ReClock DirectShow filter : try it ! - Page 14

ogo · 17th January 2003, 10:08

@ms : i would be very happy to test you tool on some 23,976 avi file to see the result of my TV. Could you send me a binary i could play with ?

@supAdrag : please send me your logfile (c:\reclock_log.txt). Maybe i'll find something ... Latest version really work well on all PC i've tried, so there must be an explanation. ReClock consumes some CPU when you open a file (maybe during 1-2 seconds). After that, cpu consumption is very low, so it should not be the problem. I tested it on P2 350mhz without problem. Can you try "Slave reference clock to audio" and tell me if stuterring is still there ?

@bkam : please send me your logs too. Your ppm indicator not going to 0 indicates a problem. Do you use Intel speedstep ? What video chipset are you using in your laptop ? Could you clear your log, then play a movie on LCD for at least 30 minutes, then send me your log ? For you refresh rate question, you can't choose anything else than 60hz on your LCD (all LCD are 60hz). If you are playing a movie at 23,976 on LCD, you can choose "refresh rate/2.5" or "24 fps" in the media adaptation tab, this is what will give the best results

@Sumster and @Jorgosch : did version 0.99e give good results with AC3 ?

Sumster · 17th January 2003, 14:57

OGO --> Excellent results with 0.99e. Those few repeats/additions have disappeared completely (I have increased MaxLatencySPDIF to 150 and MaxPCM to 100). I find that the sync is usually always +/- 20 msec... I have never seen it go any higher even on difficult scenes where frames were being dropped. In any case, increasing the thresholds solved the problem.

I have now tried it on my notebook, locked at 60Hz, Celeron 433 with 128mb RAM --> no problems. Old Ati RAGE LT video card and ESS soundcard.

I also have cut out a very difficult panning scene in Godfather Part III that has played terribly on every computer/TV I have tried it on. This clip really highlights the advantages of Reclock. It is 5 megs and I can send it to you for testing purposes if you wish.

Sumster

Jorgosch · 17th January 2003, 23:22

Quote:

Originally posted by ogo

@Sumster and @Jorgosch : did version 0.99e give good results with AC3 ?

No complaints here, everything works nicely!

kallekill · 18th January 2003, 06:57

Hmm. I still got problems with ac3 spdif out. I don't get the kind of skips i got before were ac3 was going on and off on my reciever but I get strange variations in pitch that is very noticable.

Jorgosch · 18th January 2003, 14:31

@Ogo,
I have a request which has to do with the dual head capability of my RadeOn.

Problem:
My TV and my main monitor work at different resolutions and refresh rates while Monitor has Outpout 1 and TV has Output 2. Sometimes I like to watch (well, it's more listen to) a movie while I am doing something else on the other monitor. Obviously, Video clock is not synchronized properly on the TV now.

Your suggestion:
Set TV as monitor 1 so clocks synchronize properly. For some reason my system wreaks havoc on me if I leave it like this to reboot. Also, it is not very comfortable, all this switching around.

My thoughts:
If I could set video clock and refresh rate myself, I wouldn't have to switch monitor outputs, right?

My request:
Make an "advanced setting" for Video clock and refresh rate where user can enter values (probably with warning). This way, user (me :-) can look up the correct values once with TV Out set to monitor 1 and then later enter those values in ReClock without the need to switch monitors.
You could even gather clock values in a database to manually chose, I mean, there are not THAT many refresh rates on a TV and chips on the market :-)

What do you think?

BigT · 18th January 2003, 14:57

I saw that some users reported problems with DVDMax (Matrox G400 graphics cards) and Reclock. Initially DVDMax would not produce smooth playback on my HTPC so i tried Reclock myself. At that time i did not know about eventual Matrox/Reclock problems. Nevertheless i can probably share the following:

As already reported using the second head set as primary output is totally unacceptable due to the much lower IQ in comparison to DVDMAX (in particular in PAL which is what i use). Without Reclock Divx videos did not run smoothly at all. When i tried Reclock things got better but not perfect probably due to the synching problems which were already mentioned in this thread. On the other hand when i installed Matrox's older 5.85 drivers for XP instead of the latest 5.86 everything was perfect. Switching back to 5.86 reproduced the choppy playback. It's pretty probable that the drivers influences the behaviour of DVDMax: in case several clocks are generated within the G400 my observation could suggest that the one or other driver synchs DVDMax differently.

It would probably remain interesting to see if other Matrox owners can reproduce this. In case i am wrong, no harm done i suppose...

Ewi · 18th January 2003, 15:51

Cause people only post something when they have problems I post to say I have NO problems. I use it since 0.95 and it always worked for me without a flaw...

Thank you

Airw0lf · 19th January 2003, 01:30

sumster - that's a very good idea. It would be ideal if some "difficult" clips were made available for people to test with. Unfortunately, webspace is rarely free...

Sumster · 21st January 2003, 18:46

Airwolf...

I'll try to set up some of the free webspace available with my Cable connection. Only problem is that there is a limit of 300mb / month. Therefore, it will only allow about 50 downloads of the file.

That should be enough for the people who are actively tracking this particular thread. I'll post the link once I've uploaded the 5mb clip from the Godfather III. P.S. Use 16/9 aspect ratio in the player... clip is sized for a 16/9 TV.

Sumster

Airw0lf · 22nd January 2003, 09:42

Sumster -
Thanks, that's very generous of you.

Sumster · 22nd January 2003, 15:00

Hello All!

Here is a scene that has played "choppy" on almost every computer I have tried. It is from the opening of Godfather Part III and has AC3 sound.

1) It is sized for a 16/9 TV, so manually set your aspect ratio to 1.85/1 in Zoomplayer.

2) The opening is the water near NYC, and then it pans across a bunch of pictures in the room. Look for how smoothly it pans.

3) Please let the forum know if Reclock helps at all, and if the link no longer works (ie. I've maxed out my bandwidth). I will try to find alternate places.

LINK --> http://members.rogers.com/sagrawal10...ng%20Scene.avi

Sumster

The Link · 22nd January 2003, 20:39

@ Sumster

Using Reclock there are no problems here! The avi plays smoothly for me.

BTW: The picture is pretty grainy. Did you use some special filters when encoding?

Sumster · 22nd January 2003, 22:08

Hi Link...

Yes... I have the Godfather Trilogy DVD set. All three original DVD's are very grainy. I used smoothing filters on Part I and II, but the encoding time was horrible. Therefore, I did not use it on Part III, but the DIVX became quite grainy.

Also, the movies are very long (>3 hours), so the low bitrate does not help very much

.

I find that if you use the DIVX 5 filter at maximum quality (so that deblocking and deringing are active), it is much less noticable.

Good luck all.... still looking forward to Reclock 1.0 with dynamic reconnect enabled! Hope the work is going well Ogo.

Sumster

Airw0lf · 23rd January 2003, 07:10

Sumster -

I tried out your clip, and the improvement due to ReClock was quite clear. Thanks again

temporance · 23rd January 2003, 10:30

Hello Ogo,

Reclock is truly a great piece of work and today I was interested in seeing how it works. I can only find four source files (in gpled_src.zip) and it's not enough to build the filter. Where can I find the other source files?

Cheers

eLupus · 23rd January 2003, 12:58

Hi,

Thanx for an awesome piece of software, it really does what it intends to do and really well, i only have two problems which keeps me from being able to use it.

I currently play movies on a laptop, with an external usb soundcard(extigy). I have this set up so that my internal soundcard is the primary soundcard. Then i set up zoomplayer to overide this so that when i play a movie the sound goes to the external soundcard. What i would really love is to see an option where you select which soundcard to use.

The second item on the list is something you allready know of, i also run movies on my secondary output(tv out) in dualdisplay mode, so that my lcd still is the primary monitor, i currently don't have problems with this as i use VMR and not overlay to play the movies, this does however also have the issue that refreshrates are not detected correctly. I just wondered if it wouldn't be possible to base this on in what window the video is played, or perhaps a setting which would allow you to specify on what display to detect refreshrate.

I presume you detect and sync to the refreshrate so that you may draw at correct time according to vertical sync, otherwise being able to manually set refreshrate would be an option.

Best Regards
Joakim Plate

Chibi Jasmin · 23rd January 2003, 13:27

Quote:

Originally posted by Sumster
Hello All!

Here is a scene that has played "choppy" on almost every computer I have tried. It is from the opening of Godfather Part III and has AC3 sound.

1) It is sized for a 16/9 TV, so manually set your aspect ratio to 1.85/1 in Zoomplayer.

2) The opening is the water near NYC, and then it pans across a bunch of pictures in the room. Look for how smoothly it pans.

3) Please let the forum know if Reclock helps at all, and if the link no longer works (ie. I've maxed out my bandwidth). I will try to find alternate places.

LINK --> http://members.rogers.com/sagrawal10...ng%20Scene.avi

Sumster

This file is muxed badly...try remuxing with AviMuxGUI at default settings or with Nandub/VDub(Mod) at preload 96ms interleave 96ms and playback will probably improve a lot without ReClock as well.

For more information try the search function, there's lots of information, why the above is necessary for smooth playback with ac3-avis in the forum, let's not discuss this here in the reclock-thread, please!

Sumster · 23rd January 2003, 14:25

Thanks Chibi...

I totally use AviMux now.... I made these DIVX movies a LONG time ago using Doom9's original guides with Nandub. Unfortunately, I developed quite a collection of movies already burned that have been made this way.

Reclock, however, plays even badly muxed movies smoothly which is quite commendable!

-Sumster

Sumster · 23rd January 2003, 15:55

I actually tried to remux the clip (did not bother with the entire movie as it has already been burned to CD).

There WAS about a 40-50% improvement in the stuttering, however it was still very noticable. Reclock, when set to Audio-slave mode, seems to resolve the remainder.

Thanks for the tip Chibi.

kallekill · 23rd January 2003, 23:02

Reclock works really well for me and I get smooth playback on both the monitor and the tv. I have one problem though, and that is that almost always at some point in the movie the framerate gets out of sync and starts stuttering. I then have to restart mediaplayer and everything is fine again. Does anyone else have this problem?

22nd January 2003, 15:00	#271 \| Link
Sumster Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 53	Difficult Scene Hello All! Here is a scene that has played "choppy" on almost every computer I have tried. It is from the opening of Godfather Part III and has AC3 sound. 1) It is sized for a 16/9 TV, so manually set your aspect ratio to 1.85/1 in Zoomplayer. 2) The opening is the water near NYC, and then it pans across a bunch of pictures in the room. Look for how smoothly it pans. 3) Please let the forum know if Reclock helps at all, and if the link no longer works (ie. I've maxed out my bandwidth). I will try to find alternate places. LINK --> http://members.rogers.com/sagrawal10...ng%20Scene.avi Sumster

22nd January 2003, 20:39	#272 \| Link
The Link Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 189	@ Sumster Using Reclock there are no problems here! The avi plays smoothly for me. BTW: The picture is pretty grainy. Did you use some special filters when encoding? __________________ When birds burp, it must taste like bugs! (Calvin&Hobbes)

23rd January 2003, 10:30	#275 \| Link
temporance Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 486	Source code Hello Ogo, Reclock is truly a great piece of work and today I was interested in seeing how it works. I can only find four source files (in gpled_src.zip) and it's not enough to build the filter. Where can I find the other source files? Cheers

23rd January 2003, 12:58	#276 \| Link
eLupus Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 46	Ouput Soundcard Hi, Thanx for an awesome piece of software, it really does what it intends to do and really well, i only have two problems which keeps me from being able to use it. I currently play movies on a laptop, with an external usb soundcard(extigy). I have this set up so that my internal soundcard is the primary soundcard. Then i set up zoomplayer to overide this so that when i play a movie the sound goes to the external soundcard. What i would really love is to see an option where you select which soundcard to use. The second item on the list is something you allready know of, i also run movies on my secondary output(tv out) in dualdisplay mode, so that my lcd still is the primary monitor, i currently don't have problems with this as i use VMR and not overlay to play the movies, this does however also have the issue that refreshrates are not detected correctly. I just wondered if it wouldn't be possible to base this on in what window the video is played, or perhaps a setting which would allow you to specify on what display to detect refreshrate. I presume you detect and sync to the refreshrate so that you may draw at correct time according to vertical sync, otherwise being able to manually set refreshrate would be an option. Best Regards Joakim Plate

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17th January 2003, 10:08	#261 \| Link
ogo Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 156	@ms : i would be very happy to test you tool on some 23,976 avi file to see the result of my TV. Could you send me a binary i could play with ? @supAdrag : please send me your logfile (c:\reclock_log.txt). Maybe i'll find something ... Latest version really work well on all PC i've tried, so there must be an explanation. ReClock consumes some CPU when you open a file (maybe during 1-2 seconds). After that, cpu consumption is very low, so it should not be the problem. I tested it on P2 350mhz without problem. Can you try "Slave reference clock to audio" and tell me if stuterring is still there ? @bkam : please send me your logs too. Your ppm indicator not going to 0 indicates a problem. Do you use Intel speedstep ? What video chipset are you using in your laptop ? Could you clear your log, then play a movie on LCD for at least 30 minutes, then send me your log ? For you refresh rate question, you can't choose anything else than 60hz on your LCD (all LCD are 60hz). If you are playing a movie at 23,976 on LCD, you can choose "refresh rate/2.5" or "24 fps" in the media adaptation tab, this is what will give the best results @Sumster and @Jorgosch : did version 0.99e give good results with AC3 ?

17th January 2003, 14:57	#262 \| Link
Sumster Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 53	OGO --> Excellent results with 0.99e. Those few repeats/additions have disappeared completely (I have increased MaxLatencySPDIF to 150 and MaxPCM to 100). I find that the sync is usually always +/- 20 msec... I have never seen it go any higher even on difficult scenes where frames were being dropped. In any case, increasing the thresholds solved the problem. I have now tried it on my notebook, locked at 60Hz, Celeron 433 with 128mb RAM --> no problems. Old Ati RAGE LT video card and ESS soundcard. I also have cut out a very difficult panning scene in Godfather Part III that has played terribly on every computer/TV I have tried it on. This clip really highlights the advantages of Reclock. It is 5 megs and I can send it to you for testing purposes if you wish. Sumster

18th January 2003, 06:57	#264 \| Link
kallekill Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 174	Hmm. I still got problems with ac3 spdif out. I don't get the kind of skips i got before were ac3 was going on and off on my reciever but I get strange variations in pitch that is very noticable.

18th January 2003, 14:31	#265 \| Link
Jorgosch Win E. Poo Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spain Posts: 43	@Ogo, I have a request which has to do with the dual head capability of my RadeOn. Problem: My TV and my main monitor work at different resolutions and refresh rates while Monitor has Outpout 1 and TV has Output 2. Sometimes I like to watch (well, it's more listen to) a movie while I am doing something else on the other monitor. Obviously, Video clock is not synchronized properly on the TV now. Your suggestion: Set TV as monitor 1 so clocks synchronize properly. For some reason my system wreaks havoc on me if I leave it like this to reboot. Also, it is not very comfortable, all this switching around. My thoughts: If I could set video clock and refresh rate myself, I wouldn't have to switch monitor outputs, right? My request: Make an "advanced setting" for Video clock and refresh rate where user can enter values (probably with warning). This way, user (me :-) can look up the correct values once with TV Out set to monitor 1 and then later enter those values in ReClock without the need to switch monitors. You could even gather clock values in a database to manually chose, I mean, there are not THAT many refresh rates on a TV and chips on the market :-) What do you think?

18th January 2003, 14:57	#266 \| Link
BigT Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 4	I saw that some users reported problems with DVDMax (Matrox G400 graphics cards) and Reclock. Initially DVDMax would not produce smooth playback on my HTPC so i tried Reclock myself. At that time i did not know about eventual Matrox/Reclock problems. Nevertheless i can probably share the following: As already reported using the second head set as primary output is totally unacceptable due to the much lower IQ in comparison to DVDMAX (in particular in PAL which is what i use). Without Reclock Divx videos did not run smoothly at all. When i tried Reclock things got better but not perfect probably due to the synching problems which were already mentioned in this thread. On the other hand when i installed Matrox's older 5.85 drivers for XP instead of the latest 5.86 everything was perfect. Switching back to 5.86 reproduced the choppy playback. It's pretty probable that the drivers influences the behaviour of DVDMax: in case several clocks are generated within the G400 my observation could suggest that the one or other driver synchs DVDMax differently. It would probably remain interesting to see if other Matrox owners can reproduce this. In case i am wrong, no harm done i suppose...

18th January 2003, 15:51	#267 \| Link
Ewi Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 124	Cause people only post something when they have problems I post to say I have NO problems. I use it since 0.95 and it always worked for me without a flaw... Thank you

19th January 2003, 01:30	#268 \| Link
Airw0lf Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Out There Posts: 89	sumster - that's a very good idea. It would be ideal if some "difficult" clips were made available for people to test with. Unfortunately, webspace is rarely free...

21st January 2003, 18:46	#269 \| Link
Sumster Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 53	Airwolf... I'll try to set up some of the free webspace available with my Cable connection. Only problem is that there is a limit of 300mb / month. Therefore, it will only allow about 50 downloads of the file. That should be enough for the people who are actively tracking this particular thread. I'll post the link once I've uploaded the 5mb clip from the Godfather III. P.S. Use 16/9 aspect ratio in the player... clip is sized for a 16/9 TV. Sumster

22nd January 2003, 09:42	#270 \| Link
Airw0lf Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Out There Posts: 89	Sumster - Thanks, that's very generous of you.

22nd January 2003, 22:08	#273 \| Link
Sumster Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 53	Hi Link... Yes... I have the Godfather Trilogy DVD set. All three original DVD's are very grainy. I used smoothing filters on Part I and II, but the encoding time was horrible. Therefore, I did not use it on Part III, but the DIVX became quite grainy. Also, the movies are very long (>3 hours), so the low bitrate does not help very much . I find that if you use the DIVX 5 filter at maximum quality (so that deblocking and deringing are active), it is much less noticable. Good luck all.... still looking forward to Reclock 1.0 with dynamic reconnect enabled! Hope the work is going well Ogo. Sumster

23rd January 2003, 07:10	#274 \| Link
Airw0lf Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Out There Posts: 89	Sumster - I tried out your clip, and the improvement due to ReClock was quite clear. Thanks again

23rd January 2003, 14:25	#278 \| Link
Sumster Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 53	Thanks Chibi... I totally use AviMux now.... I made these DIVX movies a LONG time ago using Doom9's original guides with Nandub. Unfortunately, I developed quite a collection of movies already burned that have been made this way. Reclock, however, plays even badly muxed movies smoothly which is quite commendable! -Sumster

23rd January 2003, 15:55	#279 \| Link
Sumster Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 53	I actually tried to remux the clip (did not bother with the entire movie as it has already been burned to CD). There WAS about a 40-50% improvement in the stuttering, however it was still very noticable. Reclock, when set to Audio-slave mode, seems to resolve the remainder. Thanks for the tip Chibi.

23rd January 2003, 23:02	#280 \| Link
kallekill Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 174	Reclock works really well for me and I get smooth playback on both the monitor and the tv. I have one problem though, and that is that almost always at some point in the movie the framerate gets out of sync and starts stuttering. I then have to restart mediaplayer and everything is fine again. Does anyone else have this problem?