Welcome to Doom9's Forum, THE in-place to be for everyone interested in DVD conversion.

Before you start posting please read the forum rules. By posting to this forum you agree to abide by the rules.

 

Go Back   Doom9's Forum > Capturing and Editing Video > Capturing Video

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 20th October 2024, 18:08   #21  |  Link
eXtremeDevil
Registered User
 
eXtremeDevil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 212
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharc View Post
Legacy DVD recorders encode the video on the fly as mpeg2 with all its compromises. While being a simple process and giving for some users an acceptable quality, it is clearly inferior compared to making a lossless capture, post process it (denoising, deinterlacing, color and levels adjustments etc.) and then encode it offline using an advanced encoder like x264 / AVC or x265 HEVC. Of course the more elaborate procedure has its pitfalls one has to be aware of and know how to cope with for producing decent results.

Post processing mpeg2 recorded stuff requires re-encoding which once more is a quality hit. An option would be to use take the digitized signal from the HDMI output (if available) of the recorder.
This. In any case, RetsimLegin, I'm planning on watching the capture later to see if there was any errors, so I can try again.

You guys thinks DVR HDMI out would have better quality than S-Video out, given the analog source and how is taken from the VHS, a SCART/composite cable?
eXtremeDevil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th October 2024, 18:36   #22  |  Link
Sharc
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 4,026
Quote:
Originally Posted by eXtremeDevil View Post
You guys thinks DVR HDMI out would have better quality than S-Video out, ....
Not really, but it saves an D/A and A/D conversion step.
For more info read and translate from here:
https://gleitz.info/forum/index.php?...en-und-andere/
Sharc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th October 2024, 18:40   #23  |  Link
eXtremeDevil
Registered User
 
eXtremeDevil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 212
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharc View Post
Not really, but it saves an D/A and A/D conversion step.
For more info read and translate from here:
https://gleitz.info/forum/index.php?...en-und-andere/
I'll have to translate that and read it, thanks

EDIT

After a quick look, given that I don't have a S-VHS player, or any particular high quality cables, and since I would have to buy at least to new devices, a HDMI capture device and a HDMI splitter, and I don't want to spend much on it, I guess it won't be worth the quality difference.

Last edited by eXtremeDevil; 20th October 2024 at 18:46.
eXtremeDevil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th October 2024, 22:23   #24  |  Link
Sharc
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 4,026
Quote:
Originally Posted by eXtremeDevil View Post
I'll have to translate that and read it, thanks

EDIT

After a quick look, given that I don't have a S-VHS player, or any particular high quality cables, and since I would have to buy at least to new devices, a HDMI capture device and a HDMI splitter, and I don't want to spend much on it, I guess it won't be worth the quality difference.
Agree.
Sharc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21st October 2024, 09:01   #25  |  Link
eXtremeDevil
Registered User
 
eXtremeDevil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 212
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharc View Post
Agree.
Thanks for your thoughts!
eXtremeDevil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21st October 2024, 21:23   #26  |  Link
lollo2
Registered User
 
lollo2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Italy
Posts: 124
Quote:
Originally Posted by RetsimLegin View Post
a) a high (max) bitrate (= high "quality") minimises these to what I'd consider practically indistinguishable from lossless
Never. Here a comparison, using the best quality DVD Recorder https://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/vid...-device-3.html
For other recorders, the gap is higher.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RetsimLegin View Post
b) and in any case the source here is (S-)VHS which is intrinsically a massive compromise. You can't make a silk purse, as they say.
Not at all. S-VHS (and VHS) looks nice if captured properly. Have a look here (and consider that YouTube degrades the video) https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/...eo#post2654664

Quote:
Originally Posted by RetsimLegin View Post
And there is no such thing as lossless capture. The very fact of sampling an analog signal, regardless of where it's done, is liable to cause something. Now, how good is that capture card/dongle?
You are confusing A/D conversion and codec. The first has small impact if done by proper hardware, i.e. looking a well digitized signal on a modern player is not worse than whatching the analog output signal from the VCR on a legacy CRT. The codec (lossless versus crap MPEG2 at standard bitrate or versus DV) plays a significant role, especially if further restoration is planned.
__________________
A channel on S-VHS / VHS capture and AviSynth restoration https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMs...h1MmNAs7I8nu4g

Last edited by lollo2; 21st October 2024 at 21:26.
lollo2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21st October 2024, 22:10   #27  |  Link
eXtremeDevil
Registered User
 
eXtremeDevil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 212
Very well explained!
eXtremeDevil is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 07:56.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.