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Replicated versus burned disks, bitrates, etc.
SP3 ability to deinterlace source is intended mainly (if not only) for checking field order.
High bitrates eg above 8-8.5Mbit can cause problems for few (corrected from many) players, specially if used on burned (not replicated) discs. Last edited by Guest; 16th August 2012 at 12:54. |
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I'm certain it is not just a matter of bitrate and player but especially the burn quality of the disc. I check my DVD-R discs using "Nero CD-DVD Speed" and I get excellent results using quality media and a 2006 BenQ burner. Sometimes, believe it or not, commercially replicated discs have more PI-Failures than my home burnt discs. Playing a rather bad burn the more picky players may produce stuttering in case of very high bitrates, that's why I claim it's not a problem of bitrate but media, burner and maybe player. Last edited by TheSkiller; 13th August 2012 at 09:57. |
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Never had a single problem with high bitrates, and I almost always hit the 9.8 Mbps (I speak about replicated discs).
Anyway, as already said, SP3 for progressive sources, ProCoder for the interlaced sources. The blur of ProCoder is quite light, you can overcome this (at least about fine grain) using avisynth and the blockbuster plugin with noise method applied. BTW, even in the 5-6 mbps range I find the results of SP3 more pleasant than HCEnc (always referred to progressive sources). The output of ProCoder is the same as Carbon Coder, the difference is that ProCoder costs 500$, while Carbon Coder 5000$. They're made for totally different things. Carbon Coder is mainly intender as an "encoding farm" for almost all the professional/broadcast video/audio formats. If you only need to encode to MPEG-2 (and others common formats) there's no need to spend so much money because the output quality is 100% identical (and I mean, mathematically) x262 is too 'immature' to be used and doesn't output a 'stable' image quality. |
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I agree that it's not a real issues these days, as most modern players have no problems to play high bitrate burned DVDs. It also depends on the encoder- eg. Carbon Coder streams seams to have more problems than mpegs from Cinemacraft. Some players have problem with GOPs without B frames also, and this is also what Carbon Coder can make- SP3 has special setting to avoid GOPs without B frames. Overall mpeg2 playback is quite solid in current players. Last edited by kolak; 13th August 2012 at 00:37. |
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Oh, never knew about that, but it explains how they mass produce (even though i havenīt seen the process).
As i canīt see that they have a machine with 10000 dvd drives or something, or maybe it exists;P But with the normal burned, as i canīt do pressed for obvious reasons, i use Verbatim DVD+R, i have modded my DVD Drive to force DVD-Rom booktype which should be good? I know that burning speed can make all the difference, but as i understand it, Slower burn = Better? Cause it will be less error, which means less tear on the laser i think. But i also read something like (Burning at the stated DVD Disc speed is a golden rule!), meaning 16x DVD should be burned at 16x, though i myself donīt know if itīs true or not, does anyone know about this? |
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DVD+R DL should also be burned with DVD-ROM booktype for best compatibility. It doesn't really matter whether you use DVD+R (with DVD-ROM booktype) or DVD-R. I personally use DVD-R. Quote:
I would suggest: 16x media - burn with 8x or 12x. By the way, if you use Verbatim (I use them as well by the way), I would suggest you stay away from the ones that are made in China, they are inferior to the ones made in Taiwan, India and UAE in terms of burn quality and total failures (i.e. discs that fail to burn properly and are instant junk). Last edited by TheSkiller; 16th August 2012 at 10:51. |
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Ah then itīs as i read with the compatibility, good that there isnīt any bad effects from setting DVD-ROM
oh, that was to bad, here is my burning media: http://www.sweburn.com/product.php?productid=167&cat=4&page=1 Not sure, but i think itīs one of the better (think i looked it up). What would you burn these on? |
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I don't have that much experience with different burners but if you use a full-sized internal (not laptop) burner by Plextor, LG, Lite-On, (genuine) BenQ you're good. The older ones are usually pretty good if IDE connection is possible for you. Last edited by TheSkiller; 17th August 2012 at 15:26. |
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Most new DVDRs are burnt with a higher degree of errors, which slows down the drive and thus the increased odds to stuttering. In particular true for DVDR DLs.
Bittsetting doesn't increase the reading speed, just make them be read by older units. Newer units do not care, or even complain if the bitsetting doesn't correspond to the reality (Samsung).
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http://www.cdspeed2000.com/ It gives several types of reports on the quality of your burn, as well as PIE/PIF error statistics (Disc Quality function). Indispensible. |
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