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Old 20th September 2023, 07:56   #1  |  Link
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Hi, everyone! So, I'm trying to set up AviSynth in my Windows 10 PC using this tutorial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4Py...nel=AndrewSwan but when I ran the unzipped files through VirusTotal to see if they're safe, the results for some of the files came back as suspicious, or containing a TROJAN, which made me very weary of actually moving forward with the installation process.

I do realize the results could simply be false-positives, which am assuming they probably are, bc Windows Defender itself doesn't find anything dangerous in them, but thought it'd be best to ask some of the experienced folks over here what should be done. I also don't know how to properly figure out whether they are false-positives or not.

I'll be posting the results from VirusTotal for y'all to have a look. Thank you very much, in advance, and have a great day.
  1. AviSynthPlus_3.7.3_20230715_vcredist.exe - Clear: 9567a44146b80c2c4da93605b046707f6e46bce48bab4b9b7dd9bd52fd1d6faf
  2. AVSInfoTool_113.7z - *MALICIOUS?*: eae2a492b11923117e6cfa96f48ffaa06c99c016272ce5fd57278a43f40067f0
  3. AvsPmod_v2.7.5.3_.Windows_x86-64.zip - *MALICIOUS?*: d671a3ee26090bcf6d97eeda6b09de4c1f7b08d0a89960eff7cafe4bfd703d9a
  4. ffms2-2.40-msvc.7z - *MALICIOUS?*: 0da7454faaab87fc1515d72ffc2edeaee0e6090fa2f27a8986bdebed06197457
  5. fftw-3.3.5-dll32.zip - Clear: 29882a43033c9393479a4df52a2e9120589c06a2b724155b1a682747fa3e57d4
  6. masktools2_v2.2.30.7z - Clear: 3869f2b8c379069eb4a1283a71a24b9b0273c9d7f3bfdcda8b65c8be01013aae
  7. mvtools-2.7.45-with-depans20210608.7z - Clear: d5036b3d5de2dd644cc262e70212ea76fd8555156ae951f850117e0d17c860e3
  8. NNEDI3_v0_9_4_62.7z - Clear: ee77920348ac70fa1d17702baf2bfbec574b4888f0b316799fbf0274710d3c55
  9. QTGMC.avsi - Clear: c4e8e3f7d0e75f17ced148c6c66d651ae2c70fc97a1f0f1923877be90a4f29c5
  10. RgTools-v1.2.7z - Clear: a8fb8a4a892b2215a377689ec2c207a00dec29297c2fb5eb7236751a4cece72c
  11. VirtualDub2_44282.zip - *MALICIOUS?*: 732246abb9b0cd6101428189df1ac34703aac9c48449fef05e38b5354f0f821f
  12. Zs_RF_Shared.avsi - Clear: 82c8cfe662abe08e097e3d2674d588d009d9569477829b0db9795dc8b8d7034a

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1. AVSInfoTool_113.7z - *MALICIOUS?*: eae2a492b11923117e6cfa96f48ffaa06c99c016272ce5fd57278a43f40067f0
https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/...278a43f40067f0
5 out of 60 says malware, but 2 of those say "suspicious", and 1 says "behaves like injector" which is probably meaning suspicious again.
Remaining 2 detects dont really give a discernible reason other than A.I., artificial intelligence maybe aint so good.
5 / 60, is very low detect (detects based on guesswork), ie 55 / 60 think is good, nothing to be alarmed about.

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3. AvsPmod_v2.7.5.3_.Windows_x86-64.zip - *MALICIOUS?*: d671a3ee26090bcf6d97eeda6b09de4c1f7b08d0a89960eff7cafe4bfd703d9a
https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/...cafe4bfd703d9a
1 / 61, (MaxSecure, never heard of it), says suspicious. Not worth considering.

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4. ffms2-2.40-msvc.7z - *MALICIOUS?*: 0da7454faaab87fc1515d72ffc2edeaee0e6090fa2f27a8986bdebed06197457
https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/...bdebed06197457
1 / 60, (MaxSecure, never heard of it), says suspicious. Not worth considering.

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11. VirtualDub2_44282.zip - *MALICIOUS?*: 732246abb9b0cd6101428189df1ac34703aac9c48449fef05e38b5354f0f821f
https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/...38b5354f0f821f
1 / 63, (MaxSecure, never heard of it), says suspicious. Not worth considering.

Anti-malware guesswork aint as good as it should be.

Can (EDIT: probably) safely ignore all of those. [this is also guesswork]
If score is more like 10 / 60, or above, then maybe get a little more concerned. (but even that is a long way from conclusive).
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Can (EDIT: probably) safely ignore all of those. [this is also guesswork]
If score is more like 10 / 60, or above, then maybe get a little more concerned. (but even that is a long way from conclusive).
Okay, so, to clarify...that means there isn't much to be worried about, right? My laptop's just too weak, am not sure if it'll recover from a virus haha.

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My laptop's just too weak
If laptop is SATA 2.5 inch physical drive, might wanna look at replacing with something like,
22.00, Crucial BX500 3D NAND SATA 2.5-inch SSD Drive, 500 GB Black:- https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=bx500
[I have 1TB versions of these in 6 of my machines, Crucial MX500 are slightly faster and a bit more expensive, but I stick with BX500, difference not worth the bother on data/storage drives,
although might be worth added expense on OS drive]
OS SSD will provide massive speedup on boot, and PageFile on SSD will provide real good kick in speed if a machine is a bit low on physical RAM.
Cannot think of any downside.

If its an old IDE PATA 2.5" drive laptop, might consider something like these,

15.99. GINTOOYUN IDE Hard Drive Enclosure, MSATA Mini PCI-E SSD to 2.5 Inch IDE 44Pin Converter Card with Shell, Black for Notebook Laptop
https://www.amazon.co.uk/GINTOOYUN-E.../dp/B093STXY31
In this case would also need an older msata SSD. [Neither, M.2 SATA SSD, nor nvme SSD]
EDIT: mSata SSD's take 2 edge corner screws to fix to the converter board (others only 1 edge centre screw).
EDIT: New SSD in old laptop? IBM ThinkPad X40 getting faster than ever!:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx7aYawEuKI
EDIT: How to upgrade an IDE drive to an SSD:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAeexVqA7tA


OR (preferred),
12.88. NGFF B/M-Key SSD to 2.5 inch IDE 44Pin Hard Disk Case Enclosure for Notebook Laptop
https://www.amazon.co.uk/M-Key-44Pin...-2652219?psc=1
In this case would also need an B/M-Key, M.2 SATA SSD [NOT an nvme SSD, NGFF = old name for M.2].
EDIT: The single Amazon review from UK is bad, but see non UK reviews.

Whatever SSD converter type you choose, take extreme care checking everything multiple times before buying the SSD card.
(I'm usually in a cold sweat before clicking 'buy' on an SSD card, but so far have never picked the wrong one)

Maybe I did not look hard enough, but I did not find an nvme SSD to IDE 44Pin converter.
[This would be my most preferred choice. EDIT: But maybe not for laptop, more power needed]

IMPORTANT: Also see,
Explaining the Difference Between SSD NVMe and M2 SATA and mSATA:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-2VrxgI49Q

Explaining SSDs: Form Factors, Interfaces & Technologies:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXLfErPEYiw

Lastly, before any cloning of system disk to new SSD (can clone via eg Macrium Reflect, free edition),
also a good idea in Windows Explorer to right click C:\Properties\Disk Cleanup, and clean away as much rubbish as you can.
Reboot, then go into, C:\users\YourUserName\AppData\Local\Temp\ and delete any remaining.
(above AppData might be hidden, Folder Options\Show Hidden Files and Folders).
The Reboot again.
Right Click on C:\, Properties\Tools\Optimise and defragment drive\ and optimise/defrag any that need it.

EDIT: I once had a look at somebodies sluggish laptop, had more sh1t in temp than size of OS. [not a good idea to backup all the sh1t]

EDIT: [nvme SSD draws quite a bit more power, so maybe not so missed on a laptop], maybe also read.
NVMe vs. SATA vs. M.2: What's the Difference Between These SSDs? :- https://www.makeuseof.com/nvme-vs-sa...2-differences/
Should You Upgrade to NVMe? 6 Reasons to Stick With SATA SSDs:- https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/reason...with-sata-ssd/

EDIT: To 'clone' a disk so as to restore to new SSD disk. (very loose instructions)

Get and install Macrium Reflect Free Edition.
On Other Tasks menu, "Create Rescue Media" (make USB bootable version of Macrium).
Reboot and check that USB Rescue disk boots OK.
You can in windows Uninstall Macrium Reflect, you dont need it now.
(I dont like to have an installed copy of Macrium in any system backups I make,
I prefer to use the USB rescue media for everything and ignore the full Windows exe after making the USB recue media).
Create a system backup image via USB bootable Rescue Media, select "Image Disk"
(NOT "clone", ie clone makes exact byte/byte dupe of disk and requires destination drive of a least same size as source),
Image Disk will create a compressed image file of the source drive on a temp external drive, eg USB (you need one of these too).
Then swap out the original hard drive for the new SSD drive (your original system disk will remain pristine in case of problems).
Run USB Macrium Rescue disk again, and "Restore" your compressed image file from your temp USB storage drive to the new SSD drive.
Reboot into Windows and check works ok and that system is still activated.
If Windows did not boot, then re-run the USB Rescue Media and click on something like "Fix problems that prevent Windows from Booting" option.
Below video uses the full Macrium Reflect app for Backup Image to file, (the USB Rescue Media has much the same options as the full app),
but, it does use the USB Rescue media for the Image Restore.
Backup/Restore Your Windows 10 PC with Macrium Reflect!:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbbPm0pJ5nA
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ffms2_r1363 (this is latest ver)

Latest fftw3 ver
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btw. is there any gain of updating fftw3 for Avisynth/Vapoursynth (I'm pretty sure the version I use is a few years old)
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Thanks again! And sorry if the question was a little dumb. I just wanted to make sure am getting things right.
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If laptop is SATA 2.5 inch physical drive, might wanna look at replacing with something like,
22.00, Crucial BX500 3D NAND SATA 2.5-inch SSD Drive, 500 GB Black:- https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=bx500
[I have 1TB versions of these in 6 of my machines, Crucial MX500 are slightly faster and a bit more expensive, but I stick with BX500, difference not worth the bother on data/storage drives,
although might be worth added expense on OS drive]
OS SSD will provide massive speedup on boot, and PageFile on SSD will provide real good kick in speed if a machine is a bit low on physical RAM.
Cannot think of any downside.

If its an old IDE PATA 2.5" drive laptop, might consider something like these,

15.99. GINTOOYUN IDE Hard Drive Enclosure, MSATA Mini PCI-E SSD to 2.5 Inch IDE 44Pin Converter Card with Shell, Black for Notebook Laptop
https://www.amazon.co.uk/GINTOOYUN-E.../dp/B093STXY31
In this case would also need an older msata SSD. [Neither, M.2 SATA SSD, nor nvme SSD]
EDIT: mSata SSD's take 2 edge corner screws to fix to the converter board (others only 1 edge centre screw).
EDIT: New SSD in old laptop? IBM ThinkPad X40 getting faster than ever!:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx7aYawEuKI
EDIT: How to upgrade an IDE drive to an SSD:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAeexVqA7tA


OR (preferred),
12.88. NGFF B/M-Key SSD to 2.5 inch IDE 44Pin Hard Disk Case Enclosure for Notebook Laptop
https://www.amazon.co.uk/M-Key-44Pin...-2652219?psc=1
In this case would also need an B/M-Key, M.2 SATA SSD [NOT an nvme SSD, NGFF = old name for M.2].
EDIT: The single Amazon review from UK is bad, but see non UK reviews.

Whatever SSD converter type you choose, take extreme care checking everything multiple times before buying the SSD card.
(I'm usually in a cold sweat before clicking 'buy' on an SSD card, but so far have never picked the wrong one)

Maybe I did not look hard enough, but I did not find an nvme SSD to IDE 44Pin converter.
[This would be my most preferred choice. EDIT: But maybe not for laptop, more power needed]

IMPORTANT: Also see,
Explaining the Difference Between SSD NVMe and M2 SATA and mSATA:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-2VrxgI49Q

Explaining SSDs: Form Factors, Interfaces & Technologies:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXLfErPEYiw

Lastly, before any cloning of system disk to new SSD (can clone via eg Macrium Reflect, free edition),
also a good idea in Windows Explorer to right click C:\Properties\Disk Cleanup, and clean away as much rubbish as you can.
Reboot, then go into, C:\users\YourUserName\AppData\Local\Temp\ and delete any remaining.
(above AppData might be hidden, Folder Options\Show Hidden Files and Folders).
The Reboot again.
Right Click on C:\, Properties\Tools\Optimise and defragment drive\ and optimise/defrag any that need it.

EDIT: I once had a look at somebodies sluggish laptop, had more sh1t in temp than size of OS. [not a good idea to backup all the sh1t]

EDIT: [nvme SSD draws quite a bit more power, so maybe not so missed on a laptop], maybe also read.
NVMe vs. SATA vs. M.2: What's the Difference Between These SSDs? :- https://www.makeuseof.com/nvme-vs-sa...2-differences/
Should You Upgrade to NVMe? 6 Reasons to Stick With SATA SSDs:- https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/reason...with-sata-ssd/

EDIT: To 'clone' a disk so as to restore to new SSD disk. (very loose instructions)

Get and install Macrium Reflect Free Edition.
On Other Tasks menu, "Create Rescue Media" (make USB bootable version of Macrium).
Reboot and check that USB Rescue disk boots OK.
You can in windows Uninstall Macrium Reflect, you dont need it now.
(I dont like to have an installed copy of Macrium in any system backups I make,
I prefer to use the USB rescue media for everything and ignore the full Windows exe after making the USB recue media).
Create a system backup image via USB bootable Rescue Media, select "Image Disk"
(NOT "clone", ie clone makes exact byte/byte dupe of disk and requires destination drive of a least same size as source),
Image Disk will create a compressed image file of the source drive on a temp external drive, eg USB (you need one of these too).
Then swap out the original hard drive for the new SSD drive (your original system disk will remain pristine in case of problems).
Run USB Macrium Rescue disk again, and "Restore" your compressed image file from your temp USB storage drive to the new SSD drive.
Reboot into Windows and check works ok and that system is still activated.
If Windows did not boot, then re-run the USB Rescue Media and click on something like "Fix problems that prevent Windows from Booting" option.
Below video uses the full Macrium Reflect app for Backup Image to file, (the USB Rescue Media has much the same options as the full app),
but, it does use the USB Rescue media for the Image Restore.
Backup/Restore Your Windows 10 PC with Macrium Reflect!:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbbPm0pJ5nA
Wow! That's a ton of effort you've put into helping out a stranger, which I appreciate greatly. The problem isn't as much with storage (even though I'm running short of it badly now), but with my CPU, which isn't the fastest and most advanced around. It's an i3 10110U.
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Yeah those ultra low power soldered in laptop type "U" i3's are a bit on the slow side, laptops are not ideal for running encodes.
i3-10110U (2Core, 4Thread, 15W TDP) Is quite slow compared to eg i3-10300T (4Core, 8Thread, 35W TDP) used in low power desktop machines, for instance the
Lenovo Tiny series, HP mini series, and Dell micro series, and even more slow compared to i3-10300 (non type "T", 4Core, 8Thread, 65W TDP) in std power machines.
i3-10300T vs i3-10110U :- https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compar...90166vsm915083
i3-10300 vs i3-10110U :- https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compar.../4074vsm915083
i3-10110U: SPEED RANK: 860th / 1420
i3-10300T: SPEED RANK: 235th / 1420
i3-10300: SPEED RANK: 137th / 1420

I kinda like the Tiny/Mini/Micro machines, small, quiet, and low power, low expense machines.
I've just ordered (yesterday) a 2nd user Dell optiplex 7000 Micro:- https://uk.webuy.com/product-detail?...4cc&position=1

I'll probably at some point get 32 or 64 GB of 4800MHz DDR5 for it.
Here, review of Dell 7000 Micro [ THIS is Dell's 1L TinyMiniMicro Scorcher ] :- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQuYhUvQIPQ
EDIT: Above review is for the std power 65W i7-12700, not the low power 35W i7-12700T that I ordered. The reviewer expresses a wish that he
had the lower power machine that I ordered [less noise/expense, but not as fast, review device was provide for free by Dell for the review] .
EDIT: 65W CPU machine has bigger PSU and some other small differences.
EDIT: Dell 7000 has 2 nvme drives but removed the 2.5" SATA connector and caddy present for earlier 70xx series machines.


Here my search links for In-Stock, 2nd user TinyMiniMicro machines [I'm not currently looking for any more of them <no longer secret>, 6 is way more than enough, collection complete for now],
Lenovo Tiny:- https://uk.webuy.com/search/?stext=L...tops+-+Windows
HP Mini:- https://uk.webuy.com/search/?stext=h...tops+-+Windows
Dell Micro:- https://uk.webuy.com/search/?stext=D...tops+-+Windows

Here some TinyMiniMicro benchmark stuff, those with comments are my machines <other machines are offical GeekBench benchmarks>, some of which may have upgrade comments.
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#### BENCH SingleCore/Base Speed/Cores, From GeekBench (Ordered by Single Core)
i9-13900K   2242           8PC/16EC/32T # Fastest Intel CPU
i7-12700T   1778    1.4GHz(4.7GHz) 12C/20T
i5-12500T   1695    2GHz(4.4GHz) 6C/12T
i9-11900T   1558    1.5GHz(4.90GHz) 8C/16T
i7-11700T   1476    1.4GHz(4.60GHz) 8C/16
i5-11400T   1266    1.3GHz(3.7GHz) 6C/12T        # Lenovo ThinkCentre M70q Gen 2 Tiny 225
i5-11500T   1222    1.5GHz(3.90GHz) 6C/12T
i7-8700     1212    3.2GHz 6C/12T                # OMEN 880 600.00
i7-10700T   1188    2GHz(4.5GHz) 8C(16T)
i7-10700T   1050    2GHz(4.5GHz) 8C(16T)         # DELL Optiplex 7080 Micro 215 Upgrade i7-10700T RAM 32GB DDR4-3200 @ 2933MHz
i7-9700T    1044    2.0GHz 8C/16T
i5-10500T   1037    2.3GHz(3.80GHz) 6C/12T       # DELL Optiplex 7080 Micro 215
i7-8700T    1022    2.4GHz 6C/12T
i7-6700T    967     2.8GHz 4C/8T                 # Dell Optiplex 3050 Micro Upgrade i7 + 16GB Ram + 1TB nVme
i3-10100T   962     3.0GHz(3.80GHz) 4C/8T
i5-9500T    941     2.2GHz 6C/6T
i7-7700T    939     2.9GHz 4C/8T
i5-7600T    938     2.8GHz 4C/4T
i3-9100T    914     3.1GHz 4C/4T
i5-8500T    895     2.1GHz 6C/6T                 # HP ProDesk 400 G4 Mini CPU and RAM upgraded
i5-6600T    891     2.7GHz 4C/4T
i7-6700T    888     2.8GHz 4C/8T
i5-8500T    883     2.1GHz 6C/6T
i7-4790T    882     2.7GHz 4C/8T
i3-6300T    856     3.3GHz 2C/4T
i5-8400T    844     1.7GHz 6C/6T
i5-7500T    838     2.7GHz 4C/4T
i3-7100T    835     3.4GHz 2C/4T                # Dell Optiplex 3050 Micro 50
i3-8100T    834     3.1GHz 4C/4T                # HP ProDesk 400 G4 Mini 80
i7-4770T    827     2.5GHz 4C/8T
i3-8100T    820     3.1GHz 4C/4T
i3-6100T    783     3.2GHz 2C/4T
i5-6500T    781     2.5GHz 4C/4T
i5-6500T    759     2.5GHz 4C/4T                # Dell Optiplex 3040 Mini 65
i5-7400T    765     2.4GHz 4C/4T
i5-6400T    691     2.2GHz 4C/4T



#### BENCH MultiCore/Base Speed/Cores, From GeekBench (Ordered by MultiCore)
i9-13900K  25455            8PC/16EC/32T # Fastest Intel CPU
i7-12700T  10938     1.4GHz(4.7GHz) 12C/20T
i5-12500T   7445     2GHz(4.4GHz) 6C/12T
i9-11900T   7158     1.5GHz(4.90GHz) 8C/16T
i7-10700T   6569     2GHz(4.5GHz) 8C(16T)        # DELL Optiplex 7080 Micro 215 Upgrade i7-10700T RAM 32GB DDR4-3200 @ 2933MHz
i7-11700T   6229     1.4GHz(4.60GHz) 8C/16T
i7-10700T   6148     2GHz(4.5GHz) 8C(16T)
i7-8700     5672     3.2GHz 6C/12T               # OMEN 880 600.00
i5-11400T   5237     1.3GHz(3.7GHz) 6C/12T       # Lenovo ThinkCentre M70q Gen 2 Tiny {16GB 3200MHz DDR4}  225
i5-11500T   5082     1.5GHz(3.90GHz) 6C/12T
i7-9700T    5080     2.0GHz 8C/16T
i7-8700T    4743     2.4GHz 6C/12T
i5-10500T   4623     2.3GHz(3.80GHz) 6C/12T      # DELL Optiplex 7080 Micro 215
i5-8500T    4241     2.1GHz 6C/6T                # HP ProDesk 400 G4 Mini CPU and RAM upgraded
i5-9500T    4019     2.2GHz 6C/6T
i5-8500T    3829     2.1GHz 6C/6T
i5-8400T    3721     1.7GHz 6C/6T
i7-6700T    3618     2.8GHz 4C/8T                # Dell Optiplex 3050 Micro Upgrade i7 + 16GB Ram + 1TB nVme
i3-10100T   3439     3.0GHz(3.80GHz) 4C/8T
i7-7700T    3434     2.9GHz 4C/8T
i7-6700T    3226     2.8GHz 4C/8T
i5-7600T    3040     2.8GHz 4C/4T
i7-4790T    3020     2.7GHz 4C/8T
i7-4770T    2911     2.5GHz 4C/8T
i5-6600T    2860     2.7GHz 4C/4T
i3-9100T    2825     3.1GHz 4C/4T
i3-8100T    2707     3.1GHz 4C/4T                # HP ProDesk 400 G4 Mini 80
i3-8100T    2700     3.1GHz 4C/4T
i5-7500T    2682     2.7GHz 4C/4T
i5-6500T    2531     2.5GHz 4C/4T                # Dell Optiplex 3040 Micro 65
i5-6500T    2491     2.5GHz 4C/4T
i5-7400T    2435     2.4GHz 4C/4T
i5-6400T    2193     2.2GHz 4C/4T
i3-6300T    1856     3.3GHz 2C/4T
i3-7100T    1851     3.4GHz 2C/4T                # Dell Optiplex 3050 Micro 50
i3-6100T    1738     3.2GHz 2C/4T
EDIT: Above, my Lenovo i5-11400T scores higher than offical i5-11500T, probably because of 3200MHz DRAM, or maybe better drivers, ???.
EDIT: Above my i7-10700T is slower that official on single thread, but faster on multithread, ???.
EDIT: Above, my i5-11400T supports PCIe 4.0/PCIe 3.0, but Lenovo motherboard only supports PCIe 3.0. (CPU and motherboard may not match for eg max possible RAM)

The TinyMiniMicro machines are of course slower than std power desktops, but my eg HP i5-8500T is 'usable',
the Dell i5-10500T was really quite good <upgraded to i7-10700T, untested yet>, I'm sure the Dell 7000 will be great as is and better with DDR5
[EDIT: CPU & Motherboard supports DDR4 & DDR5, EDIT: Rubbish, mine support only DDR4].
If you do find yourself thinking of getting a TinyMiniMicro, get minimum i5-x500T <where x is generation>, i5-x600T is good <faster>, dont get a i5-x400T <slower>.
Suggest 8th gen minimum.
EDIT: The TinyMiniMicro machines usually come with Win10/Win11 PRO.

TinyMiniMicro are about same size as laptop [EDIT: 7x7x1.25 inches] , but do require a monitor, faster than a slow type "U" laptop, and you dont have to
sit and watch them encode, why not go write a good book instead [EDIT: on your now idle type "U" laptop].

The Dell 7000 is a bit on the expensive side, there are probably a number of acceptable options of less expense,
anyway, I love the little 1 Litre jobs, so cute and dinky.

Lastly, some of the tiny whotsits were purchased from here:- https://www.cashconverters.co.uk/sea...%5D%5B0%5D=all
Above, all PC types sorted by 'newly listed', you might want to do your own search for other machines.
EDIT: NOTE, Cashconverters usually provide several images of the specific machine on offer, so you can maybe see the rear ports
which may reveal undocumented devices eg Optional VGA, Wifi, or other stuff is present. CEX provides at most a single image
which is probably not the machine you will receive, the CEX page is a token representative of all those machines at all stores that
stock the item, so it is maybe a little bit of 'pot-luck' which optional devices will be present in the machine delivered.
For CashConverters, you can message them any questions that you may have. With CEX, you can have them alert you by email
when an item comes back into stock.

Good luck, if you decide to get one, tell what you decided upon and how you like <or dont> the thingy.

EDIT: Approx 2nd user type "T" CPU prices @ CEX (prices will change with time, not necessarily in stock, was price at some time)
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############## :LGA 1700: ############## (Intel 7 is 10nm)

Intel Core i9-13900T (1.1 - 5.3 GHz 8PC/16EC/32T 10nm HD770 36MB Cache DDR4-3200_DDR5-5600_Max128GB PCIe5.0/4.0)
Intel Core i7-13700T (1.4 - 4.9 GHz 8PC/8EC/24T  10nm HD770 30MB Cache DDR4-3200_DDR5-5600_Max128GB PCIe5.0/4.0)
Intel Core i5-13500T (1.3 - 4.4 GHz 6PC/8EC/20T  10nm HD770 24MB Cache DDR4-3200/DDR5-4800_Max128GB PCIe5.0/4.0)
Intel Core i5-13400T (1.3 - 4.4 GHz 6PC/4EC/16T  10nm HD770 20MB Cache DDR4-3200/DDR5-4800_Max128GB PCIe5.0/4.0)

Intel Core i9-12900T (1.4 - 4.9 GHz 8PC/8EC/24T  10nm HD770 30MB Cache DDR4-3200_DDR5-5600_Max128GB PCIe5.0/4.0)
Intel Core i7-12700T (1.4 - 4.7 GHz 8PC/4EC/20T  10nm HD770 25MB Cache DDR4-3200_DDR5-4800_Max128GB PCIe5.0/4.0)    # 170
Intel Core i5-12500T (2.0 - 4.4 GHz 6C/12T       10nm HD770 18MB Cache DDR4-3200/DDR5-4800_Max128GB PCIe5.0/4.0)    # 135
Intel Core i5-12400T (1.8 - 4.2 GHz 6C/12T       10nm HD770 18MB Cache DDR4-3200/DDR5-4800_Max128GB PCIe5.0/4.0)


############## :LGA 1200: ##############
Intel Core i9-11900T (1.5 - 4.9 GHz 8C/16T 14nm HD750 20MB Cache DDR4-3200_Max128GB PCIe4.0)
Intel Core i7-11700T (1.4 - 4.6 GHz 8C/16T 14nm HD750 16MB Cache DDR4-3200_Max128GB PCIe4.0)
Intel Core i5-11500T (1.5 - 3.9 GHz 6C/12T 14nm HD750 12MB Cache DDR4-3200_Max128GB PCIe4.0)      80
Intel Core i5-11400T (1.3 - 3.7 GHz 6C/12T 14nm HD730 12MB Cache DDR4-3200_Max128GB PCIe4.0)      65   # Lenovo ThinkCentre M70q Gen 2 Tiny 225

Intel Core i9-10900T (1.9 - 4.6 GHz 10C/20T 14nm HD630 20MB Cache DDR4-2933_Max128GB PCIe3.0)
Intel Core i7-10700T (2.0 - 4.5 GHz 8C/16T 14nm HD630 16MB Cache DDR4-2933_Max128GB PCIe3.0)      90
Intel Core i5-10500T (2.3 - 3.8 GHz 6C/12T 14nm HD630 12MB Cache DDR4-2666_Max128GB PCIe3.0)      45    # DELL Optiplex 7080 Micro 215
Intel Core i5-10400T (2.0 - 3.6 GHz 6C/12T 14nm HD630 12MB Cache DDR4-2666_Max128GB PCIe3.0)      48
Intel Core i3-10305T (3.0 - 4.0 GHz 4C/8T 14nm HD630 8MB Cache DDR4-2666_Max128GB PCIe3.0)        45
Intel Core i3-10300T (3.0 - 3.9 GHz 4C/8T 14nm HD630 8MB Cache DDR4-2666_Max128GB PCIe3.0)
Intel Core i3-10100T (3.0 - 3.8 GHz 4C/8T 14nm HD630 6MB Cache DDR4-2666_Max128GB PCIe3.0)        32


############## :LGA 1151: ##############
Intel Core i9-9900T  (2.1 - 4.4 GHz 8C/16T 14nm HD630 12MB Cache DDR4-2666_Max128GB PCIe3.0)      140
Intel Core i7-9700T  (2.0 - 4.3 GHz 8C/8T  14nm HD630 12MB Cache DDR4-2666_Max128GB PCIe3.0)      100
Intel Core i5-9600T  (2.3 - 3.9 GHz 6C/6T  14nm HD630 9MB Cache DDR4-2666_Max128GB PCIe3.0)       50
Intel Core i5-9500T  (2.2 - 3.7 GHz 6C/6T  14nm HD630 9MB Cache DDR4-2666_Max128GB PCIe3.0)       40
Intel Core i5-9400T  (1.8 - 3.4 GHz 6C/6T  14nm HD630 9MB Cache DDR4-2666_Max128GB PCIe3.0)       30
Intel Core i3-9300T  (3.2 - 3.8 GHz 4C/4T 14nm HD630 8MB Cache DDR4-2400_Max64GB PCIe3.0)
Intel Core i3-9100T  (3.1 - 3.7 GHz 4C/4T 14nm HD630 6MB Cache DDR4-2400_Max64GB PCIe3.0)         18

Intel Core i7-8700T  (2.4 - 4.0 GHz 6C/12T 14nm HD630 12MB Cache DDR4-2666_Max128GB PCIe3.0)      60
Intel Core i5-8600T  (2.3 - 3.7 GHz 6C/6T  14nm HD630 9MB Cache DDR4-2666_Max128GB PCIe3.0)       70
Intel Core i5-8500T  (2.1 - 3.5 GHz 6C/6T  14nm HD630 9MB Cache DDR4-2666_Max128GB PCIe3.0)       32
Intel Core i5-8400T  (1.7 - 3.3 GHz 6C/6T  14nm HD630 9MB Cache DDR4-2666_Max128GB PCIe3.0)       30
Intel Core i3-8300T  (3.2       GHz 4C/4T 14nm HD630 8MB Cache DDR4-2400_Max64GB PCIe3.0)         25
Intel Core i3-8100T  (3.1       GHz 4C/4T 14nm HD630 6MB Cache DDR4-2400_Max64GB PCIe3.0)         15    # HP ProDesk 400 G4 Mini 80

Intel Core i7-7700T  (2.9 - 3.8 GHz 4C/8T 14nm HD630 8MB Cache DDR4-2133/2666_Max64GB PCIe3.0)    55
Intel Core i5-7600T  (2.8 - 3.7 GHz 4C/4T  14nm HD630 6MB Cache DDR4-2133/2400_Max64GB PCIe3.0)
Intel Core i5-7500T  (2.7 - 3.3 GHz 4C/4T  14nm HD630 6MB Cache DDR4-2133/2400_Max64GB PCIe3.0)   18
Intel Core i5-7400T  (2.4 - 3.0 GHz 4C/4T  14nm HD630 6MB Cache DDR4-2133/2400_Max64GB PCIe3.0)   16
Intel Core i3-7300T  (3.5       GHz 2C/4T 14nm HD630 4MB Cache DDR4-2133/2400_Max64GB PCIe3.0)    15
Intel Core i3-7100T  (3.4       GHz 2C/4T 14nm HD630 3MB Cache DDR4-2133/2400_Max64GB PCIe3.0)    6    # Dell Optiplex 3050 Micro 50

Intel Core i7-6700T  (2.8 - 3.6 GHz 4C/8T 14nm HD530 8MB Cache DDR4-2133_Max64GB PCIe3.0)         40
Intel Core i5-6600T  (2.7 - 3.5 GHz 4C/4T  14nm HD530 6MB Cache DDR3L_1600-DDR4-1866/2133_Max64GB PCIe3.0)   16
Intel Core i5-6500T  (2.5 - 3.1 GHz 4C/4T  14nm HD530 6MB Cache DDR3L_1600/DDR4-1866/2133_Max64GB PCIe3.0)   14   # Dell Optiplex 3040 Mini 65
Intel Core i5-6400T  (2.2 - 2.8 GHz 4C/4T  14nm HD530 6MB Cache DDR3L_1600/DDR4-1866/2133_Max64GB PCIe3.0)   8
Intel Core i3-6300T  (3.3       GHz 2C/4T 14nm HD530 4MB Cache DDR3L_1600_Max64GB PCIe3.0)        6
Intel Core i3-6100T  (3.2       GHz 2C/4T 14nm HD530 3MB Cache DDR3L_1600_Max64GB PCIe3.0)        3

############## :LGA 1150: ##############
Intel Core i7-4790T  (2.7 - 3.9 GHz 4C/8T 22nm HD4600 8MB Cache DDR3-1333/1600, DDR3L_1333/1600_Max32GB PCIe3.0)        70
Intel Core i5-4690T  (2.5 - 3.5 GHz 4C/4T 22nm HD4600 6MB Cache DDR3-1333/1600, DDR3L_1333/1600_Max32GB PCIe3.0)        10
Intel Core i5-4590T  (2.0 - 3.0 GHz 4C/4T 22nm HD4600 6MB Cache DDR3-1333/1600, DDR3L_1333/1600_Max32GB PCIe3.0)        10
Intel Core i5-4570T  (2.9 - 3.6 GHz 2C/4T 22nm HD4600 4MB Cache DDR3-1333/1600, DDR3L_1333/1600_Max32GB PCIe3.0)        3
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Yeah those ultra low power soldered in laptop type "U" i3's are a bit on the slow side, laptops are not ideal for running encodes.
i3-10110U (2Core, 4Thread, 15W TDP) Is quite slow compared to eg i3-10300T (4Core, 8Thread, 35W TDP) used in low power desktop machines, for instance the
Lenovo Tiny series, HP mini series, and Dell micro series, and even more slow compared to i3-10300 (non type "T", 4Core, 8Thread, 65W TDP) in std power machines.
i3-10300T vs i3-10110U :- https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compar...90166vsm915083
i3-10300 vs i3-10110U :- https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compar.../4074vsm915083
i3-10110U: SPEED RANK: 860th / 1420
i3-10300T: SPEED RANK: 235th / 1420
i3-10300: SPEED RANK: 137th / 1420
Yeah, they're definitely not known for being blazing fast, but then again, they're not too terrible, either. I actually frequently run MPEG2 > x264 AVC encodes on it, getting great results and the processing times aren't long.

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Here my search links for In-Stock, 2nd user TinyMiniMicro machines [I'm not currently looking for any more of them <no longer secret>, 6 is way more than enough, collection complete for now],
Lenovo Tiny:- https://uk.webuy.com/search/?stext=L...tops+-+Windows
HP Mini:- https://uk.webuy.com/search/?stext=h...tops+-+Windows
Dell Micro:- https://uk.webuy.com/search/?stext=D...tops+-+Windows
I actually have my eyes on the Intel NUC 13 Pro Series, namely, the TALL version of either the i5 or i7 variants. They tend to be on the quite expensive side, but really are all I have had the time to look into when considering a mid-range semi-powerful mini PC, so I'd like to see how these would stack up against the ones you've listed down there:

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#### BENCH SingleCore/Base Speed/Cores, From GeekBench (Ordered by Single Core)
i9-13900K   2242           8PC/16EC/32T # Fastest Intel CPU
i7-12700T   1778    1.4GHz(4.7GHz) 12C/20T
i5-12500T   1695    2GHz(4.4GHz) 6C/12T
i9-11900T   1558    1.5GHz(4.90GHz) 8C/16T
i7-11700T   1476    1.4GHz(4.60GHz) 8C/16
i5-11400T   1266    1.3GHz(3.7GHz) 6C/12T        # Lenovo ThinkCentre M70q Gen 2 Tiny £225
i5-11500T   1222    1.5GHz(3.90GHz) 6C/12T
i7-8700     1212    3.2GHz 6C/12T                # OMEN 880 £600.00
i7-10700T   1188    2GHz(4.5GHz) 8C(16T)
i7-10700T   1050    2GHz(4.5GHz) 8C(16T)         # DELL Optiplex 7080 Micro £215 Upgrade i7-10700T RAM 32GB DDR4-3200 @ 2933MHz
i7-9700T    1044    2.0GHz 8C/16T
i5-10500T   1037    2.3GHz(3.80GHz) 6C/12T       # DELL Optiplex 7080 Micro £215
i7-8700T    1022    2.4GHz 6C/12T
i7-6700T    967     2.8GHz 4C/8T                 # Dell Optiplex 3050 Micro Upgrade i7 + 16GB Ram + 1TB nVme
i3-10100T   962     3.0GHz(3.80GHz) 4C/8T
i5-9500T    941     2.2GHz 6C/6T
i7-7700T    939     2.9GHz 4C/8T
i5-7600T    938     2.8GHz 4C/4T
i3-9100T    914     3.1GHz 4C/4T
i5-8500T    895     2.1GHz 6C/6T                 # HP ProDesk 400 G4 Mini CPU and RAM upgraded
i5-6600T    891     2.7GHz 4C/4T
i7-6700T    888     2.8GHz 4C/8T
i5-8500T    883     2.1GHz 6C/6T
i7-4790T    882     2.7GHz 4C/8T
i3-6300T    856     3.3GHz 2C/4T
i5-8400T    844     1.7GHz 6C/6T
i5-7500T    838     2.7GHz 4C/4T
i3-7100T    835     3.4GHz 2C/4T                # Dell Optiplex 3050 Micro £50
i3-8100T    834     3.1GHz 4C/4T                # HP ProDesk 400 G4 Mini £80
i7-4770T    827     2.5GHz 4C/8T
i3-8100T    820     3.1GHz 4C/4T
i3-6100T    783     3.2GHz 2C/4T
i5-6500T    781     2.5GHz 4C/4T
i5-6500T    759     2.5GHz 4C/4T                # Dell Optiplex 3040 Mini £65
i5-7400T    765     2.4GHz 4C/4T
i5-6400T    691     2.2GHz 4C/4T



#### BENCH MultiCore/Base Speed/Cores, From GeekBench (Ordered by MultiCore)
i9-13900K  25455            8PC/16EC/32T # Fastest Intel CPU
i7-12700T  10938     1.4GHz(4.7GHz) 12C/20T
i5-12500T   7445     2GHz(4.4GHz) 6C/12T
i9-11900T   7158     1.5GHz(4.90GHz) 8C/16T
i7-10700T   6569     2GHz(4.5GHz) 8C(16T)        # DELL Optiplex 7080 Micro £215 Upgrade i7-10700T RAM 32GB DDR4-3200 @ 2933MHz
i7-11700T   6229     1.4GHz(4.60GHz) 8C/16T
i7-10700T   6148     2GHz(4.5GHz) 8C(16T)
i7-8700     5672     3.2GHz 6C/12T               # OMEN 880 £600.00
i5-11400T   5237     1.3GHz(3.7GHz) 6C/12T       # Lenovo ThinkCentre M70q Gen 2 Tiny {16GB 3200MHz DDR4}  £225
i5-11500T   5082     1.5GHz(3.90GHz) 6C/12T
i7-9700T    5080     2.0GHz 8C/16T
i7-8700T    4743     2.4GHz 6C/12T
i5-10500T   4623     2.3GHz(3.80GHz) 6C/12T      # DELL Optiplex 7080 Micro £215
i5-8500T    4241     2.1GHz 6C/6T                # HP ProDesk 400 G4 Mini CPU and RAM upgraded
i5-9500T    4019     2.2GHz 6C/6T
i5-8500T    3829     2.1GHz 6C/6T
i5-8400T    3721     1.7GHz 6C/6T
i7-6700T    3618     2.8GHz 4C/8T                # Dell Optiplex 3050 Micro Upgrade i7 + 16GB Ram + 1TB nVme
i3-10100T   3439     3.0GHz(3.80GHz) 4C/8T
i7-7700T    3434     2.9GHz 4C/8T
i7-6700T    3226     2.8GHz 4C/8T
i5-7600T    3040     2.8GHz 4C/4T
i7-4790T    3020     2.7GHz 4C/8T
i7-4770T    2911     2.5GHz 4C/8T
i5-6600T    2860     2.7GHz 4C/4T
i3-9100T    2825     3.1GHz 4C/4T
i3-8100T    2707     3.1GHz 4C/4T                # HP ProDesk 400 G4 Mini £80
i3-8100T    2700     3.1GHz 4C/4T
i5-7500T    2682     2.7GHz 4C/4T
i5-6500T    2531     2.5GHz 4C/4T                # Dell Optiplex 3040 Micro £65
i5-6500T    2491     2.5GHz 4C/4T
i5-7400T    2435     2.4GHz 4C/4T
i5-6400T    2193     2.2GHz 4C/4T
i3-6300T    1856     3.3GHz 2C/4T
i3-7100T    1851     3.4GHz 2C/4T                # Dell Optiplex 3050 Micro £50
i3-6100T    1738     3.2GHz 2C/4T
I plan to use it mainly for encodes, ripping [UHD] BluRays, and maybe even hosting a Plex server on it, given all the praise that the onboard Iris Xe graphics, along with the QSV technology are getting for their stellar performance in transcoding multiple 4K rips down to 2K, while barely breaking a sweat.

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I heard somewhere that intel are dropping doing their NUC machines [competition is too good].
But, [THIS Intel NUC 12 Pro is GREAT]:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZbYSUwvea0
Perhaps of interest [Better Intel NUC? ASRock BOX-1260P]:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdnUzEV4PLQ
And the NUC 13 vs Asrock comparison [Why One New NUC is WAY Better - Intel NUC 13 Pro]:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsT2s40s_3k


I kinda like the look of these for a more powerful and still quite small machine [2.5 Litre],
There are currently 2 of them via the CEX HP Mini lists sporting full power i7-8700.
[I think I would wait for Gen 5 or later though, and would probably travel to CEX to see the device if within a reasonable distance,
I've got at least 20 CEX shops within 1 hour on public transport.]
A 2.7L Workstation HP Z2 Mini G4 :- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p82thXoAdKw

From the same guys as above video [STH Project TinyMiniMicro the Plex Server Setup Guide] :- https://www.servethehome.com/sth-pro...r-setup-guide/
I think they also have some kind of guides on Proxmox and PfSense.
Also, same guys channel PlayLists on youtube[with link to all TinyMiniMicro reviews]:- https://www.youtube.com/@ServeTheHomeVideo/playlists

EDIT: Dell 7000 due to be delivered within the next 70 mins, then I have to go to hospital with my busted ankle [review].
EDIT: Arrived. No Wifi and no option slot optional extras, both slots blanked, no VGA, no serial, no 2nd LAN, no nuttin else, Damn.
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Lastly, before any cloning of system disk to new SSD (can clone via eg Macrium Reflect, free edition),
also a good idea in Windows Explorer to right click C:\Properties\Disk Cleanup, and clean away as much rubbish as you can.
Reboot, then go into, C:\users\YourUserName\AppData\Local\Temp\ and delete any remaining.
(above AppData might be hidden, Folder Options\Show Hidden Files and Folders).
The Reboot again.
Right Click on C:\, Properties\Tools\Optimise and defragment drive\ and optimise/defrag any that need it.

EDIT: I once had a look at somebodies sluggish laptop, had more sh1t in temp than size of OS. [not a good idea to backup all the sh1t]

EDIT: [nvme SSD draws quite a bit more power, so maybe not so missed on a laptop], maybe also read.
NVMe vs. SATA vs. M.2: What's the Difference Between These SSDs? :- https://www.makeuseof.com/nvme-vs-sa...2-differences/
Should You Upgrade to NVMe? 6 Reasons to Stick With SATA SSDs:- https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/reason...with-sata-ssd/

EDIT: To 'clone' a disk so as to restore to new SSD disk. (very loose instructions)

Get and install Macrium Reflect Free Edition.
On Other Tasks menu, "Create Rescue Media" (make USB bootable version of Macrium).
Reboot and check that USB Rescue disk boots OK.
You can in windows Uninstall Macrium Reflect, you dont need it now.
(I dont like to have an installed copy of Macrium in any system backups I make,
I prefer to use the USB rescue media for everything and ignore the full Windows exe after making the USB recue media).
Create a system backup image via USB bootable Rescue Media, select "Image Disk"
(NOT "clone", ie clone makes exact byte/byte dupe of disk and requires destination drive of a least same size as source),
Image Disk will create a compressed image file of the source drive on a temp external drive, eg USB (you need one of these too).
Then swap out the original hard drive for the new SSD drive (your original system disk will remain pristine in case of problems).
Run USB Macrium Rescue disk again, and "Restore" your compressed image file from your temp USB storage drive to the new SSD drive.
Reboot into Windows and check works ok and that system is still activated.
If Windows did not boot, then re-run the USB Rescue Media and click on something like "Fix problems that prevent Windows from Booting" option.
Below video uses the full Macrium Reflect app for Backup Image to file, (the USB Rescue Media has much the same options as the full app),
but, it does use the USB Rescue media for the Image Restore.
Backup/Restore Your Windows 10 PC with Macrium Reflect!:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbbPm0pJ5nA
Above from my post #10 in this thread.
Just thought I'de point out that if using Macrium Reflect Image Disk function (instead of Clone Disk), you can keep a copy of the Compressed image as backup, whereas if you use Clone Disk, you would have to keep the original disk drive if wanting a backup (I prefer Disk Image).
BUT, beware, if using Image Disk to [EDIT: Restore to ] a new SSD, then for the new disk to be usable in Macrium USB Rescue, you need to Initialise the disk somehow, does not need formatted but does need MBR or GPT init.
If struggling with ability to Initialise (perhaps due to single nvme connector), then can use some USB bootable tool, eg System Rescue disk (formerly System Rescue CD) to do that. Then can Restore the saved compressed image to to new SSD.

I knew that there was a small problem using the compressed Disk Image rather than using Clone Disk, but could not remember exactly what it was, it was the Initialised disk thingy.

Just done this with my new Dell Optiplex 7000 Micro and is showing as Windows is Activated with a digital Licence OK.
EDIT: You must remove/blank/re-initialise any in-situ original disk, as they will both look identical and cause boot confusion.
I think that you can use Macrium USB rescue disk to blank a drive, also System Rescue Disk too.
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EDIT: Dont miss above post, also posted just a few minutes ago.

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#### BENCH SingleCore/Base Speed/Cores, From GeekBench (Ordered by Single Core)
i9-13900K   2242           8PC/16EC/32T # Fastest Intel CPU
i7-12700T   1778    1.4GHz(4.7GHz) 12C/20T
i5-12500T   1695    2GHz(4.4GHz) 6C/12T

# ...

#### BENCH MultiCore/Base Speed/Cores, From GeekBench (Ordered by MultiCore)
i9-13900K  25455            8PC/16EC/32T # Fastest Intel CPU
i7-12700T  10938     1.4GHz(4.7GHz) 12C/20T
i5-12500T   7445     2GHz(4.4GHz) 6C/12T
Well, I got the Dell 7000 Micro and GeekBench'ed [GeekBench v5, not using current is v6] it, was disappointing.
My original expected numbers (probably average of the first few Official Geekbench readings) were

Single-Thread = 1778
Multi-Thread = 10938

What I was actually getting with delivered device was (average of 5 readings)
[16GB, DDR4 3200MHz DRAM, (single dimm, single channel)]
[basic dell config, Kioxia PCIe 4.0, nvme 256GB, gets pretty low speed rating via an SSD benchmarker]
Single-Thread = 1725
Multi-Thread = 7167

The original Geekbench numbers posted could have been from any version Dell 7000 with i7-12700T,
including the more powerful 7000 Micro with 180W PSU (mine is 130W).
Geekbench does not (usually) show exact version of machine, also there are many possibilities
of exact hardware config, eg make, size and speed of any particular SSD, DDR4 or DDR5 RAM etc.
So I guess posted numbers were from better class machines than the my default Dell Optiplex 7000 Micro (35W TDP version).

After adding another 16GB DDR4 RAM:
[32GB, DDR4 3200MHz DRAM, (dual channel)]
Single-Thread = 1798 [ 1770 / 1825]
Multi-Thread = 8580 [ 8060 / 9100 ]
So, a bit better. [benchmarks average of two runs (some time apart)]

After Replacing slowish PCIe 4.0 Kioxia 256GB, with PCIe 4.0 Crucial P5 PLUS 2TB.
[32GB, DDR4 3200MHz DRAM, (dual channel)]
[Crucial PCIe 4.0 P5 PLUS 2TB]
Single-Thread = 1819 [ 1801 / 1831 / 1825 ]
Multi-Thread = 9511 [ 10091 / 9808 / 8635 ]
So, a bit better. [benchmarks average of three runs]
Was getting slower with each run (all done one after another), so presumably down to thermals.
Best multi-thread score was not so very far below original expected score of 10938.

NOTE, I have ordered a mid range nvme SSD heatsink, and also
2x16GB DDR5 4800MHz sticks (32GB) + a couple of DDR4/5 heatsinks,
so maybe we can get thermals down and perhaps even exceed original score.

I will post how things go at some point [maybe delivery takes about 1 week max].

Oh, and the delivered Dell 7000 Micro [i7-12700T, 35W TDP] had only 39 hours up time on the clock, and about 390GB's total written to original Kioxia (Toshiba consumer division) SSD,
almost brand new.
EDIT: 39 hours up time probably included a few hours of my uptime, and probably quite a bit of the total GB's written were mine too.

EDIT: The Official GeekBench 5 numbers posted were actually from the GeekBench 5.0 version of this v6 Processor Benchmarks List,
https://browser.geekbench.com/processor-benchmarks/
I dont really fancy going back and doing them all again with Geekbench 6.0. [v5 list seems to be no longer available]

EDIT: Below are the two types of heatsink I've ordered,
Icepc-DIY M.2 PCI-E NVME 2280 SSD Graphene Coating Copper Heatsink
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B083FK9FN9
and
Cuifati 2pcs DDR5/DDR4 Ram Cooling Heatsink Graphene Fast Conduction Stable Durable Copper Heat Sink for DDR4 DDR5 Laptop Memory
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0C5DT8LR9
I guess that I've been totally swayed by the Graphene thingy, the DDR heatsinks seem to be very thin copper 'foil', so maybe a leap of faith too far.
DDR5 sodimms and DDR heatsinks arriving tomorrow, nvme heatsink the day after.
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Damn, the DDR5 SODIMM sticks I ordered dont fit
I guess that I just assumed the DDR5 2 extra pins were catered for in the SODIMM sockets but they aint, and the keying dont fit.
Guess I made some assumtions based on this,
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MEMORY OPTIONS
4GB, 1 x 4GB, DDR4, 3200MHz, single-channel
8GB, 1 x 8GB, DDR4, 3200MHz, single-channel
8GB, 2 x 4GB, DDR4, 3200MHz, dual-channel
16GB, 1 x 16GB, DDR4, 3200MHz, single-channel
16GB, 2 x 8GB, DDR4, 3200MHz, dual-channel
32GB, 1 x 32GB, DDR4, 3200MHz, single-channel
32GB, 2 x 16GB, DDR4, 3200MHz, dual-channel
64GB, 2 x 32GB, DDR4, 3200MHz, dual-channel
8GB, 1 x 8GB, DDR5, 4800MHz, single-channel
16GB, 1 x 16GB, DDR5, 4800MHz, single-channel
16GB, 2 x 8GB, DDR5, 4800MHz, dual-channel
32GB, 1 x 32GB, DDR5, 4800MHz, single-channel
32GB, 2 x 16GB, DDR5, 4800MHz, dual-channel
64GB, 2 x 32GB, DDR5, 4800MHz, dual-chan
Machine supports DDR4 or DDR5, but must be based on the Dell ordered configuration only.
Well, I guess them there sticks will come in handy at some point. ( )

Added the two DDR4/DDR5 Heatsinks to the DDR4 SODIMM's,
Cuifati 2pcs DDR5/DDR4 Ram Cooling Heatsink Graphene Fast Conduction Stable Durable Copper Heat Sink for DDR4 DDR5 Laptop Memory
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0C5DT8LR9
(quite difficult to separate the plastic film from the copper foil/graphene heatsink, need use eg razor blade).

[32GB, DDR4 3200MHz DRAM, (dual channel), with graphene heatsink]
[Crucial PCIe 4.0 P5 PLUS 2TB, no heatsink]
Single-Thread = 1834 [ 1838 / 1825 / 1851 / 1817 / 1838] [average of five runs]
Multi-Thread = 9357 [ 9384 / 9431 / 9338 / 9196 / 9435 ]
Single thread a tad better, multi thread a bit worse (???) but at least a bit more consistent.

I also 're-greased' the CPU / CPU-Heatsink, with ARTIC MX-4 thermal paste [supposed to be a good paste].

Not sure how much good the copper foil / graphene DDR4 heatsinks were, but they are staying.

EDIT: At no point during benchmarks did the fan spin up more than a teeny lil bit.

EDIT: nvme copy plate / graphene heatsink delivery tomorrow. [EDIT: Delay, to 5th Oct]
Icepc-DIY M.2 PCI-E NVME 2280 SSD Graphene Coating Copper Heatsink
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B083FK9FN9
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Furher to previous posts,

The Guys doing the Tiny/Mini/Micro stuff on YouTube, ie servethehome (servethehome.com, YouTube:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx4_...uHct5MiUDO8IF4)
have a good resource on specs etc of the tiny/mini/micro machines on their forum,
Tiny/Mini/Micro PC experiences:- https://forums.servethehome.com/inde...riences.30230/

Located in the sub forum, DIY Server and Workstation Builds:- https://forums.servethehome.com/inde...ion-builds.12/

for anybody that finds the teeny-weeny machines of interest.

EDIT: Lenovo differences between models:-
Lenovo Thinkcentre/ThinkStation Tiny (Project TinyMiniMicro) Reference Thread:- https://forums.servethehome.com/inde...-thread.34925/
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