BENCOS - Windows and Linux batch encoder GUI - Page 3

Kurtnoise · 3rd January 2007, 10:29

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Originally Posted by Weltall

I was using RA Alpha 2 since now cause I don't like nero digital, since I saw its inferiority.

hey, you have seen its "inferiority" in a crystal ball ?

Come on, don't speak about something without proofs...

Weltall · 3rd January 2007, 12:50

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Originally Posted by Kurtnoise13

hey, you have seen its "inferiority" in a crystal ball ?

Come on, don't speak about something without proofs...

Oh... sorry, I didn't want to generalize, I was just saying what is true for me, not for everyone. Sorry if you got me wrong. Personally, I'd exchanged aacplus for nero, because of vbr in PS, so I tought it's better. So, in some of my music conversions, I've noticed something. You were talking about proofs. Well, I have one.

Here http://www.mytempdir.com/1146896 or
here http://www.sendspace.com/file/sdl4t1
there's some conversions of an original mp3 at 192kbps Stereo.

Nero Digital (nd): ABR32kbps, VBR16,32,45kbps
aacplus (ap): CBR16,24,32,40kbps.

First, compare low bitrates. Sound in nd at 16kbps is awful, I could clearly perceive higher quality in ap, see what you think. Even ap 24kbps sound looks better than nd's VBR32kbps. At ~45kbps, nd didn't get ap32kbps sound quality (I could say ap24kbps is better). What you think?

I know I couldn't think something like that just for one test only, but I prefer don't risk.

Kurtnoise · 3rd January 2007, 14:45

You mean that you've transcoded a mp3 file to aac and compared them, right ?

Please, use a lossless source first. Then, we can discuss about that.

Sirber · 3rd January 2007, 15:49

@Weltall

1: I'm using enhaacplusenc, the reference encoder, coz it works under windows and linux. Regarding quality, it's pretty good! About the updates, I do it myself and release new versions of the GUI installer.

2: mencoder has libx264 built in, so no x264.exe needed. Also, mencoder doesn't use ffdshow, but has a similar processing power:

http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/man/en/...IDEO%20FILTERS

If you find interresting filters you'd like in BENCOS tell me, and we may add them

@Kurtnoise13

Gonna update the GUI for HE+PS and HE, and maby later LC too. Thanks!

Weltall · 6th January 2007, 19:57

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Originally Posted by Kurtnoise13

You mean that you've transcoded a mp3 file to aac and compared them, right ?

Please, use a lossless source first. Then, we can discuss about that.

It's here http://www.mytempdir.com/1156884 or http://up-file.com/download/ca976936...-test.rar.html
Results are almost same as before (even more noticeable for me, I'd say). Btw, I really don't know why this, since I always use the codecs to encode previously encoded sound (mp3 in my animes and tvshows/movies). Well, wherever.

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Originally Posted by Sirber

@Weltall

1: I'm using enhaacplusenc, the reference encoder, coz it works under windows and linux. Regarding quality, it's pretty good! About the updates, I do it myself and release new versions of the GUI installer.

2: mencoder has libx264 built in, so no x264.exe needed. Also, mencoder doesn't use ffdshow, but has a similar processing power:

http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/man/en/...IDEO%20FILTERS

If you find interresting filters you'd like in BENCOS tell me, and we may add them

@Kurtnoise13

Gonna update the GUI for HE+PS and HE, and maby later LC too. Thanks!

I didn't know about that reference encoder. Will you add Kurtnoise's tweaked version of it?

I understood about libx264, but, which x264 version it's using? I mean, it's x264, so there is a way to know that? when mencoder updates, it updates that libx264 along? Just to know.

The only filter I would really enjoy is one that works like level filter in ffdshow, with the following levels:

Corrects gray tone of badly ripped/encoded inputs (almost like tv-->pc avisynth filter), also Didee's YlevelsS don't affect dark areas too much as "original mode" (don't make them more darker). That would be very useful to me, cause I'm dealing with files like this everytime.

Btw, I've encoded a tvshow episode and sound gets very unsynchronized. I suppose cause it's 48khz and encoder waits 44khz, but I'm not so sure. Some animes I've encoded are very nice! What do you think?

One more thing, that profiles are just like megui's? I can use "movies" profile for tvshows and I will have same quality results?? It'd make my life so easy, that wouldn't have fun lol.

Thank you very much for your support Sirber!

Sharktooth · 7th January 2007, 04:22

Profiles are different from the one you find in megui but x264 settings are set by both Quality and Source options.
Source option will affect the deblocking settings and the number of B and Reference frames while the Quality option will affect the ME algorithm, partitions and subpixel refinement.
For what concerns the desync is something we're still working on... but there's no easy way out...

Sirber · 7th January 2007, 04:27

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Originally Posted by Sharktooth

For what concerns the desync is something we're still working on... but there's no easy way out...

That makes old Sirber cry

Sharktooth · 7th January 2007, 04:29

There's no EASY way out...

Sirber · 7th January 2007, 04:30

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Originally Posted by Sharktooth

There's no EASY way out...

Sirber cries.

Weltall · 7th January 2007, 06:14

Thanks!

What about that filter, Sirber? Is there something like it on mencoder that could be added in BENCOS?

Sirber · 7th January 2007, 16:28

I'm not sure I can do that with presets

We would have to make a level editor, but it might be more complex than BENCOS itself. We'll see after we fix the random delays.

Weltall · 9th January 2007, 04:22

Don't need to be completely like that, just a filter that corrects gray tone of badly ripped files is more than fine, something like avisynth tv->pc. I think mencoder have that.

Btw, I've tried that 3GPP encoder with another gui that has it, same thing, desync was present. But when I used it with ct aac+ or nerodigital that was gone! With nero digital, delay was 160ms, with newer ct aac+ was 16ms (saw in foobar2000).

Sirber · 9th January 2007, 04:33

the delay is not caused by the encoder (in our problem), but by mencoder on video stream.

Weltall · 9th January 2007, 07:32

I've compared conversions with mp3 demuxed file (my foobar doesn't play avi files). 3GPP encoded file had aprox 3 minutes more than the orignal mp3 (what I called desync). It seems sound is played more slowly o.O. So it's different of BENCOS' matter? Ok then, I thought the problem could be that.

What about that?

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Don't need to be completely like that, just a filter that corrects gray tone of badly ripped files is more than fine, something like avisynth tv->pc. I think mencoder have that.

DarkZell666 · 9th January 2007, 09:37

for levels correcting, mencoder provides "-vf pp=al:f" (al=autolevels, f=full range), but it doesn't always work (if any single pixel is above the tv max value, the stretching doesn't occur at all, it seems).

Sirber · 9th January 2007, 13:09

gonna add a checkbox!

Eretria-chan · 12th January 2007, 16:59

So, what is the "hidden" function in this one, Sirber?

The one that is something never seen before!
I just checked out the program and noticed the following...

- No drag & drop (I assume it's on your todo list?)
- No add folders (I assume it's on your todo list?)
- Add files dialog title isn't english.
- A lot of jibberish that is gotten from Mencoder is displayed in the status. Wouldn't is actually be better if you extracted progress, speed and time left instead?
- Currently testing a source that failed in RA. Just to see how it goes...

Again with the quality... what's the difference between them? Is it worth slower speed for a higher Quality profile or is it just better to up the bitrate?

Still doesn't seem to like the audio. Rest of the log was deleted (or isn't showing when pressing the log button):

C:\x86 Apps\Bencos\enhAacPlusEnc.exe "audio.wav" "C:\DOCUME~1\Shizuka\LOKALA~1\Temp/bencos/audio.mp4" --cbr 32000

*************************************************************
* Enhanced aacPlus 3GPP Floating Point Reference Encoder
*
* Source timestamp Wed Jan 3 10:01:12 2007
* Build Jan 3 2007, 10:01:18
*************************************************************

No valid SBR configuration found

Sirber · 12th January 2007, 17:24

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