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2nd March 2010, 20:32 | #121 | Link |
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In theory nobody does. In practice? What has happened to Vorbis? It was open source+high quality. The history is repeating. Everybody promised soon dead to other not-free or closed schemes of audio compression.
Open source and high quality aren't enough. Without wide compatibility (include hardware support) VP8 won't go any far. Last edited by IgorC; 2nd March 2010 at 20:37. |
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I'm not followed the story with vorbis. Maybe it claimed to replace something, or claimed wide hardware support and turned out it was fail, but VP8 is another story. Now that Google owns all its patents, all that we should expect from it is to became open standard for web video. Also if VP8 will be opened, popularity of vorbis also may be boosted (it will be good idea to use open audio). I agree that VP8 won't go far, it will be just a format for web. For that it doesn't even need to be better than h264 in terms of compression... If it won't be open... yes, it will be even more dead than vorbis Open source and high quality are enough. Why? Because for web we anyway don't have anything better. |
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The h.264 spec is open, just not free. I'm not sure what you mean by open source (as in editable?) but the theora bitstream is locked and pretty much can't be changed. If you mean the encoder, well there's an open source, high quality h.264 encoder... For VP8 to get any support, the bitstream would also have to be frozen (with the possibility of future expansion).
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I mean something that can be used by anyone without paying anything and with quality better than theora.
EDIT: I didn't actually mean unfrozen bitstream. And free opensource encoders by google - why not? Last edited by Keiyakusha; 2nd March 2010 at 22:53. |
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Looks like Sorenson may be jumping on the VP8 bandwagon.
http://newteevee.com/2010/05/10/is-s...etting-on-vp8/ |
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What a surprise hehe not really anything is better Technology wise then what Sorenson presented over the last years :P
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Wrong. Many, many companies have variants on H.264 that they sell (e.g. SVQ3, RV30, RV40, etc). The patent licenses are nondiscriminatory and they're required to sell you one if you ask for it, even if you're not using it for H.264.
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Well you have the advantage over me by having up to date information about the existing licenses, while I have to go with web leaks ... so tell me is this no longer part of the MPEG-LA AVC pool license?
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and thus it begins.
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/s...,1305194.shtml add Zencoder to that list. http://newteevee.com/2010/05/18/zenc...en-source-vp8/ Last edited by the Mad Duke; 19th May 2010 at 00:02. |
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On Wednesday, I will be coming out with the first in-depth analysis of the VP8 standard, along with the On2 encoder and decoder. This will cover every major part of the spec, along with the features of the encoder, its performance, quality, and patent risks.
Watch my blog.
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Google conference will be available online as well http://www.youtube.com/GoogleDevelopers
This goes beyond just videocodec VP8. Google pushes TV platform. Serious deal for global communication systems. |
20th May 2010, 16:25 | #135 | Link |
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http://x264dev.multimedia.cx/?p=377
Dark Shikari GJ I dont see single point where vp8 is better then h264... I cant see it`s better then baseline ... comapre to main profile vp8 looks a lot closer to Mpeg 4 ASP(xvid etc) |
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U have right
and still vp8 doesn`t have to be worse then xvid and h264 baisline profile Google claim something else : 50% batter then h264, broadcast QUALITY 720@ 1200... both is joke ... Last edited by weasel_; 20th May 2010 at 19:19. |
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The demo video on the On2 VP8 website tries its best to make H.264 look worse than VP8. But it also shows clearly that the "slightly more convenient look" could only be achieved by massive post processing. As long as there is no full-featured and detailed configurable encoder, there is no objective comparison with fair encoder option balance...
And comparing against "x264" instead of "H.264" is indeed a bold challenge! Other AVC encoders (like MainConcept) would have been more harmless competitors. |
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Nothing inherently wrong with post-processing filters, wanting to keep everything in loop is a bad habit ... what is good for the eye is not necessary good for the encoder. Of course for it to be really relevant the codec should have sideband information to indicate the postprocessing should be done.
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