Subtitle Edit

[markfilipak]

Originally Posted by Emulgator

At the moment SE rolls the dice to make names, and paths are hardcoded.
Maybe you can ask Nikse to change that, I would welcome that too.

Thanks, I will. That purportedly is the way Flitskikker's beautifier worked. ... I would run Flitskikker's beautifier on its own and then import the timecodes and shotchanges but as you see from my previous post, importing timecodes doesn't seem to work either -- it seems to provoke some sort of generic unknown-subtitle-type response. I've tried opening to the SRT file, and opening to the video file, but whichever file is opened first, I get the same response upon import of the previous timecodes. Actually, SE _should_ bring in the existing timecodes that it generated in an earlier run, but that isn't happening either. Oh, dear. Do you have any insight into these problems? I'd prefer a workaround to having to spend the time and effort to compose and test and document a bug report.

[Emulgator]

Here I run 5 versions of SE side by side as noinstalls,unpacked straight from the .zip, so no hassle with hidden/shared paths.
C:\Users\Administrator\AppData\Roaming\Subtitle Edit\TimeCodes\: I would abhore that ;-)
For the cutting edge version
C:\_PROG\! Subtitle Tools\SubtitleEditBeta\SceneChanges
C:\_PROG\! Subtitle Tools\SubtitleEditBeta\ShotChanges
C:\_PROG\! Subtitle Tools\SubtitleEditBeta\TimeCodes
For the safe versions SE408
C:\_PROG\! Subtitle Tools\SE408\SceneChanges
C:\_PROG\! Subtitle Tools\SE408\ShotChanges
C:\_PROG\! Subtitle Tools\SE408\TimeCodes
and so on down to SE404.
Let SE generate the first set of timecodes/shotchanges.
Make a copy of each, rename the originals
6316127b6e514232.timecodes20241130a
change any threshold and let SE regenerate.
Same procedure. Rename to
6316127b6e514232.timecodes20241130b
.....
6316127b6e514232.timecodes20241130c
Now you may merge (WinMerge)/handedit on these.
Merge them as you prefer and rename the result back to
6316127b6e514232.timecodes
SE should read that file with the same name back into the linked project without knowing you were inbetween.
If I can force a timecode file with differing name into a project... let's see.
At the moment I can't find the way of SE linking the .waveform .gifs, and the timecodes, and the shotchanges with the assets.

[markfilipak]

Originally Posted by Emulgator

Here I run 5 versions of SE...

Emulgator, I'm going to assume you are responding to me. Kindly forgive me if I'm wrong.

Why are you running five differing versions of SE?

Are you suggesting that differing shotchanges, some with 'bright'-thresholds (~0.20) and some with 'dim'-thresholds (~0.07) be made, then edited, then merged with the bright segments taken from the 'bright'-shotchange file and the dim segments taken from the 'dim'-shotchange file? Yes, of course. But is that necessary?

I have set threshold to 0.07 and simply ignore any false shotchange-bars that result -- they really don't hurt anything. As an experiment I was thinking of setting threshold to 0.01 in hopes that every frame would be considered a shotchange frame so that when I move subtitle front-ends and/or back-ends with shotchange-snap "ON", they will always be frame-aligned. I don't have the time for the experiment now, but I may do it in the future.

Edit:
I tried to do the experiment but the shotchange threshold (aka "sensitivity") wouldn't go below 0.05, so I abandoned the attempt.

[Retired@55]

I have a lot of trouble when the subtitles I run thru SE have a lot of these ♪...

It doesn't seem to make any difference if the Music Symbol option is checked or not.

[Emulgator]

Shotchanges can of course be handled within one version of SE, ffmpeg/ffprobe do not change in that regard.
And setting any threshold to very sensitive, then deleting the false positives is good too.

I only mentioned my 5-version approach to explain the possibility of choosing from a multitude of results without having to un/reinstall
AND no interference with my files while in common system paths.
If I want to introduce any file to the other SE version I copy over and I rename, not hoping for being picked up or not and fail.

As an example the various speech-to-text results of the various whisper installations that manifest with different SE versions across different languages make it worth for me.
In the end I shall keep 3.6.13 with the then whispers, and maybe some 2 or 3 earlier versions 4.0.x, like 4.0.2, 4.0.4..., and the last version.

[markfilipak]

Originally Posted by Retired@55

I have a lot of trouble when the subtitles I run thru SE have a lot of these ♪...

Tip: Those are UTF-8 symbols. Do you have trouble with UTF-8? What sort of trouble?

[markfilipak]

Timecodes from the preceding session do not reload in a new session -- same MP4, same SRT. In an attempt to make the situation better, if I use

'File'>'Import'>'Time codes...'

an open dialog appears; if I deselect

'Files of type: Subtitle files'

and select

'Files of type: All files'

then browse to

'c:\Users\Administrator\AppData\Roaming\Subtitle Edit\TimeCodes\eeab10db83639b26.timecodes'

and open it, I get the timecode list, but with same "Unknown subtitle type" notice shown in my posting, here: https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.p...26#post2010626. If I nonetheless click [_Okay_], timecodes are still not loaded. I believe this is a bug. Does anyone wish to comment? Replication of this would be helpful. Thanks!

[markfilipak]

May I suggest again that there needs to be a hard <br />? Perhaps shown as <<br />>?

Without <<br />>, this:

- PICARD: Situations like these are<br />- What?

- PICARD: never easy, Number One.<br />- What wasn't easy?

is displayed as

- PICARD: Situations like these are- What?

- PICARD: never easy, Number One.
- What wasn't easy?

If I add any punctuation following the word "are", then the second line of the first subtitle is correctly displayed (along with the bogus punctuation of course). But if there is nothing following the word "are", then the second line is incorrectly concatenated as shown above.

[Emulgator]

No problems here. I just input text "- PICARD: Situations like these are" without tags, press ENTER, and there it is: A hard line break.

[markfilipak]

Originally Posted by Emulgator

No problems here. I just input text "- PICARD: Situations like these are" without tags, press ENTER, and there it is: A hard line break.

The problem is with the 2nd line following the 1st line. There is no hard line break between them even though there's <br /> between them, so, the 1st & 2nd lines become one line. I have run into this error many times. This time, I can't find a trick to fix it -- that is, I can't put any punctuation at the end of line 1. Look at my post completely.

PS: I just reread your posting... I am _not_ putting the '<br />' tags in. SE is putting them in.

PPS: To be clear, the source is this:

545
00:36:42,450 --> 00:36:44,740
- PICARD: Situations like these are
- What?

[cubicibo]

SRT sucks, stop using it and move to better formats like ASS.

[Retired@55]

Originally Posted by markfilipak

Tip: Those are UTF-8 symbols. Do you have trouble with UTF-8? What sort of trouble?

OK, so how do I deal with that ??

I don't have any other issues that are worth complaining about, but the music symbol is a problem, and has been for me, for years.

I "rip" the subs using gMKVExtractGUI.v2.6.4, and then run it thru SE, and some of the characters that it replaces the music symbol with, are very random & varied.

I will capture the symbol every so often, tho.

Any suggestions ??

[Retired@55]

Originally Posted by cubicibo

SRT sucks, stop using it and move to better formats like ASS.

Maybe so, but what if your TV doesn't recognise ASS ???

[cubicibo]

Originally Posted by Retired@55

Maybe so, but what if your TV doesn't recognise ASS ???

Complain to the TV manufacturer, or use other formats. People got LG to add support for new formats by complaining continuously.

[markfilipak]

Originally Posted by Retired@55

... Any suggestions ??

Yes. Use SE to rip the subs.

[Emulgator]

I think I get it now.
I was inputting 1st line by hand, pressing ENTER, inputting 2nd line and fine, got my hard line break;
and you were handing over a 2-liner .ass file which got then rendered as 1-liner ?

[markfilipak]

Originally Posted by Emulgator

I think I get it now. ... and you were handing over a 2-liner .ass file which got then rendered as 1-liner ?

Not quite, my friend. I'm working on an SRT. This fragment:

545
00:36:42,450 --> 00:36:44,740
- PICARD: Situations like these are
- What?

is the SRT source. And because "are" is not followed by a punctuation character, it's rendered as this:

- PICARD: Situations like these are- What?

This:

- PICARD: Situations like these are<br />- What?

is the list version of the same fragment. Is that clear, now?

What I propose is that a hard line break be added to SE so that the lines are displayed as this:

- PICARD: Situations like these are
- What?

I also propose that the hard line break be list-displayed as <<br />>.

PS: It occurs to me now that perhaps the "are<br />" -- no punctuation following "are" -- exposes a bug, eh?

[Emulgator]

Copied your first code block 545... into Editor, renamed Picard.srt, opened onto any odd video in SE4.0.8:
Rendered here as a 2-liner from the start.
A program settings thing maybe, otherwise the world of SE users would have complained ?

[markfilipak]

Originally Posted by Emulgator

... A program settings thing maybe, otherwise the world of SE users would have complained ?

Oh, dear... I have:

'Settings'>'Continuation style'>'None' <<-- this is my setting
                                'None, dots for pauses (trailing only)'
                                'None, dots for pauses'
                                'None, ellipsis for pauses (trailing only)'
                                'None, ellipsis for pauses'
                                'Dots (trailing only)'
                                'Dots'
                                'Ellipis (trailing only)'
                                'Ellipis'
                                'Dash'
                                'Dash, but dots for pauses'
                                'Custom'

Perhaps your setting is something other than 'None', eh?
I don't think I've changed any settings other than 'Appearence'.

[Emulgator]

"None" here as well, never touched it. Hm.