made optional. Even Splash Player SmartSeek seekbar feature is optional, that can be turned off if anyone doesn't like it. |
|||
7th March 2011, 19:54 | #315 | Link |
Banned
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: PA, US
Posts: 683
|
Use a different player, keep MPC-HC the same. What is aesthetically pleasing for one person doesn't mean it will be so for everyone. Every modded screenshot everyone has posted here is just ugly. I can speak for the human race and say that fewer people don't care how it looks now than there would be if idiots started making it all fluffy and modern-looking.
|
7th March 2011, 20:19 | #317 | Link |
Banned
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: PA, US
Posts: 683
|
If you rely on MPC's internal filters then you are screwed. Anything MPC does can easily be duplicated with Directshow filters (Haali, ffdshow.) I have MPC but I don't even rely on its internal filters. I use it to watch video, I don't look and stare at what my player looks like.
|
7th March 2011, 22:26 | #318 | Link | |
Beyond the Corn Border
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: 4th Roman Empire
Posts: 93
|
You can't expect that the whole world stand still just because you don't like/are too afraid of/are incapable of changing your long time habits - even if it's about a keyboard shortcut that needs just a few days to get used to it. Rant all you want, but changes are inevitable (and most of the times beneficial to your brain). How many people are out there, still using Windows 9X? How about 2K? XP will fade out soon, too.
Like it or not, this piece of work (MPC-HC) addresses everybody, not just a few "elitists" that arrogated themselves the right to ban any attempt to "fluffy-lize" a little the default gui, while stating that the gui is not important, because most of the time they don't even look at it. Well I for one, don't have the luxury to watch a movie for a few hours without interruptions, so I do see the gui. And the default bars are burning my screen and my eyes. Anyway, at the current state it will not live on much more, because the competition is higher than ever these days. Quote:
- it's just my personal opinion, nursed from empirical proofs that I am a human being. This can go both ways if I ever need to predict, observe or define other human being's behaviors. For such common, axiomatic observations, there is no point in going to mathematical proofs but the evidence is there if needed. Anyway, I'm not trying to shut everyone up like you do... - how many quotes from this thread do you need to get it that's not about WMP12's library mode? Rhetorical question I hope you are referring exclusively to Made for suckers (TM) stuff. This is nothing new, it happened since the beginning of time in one way or another, from colored glass to tin foil hats or apple logos on a phone. You've got your facts reversed, the ones that buy the bad products are the idiots, not the creators. The sooner you understand that the vast majority of human beings are idiots (me included), the better. |
|
7th March 2011, 22:33 | #319 | Link |
Banned
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: PA, US
Posts: 683
|
So go buy some bad products that look flashy to watch your video. I watch video CONSTANTLY, and I don't bitch about this "outdated" GUI. It's not "outdated" it's just not your style. You just stated you don't have the "luxury" to watch a movie without interruptions, whatever that has to do with watching it fullscreen, I have no idea, at least you called yourself an idiot at the end of your post.
I was referring to... More people are happy with MPC-HC because of its features than are unhappy with how it is supposedly un-modern. They don't bitch about the looks. It's for playing video, not looking snazzy. Make it look all fluffy and people will just branch off their own version again to keep with the old style. |
7th March 2011, 23:04 | #320 | Link |
Registered User
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 335
|
It IS outdated. EXTREMELY outdated. It uses visual schemes and button icons from 1995!
That being said, it does not affect it's greatness. It is, indeed, the best player around. But the truth is, in a modern OS, MPC-HC sticks out as a sore thumb. It just doesn't fit. You don't need to revamp the whole thing, just make it look like it belongs. Or you want it to end up joining the glee club? |
Tags |
mpc-hc |
|
|