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foxyshadis asked about making the URL lookups case insensitive. Having Avisource & AviSource resolve to the same page sounded good. But it turns out to be trickier to implement than it sounds. This post summarizes the current situation.
What we really need is to pick a naming convention. For example, here's Wikipedia's: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...bsequent_words http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...italization%29 |
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On the preliminary classification (link in my signature)... I've received some very helpful PM's -- thank you to those concerned. A couple of things I want to make clear:
-- You are more than welcome to make changes, corrections. -- This isn't meant to be a final page. The aim is to get sensible categories and subcategories, so that we can create appropriate pages (e.g. a page on restoration filters, or a page on deblockers). And a couple of questions... -- Thoughts on how we should subclassify denoisers? Stick with the old Spatial/Temporal/Spatiotemporal scheme, or something else? [I have no strong feelings on this issue.] -- (Esp. to Wilbert) how NPOV are we trying to keep things? For example, this:http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...bob#post759778 would IMO be extremely helpful to a new user.
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I don't have a problem with quick-n-easy lists of "best" filters. Just use careful wording like Wikipedia does.
fact: The YUY2 colorspace uses 16 bytes per pixel. opinion: Many people feel MvBob is the best filter for pure interlaced material. fact: It's certainly one of the slowest. We could even have a dedicated page called "Current recommendations" or similar. Then if parts are debatable, use its talk-page. |
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Ok, no rankings. We can definitely put up objective data, though. Things like speed, compressability gain/loss (for denoisers/sharpeners), features. On a similar note, feel free to upload lots of samples: "torture test" clips, filter comparisons, whatever. I bargained for a lot more space & bandwidth after the site went down in Dec, may as well use it
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Oooh, samples. Definitely put Didée's B5 torture test on there. It'd be very interesting to have screenshots of what denoisers do to a few "standard" mildly noisy and very noisy clips, later on.
As for names, I guess the only way is hack the code to insert a lot of strtolower()s, cross your fingers, and hope for the best, so.... not exactly a good plan. I guess that since every filter already has a known case (Pascal case being the most common by far), we should use that. Maybe even force Pascal case for all-lower-case ones. The old wiki generally Pascal-cased almost everything except a few wiki-style links, and I kind of like that, but with spaces so things look more like "proper" titles. But that's just my opinion. ie, "Variable Frame Rate Video" instead of "VariableFrameRateVideo" or "Variable frame rate video". (Though I'm also going to link "VFR" to that one... ) |
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Grrr... lost my reply. Briefly,
@Soulhunter: thank you for the suggestions, the changes and for pointing out the issue about naming conventions! @Wilbert: should I include internal filters on the list? @all: I'm worried that a list like this (however presented)... Area BlendBob DGBob FieldDeinterlace GreedyHMA InterpolationBob KernelDeint LeakKernelDeint MVBob SmoothDeinterlace TDeint TomsMoComp (+ more when finished) ... will overwhelm a new user. Any thoughts on ways to alleviate this? Also, I can think of three naming conventions for "restoration filter" subcategories: 1. Anti-aliasing, Rainbow and Dot crawl removal, Chroma correction, Deblocking, Deinterlacing, etc 2. Anti-aliasers, Rainbow and Dot crawl removers, Chroma correcters, Deblockers, Deinterlacers, etc 3. Aliasing, Rainbows & Dot crawl, Chroma errors, Blocks, interlacing 3. seems inappropriate (to me) but I have no preference between 1. and 2. ... or perhaps someone can think of something better?
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Even if we were able to hack the entire product, using some kind of StrLower would just cause problems with internationalization. Improving the Avisynth doc translation experience is a major goal, so I'm not going to compromise there. Also, as the developers mentioned in that email thread, you lose the ability to have a canonical case, i.e. you can't decide how the title should be displayed to the user.
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Rainbow and dot crawl removal 1. Definition of rainbow/dot crawl + pictures 2. Brief explanation of causes 3. Descriptive text 4. Comprehensive list (perhaps annotated) (2. is there because it allows an intelligent choice of filter ordering.) 3. is the vaguest of these sections, but it could contain information about e.g. the most popular filters or about filters that are well-suited to beginners (stable, few parameters/default parameters work well, reasonably effective on disparate sources). I wanted an idea of what you all think is appropriate/suitable in a section like this. The above schema is just one possibility... please do suggest improvements or better schemata.
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I forgot to mention which names I liked -- was going to say #2, since I thought these would be relatively sparse pages (mostly just links to other pages). But now that I see you propose to illustrate the problem in detail, I like #1 better.
Your section layout looks great. |
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I was thinking of keeping 1. and 2. pretty compact, and using small pictures (maybe the same height as 8 lines of text). Pictures would be cropped to pick out the relevant effect, not resized. We could include links to pages with more detailed text or larger pictures. Real life is a bit busy at present, but when it calms down let me try and mock up a page? If you find it too crowded, we can try something else.
Incidentally, may I use text from the analog capture guide?
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I think a well-designed "rainbow & dot-crawl removal" page -- even if it includes a long list at the end -- will still be much friendly than, say, today's FAQ. With sections & subpages there's really no problem with long articles, so long as the most important information (i.e. what the majority of people who hit the page) is near the top.
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See http://www.avisynth.org/mediawiki/wiki/User:Clouded for examples of both of these -- I don't actually like the look of these examples, but they convey the idea.
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@Richard,
I want to add some math to one of the pages: http://www.avisynth.org/mediawiki/in...p?title=Levels <math>x^2</math> should work, but doesn't. Could you give some help? |
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EDIT: Have a look here Troubleshooting_math_errors Last edited by hanfrunz; 10th March 2006 at 17:35. |
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