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Old 16th August 2015, 19:18   #561  |  Link
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CRF is attempting constant quality, not constant bitrate. It is totally normal for different movies to also end up with different file sizes (even if their durations are identical). Some movies are easier to compress than others.
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OK, thanks. So LK with 5 GB should still be equal quality compared to the original as Avatar with 23 GB?

By the way, I did not see where BD3D2MK3D shows the estimated file size before ripping. Did I miss a button? Where does it show this?
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Hi!


This is what I get from app consol:
"*** Welcome to BD3D2MK3D v0.71
***************************************

*** Opening BD disc I:\...
*** Filtering 157 MPLS files...
*** 4 3D MPLS files loaded.
*** BD disc I:\ opened successfully. 4 3D playlists loaded.
() 1 % dir
invalid command name "dir"
(BD3D2MK3D v0.70) 2 % DIR
invalid command name "DIR"
*** invalid character "*"
in expression "round (71*222*579*200 / 1024.0..."
(BD3D2MK3D v0.70) 3 % DIR
invalid command name "DIR"
(BD3D2MK3D v0.70) 4 % "


And I tryed to get into I: via windows command promt, but cant, all I get is:
"Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. Med ensamrätt.

C:\Users\RWDA2011>cd..

C:\Users>cd..

C:\>cd I:
I:\

C:\>cd I:
I:\

C:\>cd I:\

C:\>"


please help!


P.S With BD3D2MK3D v0.66 demux without error msg. works 100%!

P.S.S but with use of "proc GetFreeDiscSpace {} {return 1000000000000}" command in v.070, NO subtitles were added thou I checked them in BD3D2MK3D! :/



"*** Welcome to BD3D2MK3D v0.71
***************************************

*** Opening BD disc I:\...
*** Filtering 157 MPLS files...
*** 4 3D MPLS files loaded.
*** BD disc I:\ opened successfully. 4 3D playlists loaded.
() 1 % dir
invalid command name "dir"
(BD3D2MK3D v0.70) 2 % DIR
invalid command name "DIR"
*** invalid character "*"
in expression "round (71*222*579*200 / 1024.0..."
(BD3D2MK3D v0.70) 3 % DIR
invalid command name "DIR"
(BD3D2MK3D v0.70) 4 % proc GetFreeDiscSpace {} {return 1000000000000}
*** Preview 00010.mpls...
***************************************

*** Opening BD disc I:\...
*** Filtering 157 MPLS files...
*** 4 3D MPLS files loaded.
*** BD disc I:\ opened successfully. 4 3D playlists loaded.

*******************************************************************************

Main job started Sun Aug 16 21:53:06 CEST 2015.

Saving file "00010.demux.meta"...
Saving file "chapters_2D_no_delay.txt"...
Saving file "chapters_2D_no_delay.qpfile"...
Saving file "chapters_3D_delay.txt"...
Saving file "chapters_3D.qpfile"...

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

*** Demuxing the streams...
Network Optix tsMuxeR. Version 2.6.9. www.networkoptix.com
Decoding H264 stream (track 1): Profile: High@4.1 Resolution: 1920:1080p Frame rate: 23.976
H.264 muxing fps is not set. Get fps from stream. Value: 23.976
Decoding H264 stream (track 2): H.264/MVC Views: 2 Profile: High@4.1 Resolution: 1920:1080p Frame rate: 23.976
MVC muxing fps is not set. Get fps from stream. Value: 23.976
Decoding TRUE-HD stream (track 3): AC3 core+TRUE-HD. Peak bitrate: 7116Kbps (core 640Kbps) Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 7.1
Decoding PGS stream (track 4): Resolution: 1920:1080 Frame rate: 23.976
Decoding PGS stream (track 5): Resolution: 1920:1080 Frame rate: 23.976
Decoding PGS stream (track 6): Resolution: 1920:1080 Frame rate: 23.976
TRUE-HD stream (track 3): overlapped frame detected at position 00:51:57,568. Remove frame.
TRUE-HD stream (track 3): overlapped frame detected at position 00:56:48,896. Remove frame.
TRUE-HD stream (track 3): overlapped frame detected at position 01:11:58,336. Remove frame.
Processed 171169 video frames
Processed 171169 video frames
Flushing write buffer
Demux complete.
Demuxing time: 10 min 6 sec

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

*** Retrieving audio delays from playlist 00010.mpls...
All audio streams have no delay.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

*** Extracting 3D-planes from MVC stream...
Extraction of 3D-planes from MVC file with BD3D2MK3D v0.71 (c) r0lZ and MVCPlanes v1.2 (c) 2014 by Nico8583
Input MVC file: "00010.track_4114.mvc"
Output folder: "."
Command: "C:\BD3D2MK3D v0.70\toolset\MVCPlanes.exe" "00010.track_4114.mvc" "."

Searching 3D-Planes ...
Done
Searching and removing empty 3D-Planes...
Plane #00 :
Minimum depth : 0
Maximum depth : 25
Average depth : 6,8
First frame with a defined depth : 989
Last frame with a defined depth : 155028
Number of frames with undefined depth : 17129
Identical planes : None
Plane #01 :
Minimum depth : -3
Maximum depth : 27
Average depth : 6,23
First frame with a defined depth : 989
Last frame with a defined depth : 155103
Number of frames with undefined depth : 17054
Identical planes : None
Plane #02 :
Minimum depth : -2
Maximum depth : 26
Average depth : 6,47
First frame with a defined depth : 986
Last frame with a defined depth : 155019
Number of frames with undefined depth : 17636
Identical planes : None
Empty 3D-Plane #03 removed
Empty 3D-Plane #04 removed
Empty 3D-Plane #05 removed
Empty 3D-Plane #06 removed
Empty 3D-Plane #07 removed
Empty 3D-Plane #08 removed
Empty 3D-Plane #09 removed
Empty 3D-Plane #10 removed
Empty 3D-Plane #11 removed
Empty 3D-Plane #12 removed
Empty 3D-Plane #13 removed
Empty 3D-Plane #14 removed
Empty 3D-Plane #15 removed
Empty 3D-Plane #16 removed
Empty 3D-Plane #17 removed
Empty 3D-Plane #18 removed
Empty 3D-Plane #19 removed
Empty 3D-Plane #20 removed
Empty 3D-Plane #21 removed
Empty 3D-Plane #22 removed
Empty 3D-Plane #23 removed
Empty 3D-Plane #24 removed
Empty 3D-Plane #25 removed
Empty 3D-Plane #26 removed
Empty 3D-Plane #27 removed
Empty 3D-Plane #28 removed
Empty 3D-Plane #29 removed
Empty 3D-Plane #30 removed
Empty 3D-Plane #31 removed
Number of 3D-Planes in MVC stream : 32
Number of 3D-Planes written : 3
Number of frames : 171169
Framerate : 23.976
Extraction took 128 seconds (00:02:08)
Extracted 3 3D-planes with 171169 frames @ 23.976 fps.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

*** Converting "00010.track_4608.Eng.sup" to 3D VobSub. Please wait!
*** Converting subtitle file "00010.track_4608.Eng.sup" to 3D SBS using 3D-plane "3D-Plane-00.3dp" and additional depth 4...
Subtitle language: eng (English)
*** Converting subtitle "00010.track_4608.Eng.sup" to "temp_2D.xml"...
> "C:\\ProgramData\\Oracle\\Java\\javapath\\java.exe" -Xmx256m -jar "C:\\BD3D2MK3D v0.70\\toolset\\BDSup2Sub.jar" "00010.track_4608.Eng.sup" -o "00010.track_4608.Eng.3D_2D/temp_2D.xml" --palette-mode keep --minimum-time 1 --language en --convert-fps 24p,24p --move-out-ratio 2.39 --move-y-offset 4
* BDSup2Sub "temp_2D.xml": ERROR: Unrecognized option: --move-out-ratio
ERROR: Unrecognized option: --move-out-ratio
child process exited abnormally
*** BDSup2Sub close error: child process exited abnormally
child process exited abnormally. No captions in subtitle stream?
*** Found 0 captions, including 0 forced captions.
ERROR: Can't convert "00010.track_4608.Eng.sup" to XML/PNG format!
Deleting temp directory "00010.track_4608.Eng.3D_2D".
* Can't convert "00010.track_4608.Eng.sup" to 3D VobSub!

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

*** Converting "00010.track_4608.Eng.sup" to 2D VobSub. Please wait!
No captions found in "00010.track_4608.Eng.sup" or conversion error. Stream skipped.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

* Conversion of the forced captions of stream "00010.track_4608.Eng.sup" skipped,
because there are no forced subtitles in stream.
File "00010.track_4608.Eng_forced.2D.idx" not generated.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

*** Converting "00010.track_4609.Eng.sup" to 3D VobSub. Please wait!
*** Converting subtitle file "00010.track_4609.Eng.sup" to 3D SBS using 3D-plane "3D-Plane-01.3dp" and additional depth 4...
Subtitle language: eng (English)
*** Converting subtitle "00010.track_4609.Eng.sup" to "temp_2D.xml"...
> "C:\\ProgramData\\Oracle\\Java\\javapath\\java.exe" -Xmx256m -jar "C:\\BD3D2MK3D v0.70\\toolset\\BDSup2Sub.jar" "00010.track_4609.Eng.sup" -o "00010.track_4609.Eng.3D_2D/temp_2D.xml" --palette-mode keep --minimum-time 1 --language en --convert-fps 24p,24p --move-out-ratio 2.39 --move-y-offset 4
* BDSup2Sub "temp_2D.xml": ERROR: Unrecognized option: --move-out-ratio
ERROR: Unrecognized option: --move-out-ratio
child process exited abnormally
*** BDSup2Sub close error: child process exited abnormally
child process exited abnormally. No captions in subtitle stream?
*** Found 0 captions, including 0 forced captions.
ERROR: Can't convert "00010.track_4609.Eng.sup" to XML/PNG format!
Deleting temp directory "00010.track_4609.Eng.3D_2D".
* Can't convert "00010.track_4609.Eng.sup" to 3D VobSub!

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

*** Converting "00010.track_4609.Eng.sup" to 2D VobSub. Please wait!
No captions found in "00010.track_4609.Eng.sup" or conversion error. Stream skipped.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

* Conversion of the forced captions of stream "00010.track_4609.Eng.sup" skipped,
because there are no forced subtitles in stream.
File "00010.track_4609.Eng_forced.2D.idx" not generated.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

*** Converting "00010.track_4610.Spa.sup" to 3D VobSub. Please wait!
*** Converting subtitle file "00010.track_4610.Spa.sup" to 3D SBS using 3D-plane "3D-Plane-02.3dp" and additional depth 4...
Subtitle language: spa (Spanish)
*** Converting subtitle "00010.track_4610.Spa.sup" to "temp_2D.xml"...
> "C:\\ProgramData\\Oracle\\Java\\javapath\\java.exe" -Xmx256m -jar "C:\\BD3D2MK3D v0.70\\toolset\\BDSup2Sub.jar" "00010.track_4610.Spa.sup" -o "00010.track_4610.Spa.3D_2D/temp_2D.xml" --palette-mode keep --minimum-time 1 --language es --convert-fps 24p,24p --move-out-ratio 2.39 --move-y-offset 4
* BDSup2Sub "temp_2D.xml": ERROR: Unrecognized option: --move-out-ratio
ERROR: Unrecognized option: --move-out-ratio
child process exited abnormally
*** BDSup2Sub close error: child process exited abnormally
child process exited abnormally. No captions in subtitle stream?
*** Found 0 captions, including 0 forced captions.
ERROR: Can't convert "00010.track_4610.Spa.sup" to XML/PNG format!
Deleting temp directory "00010.track_4610.Spa.3D_2D".
* Can't convert "00010.track_4610.Spa.sup" to 3D VobSub!

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

*** Converting "00010.track_4610.Spa.sup" to 2D VobSub. Please wait!
No captions found in "00010.track_4610.Spa.sup" or conversion error. Stream skipped.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

* Conversion of the forced captions of stream "00010.track_4610.Spa.sup" skipped,
because there are no forced subtitles in stream.
File "00010.track_4610.Spa_forced.2D.idx" not generated.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

*** Generating the avisynth script...

*** Saving "_ENCODE_3D_MOVIE.avs"...
Saving file "_ENCODE_3D_MOVIE.avs"...
*** Generating the batch files...

*** Saving "_ENCODE.cmd"
x264 command:
"C:\BD3D2MK3D v0.70\toolset\avs2yuv.exe" ^
"_ENCODE_3D_MOVIE.avs" -frames 171169 -o - ^
| "C:\BD3D2MK3D v0.70\toolset\x264_x64.exe" ^
--bitrate 10000 --pass 1 --stats "00010.stats" ^
--preset slower --level 4.1 --vbv-bufsize 78125 --vbv-maxrate 62500 ^
--keyint 96 ^
--frame-packing 3 --qpfile chapters_3D.qpfile --frames 171169 --fps 24000/1001 ^
--output "00010.264" --demuxer y4m --stdin y4m -
"C:\BD3D2MK3D v0.70\toolset\avs2yuv.exe" ^
"_ENCODE_3D_MOVIE.avs" -frames 171169 -o - ^
| "C:\BD3D2MK3D v0.70\toolset\x264_x64.exe" ^
--bitrate 10000 --pass 2 --stats "00010.stats" ^
--preset slower --level 4.1 --vbv-bufsize 78125 --vbv-maxrate 62500 ^
--keyint 96 ^
--frame-packing 3 --qpfile chapters_3D.qpfile --frames 171169 --fps 24000/1001 ^
--output "00010.264" --demuxer y4m --stdin y4m -

*** Saving "tags.xml"

> x264_x64.exe --version
x264 0.148.2579 73ae2d1
(libswscale 3.1.101)
(libavformat 56.40.101)
(ffmpegsource 2.17.4.0)
built by Komisar on Jul 31 2015, gcc: 4.8.4 (multilib.generic.Komisar)
x264 configuration: --bit-depth=8 --chroma-format=all
libx264 configuration: --bit-depth=8 --chroma-format=all
x264 license: GPL version 2 or later
libswscale/libavformat/ffmpegsource license: GPL version 2 or later


*** Saving "_MUX_3D.cmd"

*** Saving "_MUX_3D_OPTIONS.txt"
*** Adding attachments...

*** Saving "_MUX_2D.cmd" and "_MUX_2D_OPTIONS.txt"

*** Saving "_POSTPROCESS.cmd"
*** Done. Avisynth script and batch files generated.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Job finished Sun Aug 16 22:05:35 CEST 2015

Done with warnings!

* Can't convert "00010.track_4608.Eng.sup" to 3D VobSub!
* No forced captions in "00010.track_4608.Eng_forced.2D.idx". Stream skipped.
* Can't convert "00010.track_4609.Eng.sup" to 3D VobSub!
* No forced captions in "00010.track_4609.Eng_forced.2D.idx". Stream skipped.
* Can't convert "00010.track_4610.Spa.sup" to 3D VobSub!
* No forced captions in "00010.track_4610.Spa_forced.2D.idx". Stream skipped.

Launch "_ENCODE.cmd" to encode the video (and optionally mux to MKV).

*******************************************************************************
(BD3D2MK3D v0.70) 5 %
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Damn! Again an invalid character in the string returned by the DOS command DIR.

Can you please open a command prompt, then CD to your HDD containing the project, and type DIR.
Then, copy the output here. I'll try to understand what's wrong.

In the meantime, you can simply open the console (with File -> Show Console), and paste this code in the console:
Code:
proc GetFreeDiscSpace {} {return 1000000000000}
Then press Enter. You can now close the console if you wish.

That will disable the check for the available disc space, and you should be able to generate the project without problem. But be sure to verify if you have enough disc space manually!

And don't forget to apply the same trick if you close BD3D2MK3D and re-open it. The change is not permanent.

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r0IZ, I use CRF 16 all the time, but with very different results in file size. Avatar ended up with 23,85GB, but Lion King ended up with only 5,14GB. With exactly the same settings. Now I know LK is 1:29h and Avatar is 2:42h, but even if you double the GB of LK, you still don't get to 23 GB, so what am I missing here?

I have 6TB of LaCie storage, so I am more worried about the quality of the LK file, then I am about the space that Avatar takes up, but some more explanation would help my future rip decisions.

Hope you can enlighten me on this.
The difference is that Avatar is a live movie, with many details and fast action scenes. Everything in that film is difficult to compress without losing quality.

In the other hand, the Lion King is traditional animation in the "ligne claire" style, with large areas of flat colour. That's extremely easy to compress, with only a small quality loss. That kind of traditional hand drawn animation is the best example of movies easy to encode with a low bitrate. Especially if the image is clean because it has been released digitally or if the movie has been restored and much of the noise (always difficult to encode) has already been filtered.

Between those two extremes, there is CGI animation (like the Pixar films), also easy to encode because the images are clean and without noise, but a little bit more difficult than traditional animation because there are less large flat areas.

In all cases, encoding in CRF mode gives an equivalent quality, but with very different bitrates.

BTW, it's one of the interests to use CRF instead of 2-pass. If you use the same CRF value for different films, you will always obtain a similar quality (dependent also, of course, of the quality of the source). When you encode in 2-pass, you may give a too low bitrate when you encode Avatar, and end up with a badly encoded movie, and you will almost certainly give a too high bitrate to Lion King, and obtain an excellent quality, but an unnecessarily big file. It's why IMO it is totally wrong to think that you must use a certain bitrate to obtain a good quality. The bitrate to use depends of the movie, and the CRF mode is smart enough to evaluate it for you, intelligently.

Again, IMO, 2-pass should be used only when encoding for a target file size, like when you want to put the MKV on a DVD-R.

And trust your eyes. Can you see badly encoded images in The Lion King (when playing back the film at the normal speed)? No? That means that 5 GB is enough for that movie.

(I have already explained recently in this thread why CRF gives very different bitrates like what you have observed, and why encoding in 2-pass is usually not a good idea. I'm too lazy to search the post now, but it was this summer, and you should find it easily if you need more info.)

[EDIT] I have not noticed page 29 of this thread, so I have typed this long reply. sneaker_ger has explained the same thing in one sentence!

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By the way, I did not see where BD3D2MK3D shows the estimated file size before ripping. Did I miss a button? Where does it show this?
When you encode in 2-pass or ABR AND with the option to specify the file size instead of the bitrate, BD3D2MK3D computes the bitrate after the demux operation and the audio and subtitle conversions (because it needs the to know the size of the final audio and subtitle files). It shows you the computed bitrate in the last dialog. The content of that dialog is also printed in the console and copied to the BD3D2MK3D.log file. Of course, you can also see the bitrate in the x264 command in _ENCODE.cmd.

When encoding in CBR mode, the bitrate doesn't need to be computed.
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C:\>cd I:
I:\
To change the CD, you must use this:
> CD I:\
> I:
The second command sets the current drive to I:

You can also use:
> CD /D I:\
Where the /D options informs the CD command to change also the current drive.

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*** Converting subtitle "00010.track_4608.Eng.sup" to "temp_2D.xml"...
> "C:\\ProgramData\\Oracle\\Java\\javapath\\java.exe" -Xmx256m -jar "C:\\BD3D2MK3D v0.70\\toolset\\BDSup2Sub.jar" "00010.track_4608.Eng.sup" -o "00010.track_4608.Eng.3D_2D/temp_2D.xml" --palette-mode keep --minimum-time 1 --language en --convert-fps 24p,24p --move-out-ratio 2.39 --move-y-offset 4
* BDSup2Sub "temp_2D.xml": ERROR: Unrecognized option: --move-out-ratio
ERROR: Unrecognized option: --move-out-ratio
child process exited abnormally
The error is due to your additional option --move-out-ratio, probably specified in the additional BDSup2Sub options field of tab 2. Obviously, that option doesn't work with the java version.

Also, remember that if you move the subtitles, the depths of each individual subtitle will be wrong. I suggest to remove that option as well as --move-y-offset. They are not necessary and they may kill the good 3D subtitles that BD3D2MK3D generates.
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Anyone here using Dune player maybe?

I did a 3D movie for a friend but the subs are showing duplicated on left and right (tried both vobsubs and sup). Maybe he is doing something wrong , or Dune is not capable of displaying them properly.
He has Dune HD Media Player TV-303D.

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Unfortunately, currently, it is difficult to watch a converted 3D movie with 3D subtitles and the good depth.

Many players are unable to display correctly the 3D subtitles. They consider them as 2D subtitles, and print them on the two views. As a consequence, you see them in double.

Some software players (like PotPlayer) have an option to display the subtitles before or after the rendering in 3D. You should select before for 3D subtitles, and after for 2D subtitles.

Or you can use any player that can stream the image to your TV. The player should be configured in 2D (and therefore display the two images side by side) and the 3D subtitles must be applied normally (in 2D). Then, configure your TV to convert the streamed input in 3D (SBS or T&B). That will work in all cases.

Of course, the best way to be sure that the 3D subtitles are shown correctly with all 3D players and hardware is to hardcode them on the video. That will ensure that they are correctly displayed in 3D, with the good depth. (If you need to display the subtitles anyway, I strongly recommend to use that option. However, it's not the best choice if you have kept the audio track in the original language of the movie and the audio track in your own language. In that case, you have to be able to turn the subtitles on or off, and you can't hardcode them.)

I can't help more. I don't know the Dune player.
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Unfortunately, currently, it is difficult to watch a converted 3D movie with 3D subtitles and the good depth.
Thanks a lot for your informative reply (as always!). I will tell him to
try with potplayer.
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Hi!

Worked with last command at last:

"Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. Med ensamrätt.

C:\Users\RWDA2011>cd..

C:\Users>cd..

C:\>cd I:\

C:\>CD I:\

C:\>CD /D I:\

I:\>DIR
Volymen i enhet I har etiketten INSURGENT
Volymens serienummer är EAFE-42F8

Innehåll i katalogen I:\

2015-06-17 02:31 <KAT> BDMV
2015-06-17 02:31 <KAT> ANY!
2015-06-17 02:31 <KAT> CERTIFICATE
2015-06-17 02:31 148 disc.inf
1 fil(er) 1*728 byte
3 katalog(er) 0 byte ledigt

I:\>"

And turning to the non-java based BDSup2Sub worked fine!

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To change the CD, you must use this:
> CD I:\
> I:
The second command sets the current drive to I:

You can also use:
> CD /D I:\
Where the /D options informs the CD command to change also the current drive.


The error is due to your additional option --move-out-ratio, probably specified in the additional BDSup2Sub options field of tab 2. Obviously, that option doesn't work with the java version.

Also, remember that if you move the subtitles, the depths of each individual subtitle will be wrong. I suggest to remove that option as well as --move-y-offset. They are not necessary and they may kill the good 3D subtitles that BD3D2MK3D generates.
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Worked with last command at last:
C:\>cd I:\

C:\>CD I:\

C:\>CD /D I:\
You forgot to type "I:" alone (without CD and the \) to change the current drive. Anyway. CD /D worked, and it's OK.
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1 fil(er) 1*728 byte
3 katalog(er) 0 byte ledigt
I see. So, in your language, 1*728 means 1728. Right?
BTW, what language is it? Something from the North of Europe I guess. Right?

Anyway, I need to replace the current procedure that retrieves the available disc space. It fails with many languages. Thanks for the information.
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Old 18th August 2015, 10:01   #571  |  Link
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BD3D2MK3D v0.72

The problem of illegal characters is now hopefully definitively fixed.

I have also fixed a bug happening when converting the DTS, DTS-HD or DTS-HD-MA audio streams introduced recently. The new DcaDec DTS decoder was not used in all cases. Now, unless you explicitly select the LibAV decoder in the Convert Audio tool, it is always used for all DTS variants (except for DTS-Express).

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- Fixed again the problem of illegal characters when retrieving the free disc space on foreign systems.
- Convert audio bug fix: The DcaDec DTS decoder was not used for all DTS, DTSMA or DTSHDMA streams.
- Updated MkvMerge and MkvPropEdit to the latest version (v8.3.0)
Download: BD3D2MK3D.7z
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Just finish to test the 0.72 release. No more problème with the illegal characters for me r0lZ. Thanks
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Thanks for the confirmation. I have re-written completely the original function, and now it should work in all cases, regardless of the language of your Windows.
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what is this?

WARNING: Multiple PDS/ODS definitions: result may be erratic
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It's a warning from BDSup2Sub (java and ++ versions). I don't know exactly what it means, but it is very frequent, and seems harmless. At least, I have never noticed any problem when it is displayed. So, don't worry. I think that warning can be safely ignored. (BD3D2MK3D prints it in the log because it prints all lines issued by the external programs, but it doesn't handle that warning in any particular way, and doesn't report it in the final dialog.)
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It's a warning from BDSup2Sub (java and ++ versions). I don't know exactly what it means, but it is very frequent, and seems harmless. At least, I have never noticed any problem when it is displayed. So, don't worry. I think that warning can be safely ignored. (BD3D2MK3D prints it in the log because it prints all lines issued by the external programs, but it doesn't handle that warning in any particular way, and doesn't report it in the final dialog.)
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with Avatar 3D

and a lot of these frames
WARNING: missing end time of frame 59 -> fixed

* Warnings: 3 undefined depths in "3D-Plane-02.3dp" for "00000.track_4610.Deu.sup"!
* Warnings: 8 undefined depths in "3D-Plane-03.3dp" for "00000.track_4611.Ita.sup"!
* Warnings: 3 undefined depths in "3D-Plane-05.3dp" for "00000.track_4613.Tur.sup"!

is this a problem?

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That warnings are issued by BD3D2MK3D when it converts the subtitles to 3D. Normally, the depth of each individual subtitle is retrieved from the corresponding 3D-plane. The 3D-Planes are made of single values for each frames of the movie. But the 3D-Planes are sometimes not complete. There are frames without depth definitions (or more precisely, with a depth value of -128, meaning "undefined").

A single subtitle is displayed during a certain number of frames. If all depths of that frames are undefined, there is no way to know the depth for that subtitle. Hence the warning. (When that warning is issued, BD3D2MK3D assumes a depth of 0, and places the subtitle "on the surface of the screen".)

If you want to know exactly what subtitles have caused the warnings for a particular stream, open the temp2D.xml file (in the temp directory of that stream) in a text editor and search for the word "warning". You should find them easily. If you know for sure that the depth must be different than 0, you can edit the depth="0" tag manually and regenerate the 3D stream from the 2D XML with the edited depth tags. (Unfortunately, it is usually very difficult to compute from scratch the depth value to use for a particular subtitle, but you can fix the most obvious problems relatively easily.)

Note that if the 3D-Plane has been correctly created and corresponds really to the subtitle stream, the warning can theoretically be ignored. The subtitle will be placed on the surface of the screen, but it should not hurt. It's almost always the case with good commercial 3DBDs, but there are exceptions like some cheap Asian BDs, with 3D subtitles placed at completely wrong depths, or with lot of undefined depths.

Anyway, when the 3D depth values are wrong or undefined in the 3D-plane, the original BD has the same problem when it is played in a BD player. BD3D2MK3D can't invent the missing 3D depth values, or fix the wrong ones automatically.
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That warnings are issued by BD3D2MK3D when it converts the subtitles to 3D. Normally, the depth of each individual subtitle is retrieved from the corresponding 3D-plane. The 3D-Planes are made of single values for each frames of the movie. But the 3D-Planes are sometimes not complete. There are frames without depth definitions (or more precisely, with a depth value of -128, meaning "undefined").

A single subtitle is displayed during a certain number of frames. If all depths of that frames are undefined, there is no way to know the depth for that subtitle. Hence the warning. (When that warning is issued, BD3D2MK3D assumes a depth of 0, and places the subtitle "on the surface of the screen".)

If you want to know exactly what subtitles have caused the warnings for a particular stream, open the temp2D.xml file (in the temp directory of that stream) in a text editor and search for the word "warning". You should find them easily. If you know for sure that the depth must be different than 0, you can edit the depth="0" tag manually and regenerate the 3D stream from the 2D XML with the edited depth tags. (Unfortunately, it is usually very difficult to compute from scratch the depth value to use for a particular subtitle, but you can fix the most obvious problems relatively easily.)

Note that if the 3D-Plane has been correctly created and corresponds really to the subtitle stream, the warning can theoretically be ignored. The subtitle will be placed on the surface of the screen, but it should not hurt. It's almost always the case with good commercial 3DBDs, but there are exceptions like some cheap Asian BDs, with 3D subtitles placed at completely wrong depths, or with lot of undefined depths.

Anyway, when the 3D depth values are wrong or undefined in the 3D-plane, the original BD has the same problem when it is played in a BD player. BD3D2MK3D can't invent the missing 3D depth values, or fix the wrong ones automatically.
Oke thanks.
Not all of the sups haves that problem undefined depths in Avatar, only 3 of them.
Dutch, Fra, Eng haves no problem.
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Is it Important to choose a slow or slower preset in crf mode ?
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