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Old 27th January 2020, 12:46   #18281  |  Link
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I'm currently buying some parts to upgrade my encoding PC and I need a little advice. I've never used a dedicated graphics card before as I never play any games so I just use the integrated graphics.
My new CPU does not have integrated graphics so I need to buy a GPU. Noise levels are very important to me so I was planning to buy a GT 1030 2GB passive GPU.
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Will this card be sufficient to benefit from GPU decoding in RipBot? Should I be looking at a more powerful card or is this one sufficient?

I would appreciate any advice. Cheers.
A couple of things I'd like to add...

Just how much benefit would a GT 1030 give..(compute units)

Is passive cooling going to be sufficient if being used for heavy use..

I have an MSI GTX 1080, and an MSI RX 480, both have 2 big fan's, but don't spin until they get hot, and then they are very quiet.

What CPU are you running ??
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Old 27th January 2020, 13:14   #18282  |  Link
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100% sufficient.
Great, thanks for confirming.

So there is no performance benefit (for encoding) in buying a more powerful GPU?
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Old 27th January 2020, 13:19   #18283  |  Link
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Great, thanks for confirming.

So there is no performance benefit (for encoding) in buying a more powerful GPU?
You would be surprised how irrelevant is difference between gt710 and RTX2080ti in terms of video decoding speed...

GT710 can decode AVC blu-ray (~26Mbps) at ~120fps
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AVSMeter 2.5.3 (x64) - Copyright (c) 2012-2017, Groucho2004
AviSynth+ 3.4 (r2925, master, x86_64) (3.4.0.0)

Number of frames:                14405
Length (hh:mm:ss.ms):     00:10:00.809
Frame width:                      1920
Frame height:                     1080
Framerate:                      23.976 (24000/1001)
Colorspace:                       i420

Frames processed:               14405 (0 - 14404)
FPS (min | max | average):      38.51 | 195.9 | 121.7
Memory usage (phys | virt):     95 | 259 MiB
Thread count:                   20
CPU usage (average):            2%

Time (elapsed):                 00:01:58.320

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You would be surprised how irrelevant is difference between gt710 and RTX2080ti in terms of video decoding speed...
Interesting comment, but really, if you have substantial CPU power, why would you want to use GPU, unless you have several.

Surely it's only a small % of "help", and there's only some filters that use GPU's for filtering, not encoding.

MDegrain is CPU, KnlMeansCL is GPU.
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Interesting comment, but really, if you have substantial CPU power, why would you want to use GPU, unless you have several.

Surely it's only a small % of "help", and there's only some filters that use GPU's for filtering, not encoding.

MDegrain is CPU, KnlMeansCL is GPU.
You do not have to tell me that In practice GPU decoding may reduce encoding time by only ~5%.
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You do not have to tell me that In practice GPU decoding may reduce encoding time by only ~5%.
Hmmm, better spending that money on CPU's, not necessarily on powerful GPU's.
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You would be surprised how irrelevant is difference between gt710 and RTX2080ti in terms of video decoding speed...

GT710 can decode AVC blu-ray (~26Mbps) at ~120fps
Code:
AVSMeter 2.5.3 (x64) - Copyright (c) 2012-2017, Groucho2004
AviSynth+ 3.4 (r2925, master, x86_64) (3.4.0.0)

Number of frames:                14405
Length (hh:mm:ss.ms):     00:10:00.809
Frame width:                      1920
Frame height:                     1080
Framerate:                      23.976 (24000/1001)
Colorspace:                       i420

Frames processed:               14405 (0 - 14404)
FPS (min | max | average):      38.51 | 195.9 | 121.7
Memory usage (phys | virt):     95 | 259 MiB
Thread count:                   20
CPU usage (average):            2%

Time (elapsed):                 00:01:58.320
So how would this change, if you were decoding 4K footage ??

And then with 8K "just around the corner", that will really throw a "cat among the pigeons"....
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And then with 8K "just around the corner", that will really throw a "cat among the pigeons"....
8K around the corner? Where? In Japan or South Korea?

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So how would this change, if you were decoding 4K footage ??
Why don't you check yourself. If GPU supports HEVC decoding then 4k should not be a problem. I expect again 120+ fps during pure decoding on GT1030.

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8K around the corner? Where? In Japan or South Korea?


Why don't you check yourself. If GPU supports HEVC decoding then 4k should not be a problem. I expect again 120+ fps during pure decoding on GT1030.
I'm just saying....ok it is sort of starting to show up.. I mean, I can buy 8K TV here in Australia if I wanted to, but where are you going to get 8k footage from...

I doubt that I will test GPU decoding.... I don't use GPU for anything but 4k playback and display for my 4K LG monitor...
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I doubt that I will test GPU decoding.... I don't use GPU for anything but 4k playback and display for my 4K LG monitor...
It is simple. Just click on AVS METER icon. Do not forget to activate GPU decoding in options first and do not perform any filtering in script.

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A small feature request

Atak,

You know it would be VERY handy to be able to shutdown the Client PC, at any chosen chunk, instead of having to sit there, until the chunk(s) is completed, then manually stop the process.

If this:- = SHUTDOWN SERVER AT IDLE STATE (Finish encoding current chunk and then shutdown), could be added to the Clients options, instead of just the Servers.

Or better still (just on the Client), if the encoding process could be gracefully closed, and not start the next chunk, then you could abort out, without the job having been completed, ready to resume, whenever...
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is there any way to make an encode with HDR10+ from a DolbyVision title?
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Joining a 2 part movie

I know this question is a little off topic for this forum, but it is along the lines of a question jojo54000 asked, several days ago.

I am trying to join 2 parts of a movie, and I can get each part to playback well, after running them thru either tsMuxer, or MKVToolnix, but when I "merge / append" the parts together, either using tsMuxer of MKVToolnix, the 2nd part is out of sync.

I have several movies that are like this, meaning it 2 parts, and I'm not having much luck.

Anybody with a hint, would be welcome.
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Old 29th January 2020, 11:50   #18294  |  Link
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Quick hardware question....
Which would you prefer?

1. Increase 16GB 3200 DDR4 RAM to 3600
2. Increase 16GB 3200 DDR4 RAM to 32GB 3200

Purely encoding related usage - no games
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quick hardware question....
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1. Increase 16gb 3200 ddr4 ram to 3600
2. Increase 16gb 3200 ddr4 ram to 32gb 3200

purely encoding related usage - no games
#2...depends on how much filtering and work you give the system.

But a more powerful CPU would be a lot better...what are running ??
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I know this question is a little off topic for this forum, but it is along the lines of a question jojo54000 asked, several days ago.

I am trying to join 2 parts of a movie, and I can get each part to playback well, after running them thru either tsMuxer, or MKVToolnix, but when I "merge / append" the parts together, either using tsMuxer of MKVToolnix, the 2nd part is out of sync.

I have several movies that are like this, meaning it 2 parts, and I'm not having much luck.

Anybody with a hint, would be welcome.
There are several ways to reassemble the 2 parts:
1- copy / b (first demux the videos .h265 / .h264)
2- mp4box
3- ffmpeg
4- mkvtoolnix
the safest is with 'copy / b' and the least secure with mkvtoolnix according to my tests.
with 'copy / b', never had synchronization concerns, but the 2 parts must be encoded exactly with the same options, resolution ... and avoid videos with OpenGOPs.
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There are several ways to reassemble the 2 parts:
1- copy / b (first demux the videos .h265 / .h264)
2- mp4box
3- ffmpeg
4- mkvtoolnix
the safest is with 'copy / b' and the least secure with mkvtoolnix according to my tests.
with 'copy / b', never had synchronization concerns, but the 2 parts must be encoded exactly with the same options, resolution ... and avoid videos with OpenGOPs.
Thnx jojo, I might give the copy /b thing a shot.

found these examples...

Method 1

type "C:\folder1\file1.txt" "C:\folder2\file2.txt" > output.txt

Method 2

copy "C:\folder1\file1.txt"+"C:\folder2\file2.txt" output.txt
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Thnx jojo, I might give the copy /b thing a shot.

found these examples...

Method 1

type "C:\folder1\file1.txt" "C:\folder2\file2.txt" > output.txt

Method 2

copy "C:\folder1\file1.txt"+"C:\folder2\file2.txt" output.txt
In fact, i think copy /b "file1.h265" + "file2.h265" "full.h265" (if h265 video and after demuxing video via mkvextract)
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I know this question is a little off topic for this forum, but it is along the lines of a question jojo54000 asked, several days ago.

I am trying to join 2 parts of a movie, and I can get each part to playback well, after running them thru either tsMuxer, or MKVToolnix, but when I "merge / append" the parts together, either using tsMuxer of MKVToolnix, the 2nd part is out of sync.

I have several movies that are like this, meaning it 2 parts, and I'm not having much luck.

Anybody with a hint, would be welcome.
Most of the time after I join them, I have to end up re-encoding the whole thing to fix the audio and a blip at the join.
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I'm just saying....ok it is sort of starting to show up.. I mean, I can buy 8K TV here in Australia if I wanted to, but where are you going to get 8k footage from...

I doubt that I will test GPU decoding.... I don't use GPU for anything but 4k playback and display for my 4K LG monitor...
Their might be 8K TVs but there still isn't much true 4K content. Even Avengers Endgame's 4K BluRay was a 4K upscale because almost all effects are still done in 2K. Endgame was shot in 4K but most movies are still shot in 2K and upscaled later after effects. Reason the industry even moved so fast to 2K was Avatar from what I heard.

As for GPU decoding, I ran some long tests a while back and it is slightly faster on longer encodes but only when I'm not using my usual GPU filters, when using heavier GPU filters it is slower to decode with GPU.
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