First time using avisynth, need advice

kutjong · 4th January 2009, 21:31

I have about 24 min of DV PAL (interlaced, BFF) footage that I want to convert to xvid. For a target size, I would be happy with about 200 mb.

Ok, so first I believe I want to deinterlace, because I want to end up with progressive 25 fps. What is a good deinterlacer for this purpose? IMO, this footage shouldn't be too hard to deinterlace since the camera remains static all the time and movement is fairly limited.

I may also want to do some mild denoising, as DV is quite noisy, especially in dark areas and I think denoising makes compression easier. What denoising filters do you recommend?

As for aspect ratio, the resolution is standard PAL (720x576) and DAR is 16/9. I guess the best solution for this is to resize to 720x405?

This is how my script looks thus far:

Code:

Load_Stdcall_plugin("yadif.dll")
AVISource("C:\Casbah.avi")
Yadif(clip, int "0", int "0")
FastBicubicResize(720,405)

This is my first time using avisynth and I don't know where to go from here... I appreciate any help.

Oh, and here's a sample.

Nightshiver · 4th January 2009, 23:36

You have an .avi for a sample? No mpeg files?

Guest · 4th January 2009, 23:40

His source is DV. Why would he post an MPEG file?

IanB · 4th January 2009, 23:55

Yadif is a reasonable smart bob. The correct syntax is Yadif(0, 0)

I would choose a sharper resizer like the internal Spline36Resize(). FastBicubicResize() is a fairly old external plugin and the internal resizers are very fast.

For Xvid the height needs to be an even number and preferable a number divisible by 16.

Popular 16:9 mod16 Xvid sizes with the aspect error.

512x288 0%
544xx304 1.2%
576x320 2.2%
592x336 -1.6%
624x352 -0.5%
656x368 0.5%
688x384 1.4%
704x400 -1.8%

For decoding DV I would recommend Cedocida.

Seeing you have an interlaced source working in "YUY2" may avoid any chroma problems. AVISource("C:\Casbah.avi", pixel_type="YUY2").

24 Minutes and 200mb would be 1000kbits video and 128kbits audio, this is generous and extra denoising may not be necessary.

Gavino · 5th January 2009, 00:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by IanB

The correct syntax is Yadif(clip, 0, 0)

To clarify that, in the context of kutjong's original script, it would be simply Yadif(0, 0).

kutjong · 5th January 2009, 01:57

Thanks for your help thus far!

My script now looks like this:

Code:

Load_Stdcall_plugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\yadif.dll")
AVISource("Casbah.avi")
Yadif(0, 0)
Spline36Resize(656, 368)

Any other recommendations for deinterlacer? Speed is not an issue.

Quote:

For decoding DV I would recommend Cedocida.

Seeing you have an interlaced source working in "YUY2" may avoid any chroma problems. AVISource("C:\Casbah.avi", pixel_type="YUY2").

I don't understand what you mean here... The source is YV12.

Another thing, what YV12 option should I check Cedocida's options? My guess would be DV?

Also, I hope it's ok if I additionally ask for advice with xvid encoder settings.
Bitrate will be quite high, about 1200 kbps, so for matrix I guess MPEG is fine, I haven't looked into any custom matrices...

Additional settings (unrestricted):

Adaptive quantization, Qpel, GMC, Trellis quantization
B-Vops 2, Q ratio 1.5, Q offset 1, packed bitstream
Motion search precision 6 (ultra), VHQ 1, VHQ B-frames, chroma motion, turbo

Any settings anybody thinks I should change? I'm going to put keyframes to every tenth frame since there is no scene change in this footage, the camera remains static all the way.

thetoof · 5th January 2009, 21:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by kutjong

Any other recommendations for deinterlacer? Speed is not an issue.

http://avisynth.org/mediawiki/Extern...#Deinterlacing

IanB · 5th January 2009, 22:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by kutjong

I don't understand what you mean here... The source is YV12.
Another thing, what YV12 option should I check Cedocida's options? My guess would be DV?

Your source is Pal DV, i.e. it has DV's unusual chroma placement, and there are a whole raft of issues with interlaced YV12. Cedocida can do YV12 in 3 flavours, hence my recommending the YUY2 option.

Cedocida does a fully correct job converting DV chroma to YUY2. I wanted to make it easy for you and just make the issues go away, hence YUY2.

IIRC the panasonic DV decoder outputs RGB24 and it does a poxy job on aligning the chroma and has luma range issues. Yadif only does YUY2 and YV12.

With YUY2 from Cedocida, there are no level issues, what is on your tape ends up in YUY2, i.e. you get to choose how to control the levels if anything needs to be done.

With YUY2 there are no chroma placement issues, YUY2 has no vertical subsampling.

As Xvid is a 4:2:0 format and matches Avisynth's default YV12, you can convert to YV12 after all the interlaced issues have been eliminated.

Code:

Load_Stdcall_plugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\yadif.dll")
AVISource("Casbah.avi", Pixel_type="YUY2") # Using Cedocida for DV
Yadif(0, 0) # Deinterlace
ConvertToYV12()
Spline36Resize(656, 368)

For the Xvid I am inclined to leave QPel and GMC off. Many hardware player still fubar them and they do not offer very much quality wise on generous bandwidth encodes.

Blue_MiSfit · 7th January 2009, 02:20

All excellent advice, so far!

As far as the denoising goes, I'd suggest fft3dfilter, or fft3dgpu if you have a fast graphics card.

DV usually has very noisy chroma, so I'd clean that right off the bat (after deinterlacing). So, taking the existing script and modifying it a bit:

Code:

Load_Stdcall_plugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\yadif.dll")
AVISource("Casbah.avi", Pixel_type="YUY2") # Using Cedocida for DV
Yadif(0, 0) # Deinterlace
ConvertToYV12()

fft3dfilter(plane=3, sigma=2)  #clean the chroma planes, tweak sigma as necessary
fft3dfilter(plane=0, sigma=1, sigma2=2, sigma3=2, sigma4=1) #clean the luma plane, tweak the sigmas as necessary
gradfunkmirror(1.51) #Dither the banding that fft3dfilter might reveal

Spline36Resize(1024, 576) #why not expand horizontally to 1:1, or leave at 720x576 and set 16x9 when muxing?

Also, if you're not happy with the loss of motion fluidity inherent in 25i -> 25p, you might encode in 50p (i.e. set YADIF to mode=1).

Just some thoughts

~MiSfit

kutjong · 10th January 2009, 20:02

Where can I get the plugin required for gradfunkmirror? Googling this function didn't show up much...

thetoof · 10th January 2009, 20:53

3rd link of "gradfunkmirror" on google:http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...15#post1111315
you'll also need gradfun2db http://kosmos.kawaii-shoujo.net/gradfun2db/

kutjong · 10th January 2009, 21:04

Yes I looked into that thread, but I don't know what to do with the code...

Where do I insert it?

And gradfun2db I have installed.

thetoof · 10th January 2009, 21:27

oh, when you have script functions like this, save them as functionname.avsi in your plugins directory and they'll be autoloaded just like dlls.

Blue_MiSfit · 10th January 2009, 22:18

Yeah, gradfunkmirror is just a little wrapper for gradfun2db that fixes its curious behavior of not dithering the edges of images.

kutjong · 11th January 2009, 00:21

Ok, thanks.

I've also switched to x264 for compression and I intend to keep resolution and just use PAR flags in MKV.

BTW, when examining the original DV avi file with gspot, it tells me that there is "1.35 GB unneeded bytes at end of file". Is there an easy way to get rid of these unneeded bytes?

4th January 2009, 21:31	#1 \| Link
kutjong Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 114	First time using avisynth, need advice I have about 24 min of DV PAL (interlaced, BFF) footage that I want to convert to xvid. For a target size, I would be happy with about 200 mb. Ok, so first I believe I want to deinterlace, because I want to end up with progressive 25 fps. What is a good deinterlacer for this purpose? IMO, this footage shouldn't be too hard to deinterlace since the camera remains static all the time and movement is fairly limited. I may also want to do some mild denoising, as DV is quite noisy, especially in dark areas and I think denoising makes compression easier. What denoising filters do you recommend? As for aspect ratio, the resolution is standard PAL (720x576) and DAR is 16/9. I guess the best solution for this is to resize to 720x405? This is how my script looks thus far: Code: Load_Stdcall_plugin("yadif.dll") AVISource("C:\Casbah.avi") Yadif(clip, int "0", int "0") FastBicubicResize(720,405) This is my first time using avisynth and I don't know where to go from here... I appreciate any help. Oh, and here's a sample.

4th January 2009, 23:55	#4 \| Link
IanB Avisynth Developer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,167	Yadif is a reasonable smart bob. The correct syntax is Yadif(0, 0) I would choose a sharper resizer like the internal Spline36Resize(). FastBicubicResize() is a fairly old external plugin and the internal resizers are very fast. For Xvid the height needs to be an even number and preferable a number divisible by 16. Popular 16:9 mod16 Xvid sizes with the aspect error. 512x288 0% 544xx304 1.2% 576x320 2.2% 592x336 -1.6% 624x352 -0.5% 656x368 0.5% 688x384 1.4% 704x400 -1.8% For decoding DV I would recommend Cedocida. Seeing you have an interlaced source working in "YUY2" may avoid any chroma problems. AVISource("C:\Casbah.avi", pixel_type="YUY2"). 24 Minutes and 200mb would be 1000kbits video and 128kbits audio, this is generous and extra denoising may not be necessary. Last edited by IanB; 5th January 2009 at 03:36. Reason: Opps wrong syntax :(

7th January 2009, 02:20	#9 \| Link
Blue_MiSfit Derek Prestegard IRL Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,977	All excellent advice, so far! As far as the denoising goes, I'd suggest fft3dfilter, or fft3dgpu if you have a fast graphics card. DV usually has very noisy chroma, so I'd clean that right off the bat (after deinterlacing). So, taking the existing script and modifying it a bit: Code: Load_Stdcall_plugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\yadif.dll") AVISource("Casbah.avi", Pixel_type="YUY2") # Using Cedocida for DV Yadif(0, 0) # Deinterlace ConvertToYV12() fft3dfilter(plane=3, sigma=2) #clean the chroma planes, tweak sigma as necessary fft3dfilter(plane=0, sigma=1, sigma2=2, sigma3=2, sigma4=1) #clean the luma plane, tweak the sigmas as necessary gradfunkmirror(1.51) #Dither the banding that fft3dfilter might reveal Spline36Resize(1024, 576) #why not expand horizontally to 1:1, or leave at 720x576 and set 16x9 when muxing? Also, if you're not happy with the loss of motion fluidity inherent in 25i -> 25p, you might encode in 50p (i.e. set YADIF to mode=1). Just some thoughts ~MiSfit __________________ These are all my personal statements, not those of my employer :) Last edited by Blue_MiSfit; 7th January 2009 at 10:04.

10th January 2009, 20:53	#11 \| Link
thetoof Sleepy overworked fellow Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Maple syrup's homeland Posts: 933	3rd link of "gradfunkmirror" on google:http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...15#post1111315 you'll also need gradfun2db http://kosmos.kawaii-shoujo.net/gradfun2db/ __________________ AnimeIVTC() - v2.00 -http://boinc.berkeley.edu/- Let all geeks use their incredibly powerful comps for the greater good (no, no, it won't slow your filtering/encoding :p)

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thetoof Sleepy overworked fellow Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Maple syrup's homeland Posts: 933	oh, when you have script functions like this, save them as functionname.avsi in your plugins directory and they'll be autoloaded just like dlls. __________________ AnimeIVTC() - v2.00 -http://boinc.berkeley.edu/- Let all geeks use their incredibly powerful comps for the greater good (no, no, it won't slow your filtering/encoding :p)

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Nightshiver Quality Freak Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Area 52 Posts: 597	You have an .avi for a sample? No mpeg files?

4th January 2009, 23:40	#3 \| Link
Guest Guest Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 21,906	His source is DV. Why would he post an MPEG file?

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kutjong Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 114	Where can I get the plugin required for gradfunkmirror? Googling this function didn't show up much...

10th January 2009, 21:04	#12 \| Link
kutjong Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 114	Yes I looked into that thread, but I don't know what to do with the code... Where do I insert it? And gradfun2db I have installed.

10th January 2009, 22:18	#14 \| Link
Blue_MiSfit Derek Prestegard IRL Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,977	Yeah, gradfunkmirror is just a little wrapper for gradfun2db that fixes its curious behavior of not dithering the edges of images. __________________ These are all my personal statements, not those of my employer :)

11th January 2009, 00:21	#15 \| Link
kutjong Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 114	Ok, thanks. I've also switched to x264 for compression and I intend to keep resolution and just use PAR flags in MKV. BTW, when examining the original DV avi file with gspot, it tells me that there is "1.35 GB unneeded bytes at end of file". Is there an easy way to get rid of these unneeded bytes?

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