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Old 13th February 2007, 19:15   #201  |  Link
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Wooow. I think I did it .

Processing Key found!!!
Arnezami, I'll tell you the same thing I told muslix64. Unless you're DVD Jon's neighbor in Norway, PROTECT YOUR IDENTITY. Fixing these DRM crippled technologies is only 75% of the victory. The remaining 25% is in making sure you don't become a martyr.

The greatest victories against the rights-thieving media industries are ones where they are denied their pound of flesh.

I'm also mildly curious as to what Doom9's policies are in case it was ever subpoenaed for IP address info. I know it'd certainly be the toughest decision they'd ever have to make.

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Arnezami, I'll tell you the same thing I told muslix64. Unless you're DVD Jon's neighbor in Norway, PROTECT YOUR IDENTITY. Fixing these DRM crippled technologies is only 75% of the victory. The remaining 25% is in making sure you don't become a martyr.

The greatest victories against the rights-thieving media industries are ones where they are denied their pound of flesh.
There's no law against opening up a .aacs or .inf file on a disc and looking around. Or looking at what your computer is putting into memory... or what information is streaming across usb...
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There's no law against opening up a .aacs or .inf file on a disc and looking around. Or looking at what your computer is putting into memory... or what information is streaming across usb...
For the purpose of argument, I will agree. However, if the information you discover is disseminated and implemented for the purpose of circumventing a copy protection measure, it is illegal in countries with DMCA-like legislation.
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didn't we head down that road again before and didn't I put up a hefty roadblock?
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So for the retards like me:

I have a movie, encrpyted, copied via the PS3 on my HDD, no computer hddvd player or bluray player, only a computer with software.

I have mkb.exe and BackupBluRay, can one now make a working copy on a computer using just this software, or do i still need a hddvd player or in this case bluray player?
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fyi, anydvd hd is in beta... http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=122174
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didn't we head down that road again before and didn't I put up a hefty roadblock?
I'll have to plead felony stupid on this one and ask which/when/where/what you're referring to. ^^;;;
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Yup, I opened Unit_Key_RO.inf and found that CPS Unit Key.
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81 9C CC E5 F7 FC F2 C8 F3 0F D5 59 F0 DD CA 0E
Awesome!
Great! No Bus decryption on Blu-ray drives yet and its confirmed Blu-ray uses the same Processing Key as HD DVD.

Very good news indeed .

@FoxDisc: i'm working on something. Please have patience. I need to take time to put it all together and make it comprehensible for everyone (given my available time this could take a couple of days). You've got pretty much everything right. The role of the Processing Key will be explained .

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Arnezami did no wrong!!

Arnezami did no wrong. He studied the publicly available AACS specs and really understood them in and out. And then he knew when, where and when to look. There is no law against someone who looked and he didn't steal anything. He just found the keys under the doormat and he didn't go in. Arnezami has nothing to worry about and he didn't violate any copyright laws. He did it for the challenge and the thrill of discovery.


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Arnezami, I'll tell you the same thing I told muslix64. Unless you're DVD Jon's neighbor in Norway, PROTECT YOUR IDENTITY. Fixing these DRM crippled technologies is only 75% of the victory. The remaining 25% is in making sure you don't become a martyr.

The greatest victories against the rights-thieving media industries are ones where they are denied their pound of flesh.

I'm also mildly curious as to what Doom9's policies are in case it was ever subpoenaed for IP address info. I know it'd certainly be the toughest decision they'd ever have to make.
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For those who didn't catch my hint: stay on topic. Stuff about "protect your identity", and legal discussion don't belong neither in this thread nor in this subforum. I've warned people about that in the backuphddvd thread a while back and I'm very disappointed that I have to sing the same song again so soon.
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Old 13th February 2007, 22:14   #211  |  Link
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Please post Volume IDs of this type (if you find any)

Appollo 13:
Code:
Hex:   40 00 04 06 32 04 20 11 57 47 48 44 56 4D 00 00
Ascii:                          W  G  H  D  V  M
Batman Begins:

Code:
Hex:   40 00 40 06 26 08 10 15 57 47 48 44 56 4D 00 00
Ascii:                          W  G  H  D  V  M
Please help us here.

This could be very useful in determining a way of guessing the Volume IDs for HD DVDs (which might be the reason AnyDVD is only supporting HD DVD atm ).
Are you still interested in HD DVD Volume ID's?

Name and file date and time (mm/dd/yyyy hh:mm):
VID:

Constantine 05/12/2006 5:05
40 00 30 06 53 05 16 11 57 47 48 44 56 4d 00 00

16 Blocks 05/18/2006 2:48
40 00 07 06 02 05 17 17 57 47 48 44 56 4d 00 00

Kiss Kiss Bang Bang 05/25/2006 4:07
40 00 12 06 51 05 15 24 57 47 48 44 56 4d 00 00

Lady in the Water 10/19/2006 8:36
40 00 08 06 16 10 23 18 57 47 48 44 56 4d 00 00

MI3 10/03/2006 15:34
40 00 20 06 10 03 07 19 00 20 20 20 20 20 00 00

Miami Vice 11/17/2006 8:13
40 00 11 16 20 06 08 28 00 20 20 20 20 20 00 00

Swordfish 04/15/2006 2:10
40 00 53 57 4f 52 44 46 49 53 48 20 20 20 00 00

The Matador 10/19/2006 20:41
40 00 ba be 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 1c 00 00

Enjoy!
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Are you still interested in HD DVD Volume ID's?
Yes, we've got a sticky for them: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=120611
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Old 13th February 2007, 22:36   #213  |  Link
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@FoxDisc: i'm working on something. Please have patience. I need to take time to put it all together and make it comprehensible for everyone (given my available time this could take a couple of days). You've got pretty much everything right. The role of the Processing Key will be explained .
@arnezami: Thanks for the quickie reply - it's truly appreciated. There's certainly no hurry - take your time. Do whatever you think is most important first. I'm just trying to understand the whole picture.
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Yes, we've got a sticky for them: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=120611

The sticky is for VUK's.
Mine are VID's
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Old 13th February 2007, 23:01   #215  |  Link
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@Founditalso: Thanks. I'm just looking if there is an easy way to predict these Volume IDs. Maybe there are too many types and we have to find and reveal the private host key (or just accept sniffing as part of the process).

Code:
Constantine 05/12/2006 5:05
Hex:   40 00 30 06 53 05 16 11 57 47 48 44 56 4d 00 00
Ascii:                          W  G  H  D  V  M

16 Blocks 05/18/2006 2:48
Hex:   40 00 07 06 02 05 17 17 57 47 48 44 56 4d 00 00
Ascii:                          W  G  H  D  V  M

Kiss Kiss Bang Bang 05/25/2006 4:07
Hex:   40 00 12 06 51 05 15 24 57 47 48 44 56 4d 00 00
Ascii:                          W  G  H  D  V  M

Lady in the Water 10/19/2006 8:36
Hex:   40 00 08 06 16 10 23 18 57 47 48 44 56 4d 00 00
Ascii:                          W  G  H  D  V  M

Appollo 13:
Hex:   40 00 04 06 32 04 20 11 57 47 48 44 56 4D 00 00
Ascii:                          W  G  H  D  V  M

Batman Begins:
Hex:   40 00 40 06 26 08 10 15 57 47 48 44 56 4D 00 00
Ascii:                          W  G  H  D  V  M
The 06 is very likely YY. So I suspect the other numbers have something to do with time/date or something aswell. The last two bolded ones look like HHMM.

Code:
MI3 10/03/2006 15:34
40 00 20 06 10 03 07 19 00 20 20 20 20 20 00 00
This is YYYYMMDD HHMM probably (ISO format).

Code:
Miami Vice 11/17/2006 8:13
40 00 11 16 20 06 08 28 00 20 20 20 20 20 00 00
This is MMDDYYYY HHMM probably (US format).

Code:
Swordfish 04/15/2006 2:10
40 00 53 57 4f 52 44 46 49 53 48 20 20 20 00 00
Simple: SWORDFISH

Code:
The Matador 10/19/2006 20:41
40 00 ba be 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 1c 00 00
This seems to be a new type. Are you really sure this one is correct?

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I'm just trying to understand the whole picture.
I realized that I had been looking at the wrong part of the AACS specs. I was looking at the HD-DVD recorded specs, when I needed to look at the introduction and common crypto specs. Section 3.2.4 tells how to calculate the Media key:

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Once the device has the correct Device Key D, it calculates a Processing Key K using AES-G3 as described
above. Using that Processing Key K and the appropriate 16 bytes of encrypted key data C, the device calculates
the 128-bit Media Key Km as follows:
Km = AES-128D(K, C) ⊕ (00000000000000000000000016 || uv)
The appropriate encrypted key data C is found in the Media Key Data Record in the Media Key Block.
This gives me the big picture - we don't have a device key, but we've got an intermediate key that the device key gives us that is disk independent and leads to the same answer as the device key would get us. Of course, I'd still love to read arnezami's description later. I'm still working on the whole leaf/node business.
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[code]Constantine 05/12/2006 5:05
Hex: 40 00 30 06 53 05 16 11 57 47 48 44 56 4d 00 00
16 Blocks 05/18/2006 2:48
Hex: 40 00 07 06 02 05 17 17 57 47 48 44 56 4d 00 00
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang 05/25/2006 4:07
Hex: 40 00 12 06 51 05 15 24 57 47 48 44 56 4d 00 00
Lady in the Water 10/19/2006 8:36
Hex: 40 00 08 06 16 10 23 18 57 47 48 44 56 4d 00 00

The 06 is very likely YY. So I suspect the other numbers have something to do with time/date or something aswell. The last two bolded ones look like HHMM.
The 2 before that look like MM or is that just luck ?

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The Matador 10/19/2006 20:41
40 00 ba be 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 1c 00 00[/code]

This seems to be a new type. Are you really sure this one is correct?
Matador is a special case. The disc doesn't play with WinDVD 8 HD. WinDVD stops working and I do not even see the black screen. I do have a log file with the VID however.
When I play it with PowerDVD 7.1 HD it starts but then I get a screen that says that because of parental settings of the player the disc does not play. When I sniff PowerDVD I get the same VID however.

BTW Did you know that the VID's can be found with WinDVD as wel as with PowerDVD? I checked with King Kong and it works (but maybe that is normal).

So with respect to The Matador, as PowerDVD and WinDVD give the same VID, I guess that is what it is?

If you want me to check other things, I have both HD and BD, just let me know.
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Great work indeed ( tho I don't have either of those players )

I wonder why some people don't want to "reveal the cards". I mean, in general sense, nothing gets done if we keep postponing things.

I also wonder why the media corporations try to produce some naive protection technology on audio and/or video at all, because the protections can and and will be broken. If nothing else helps, one can just record the HD-show with his HD-videocam.
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@Founditalso: Thanks. I'm just looking if there is an easy way to predict these Volume IDs. Maybe there are too many types and we have to find and reveal the private host key (or just accept sniffing as part of the process).

Code:
Constantine 05/12/2006 5:05
Hex:   40 00 30 06 53 05 16 11 57 47 48 44 56 4d 00 00
Ascii:                          W  G  H  D  V  M

16 Blocks 05/18/2006 2:48
Hex:   40 00 07 06 02 05 17 17 57 47 48 44 56 4d 00 00
Ascii:                          W  G  H  D  V  M

Kiss Kiss Bang Bang 05/25/2006 4:07
Hex:   40 00 12 06 51 05 15 24 57 47 48 44 56 4d 00 00
Ascii:                          W  G  H  D  V  M

Lady in the Water 10/19/2006 8:36
Hex:   40 00 08 06 16 10 23 18 57 47 48 44 56 4d 00 00
Ascii:                          W  G  H  D  V  M

Appollo 13:
Hex:   40 00 04 06 32 04 20 11 57 47 48 44 56 4D 00 00
Ascii:                          W  G  H  D  V  M

Batman Begins:
Hex:   40 00 40 06 26 08 10 15 57 47 48 44 56 4D 00 00
Ascii:                          W  G  H  D  V  M
The 06 is very likely YY. So I suspect the other numbers have something to do with time/date or something aswell. The last two bolded ones look like HHMM.
Blue = YY (year)
Red = MM (month)
Orange = DD minus 1 (date)

I guess the two bytes in between YY, MM & DD are mm (minute) and hh (hour) respectively and the byte before YY is probably ss (second).
So the embedded time and date stamp is probably in this order: 40 00 ss YY mm MM hh DD 57 47 48 44 56 4D 00 00

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